Zeta Garmon editionPrevious thread: >>96505471>Legacies: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Thread Question:What is your preferred predator loadout?
AL anons, how do you paint your RoT units? Do you keep them in their original legion colors? Or do you give them an AL look?
>>96513451Assault cannons and flamers with a Decurion up top with another assault cannon, for the great angel!
>>96513451c-beam turret and lasers on the sides and a locus on top!oops all lasers is cool tooa havoc launcher is kino on a predator besidesi have a big soft spot for heavy bolters + standard cannon as wellall the fixings. hk missile, dozer blade, searchlights ideally
Reposting in new breadI bought a Battle Predator today (cannon, grav, volkite, las)I have a lasmaxxed pred and volkitemaxxed pred, what should I do for this one? Macro-saker turret + las sponsons?
>>96513509Maybe a classic pred cannon+HB pred?
>>96513451>play against a typhon>it picks up a squad every time i let it get line of sight>hm, maybe i need a cerberus>wanted one anyway, they're fucking cool>order one, finally gets in after a while (my flgs has the ditziest, most dogshit useless fucking GW rep who fucks things up constantly)>build it up, play my first game with it>does 3 damage to a spartan, blows up, and kills half my armyNo regrets.
>>96513509>>96513518definitely thisessential flavor if you want a bunch of them imo and more wieldy in points cost
>>96513509Doubling down on Grav+heavy flamer+havoc launcher status funbus
>>96513468Why is the Alpha Legionnaire throwing a beyblade at an Alpha Legion dreadnought that they somehow stole from the Custodes?
>TQI'm a simple man; MkIVb, Full Las. Wondering if I should paint up my Phaeton for 40k or Heresy tho.I should buy a Deimos predator. Wouldn't necessarily complete the set though; I still net a MkIVc and an RT predator.
>>96513541That's a meltabomb. And they're just sparring
>>96513571>they're just sparringI think someone forgot to tell Alpharius that
>>96513580That's actually two legionnaires, they're practicing camo. That's what interdiction cadres look like before springing into action
>>96513571The guy's reaching for a meltabomb; do they have melta mines or is that just a different pattern?
>>96513587might be a breaching charge then. I'm fairly certain I've seen that on a model before
>>96513580He's a space marine, he'll walk it off
Doing a batch of ore-i mean bases for my mech. What are y'all working on?
>>96513671I just chopped up a bolter and glued parts to a pintle multimelta because I am insane and may be converting some plastic headhunters
>>96513671bolterman here is being closed out in a first stab at his ilkcrazy happy with them in the wake of this holy moly <3
>>96513679Oof, been there, never doing that again
>>96513703We are performing the valuable service of preserving SOVL in an ever more SOVLLESS game
>>96513451Zeta Garmon you say? I was just watching this todayhttps://youtu.be/6E6J4Wy8iKA?si=BH89M9K2o3hVBWqYSo. Fuckin. Cool>>96513470Based and Angel-pilled. Hail.
>>96513671I should be painting SA for an event in less than 2 weeks, but alas I am working alot and 3D printing terrain instead as a sidequest. I can just tell this is going to be a mad rush 2 days before the event with me calling in sick to work to paint little men, it will be hilarious.
>>96513694What legion is he? Weathering is a bit too heavy imho. Looks like he came out of Mad God
>>96513978eater filth. and that's otherwise high praise in my book!
>>96513978>Looks like he came out of Mad Godrighteous in my book
Anyone seen a PDF of the LI Liber Strategia out in the wild? Any links?
>>96514025I just got mine delivered and I doubt people care enough to even make a scanALSO AT ANON WHERE ARE THESE PICS FROM THE GAME. I WANT TURN BY TURN RECOUNTS
>>96514091He said it got canceled last thread
>>96513521here we go again
Played 2k last nightforgive my unbased models, they arent finished yet.Techmarine hiding behind a kratos is ew.Seekers seems quite bloody goodterrain is shitThis is my 4th game now, 3rd win, not a fan.RG trait is actually kinda ass on most units.
>>96514091Updated unit rosters, new units and improvements to a lot of stuff...people should care enough.
>>96514288That terrain does look like ass. Did you play it as light or medium area terrain?
Predators should come stock with a 6 man transport capacity and no sponsons.Adding sponsons should be free but remove the transport capacity.Change my mind.
>>96514096NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO9OOOOOOOO9OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO9OO
I have 400pts left in my Mechanicum list having filled out everything I actually want in it beyond simply piling up more tanks or scoring characters. What are people's favourite mech units for me to just slot in there, avoiding Lords of War?
