The spicier the better. I'll start to get the ball rolling: MTG, DnD and Warhammer are actually good for the hobby. They get new people started in this hobby and they keep the trend chasers contained and away from the rest of the hobby.Appealing to the normie masses is a necessary evil in order to keep what you love afloat. Even if it comes with the negative baggage of doing so.Generals are good for /tg/.
>>96487291>post truthsResin and metal are actually pretty good material alternatives to plastic.3d printing will one day become the standard. And may even phase out hard plastic as the tech gets better.>generals are good for /tg/.Oh that’s a real one we’re not ready for.
>>96487291>Appealing to the normie masses is a necessary evil in order to keep what you love afloatExcept we don't really require businesses to stay afloat in order to continue our hobbies. There are plenty of free games already, and miniatures manufacturing has become cheap enough that you don't really need to be a big business to do some. Plenty of GW's games have survived decades without GW's interference, for instance.For mine: a huge proportion of RPG players would be better off playing board games. They either don't want the freedom to interact with the game world however they want that a GM provides, or just want a loosely structured storytelling framework.
>/tg/ related truths that /tg/ isn't ready to comprehend yetyou shouldnt be posting here if you havent at least read the books. they're free online, its really not a high expectation>>96487291good how? any new person who joins has to join somewhere by definition, and the biggest thing is generally the most accessible regardless of what it actually is. So again, how are they good? MTG and WH suck ass and are prohibitively expensive which are both handicaps to getting new people in, not advantages. they're bad things kept alive by size and inertia. they perform a function that is good, but they do it badly and should be replaced.>>96487337>Resin and metal are actually pretty good material alternatives to plasticuntil you have to glue them, paint them, carry them, be exposed to their chemicals or leave them in a hot car
>>96487291>MTG, DnD and Warhammer are actually good for the hobby.Negative attention is better than no attention. That's why /tg/ is filled with contrarions. D&D is a fine game, whatever.>Appealing to the normie masses is a necessary evil in order to keep what you love afloat. We are normies. None of us is special. The need to believe yourself special is... well, see above.
>>96487291DND isn't bad because it's a bad game, it's bad because it does absolutely nothing to teach game masters how to game master. That alone makes it a god awful patient zero for the hobby.
>>96487425>until you have to glue them, paint them, carry them, be exposed to their chemicals or leave them in a hot carAnon you just posted what the kids say "a self own." Gluing resin and metal isn't a big deal. >Carry themYou just admitted to lacking the strength to carry a box of metals. Be thankful a username isn't attached to your posts in these parts of the net.>be exposed to their chemicalsWashing resin and metal isn't a big deal. >leave them in a hot carA hot car will melt even hard plastic.
>>96487291>Appealing to the normie masses is a necessary
>>96488817do you actually believe that?Do you sincerely think that you could start doing something with your bro and eventually women will come desperate for your attention?
>>96487291D&D is kind of a terrible starter game but I guess so
>>96487291While monetizing everything can go and often does go too far, it's not wrong for people making these niche games to want to make a buck by doing something they enjoy.There's no one-size-fits-all way to play or run RPGs, and trying to find one is folly. Narrative.heavy storygames and lethal dungein crawls are both obviously real and tre RPGs, they're both fine as long as they fit a given group's tastes, and spending time and energy arguing about what real RPGs are about is silly. Not literally everything is political even in the current year. If you're the first one that starts talking about politics in a given discussion, then the problem isn't the other side making you think about politics, it's you.
>>96488817If your point of posting that pic was to show you are retarded nogames you succeeded.
Changing the dice your RPG uses doesn't make it better than D&D.
>>96487291>generals are good for /tg/This is common knowledge though. They mitigate the amount of slide threads are made and keep the autism mostly contained. This place would be worse without them.
>>96487544>Gluing resin and metal isn't a big deal.Until you have to pin a lead gun barrel or fix a broken part, then yeah its a big deal, and plastic cement doesnt work on either material so you have to deal with superglue>>Carry them>You just admitted to lacking the strength I can lift 200 lead minis. But i dont WANT to. Its not a flex to carry around that much weight, its just inconvenient and needless>Washing resin and metal isn't a big deal.You know what is? Breathing the fumes from a printer or the dust from sanding it. Modern life has enough ways of giving me lung cancer and i dont need more>A hot car will melt even hard plastic.Yes, but resins soften at lower temperatures, so your spears will warp sooner and worse than on a plastic mini
>>96490154Okay I see now. I assume most people here are retards but your explanations made your post make more sense now.
>>96487291>They get new people started in this hobby and they keep the trend chasers contained and away from the rest of the hobby.If these people are so awful that they need to be contained away from us how is it a good thing that they're coming into the hobby?
