How can jump chain be fixed, to compete with the other mulicross fic formats?

>>96494645
Start by identifying what pros they offer that jumpchain doesn't and see if there's a way to design a similar feature/mechanic that could be added as part of a supplement?

>>96494670
>Need to write ten years of story before you get to the crossover part
>If your MC isn't retarded they get way too overpowered to write a good story very quickly

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What did you do in Bleach?

>>96494740
Trained for 2000 years in the Dangai and became god

>>96494740
Help the Quincy achieve true peace and save their race

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>>96494645
There's no saving it -- we need to pull it out by the roots

>>96494774
Still waiting on your Jumpchain 2.0, Generic.

>>96494715
Kinda wanna see the anon who spends 20 jumps in super low-power/mundane settings and still basically steamrolls their way through something that should've had a bit of challenge mostly because jumper has too many common resources or a bunch of experience to back up only barely useful perks relative to what was on offer from the jump that attempted to escalate.

>>96494828
No, that's retarded.

>>96494740
Hung out in a pocket realm since the world(s) proper is so shoddy it would instantly tear apart if I were to enter it.

>>96494645
AI integration so you can have actual interactive adventures in those worlds with your builds instead of being left to just imagine it all.

Haven't heard from Blade in awhile.

>>96494828
desu if you pick a random list of 20 low-power I'd think there's decent odds you'll find a few strong perks or perk combos that put you far beyond the tier of jumps you've been jumping.
>>96494842
jumps usually give you enough power be relevant in the setting they are for. A bunch of low power jumps would have stuff stack with the local setting and making you strong in it.

give a list of low power jumps if you want

>>96494923
>jumps usually give you enough power be relevant in the setting they are for.
More accurately they give you relevance at the scale of the story/premise of the source material. A jump for a slice-of-life generally won't have perks for being a mover and shaker in the world.

>>96494887
Ngl, While I want to say what I would do and how people would react, I know they would most likely not react in those ways. I would like realistic outcomes.
>>96494740
Took over hollow land and changed them into a new type of undead.

>>96494897
He's being impaled on futa cock as we speak. He also said he'd be back when he's good and ready

>>96494645
The format was never really meant to be a 'fic' prompt. It only helps to make short stories at best and discussion around daydreaming. But you can't really make a story that by default spans at least 10 years per chapter and the MC gets exponentially stronger.

>>96494645
What >>96495192 said. Jumpchain is a masturbation aid, not a writing prompt.

>>96495192
>>96495207
Just going to ignore the original suggested street level power limit for perks so jumpers would have to interact with the settings to become stronger, creating narratives.

>>96494887
AI is pretty shit at understanding fictional powers imo
I think because most of the training text is stuff like battle boarding and fanon text

I'm bored. Tell me about your jumper and give me a picture (portrait if planeswalker, landscape otherwise) and I'll make you an mtg card.

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>>96495648
His whole deal is that he's an incredibly OP shota with Nobara from JJK as his sidekick

>>96495719
Sounds like Gohan.

>>96494645
I don't think it should be fixed to be like something else. Jumpchain is Jumpchain. it's fine for what it is.

>>96495648
>Not using AI to generate pictures
man, I keep putting it off but I need to learn how to use AI writing tools

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>>96495648
I'm just a simple man who collects artifacts with my loyal team

>>96495443
One of the first jumps included, among others:
>Forgotten Realm in epic levels
>Being a Green Lantern in DC
>Being a fused Digimon with a Demon Lord key

It was never really street level.

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>>96495719
What kind of powers you got?

>>96495897
Hows this work for you?

>>96494740
Deep dive into fucking around with the metaphysical underpinnings of the local reality. It's flimsy enough that you can easily get a look at that stuff unlike more stable worlds.

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>>96496068
This works amazingly, thank you so much my dear anon.

>>96495969
You've misunderstood me, I'm not saying people didn't start ignoring the original intent pretty quickly.

The idea jumpchain was always meant to be pure power wank (what was originally claimed) is clearly wrong though, otherwise quicksilver wouldn't have suggested limited power in jumps

>>96496068
>What kind of powers you got?
Six Eyes Limitless
Ultimate Lifeform from JoJo
DMC Dante + Vergil powers
Basically every Devil Fruit from One Piece
Power of Domination+ Vampirism from Aria of Sorrow
Oblivion Devil from Chainsaw Man (makes stuff just not exist anymore)

Jumpchain was better when Exalted was still banned.