>>96514288>Kratos acting as a bunker with LOS to the entire tableNeighbor. I dont understand how grogs sperg out about 10E tables being cluttered and boring and then get mopped by shit like this.
>>96514631Tanks and scoring characters
>>96514578Razorbacks & Immolators haven't been invented yet, soz
>saboteur cant be shot unless you get within 6" of him>and if you are within 6" of him, you need to pass a CL check>he can just move away with a reaction if he wants and be outside 6" againuse the same old tactic of "he has meltabombs, put him near tanks as a threat" still? worked last edition
>>96514823He's more of an "Imma charge your HSS/tacticals and there is nothing you can do about it." kina guy. Or can just stand on an objective with no easy way to get rid of him.
>>96514660More Venators it is. I really quite like the look of that Macrotek apex, but I can never bring myself to bring more than three Krios/Krios Venators in a list with it because having such asymmetrical stats on my otherwise identical tanks annoys me.Shame the Macrocarid is rendered almost completely pointless by being macrotek-locked, it would suit that detachment quite well. I guess I could fill it with Scyllax and a minder Magos, but having none of Cybernetica scoring, Malagra/Myrmidax combat or Macrotek buffs because you can't use their thing inside a transport means that is one of the most wasted Magi possible.I'm still not sure if you're not meant to be able to put Mech units of different Arcana in transports, since the corebook specifies that "Mechanicum" is a faction and then the book doesn't really clarify this despite acting like each Arcana is its own one. FAQ when.
Am I missing something with the Esoterist as opposed to allies? Why would I want to summon daemon brutes along my board edge? Seems like a shit power compared too being to set up normally or deep strikes in?
does a normal SA command squad "fit" as an artillery command squad? they seem a little generic for a specialized role like artillery, unless they're given all the equipment options like in the picturemaybe give them that padding like on the old rapier kits/tank crew?
>>96514996There's nothing forcing you to have the brutes in reserves, having the essoterist gives you the detachments that lets you take 3 of them without having to take a demon HQ for the slotsA marine character with Fear is also useful some timesIt's not amazing but it has some uses
Am I reading this right? When a lone character challenges and the challenge ends, do the rest of the enemy squad just not do anything?? That seems kind of ridiculous. Say a saboteur charges a unit of veterans with a champion as a sgt, challenges the Sgt, and kills the Sgt. Am I reading this correctly that all the other veterans just twiddle their thumbs and can't attack the saboteur?
>>96515082saboteur cant challenge, sergeant cant challenge either
>>96513468It's completely unit dependent. If the unit is basically just some variety of dude with normal weapon option (sunkillers, tyrants, , grey slayers) I paint them in AL colors. If they're something mechanical like a dreadnought variant I paint them in the colors of my allied mechanicum force (because logically the AL would probably turn that tech over to study and maintain). Finally if the unit is more esoteric and specialized (usually melee units like deathshroud or knights Cenobium) I would paint them black and silver to represent omegons side of the legion (who I assume are the guys trusted with actually infiltrating the more challenging positions) or I would keep them in their legion colors if they don't clash with teal.
>>96515105Assume a different character then. And when I specified champion sgt I meant a unit upgraded with the Master Sergeant prime (which confers the ability to accept challenges)
>>96513541Treason is its own reward
>>96514578Sounds like a razorback with extra steps
>>96513468I paint them in their original legion colours. Partly to break up the monotony of painting AL, partly because I like the idea of those units being deep undercover or trying to sow maximum confusion. But mostly to mog the people at the LGS who actually play that legion with a better paint job than they can do.
>>96514288>terrain is shitAgreed, your terrain is shitYou need at least twice as much
>>96515082Yes.But having a whole squad outside the challenge with no opponent gives the challenged model +2 to the focus roll for every 5 models or fraction of them. So the challenger is at a big disadvantage. Even if he wins he gets, what, 2 combat resolution points from killing a sergeant? The enemy unit gets 1 combat resolution just from outnumbering him and another one if they have a vexilla. So neither of them are going anywhere even if the challenger won, which he doesn't really have the advantage against a WS5 3A veteran with +2i desuHe's just going to get dog pilled next roundAnd if you don't want to wait you can just decline the challenge to begin with. It's just going to make your sergeant hit on 5s instead of 4s, and that's barely noticeable when there's a whole unit of veterans around him still at WS5
>>96514182Did I miss the reference?
