Archives & Other Resources: https://rentry.co/cyoagAllsync: https://cyoa.allsync.com/s/owWor64yLTngDk3Previous thread: >>96507312Outer Reincarnation Edition:https://imgchest.com/p/5xy22anpnyl
>>96515334have a cyoa
Why didn't you call a new thread in the old one before it died? now anons will jump to the tok thread because its the only one linke in.
>>96515376PhysiotherapyTomoeMartial ArtsBlend InI used to pick Ix but I've since reconsidered, taking care of a disabled person can be emotionally draining even if there's little work involved.
>>96515334If you Fiert a fairy, does Perpetuity keep trying to swap you again with a new body (or just your old body?) or do you get perfect Perpetuity?
I love cyoas.
>>96515334So what's the deal with Caeda? are her dream-learning and teleportation abilities replicable? and who did she make a connection with on the "otherside"? Did Tank say something about her on reddit?
Do you need to be female to select Thaumiel as a parent with dice fudge?
>>96515517Why would swapping bodies would give you their death letter, which has been fulfilled anyway? Pretty sure you would have an empty A death slot that could be assigned a letter later.
>>96515560yes
>>96515579whyyou aren't learning her technique
>>96515591But you are getting groomed by her.Take sibling with Fiert if you want to switch back to male.
>>96515591There is no why. It simply is. Knock on tank's door on reddit if you want it changed.
>>96515591Penises repulse her and refuses to raise a child with one
Do you need to think of a "trick" when making a build to defeat Charlotte or is being smart/strong enough to gather knowledge and armies and figuring it later enough for E Nomine?
>>96515618Her power level is so vaguely described to allow the latter.
>>96515618You need some sort of X factor. You can figure that out now or later, but you need to have some sort of plan.
>>96515618If you suck SRTR dick, you can ignore all tricks.
>>96515618>>96515639But generally yes, it should be fine as long as you are gathering strong and knowledgeable allies.If you are a muddish peasant with no companions or mentors and no gifts, well, you are probably going to have a hard time
>>96515618You need a "Trick" to overcome your Death Rune, or have Keter teach you one really. You can probably defeat 0^0 by either method you described, but "gather knowledge" better involve something to win against her hacks and armies.
>>96515568So the benefit of Perpetuity without true death would last only until another outsider picks you (or 0^0 sees you and assigns one). Not much different from surviving death letter in another way I suppose like Keter did.
>>96515517Tankista mentioned that it wouldn't stop a new meaning of the letter to try and kill you later down the line when someone asked this about Theta. They will always have a true death around the corner, even if chances of it finding them are extremely unlikely.
>>96515618Charlie have pseudo-Divine powers which you need to counter with either equal powers by studying under her or help from one of Elder Gods.Either be born from JNPL, help YMRD with her scheme with Omega or help SRTR to do something she is planning.Without stolen divine powers Charlie is still strong being Outsider with solid gifts and knowledge behinds her so matching her would require to have either solid amount of power or knowledge and tricks.And she has her armies which need to be defeated in the field to have one on one with her in the first place.
>>96515618Once the story starts you can figure out anyway to defeat her that suits your character. You can best her armies, win through trickery and backstab her, revive JNPL while she's distracted with something else, pull an elves style pun to expand the damage already there, beat her up yourself, pull a Vtorusha and argue her divinity as not valid and cancelling her power, etc.There are as many ways to beat her as stories you can tell about it. Some of them will focus on some elements more than others and perhaps consider different scales of her power but the vagueness is there to allow them.
The warmachina build from last thread is perfectly viable. Being a muddish highlord, having claim to the muddish throne, having Jdan as a mentor, having Brastat with Ouk, and having an encounter that gives you a free warmachina all but guarantees that you will be successful in making new warmachina.
>>96515731But he was a retard, and will job
>>96515737You have to be at least a little retarded to use the power of friendship
Thaumielfags really think they're better than Keterfags just because they chose an autistic lesbian instead of a sad lesbian to raise them.
>>96515731It's one of the worse builds ever, the unnotable lich and the merchant are better simply because Charlie won't bother with them. He will never figure how to make one mech with a plan that shitty.
>>96515747I'm a nightmare chad thoughIf that frigid bitch Thaumiel won't cough up the secrets then I guess I'll have to pick someone else
>>96515745Actually, you need 5 Ancestry Points and a non-Majin race.
>>96515747They are both meaningless powergaymers, but one side wishes they were women.
>>96515761>It's one of the worse buildsCharlie will kill every outsider
>>96515747Tam is mom, Katya is (untimeskipped) waifu.
>>96515731I only pointed out that for someone who wanted to build Warmachinas as early as possible, he basically ignored all the parents that could teach him young how to work and operate them for the standard Keter and One adoption. It is obviously his story and will work in his favor but he went for points over flavor for his build's gimmick.
>>96515770Nah I'd Triumph.
>>96515772>untimeskipped wife>you one day wake up married to a woman and with children, neither of you remembers how you got together
>>96515779based jobberchad!
>>96515770Good, she will kill herself and my God will reset everything.
>>96515772>Tam is mom??? would slit your throat in your sleep if she heard you say that unironically.
>>96515785That's that you get with a mix of By Design and Wine Is Thicker Than Water.
>>96515747>to raise themFuck that, the whole point is to seduce and fuck her while making Katya cry in the background. Not my fault she couldn't fix her properly.
>>96515788Only after she forces you to wageslave in an Ecumene fulfilment center for 10,000,000 years
>>96515799So now you are against two Outsiders instead of one. Ntring Katya is not going to end well.
