Wait a minute, so if "the Old World" is set centuries before Warhammer Fantasy Battles has black Empire troops, female Bretonnian Knights and Dwarf Warriors, does this mean some horrific regression happened by the time of Karl Franz???Seriously how would they address this?
>>96495893I know your memeing but the most I can think is black troops can just be some people immigrated from araby a long time ago, dwarf female warriors were a thing but overtime there have been less females birthed, and I think bretonia doesn't really have anything that says a woman can't be a knight
>>96495926If there was a logical explanation that'd be great. Unfortunately there's no such thing. The suits just got together with the danger hairs and wanted the setting to look like the DEI hired version of an American metropolis.
>>96496042This is what I get for replying to meme posts
>>96495893>Seriously how would they address this?by telling you that in Kral Fanz times, there have always been black and asian empire troops, female bretonnian knights and female dwarf warriors and ignoring any outcry by grogs who claim otherwise.
>>96496042>2020s BMWAt least pick a good model
>>96496042Truth nuke but this is /TroonGoyim/
>>96495893>Seriously how would they address this?I don't know, man. I'm still playing Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4e.
>>96495893They arent going to address it. They'll leave it hanging in the air like a fart in an elevator. Daring people to argue against it for virtue points in owning the chuds. Seriously, we all know why they're doing it. They'll whine that you're bringing the real world into games when they did it first because you are a pleb and they own the IP. The people that did it probably dont hate you. The people that pushed them to do it definitely do.
>>96495926>and I think bretonnia doesn't really have anything that says a woman can't be a knightPretty sure there is. In the previous editions it was outright stated that some women crossdress as male knights because it's the only way to escape the harshly enforced gender roles in Bretonnia, and depicted it as a good asset for roleplaying.>>96496546I enjoy 4e overall, but it does get silly in a similar way. For instance, I was reading Sea of claws and had a laugh when I saw a scenario involving an ostlander man in port and his sailor wife, treating the whole thing like a completely normal occurrence. Like how does that work in practice? Wife goes out to sea for months pushing barrels and pulling ropes while the husband stays at home sewing? What, does the couple of commoners in pre-modern times just decide that they're not having kids, or does the wife just pop them and hand them to the husband before returning to sea? Are we meant to assume that the undoubtedly majorly male crews of illiterate, unwashed sea dogs all had sensitivity training and behave like gentlemen towards the women sleeping next to them during their weeks/months-long dry spells?One thing that most people will quickly catch on when it comes to these products is that the writers in them seem to work on the assumption that everything works on 20th-21st century Earth standards.
>>96495893Blood on the Reik already set precedent for their being black and brown people in the Empire. Female dwarfs in battle have popped up here and there for a long while.
>>96496844Warhammer world humans are not Earth humans. They are all soaked through with magic and mutation. Women in Warhammer can hold their own against men.
>>96495893I'm pretty sure that women cross-dressing to become a knight isn't new for Bretonnian fluff? They'll simply never get the blessing of the Lady since she can see through their disguises and doesn't approve.
>>96495893>Horrific
>>96497194Or maybe they get the blessing of the Lady if they have nice big titties.
>>96497038>Women in Warhammer can hold their own against men.Fuck off with your revisionist nonsense.
>>96497262So his source is your brain.
>>96496479404 truth or thoughts not found in that post
>>96495893Because it's done by people who doesn't know any better, who thinks in real-world political terms instead of in-universe realities. Of the three thigns you've mentionned, none exists in my Warhammer.>Blacks don't exists anywhere, so they have no reason to be. Pigmeys exists in Warhammer, but they're not looking like that at all.>Female Bretonnian knights used ot be unique and intresting to RP, now they are the .Warhammer female Warrior Archetype' over a class from the more 'equal' Empire.>Female Dwarf warriors can be found in the deep the Karaks or hidden in Dwarf Communities in the Empire, but certainly not allowed to roam about freely getting in danger. Even less taking the Slayer Oath.>>96496844Have you read the Horned Rat? such a horrible mess, it seems they were more busy putting down clever puns and inside jokes than actually doing somehting good. And everytime there's a problem, it's either go see the half nosed Dwarf or there some woman who comes out of nowhere and brings them the solution on a silver platter.Also, lesbian-allured female general and priestess, because of course. Even the skaven's henchWOMAN is super competent and is a strong leader type. The Princess is suddenly now a clever politican, trying to do more, despite being referted to a political tool in a wedding come next book.Talk about removing my sense of disbelief! The art didn't help, but those characters, those plot lines..