>>96513521>>does 3 damage to a spartanThat's impressive considering it has D6 weapons
>>96514578Hell yes. I made a Proteus Strike Predator profile with all the rest of my HH 2.5 stuff that was exactly this.
>>9651463140 thrall blob
So what did the Imperium actually do with all their psykers before the heresy? I never hear anything about them other than the SoS gathered them all as part of the tithe. Where did they go after that? Was soul bonding a thing before the emperor's was wounded? I mean it's not like they had to feed him his 1k a day...
>>96515852>feed him his 1k a dayDon't you know it's now 3k per minute?
>>96515852Just sanction them or kill them. Doesn't the Astronomican by itaelf eat psykers daily even without the life support chair?
>>96515852Psykers got rounded up and turned into astropaths or used for other purposes that required a psyker.>Was soul bonding a thing before the emperor's was wounded?Yes.
>>96515867>Astronomican by itaelf eat psykers daily even without the life support chairNot as far as I know. Don't we see them have to do it for the first time in the end and the death?And if they are sanctioned where do they then go? They can't all be astropaths and we never see any in imperial institutions outside of prospero. Do they really just waste all their psykers because they have nothing better to do with them?
>>96515891Astropaths are already where 90% of (non-sacrificed) psykers go in 40k, you need whole choirs of them on each ship and they burn out quick. You could always attach them to the various human armies. Was the IG already a thing back in the Heresy? Obviously the game has the SA, but isn't that supposed to be a more elite force?
>>96515891Psykers were also used for things like the warlord sinister-pattern psi titan.
>>96515963They only made like 20 of those, and they only used the strongest psykers for them. Not really a relevant % of the payker intake
>>96515852A lot of worlds slaughtered their psykers to survive the age of strife they probably just kept that up.
>>96515062The padding is a fine idea, but a sufficient different paint scheme will go a long way. The old resin command kit is a great source of minis for the different tercio leaders
>beep beep*cough* SoS talons reveal when?? they'll totally give the sisters some new stuff right?>beeeeeeeeep
>>965145781.0 preds can forego sponsons.
>>96513587That appears to be a haywire mine.
>>96516268Definitely supposed to be a haywire mine.
>>96516268>>96516278We need more mine laying mechanics. I always loved using Biovores.
>>96515963Psykers are often used to build rudimentary tools like hammers, screwdrivers, and suspension bridges.
>>96513671Robots for a bit of a change up.After this it will be the Acquisitor but that needs a bit of work
>>96516380Remember what they took from you.
>>96516464We need a sabre variant for this
>>96516464God they love using the word castellan
>>96516464I'm gonna steal those missiles as an option for my group. That's badass. We need more ammo wargear for everything. GW are corpo sub-mutants for their creative bankruptcy.
>>96516469FTFY
Which legions wear the serious hat the most?
>>96513509>>96513518>>96513527>>96513536Well that 2 votes for boomerpred and 2 for statusspampred (counting last thread), anyone else want to chime in?
>>96516535Final vote for boomerpred. Every collection should have one
>>96516535Status pred. Total tactical death.
>>96516571>>96516592How about Pred cannon + flamers and havoc? Best of both worlds
fuck I need to drop points to put havoc launchers on all of my tanks because FUCK YOU
Why did GW change the phobos bolter design?
>>96516719Sharp angles are a aggressive and sign of toxic masculinity
>>96516719Dunno but they really seem to hate sharp angles. If you look at a comparison between the old fellblade and the new one it becomes pretty apparent.
>>96516753it's almost like injection molding favors smooth edges by its very nature
>>96516719The Ordo OSHA put new regulations into effect.
can tanks only get status effects via glances? (or shock)or would any weapon with a status effect inflict it, if it hurts the tank?e.g demolisher cannon has stun
>>96516895The former
>>96516895They cant get a status from anything that requires a check. They only get statuses from rules that directly apply the status (shock).
>>96516753>>96516762It possible the molds crack and damage more easily too. That's speculation on my part on output of mechanical products that crack along shape angles like hinges.
>>96513679Post pic I want to try doing that too
>>96513703Kino simple as
>>965158523.0 fucked Sisters list hard, so lazy
>>96516380I wouldn't mine that
>>96516954They also tend to wear along those edges as well, which on a mold would result in gradual softening of the edges on the finished part.
>>96516481Indeed, so awful what they did with Seeker ammo this edition
>>96516719Because NU-GW sucks, they should have ported the designs from plastic to resin like they did with Mechanicum
>>96516742So true, but now I must me too some Sisters of Silence.