I SENSE the EMERGENCE of my BRETHREN on the BUNKER.

BASED. HATRED is BASED.

>>96496736
This means he noticed the RWBY conversation and decided to crosspost about it

How would you feel about a Psychopomp jump?

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>>96496858
Like, a generic for being a Psychopomp, or is there a specific setting called Psychopomp?

If it's a Generic, then sure. Being a psychopomp sounds fun. Just makes sure to include the Everlight from Spiritfarer

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>>96496858
i would be delighted, but is there enough of a coherent setting for it?

>>96496858
I would GLADLY usher Gohan into the AFTERLIFE, RIDDING the land of the living from his grotesque presence.

>relentless jobber
>never learns from mistakes
>physically incapable of not self-sabotaging at every opportunity
>exorbitant waste of screen time
Cinder is the Gohan of RWBY.
In fact, Gohan has;
>legitimately won a fight (even if it was only the one and he had help)
>expressed love for something other than himself (by having a daughter)
>contributed something of value to the world in which he lives (by revolutionizing the scientific understanding of qi)
Cinder has achieved none of these things, meaning that she manages to job even to Gohan.

>>96497117
Hey if you want to have Cinder and Gohan fight to the death then drop the winner in a vat of acid I am all for that.

>>96497117
the Gohan of RWBY isn't anyone, because RWBY is a new and fascinating kind of dogshit and every character manages to be worse then Gohan in their own special way.

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>>96496858
You mean that dungeon crawler with the crazy gal?

>>96497188
There were two characters in the entire show who managed to be not shit all the way from their introductions to their deaths, and those were Roman Torchwick and Arthur Watts.
Sienna Khan would also count, except that she had all of 30 seconds of screen time and doesn't qualify as a character.

>>96497219
I think Roman Torchwick actually lived, he just escaped the show. He knew it was shitty and going down hill fast so he faked his death.

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[Magic the Gathering: Duskmourn - House of Horror redux]

>Previously: https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96461412/#96478223

She saw it all coming, of course. Her power to shape fate is supposed to be limited in scope beyond her own destiny, aligned with small scale events, but it is impossible not to notice my arrival bending all outcomes around itself like an event horizon swallowing up a solar system. Oh, how she tugged and twisted at the possibilities, trying fruitlessly to stop what she perceived as a nightmare.

But I myself am born of Fate, thrice over. Once from the Norns, once by the grace of Samsara, and once from Ananke.

All she accomplished was obtaining my interest. Itself a greater feat than she could accomplish. I watched her dimly grasp at the impenetrable barrier of a compleated timeline. Stayed my hand as she tracked my path of conquest through a more easily observed target's fate: Avacyn. She watched Avacyn drive the Eldrazi with spear of light and flail of flame into a gaping singularity of the Deep. She saw the angel weep as she overlooked entire planes roaring to senescence as they found themselves endowed with machine-god bodies, even as she herself spread oil across worlds yet to have their own Planeswarden grafted into existence.

She was with Avacyn as she hovered lonesomely over a still, biomechanical multiverse. Burdened with the certain knowledge this truly was all for the best.

When I finally made contact with her, she begs me over and over to consider alternatives. She promises to devote herself to my vision of perfection if I do nothing further to revert Phyrexia after, bereft of it's master, it is consumed for Weatherlight fuel. She asks me why I saved the angel only to scour the world.

To her surprise, I agree. I tell her that all she has seen is but one solution, and I am willing to consider another before enacting THE solution across all possibilities.

1/5

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>>96497472
That's why she's here now, on the strange and savage plane known as Tarkir, watching an errant example of why I acted against the meaningless cycles of suffering in this world. Avacyn's comforting hand a silent promise of protection on her shoulder that she returns, the wounded comforting the wounded while around them monsters (and a bunch of squirrels) bay for blood.

"I'm destined to be trapped in the Meditation Realm" she explained to the others, "so I can't follow you in. I'll deal with Sarkhan and the other walkers"

"Very well" said Avacyn. "Valgavoth. You will ensure no harm comes to her, and reinforce her designs. Deeznuts will run interference with the clans, de-escalating them". The "agent" nodded, threw down a smoke bomb, and suddenly an empty trenchcoat was flopping to the ground while there was rustling in the grass, in every direction.