>>96497025You'll note that the southlanders in Blood on the Reik come from a specific culture and have their own style of clothing. They're not just Hans Schmidt from Dunkeldorf who is inexplicably black.>>96497980I'm running THR now and it's fine. I don't remember any deus ex machina stuff. The lesbian general doesn't ever come up. It's not even explicitly stated, you have to read between the lines. Funny thing is that they glossed over Janna Eberhauer and she's been a lesbian since PBtT came out in the 80s.They didn't have the balls to keep the line about the princess being a 'truly dumb blonde' but honestly if she stayed that way she'd be a very boring NPC.
>>96496844Female warriors are stupid enough in the 21st century, but it's completely ridiculous in pre-industrial levels of infant mortality, which are likely to be even higher in a crapsack setting like Warhammer. Problem is that modern RPG writers seem to be hacks who don't really know anything and have no real interest in history etc.
>>96495926Brettonia being insanely sexist and Dwarves coveting their rare women like treasure is very well-established lore anon
>>96498589>Brettonia being insanely sexistWell, GW clearly wanted to retcon as we can't have a good guy faction being bigoted in any way. but kept the fact only women could be magic users in Brettonia and probably with Kislev when we get a new army list for them down the line in TOW
>>96496042That picture genuinely makes no fucking sense.
>>96498649Thing is, everyone is gonna shut down any criticism about this if people approach it with the American culture war retardation of "they made it le woke". What you should actually criticize it for is "why would you want representation in a faction that treat their peasants like garbage to the point that they're always starving and all the other factions make fun of them for it".
>>96496042...but warhammer fantasy has motor vehicles?
>>96498736I mean, don't modern women basically just live in a Bretonnian society anyway? Knights are Chads, peasants are simps - do you see many women respecting the heckin' poor simperinos anon? No wonder they want to "see themselves" in a faction like Bretonnia.
>>96496042I love that image so much. It calls out the bulkshit logic so beautifully.
>>96498996So you should be fine to plop down a 2021 BMW with heated seats, right?
>>96496052There's no meme. It's full of africans to push a message. There's never been any africans in any of the books in 20 years of warhammer lore up until a few years ago.The only one memeing here is you.
>>96496479It's crazy how this board's been infected by troons and fags since DnD became gay
>>96499063They showed up in Blood on the Reik artbook as one person mentioned, and also in some really old Warhammer novels from the 80s, that mentioned some Southlands kingdoms like the Songhai, which is just an early modern West African empire
>>96499062Come on bro it's just a came bro haha lol who cares it's just a game bro just have fun man come on lmao
>>96499081Yeah, as africans. Not as a replacement for europeans.
>>96499062No, but colonial armies aren't some modern structure. I'm sure the WWII axis has a very special place in your heart. You understand Italians used locals from the African colonies they had in their local armies.
>>96499081Can you imagine them depicting a black character with tribal scarification? They don't have the balls. It's depressing, actually. They don't dare depict black people as being primitive, but that's what their precolonial culture is. So they have to present them as cultureless insertions with no distinguishing elements other than hairstyle.
>>96499245They sort of did that with some of Warcry Warbands, which had some African tribal aesthetics, but it's easier to get away with that by saying their Chaos cultists and having multiple different skin tones on the official paint job
>>96499245It's so weird, really: they want to be politically correct and not portray them in an 'offensive' way, but all I can think of when they 'put the African in the European armour, speaking only English' is how people native to wherever went to Europe/became slaves, and then had to get their Christian names. Like how Pocahontas became Rebecca Wolfe.I mean it shouldn't be too hard for them to just do like Marvel's Black Panther and make everything look traditional African-esque, but sci-fi or something like that.