>>96516719Product managers and designers want to leave their mark and get their bonuses. It's easier when doing "new" stuff. That's why so many of the HH2+ infantry models has details made to be as different as possible. Ironically, when Maxime Pastourel designed the current 40k DG models he based them in FW's mk3, so now the classic design only exists in 40k
>>96517105They do not leave any mark, they only piss on good design. If it ain't broken do not fix it.Yes notice how plague marines are also classic plastic mk3
>>96517105note also how nuPhobos has no muzzle break holes, those are actually lightening holes/accesory sockets in a shroud over the inner barrel
>>96517137It's a design feature that goes way back.
>>96517211>featuresprue/sculpt design bug or a confusing light angle, Godwyn bolguns are supposed to have muzzle break holes
>>96517318Or, you know, it's suppose to be a hole and it was just easier to fill the cylinder with another cylinder in CAD.
>>96517405if only people that talk about "CAD" had ever tried to use 3d modelling software...
So I was going through my Collected Visions book for inspiration and day dreaming and noticed something odd….there’s a lot of Emperor’s Children and Space Wolves. So since I was bored and this kinda annoyed me I actually counted how many of each Army was depicted. The results are thus-Cust/SoS=30/27DA=6EC=57! (5 of which were titled wrong)IW=10WS=6SW=40 (2nd place)IF=6NL=7BA=27IH=8WE=39 (3rd, LOTS of chunky boys)UM=21DG=35TS=34SoH=35SM=9WB=33RG=8AL=7Mech/DarkMech were 20/24, though I could be wrong since Mech loyalty is subtle and there were 44 for the Imperial Army types. I knew I was right. Also I didn’t know this book was tied to a card game, had never really read it and I thought the cards at the back was just marketing.All this aside, I noticed something. There’s a few depictions of Marines with big gorgets, was this only ever done for Mk 7/8? Quite enjoy picrel, have no idea how to make the look though
>>96517424The WB ashen circle also have gorgets.
>>96517405Its easier to boolean a single cylinder all the way through. There is no reason for there to ever be an empty cylinder to put another empty cylinder inside of. If for manufacturing reasons you weren't able to have the hole go all the way through then you would boolean out holes on either side and probably boolean the edge of the boolean object so again theres no reason why there would ever be another cylindrical shape there.For whatever reason its 100% deliberate.
>>96517417Yes, it's clearly that the designers on purpose made the muzzles into shrouds over the barrels with no muzzle devices on the actual gun.
>>96517506I said boolean too many times I meant bevel that last time.
>>96517506So GK storm bolters are meant to have muzzle devices while GK terminator storm bolters have a barrel shroud with no muzzle device?
>>96517546could always be the individual sculptors not being on the same page. Or a quirk of the manufacturing process that led them to change the design
>>96517546it's clearly some kirk of 3d modelling for plastic injection.But Umbra or Tigris do not have it, only Phobos, and twice. Which makes me think it's also how the real thing is supposed to look
>>96517576There doesn't seem to be any consistency on how muzzles are done, even on same era models.
>>96517587>twiceProbably just ported the guns from the MkIII kit to the MkII kit. The DG praetor's Phobos seems to have flatter holes. Or maybe it's just the lighting/material that makes it look like that?
What would it even look like? Iron Circle automata are huge, and so is Perturabo.
>>96517709>frontal sectionI always imagined it'd be more like a Stormlord with a volcano cannon with Pert and his guys riding in the back.
>>96517709Remember vehicles are not in the same scale as other models, they should be way bigger than what is represented on the minis
>>96517766It's a glorious day here. Anyway, lets post sniper models.
>>96517709>>96517741Pardon my hasty drawing but I'd imagine something like the Gorgon transport with huge tracks on either side and the shadowswords cannon up top.
>>96517792It's specifically a Shadowswrod and the cupola is up front.
>>96517787HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>96517792Holy SOVL
>>96517813I know anon, I'm not saying it'd literally be a Gorgon transport with extra shit tacked on. It's a heavily modified Shadowsword so I was assuming they'd have moved the cannon further back and created a massive ramp at the front to disgorge perry and the boys. I'm just choosing to ignore the cupola part because either interpretation of it is retarded. I've been in a cupola and even on an Astartes vehicle theres no way in hell you're fitting a primarch + even 1 iron circle. I imagine they could have view ports along the roof sections of the transport part of the hull but an actual cupola would be completely retarded.
>>96513451Zeta-Garmon? Why not Theta-Garmon, they're actually cool.