Don't think about it, she mouthed at the visibly confused angel.

"A sound stratagem!" exclaimed the demon, rubbing his forelimbs together eagerly. "This one has a gift for weaving both cocoons and possibilities! She was a most worthy adversary, I cannot even BEGIN to imagine what she must be like as an ally..."

"Can you just focus on the mission?" she protested. "Yes, yes, of course, my little ones are tracking the dragons as we speak" chuckled the demon, eerily in tune with her as both of them cast out their abilities. It appals her how in synch they are, the demon's flagrant aura of fear and worst case scenarios providing as a camouflage and a causal for her more subtle machination. Spooky and calamitous (yet broadly positive) outcomes reached out to shape events in Tarkir, giving her room to provide more finesse.

"As for you, Shry, you're with me" ordered Avacyn.

"Ah, of course. To counterspell the counterspeller?" teased the plane-eating horror of the team. Avacyn stared daggers at her. "That, and because I trust you less than Valgavoth"

2/5

>>96497476
Two major possibilities unfurled before her, as the Elder Dragons reeled against nightmares of defeat by humanoids again and cellarspawn feted the clan leaders with promises of untold power from beyond their world. In the first, they cut off the serpent's head. Thwarted the planeswalker at the epicentre of all this, bound him, stilled him with words of power-and brought him low. Leaving his pursuers and former friends into confused conflict towards the Mediation Realm's crisis.

"I really do admire your work, you know" said Valgavoth, twitching with anticipation. "Your power is unprecedented. Unprecedented! For all our foes' might, they have nothing to countermand such elegant manipulation"

In the second, they dealt with the pursuers one by one. Convincing, disarming, banishing. And in exchange, they risked Sarkhan and Taigam succeeding in their quest to turn Sarkhan into a sentient Dragonstorm-spewing forth parodies of dragons on every plane.

"...so erm, whenever you're ready, I AM hoping we can cooperate to make something beautiful here" babbled the demon.

They weren't the only solutions. But the others involved either letting Jace's meddling go unabated, or letting one of the demons subsume more of this plane with their essence. Neither was palatable.

"Narset knows the most about what is at stake. We start with her" she said. "Ah yes, the weak link" breathed Valgavoth.

A trivial distraction. A stampede of hatchlings cut off Narset from her compatriots, allowing Valgavoth to weave a vision around her: A vision in which they had time to explain the fullness of what was at stake.

Ajani was next. His spell nullification would have been problematic head-on, but evading head-on problems was Aminatou's gift. He was lured off the beaten path shortly after rescuing Narset and being troubled by her exclamations, where a pool of visions conjured by Valgavoth showed him how far Sarkhan had fallen.

3/5

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>>96497477
That left Elspeth. Against the demon's protests that as the most dangerous of the trio, she should have been corrupted, Aminatou insisted she at least meet in good faith with the company now they were heatedly debating what they had just seen. She explained her cause, entreated their aid in stopping Sarkhan, made clear Jace had no part in this-and omitted the demon's presence, lurking at the edges of their conspiracy.

Elspeth was taken aback enough by the whole debacle without having to account for an actual redeemed demon, and unwilling to overlook an earnest little girl with fate powers quickly agreed to prepare instead of charging ahead.

"ON ALL LEVELS EXCEPT THE PHYSICAL" Sarkhan was screaming into the Blind Eternities, "I AM A DRAGON. EVERYONE WILL HAVE DRAGONS IN THEIR BACKYARD, AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY!"

"Sarkhan, you have to stop this madness!" shouted Aminatou as the outraged Planeswalker swatted at the other free with winds of dragon-infused tempestuous magic. A few causal strings snapped were all it took to unravel the storm-while Valgavoth webbed Taigam to the ground,prone. "You are not a real dragon! You have no wings, you have no fiery breath, you don't even lay eggs! You are a living time paradox twisted by uncontrollable mana into a parody of draconic perfection!"

"NEVER!!!" he bellowed, forcing wide the Omenpaths with all the dragon energy at his disposal-which also made nudging his fate harder, much harder. The raw magical power she was unravelling simply churned onwards like a tide beating back a sand castle, and yet she scribbled away desperately.