>>96490575They’re retard nets that act as filters. The problematics stay in the net and those that would be good for the hobby go through the net. I think that’s what op is getting at.
>>96487291thank you for your wisdom guru
>>96487291>MTG, DnD and Warhammer are actually good for the hobby. They get new people started in this hobby and they keep the trend chasers contained and away from the rest of the hobby.By forcing people to be funneled through the hobby via paypiggy oriented games (especially MtG and 40k) you ensure that they will be sunk cost locked into playing only those games primarily, if they ever break out. Most won't. Many more will be faced with the unwashed paypiggy masses, as well as the trend chasers, collectors, secondary market scalpers, power gamers, plebbitor faggots, and all the rest of the worst the hobby has to offer, hate the time they wasted interacting with those people and their communities, and never return, believing the hobby has nothing else to offer them. And who can blame them when the largest, most successful, most popular, most well-known games in the hobby are filled with subhuman cretins, retards, faggots, and paypigs?The games themselves are varying degrees of fine and acceptable, but it is a truly awful thing that the gates into this hobby territory direct people right into some of the worst communities that will misguided, poorly teach, and frustrate most new arrivals.
>>96487291>Generals are good for /tg/.That's the case for all the boards, really. Or you get /b/ (/pol/) shit on them which is entirely off topic. You can see this on /v/: Actual fucking discussion (bar a few generals) is on /vg/ or /vr/ and never on /v/.
>>96487291The lore is just made up to make you buy models. IT ISNT REAL AND YOU ARE WASTING YOUR LIFE MEMORISING AND ARGUING ABOUT IT.
>>96491913>fiction isn't realWow, what a revelation.
>>96487337>3d printing will one day become the standard. And may even phase out hard plastic as the tech gets better.Currently it's just not the case as the material is way too fucking breakable even on the most flexible or tough resins. You ship it, you'll get breakages, no matter how much you try against or how sturdy the model is. Much of the problem has to do with couriers being morons as well, of course.The other problem is scalability. Making 10000 cast/injection plastic minis is much more affordable and scaleable than making 10000 3d printed minis, which requires much more human hands and input along that way. It's a much less automated process as every single models requires a significant amount of post processing work from print. It's why 3D printing is currently not a thing in the retail market and probably won't be until the process requires considerably less post processing steps from built plate to packaging.
>>96491913I halfway agree because I feel like the lore/canon is like a guideline or suggestion, and people who sperg out over a minor detail being wrong are annoying as fuckWould love to run Dark Heresy because I like the system but my prospective players are all giant lore spergs so maybe not
>>96487457>We are normies. None of us is special.Do not think this as a 4chan browser. You unironically think differently if you use this website over any of the mainstream social medias regardless of the reason.
>>96488817>comic made by /v/tards who don't realize the tl;dr is "Marketing did it"Yeah good point
>>96487291Lore shouldn't have to be completely concise or even consistent to appease the autists. People don't agree about the significance of stuff that's going on today(which recent president is responsible for the impending Great Recession II etc) and tons of websites from the 90's/00's are gone forever. So imagine how much disagreement and lost information there'd be about stuff that happened centuries or millennia ago.
>>96492545I'd honestly want more of them to get into it just to keep them off crime
>>96487396>a huge proportion of RPG players would be better off playing board games. They either don't want the freedom to interact with the game world however they want that a GM provides, or just want a loosely structured storytelling framework.God damn, this is so true. People will often balk and screech at you when you point this or something similar out, too, and accuse you of being a "storyshitter" or a theater kid or some other description that's meant to be insulting. I don't say any of this with ego, I truly don't have emotions about some anonymous person saying something like this to me on the internet. I wholeheartedly believe you are correct, and that they would be better of playing board games. Maybe something like Gloomhaven or HeroQuest. I don't even dislike those games, either, that's not a put-down, it's not me saying "heh, I'm the patrician RPG player, and you're the plebeian board gamer." I also like board games. I just know a lot of people approach RPGs like board games, and as a result, end up playing what turns out to be a pretty mediocre game for most involved.
>>96492794Classic RPGs have a skirmish game origin generally, so are pretty combat heavy to this day.
>>96492806The issue is not with combat, but an entire approach to how RPGs are played. Thinking and acting strictly within predefined rules, for example.It's why Dungeon Crawl Classics has the "Mighty Deed." It's bigger than the rule itself. Combined with the dice chain and the frequent encouragement for the GM to interpret things dynamically, it opens people up to an entirely different way of playing the game if all they've over known is grid-based tactics games with a layer of roleplaying over top of them.