>>96517787>>96517815
the land raider with 3 razorback turrets was from here right?
>>96513671The Muster of the Imperial feudal world of Charnovarre.
>>965180463 razorback turrets?
>>96518096Maybe he means the Terminus Ultra?
>>96517709atm it has a transport capacity of 14, which is Perty +2 Iron Circle with no other space (and nobody else is allowed on board anyway)it has the same guns and options and no meaningful differences to the regular Shadowsword in the same Legacies document, including the fact it's an anti-super-heavy tank which has no business being used as a transport in the first placeso it looks like a Shadowsword and it has a big hatch on it somewhere and they get in and out of that, but the engines are smaller and more efficient for the same power output and the armour is thinner but more resistant at that thickness etc etcwhat it looks like is a shit idea that should have been scrapped because nobody ever wants to bring 1500 points of LoW/Warlord detachments comprising four models in a 6000 point gamesure you could do it at 3k but that involves finding space for a Retinue slot in another Detachment when you already have one in the Warlord Detachment
>>96518120it's only a unit for fluff, useless on tabletop. Shadowswords are trash transports, without 14/14/14 armor on the rear, and wasting a sniper gun on a transport is retarded. Doesn't have the capacity to be viable as a transport, it'd have to be able to fit perty+5 iron circle to validate the expense.Perty is also in-game the primarch least in need of a transport of all primarchs. Has the best shooting for his squad (2 statuses at long range) and with a large iron circle bodyguard he's both immune to precision and enemy shooting his unit face T7-T8. Other primarch squads just get shot, treated as toughness 4-5 and precisioned to pieces 2 seconds into the game, hence other primarchs must hide in transports or lose the game on turn 1. S4 like Seekers can't even attempt to shoot the Iron Circle as after they declare the attack, you spend 1 stratagem point for T8 shieldwall reaction and the squad instantly loses its turn.The only primarch transport that'd have been good would be Dorn's Stormhawk, but that was removed from game. An aircraft deployment for primarch has the perks of deepstriking (safe off board, flexible deployment) without the fuckity cant-charge-from-deepstrike problems.
>>96517546I can't tell you what the reason is because I don't know that. I can just tell you, as someone who makes their own weapon bits, that laziness doesn't explain that because it's more effort to produce that shape than just cutting out a flat ended cylinder.There is an exception, which is on the bolter designs where the ported part is distinctly a muzzle device (some primaris guns) in these cases its quite likely the muzzle device that has the holes cut into it is or was a different mesh from the barrel and was just slapped over the barrel mesh. That would get you something resembling pic related.Its also possible whoever made the models was using a cylinder as a gauge to get the size of the barrel approximately correct and then added features on top of it and then left it there in the final model, this could then have been interpreted as an intended choice by other designers later.
>>96518183>laziness doesn't explainA bad designer doesn't have to be lazy, they just do it they way the know either out of stupidity or stubbornness, and don't bother to learn the "proper" way.
>>96518120>>96518182Back in 1.0 this was considered grounds for ending friendships.
>>96518210no, it's because the designers are british.
Why is he so cool bros....
>>96518369He's a wanker
>>96518210I'm addressing what is or isn't easier to do when making a 3D model not what is or is not a good design. Making that design is harder than either connecting edge loops or using booleans which are the most basic ways to put a hole in something.Whatever reason they had for doing it this way, it was not because it was the easy way to do it, which was the claim.
>>96518254I think the tormentor is taller than people think
Post models.Post what you are working on.Currently working on 30 mk2 marines then will need to decide between a...a) typhon tankb) 2 castaferrum dreadnoughtsc) 1 more iron circle 1 more contemptor
>>96518390Fuck you!
>>96518449It's crazy how castaferrum dreads are still durable cheap shooting platforms this edition.
>>96518102this one, didn't the original terminus ultra have 2 land raider sponsons behind the predator ones?
>>96518544Pretty sure the original was a conversion in White Dwarf from way before HH was a game
>>96518565It was actually an official kit GW sold at the launch of Apocalypse during 4th edition.
>>96518391If they made the hole go all the way through then had to fill it up afterwards because of a manufacturing limitation plugging it with a cylinder would be the fast and easy way to do that. But that would fit in the realm of things done for a reason rather than because of corner cutting.