Valgavoth cleared his throat. "AHEM. Planar Expansion: Predatory Cocoon Estate!"

And suddenly, strands of silk and floorboards were erupting from him, in all directions, forming a rickshaw pocket reality around the surprised Sarkhan that looked like Escher had drawn a Scooby Doo episode.

4/5

>>96497483
The very spirit of an entire plane's era! Summoned and manifested in a different plane like a Planeswalker's minion! For a minute, the rage of Sarkhan beat back the Planar Expansion in a stalemate.

Then suddenly he stopped. In the blink of an eye, Sarkhan found himself in Tarkir as he'd always imagined it: A noble land ruled by noble dragons, himself counted as one of them. His broodmates cheered on his flashy flight path, and Atarka herself acknowledged his strength. And so, Sarkhan just...let go.

"I didn't even know magic was possible" confessed Aminatou, later. "You...you changed the future. You saved this plane"

"You do yourself a disservice, girl!" chortled Valgavoth. "Manifesting a dream of that calibre required GREAT concentration, one only made possible by your causal interference. As I divined, we make a GREAT team!"

"We do" she finally acknowledged. "Thank you. I couldn't have saved this plane without you. I...didn't think you'd actually try"

Valgavoth sighed. "I understand your mistrust. I certainly can't deny taking wicked glee in" he said, waving a hand vaguely at the both the brood leaders and clan chiefs running around screaming as their own incarnate fears forcibly united them in desperation "the methods I use here"

"Do you really think it's possible to use evil methods for good, Valgavoth? There were other ways. Less risky ways. To resolve this"

"You could have stopped their hearts, with how you control fate"

"I don't deal in certainties, you know. I just...steer things. It's fun. It prevents me from overreaching"

"Ah, but you steer them with such adroit skill you can take a Spark before it's time! Can good come out of evil? All I can say is however bent and crooked the path to get there, I'm game to try. Just look at those fated outcomes of yours"

Aminatou thought about the inevitable future I represented, and my promise to her of a new outcome, and she smiled. "That, I can't deny"

5/5

>>96497117
> legitimately won a fight
Cinder beat Pyrrha and Ozpin

I've actually finished a playthrough a Cyberpunk for once, so work on the jump we'll begin in earnest-earnest tomorrow.
For now, throw any suggestions or requests at me other than companions.

>>96497700
Trauma Team life coverage of varying tiers. A ticket to the moon. Your own corp (this will probably be the most expensive thing in the jump).

>>96497700
I would like an Anime Bullshit tier Sandy.

>>96497771
That's canonically just the normal max-upgraded Sandy, if anything David merely had a shitty prototype. Hell they updated Adam Smasher to give him anime-tier Sandy moves, and you can still outskill him.

>>96497780
I know that the Apogee in game is apparently only a bit slower than the Anime one but it is slower isn't it?

>>96497472
Hey Shard, if you absolutely had to make an SMT Jump which would you choose?

>>96497822
Easy, Strange Journey. Good thing I'm not, though.

>>96497729
>>96497771
Added to notes.

>>96497876
Tell me more. What that game? What draws you to it?

>>96496858
There's nowhere near enough of a detailed setting for it.

>>96497700
Dystopian cartoons telling you to trust the corpos.
Extensive cybernetics section.
Fancy car.
Perk for being very lucky (How did V survive shortly before the start of the game?)
Talking gun.
Tech perks to build the bullshit here.

>>96497990
>What that game
Big-ass fucky-wucky stack of hell dimensions named the Schwarzwelt pops up in the Antarctica; looks like a black hole from the outside. You play a not!space marine sent in with some other professional technical folk in to deal with it. Everyone gets pushed to the brink of their endurance and sanity. You either stop the primal mother goddess Mem Aleph from using her cosmic egg to remake reality into a paradise for demons after she bested the “God of Law”, or help her accomplish it. It also had, until DeSu 1, easily the most nuanced Law/Chaos/Neutral reps in the game.

Then Strange Journey Deep came along and ruined it. Well, mostly ruined it. It unambiguously made the Law route even better and put some more thought into Neutral, making it a tad bleaker but not in a way I mind. On the other hand it “solved” Chaos with a complete nothing of a solution.