>>96498722It's something realismtards throw out when they are faced with the idea of fantasy. A concept they understand just as much as history: little to none.
>>96498549>t. stupid nogames who know nothing.
>>96498722It makes perfect sense. Genres have conventions and suspension of disbelief is not infinite. If you're going to insist on putting stuff into a setting/game that's wildly, comically at odds with the genre's conventions, contrary to existing fluff for that IP, and just generally irrational if you think about it reasonably for even a moment, and further that anyone who objects to you doing this is some hidebound stuck-in-the-past old man yelling at clouds or whatever, then what you're basically arguing is that none of that stuff matters and anything goes "because it's fantasy".And if nothing matters and anything goes, then I insist that I be allowed to be borne into battle by my trusty steed: a 2021 BMW 5 Series 530i with optional heated seating.
>>96495893Honestly, I don't know. It makes only sense IF it's like the Southern parts of the Empire. I do remember a story where a noble of Middenland was married to an Araby woman, it was very old novel. Hammers of Ulric iirc.
>>96495893By going full Warcraft doublethink retcon mode, "updating" the record on what really happened fully expecting everyone will just swallow it
>>96502168One of the worst, actual retcons, which vexed me the most, is the "lol we have a lot of Steam Tanks. That about only being twelve is just an End Times Rumour".Genuinely got on my nerves.
>Bretonnia>extremely hierarchical society obsessed with everyone being in their place and fulfilling their rigid social roles>except women who can do whatever they wantI'm guessing they didn't retcon the fact that male Bretonnians don't get to be wizards
>>96502376Bretonnia having female knights out of the Open is soo stupid.Only one got tolerated and she wasn't even a legit knight.
>>96496844>For instance, I was reading Sea of claws and had a laugh when I saw a scenario involving an ostlander man in port and his sailor wife, treating the whole thing like a completely normal occurrence. Like how does that work in practice? Wife goes out to sea for months pushing barrels and pulling ropes while the husband stays at home sewing?I don't know, man. I'm not thinking about that. I'm reading that book for quest hooks and mechanics, not to question the details of a Cathayan sorceress and her gay marriage wife. I'm just going to be giving my players big-breasted art off pinterest anyway.
>>96500678Much like yourself, it seems.
>>96504101Nope, you are just dumb.
>>96495926Bretonnia does because they're Bretonnia and they're incredibly repressive about who can and who can't be a knight, except with Repanse.
>>96499089But they're dressed as Arabayans? Also you posted a picture of Pygmies, who are not from the Southlands.
>>96499245Proper African representation requires actual knowledge of its histories and cultures. The boards' DEI initiative has less than a shoestring budget in it.
>>96505173Which goes beyond Egyptian btw.They don't know who Nzambi, Shango or Ogun are, much less know from which mythology is each one, and which one is a God of which
>>96500678Even Fantasy Realms have rules and ineternal logic, else it becomes nothing
>>96495893I don't think it's worth trying to wrap your head into a knot trying to fit it into the lore; just accept that GW put politics over the purity of their IP and try and avoid the woke dick they're trying to "progress" down your throat. Thankfully 3D printing has never been more accessible and WHFB armies are by far the easiest to find decent models for.
Took a detour from making characters and thought of doing some terrian, mostlly a Special terrain to use for that Lone tower mission, maybe add some flavour since it's against a Bretonnian player.Would you go with the arches or no?
>>96506145oops wrong place, my mistake!
>>96495893Good attempt at lamplighting, but black troops have been a thing ever since 2nd edition WHFB. They used to be a contingent in Lustrian Lizard armies, or could even by fielded by themselves. I remember some dude even making a flying pyramid (from the lore about them at the time) so they could have floated across the sea anytime in one of the many lizardman invasions, conqured land, settled down and mixed with the Old World population - it's what happened in the past in the real world.