>>96518182I'm not sure very many lists seriously possess the Precision capability to gun down Primarchs, even with them being treated as T5. That's a full squad of seekers blasting away for the entire game and taking no more than one or two casualties, or several squads at once if the Primarch isn't taking all their fire from turn 1. The jump-pack primarchs at least can probably navigate out of field of view of all but the most stacked sniper squads (headhunter bomb, mostly).Pretty sure the best-value primarch transport is a Storm Eagle, especially if you have any way to make it coming in on rounds 1/2 more reliable.
>>96513451Smoothbrain here.Do I need to actually see a unit to hit them?I have a flamer malcador and was wondering if the massive template could just saturate the field and hit whatever I want.
>>96518659You need to see a UNIT to target it at all (other than barrage stuff).But hits spill over to MODELS you cannot see.So if there is a 50 man unit of levies hiding behind a building, but a single elbow is sticking out, then yes you can theoretically wipe out the entire unit with shooting.Yes this is retarded as it sounds.
>>96518544Yes, but once 8th hit the rules became more fluid so you could kind of do whatever.
>>96518449I'll start the sponsons tomorrow.I decided to go with the "blood and bone" No Clearance hazard stripes from my workplace to add some color though not terribly much.
How are Solar Auxilia in 3.0?
>>96518754Good. An actual playable, standalone army.
>>96518659>>96518707NTa but does it work like that with template weapons?Cuz if you see 1 model, and that means you can attack the unit, but then the template rules say you have to cover as many models as possible and all the covered models get hit.So wouldn't that mean you could be shooting through a solid wall to hit as many models as possible even tho you are not even covering the only model you can actually see?I guess this just adds another reason why ignoring LoS for wound allocations is absolutely retarded...
>>96518754Well. They're there, I suppose.
>>96518754Macca, the outer circle said they are woke.
>>96518788Tabletop gaming is woke, it was made by communists
>>96518788That confirms they aren't.
>>96518598One single squad of seekers kills a primarch in 3 turns most often. And that's 190 points crippling a 700-900 point deathstar. They don't need vision of the primarch at all, if they see one toe of a single one of the escorts from anywhere on the board, all 10+ precision shots go onto the primarch immediately. (and zero return fire, as the 10-20 guys behind the wall will not have LoS to shoot back so you can't even justify spending a reaction point)It doesn't even need to finish him off to instantly lose anyone with a primarch outside a transport the game. The common 2-3 wounds is minus 2-3 initiative in challenges. And turn 2 it's minus 4-5 initiative. Quickly makes the primarch have to avoid any situation it could ever earn any of its points cost back - as even if it did trade with some 200 point model later, you lose 3 victory points when they take any warlord out, while the primarch isn't earning any VP at all.The "precision isnt so scary" is one of those retard-feelings from people who've never played the game. It's like people who think "10 meltas can kill any tank, I have a feeling"
>>96518811My seekers have never performed well, but that could be because of my atrocious dice rolls.
>>96518754an actual army that has the chance of winning against legion players without an idiotic spam strategy
>>96518811Reminder that literally all worry of seekers is stopped by a 50 point laecrymata tech priest from an allied detachment with no other requirements that can both make the transport immune to bring stopped by statuses or heal 3 wounds/hullpoints every turn from 6" away with no LOS requirements, and can even be done within combat. Ban allying mech while you still can, before your group gets entrenched, because techpriests are the new dreadnought bullshit.
>>9651881110 Seekers does an average of 5 wounds to a Primarch in a T5 squad over 3 rounds of fire, so on average you need all four rounds without someone blasting all your squishy 1W MEQ. It's not that precision is bad, it's that you are actually going to need more than 190pts of dudes to precision down some of the toughest characters in the game, and most non-AL lists don't actually have 30 seekers.Even a wounded Primarch is going to pancake almost anything but his opposite number in a challenge, although you are correct that that doesn't accomplish much if you're not getting objectives or Slay The Warlord out of it.
>>96518901Can't heal Primarchs, anon, Paragons aren't Infantry, Walkers or Automata. They can heal themselves, though, so sniping a Lacry archmagos to death is going to be a lost cause.
so...>3 havoc launchers on rhinos>10 shotguns via 2 effrit squads>2 medusa mortars>2 pintle mounted multilasers>2 punisher cannonsshould be enough status effects right?
>>96519011Nope.
>>96519011Yeah
>>96518915hmm, so 30 seekers plap a Primarch over two turns? Interesting.... also, keep in mind that if your primarch is -r focus there's a good chance a random generic TH praetor can finish him off
>>96519015>>96519029well which one
>>96519073Nah.
>>96519011>>96519073if you're deliberately statusmaxxing so as to, what, hopefully win?wtf r u doing mandas gay nigga
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