It also mainly revolves around your bratty little shit of a future daughter who has a multiple choice past based on which route you go for, reveals the God of Law for this world is actually Shekinah not YHWH, and FORCES YOU TO NOT KILL A DECEITFUL LITTLE SHIT NAMED DEMETER WHO IS AN AWFUL LITTLE TWO-FACED ASSCUNT THE DEVELOPERS THINK IS EITHER ADORABLE, MARKETABLE OR BOTH. For FUCK’S sake she’s literally worse than Mastema because at least he revels in his true colors when he’s winning whereas she’s still giong “Harvest! HARVEST!” like a fucking pokemon.

>>96498177
>It also mainly revolves around your bratty little shit of a future daughter
We fuck Lucifer?

>>96498201
…shit I actually forgot if you did. At the very least Space Marine is definitely looking at a suspicious locket in Deep’s Neutral ending, but on second thought I don’t think it’s explicit. Okay, so she’s definitely a time traveler trying to prevent the bleakness of the other endings and MAYBE your daughter.

>>96498254
I hope she's not my daughter, that would make seducing her awkward.

>>96498254
How would you lay out a jump for it? I assume Law/Neutral/Chaos and then maybe Human/Demon? Where does alex/bratty time travel daughter fall into that?

>>96498295
>Law/Neutral/Chaos
>Human/Demon
For the first half, funnily enough a fella called Wild Card had a WIP for the jump on pastebin. It has pretty much everything I would expect in terms of perklines sorted into those categories.

Alex would either be a general perk or a scenario. My gut would lean towards scenario since the whole premise of SJ Deep is that she is intruding on the base plot to try to change the future.

You will not gaslight me into making the jump, I have become very efficient at suppressing my jumpmaker’s will

>>96498311
No, like, where does being the bratty kid from the future fall originwise? Not having to deal with it, having that be your deal.

I don’t suppose you have that wip?

I’m not trying to gaslight you by talking about origins, I’m hoping to gaslight you by posting an aggressively mid wip and having you fly into a rage and wanting to fix it. For real though, we need more smt jumps.

>>96498319
>originwise
Let me be more clear, I don’t think there’s enough on her in the game to be confined to a specific origin. In a way the whole point of her existence is to challenge the default origins.

>wip?
Unfortunately it’s been deleted, from memory I think Zelenin’s song, Jimenez’s being able to fuse with your buddies and Gore’s HFY undyingness were all capstones.

Nice try. It was a pretty decent WIP, from what I remember.

>>96496121
He didn’t even understand his own idea, considering that the Pokemon CYOA started with Master Balls to capture legendaries and a time travel power.
And later he made a jump to also be a Pokemon, including the dragon ones that get some crazy attacks.

>>96498177
Mastema also has much more fun personality.

>>96498177
I appreciate Redux for resisting the impulse to have sex with Neutral that plagues many SMT titles.

>>96498616
That I’ll concede is easily Redux’s greatest feat of narrative integrity. Redux is kind of amazing. There are parts of it (New Law, New Neutral) that feel like they’re written by passionate fans of the original story and parts of it (DEMETER) that feel like they’re written by an out of touch Japanese company both desperately trying to stay hip with the kids, and also commandeered by some asshat who really wants to shove his insufferable OC in everyone’s faces.

>>96494439
Is the Futadom world Jump maker here? I wanna ask a question

>>96499110
officially, no.
go to /trash/ or the bunker.
you are unlikely to be able to ask relevant questions about a fetish jump on a blue board anyway.

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>>96496858
Vena a cute, but it would probably need to be a gauntlet or wait for the sequel.

>>96499156
What do you mean, I've talked to him here a few times already

>>96497188
Rwby is so Gohan that the series itself is the series Gohan

>>96497786
Didn't they update the game so it was closer to the anime? Plus giving Adam Smasher one for his fight.

>>96499110
Futadom World the reddit jump, or World of Futadom the QQ jump?

>>96499110
Sure, shoot.

>>96499953
The QQ one

>>96500089
Nice, I wanted to know if you'd seen this cyoa and would it a good template for the Futa country origin https://casablanc.neocities.org/futanari-revolution/ and would you accept others making a companion or two