>>96515799>Engaging in a retarded lesbo love triangle drama show instead of saving the world.Charlotte must be laughing her ass off at the quality of the new outsiders, they keep getting worse.
>>96515799You're supposed to do the opposite
>>96515801Do I have dental?
>>96515618The average martial build can easily 1v1 her after reaching adulthood.
When all hope was thought lost; when people who's eyes melt and their face feels droopy when they try to read anything by Tankista had nowhere else to turn because everyone keeps posting about Outer Reincarnation. It was born. The chosen one. The interactive with actually interesting builds, and a fuckton of submenus. https://altcyoaisekaitheend.neocities.org/BluMage4Lyfe
>>96515829no
>>96515839TRVKE
>>96515747Thaumiel is a cute kuudere.
>>96515618Not really. The you after spawn is much more competent in every way than the you of now, so future you would conceivably come up with better "tricks" than current you can, assuming future you deems them necessary. You just need to pick a good situation to put future you in.
The central message of OR is that tsunderes are better than kuuderes.
>>96515840Checked this to see what's all the hype was about and was left disappointed.
>>96515334To GODGOD's Gift of 2nd LifeCYOA Outer ReincarnationBlessingBlessing of JNPLPatron GODGOD YMRDGenderMALERaceCAUCASIANSpeechLatinBirthlandHimalayasMentorSri KrishnaPerks 9 Destiny 11 AncestryOuter TideTrue Love SiblingUntimeskipDice Fudge (Free)Extra MentorExtra MentorExtra CompanionExtra CompanionExtra Companion
In Spirit Conscript under Overpowered game mode, are the trainings and techniques given mean whatever you choose is free or does it mean you're allowed to buy that many of them?
>>96515840go back, reddit shill
>>96515882>Overpoweredew
>>96515882It means you get 3 master level trainings, 2 legend level trainings, 3 basic releases, and 3 great level releases, free. But remember that in this CYOA you have to BUY the prerequisites for anything you take for free, if it has any.>>96515897To be fair that CYOA is really badly balanced on any other option.
>>96515897Not doing multiplayer so might as well go over the top>>96515900Understood, thanks.
>>96515334>Blessing of SRTRI give myself omnipotence.GG no re, solved CYOA. Most of you missed the Blessing of SRTR option, and even those who took it, weren't clever enough to take omnipotence with it ;)
>>96515334Name: Onze YesodMalePatron God: JNPLPerks: Adoption[Only discard Hladvig], Extra Mentorx2, Extra Companion, True Love[Baf], Outer TideMother: Maiosara YesodBirth Father: Hladvig TehomAdoptive Father: OneRace: Tumen Languages: Everman, Palatiner-Quietened: Drakonian, Salian-Tutored: Seo[Everman], Baf[Everman], Nilmatrix[Everman]Location: Kingdom of Malkuth, PasmurniaInborn Gifts: Noble Inclination, Cognitive Speed, Misalliance-Maiosara Yesod[Overflowing Pupilx2, Grim Outlook, Multiocular O], Cognitive Speed, Memory Retention, Wisdom, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, All-Glimpse, Stifling of Armsx2, Flowing Gait, Thoroughbreeding, Ethereal BeautyMentors: The Keter, Herleva, Seo, Gewrgin Aureole, SpakoCompanions: Inga Yesod, Savmak, Baf, NilmatrixEncounters: A Murder of Murders[The Keter], A Hunter Must Haunt[Seo],Immortal Coils of Intrigue[Herleva + Inga Yesod], Remember About Death[Spako], Breaking and Entering-Stygia[Baf], To Dream Bigger and Higher[Savmak], Shadow of God[Nilmatrix]Deaths: Onze Yesod[Vedi], Maiosara Yesod[Glagoli-Zhivete], Hladvig[On], Seo[Shta-Zhemlya], Keter[Greater Yus], Baf[Iotated Greater Yus], Savmak[Lesser Yus]Youth: Parental Support, Journey of the Self, Daemonhunt-Cryptlurker, PlottingQuest: Patienta1/2
>>96515840I don't understand what hybrid does. It implies you can choose two humanoid types but it does not let me choose which types.
>>96515925>PlanThe goal here is to conclude the other Outsiders' stories by letting One die, giving Keter her redemption arc, allowing Aatginter's role and power to be inherited, and upgrading Savmak into a better form of undead, so he can choose whether he wants to kill himself or not. Aside from that, I plan to stabilize Doria a little and work against everyone trying to tear it apart from the shadows, which is why I killed off Hladvig. I plan to either awaken Vtorusha or kill her, and will figure out how I'm going to do either later.>YouthParental Support: Maiosara seems like she'd need this regardless, and I'd like to have a better relationship with her and One.Journey of the Self: Seems like something One would want to help with. I'll try to befriend Kalliopa and Izbor, and build a good relationship with Zlata, Leimeie, and Dirk even if they aren't my mentors.Plotting: So much to do, so little time. I have to find and contain Alezandre somehow, dismantle Hladvig's schemes, prepare to spread information on how to fight Empyreans after the Nilmatrix encounter, coup the Exarchate or find another way to get Baf access to Aatginter's body, arrange my political marriage to Kalliopa if I'm not in a tide with Light and Dark build, prep to work with Inga to contain the Nightmare, find and kill Rhucuphre somehow(unlikely), and work against anyone else trying to undermine Doria. Where will I find the time?My plan for Nilmatrix is teaching Keter and Inga what I learn from Gewrgin's manuscript, and hope they can carry my fraud ass to victory. Does the Shadow of God encounter happen before or after I reach adulthood?Why yes, I will apply Gewrgin's other teachings to all of my mentors and companions, why do you ask? No, Nilmatrix isn't safe just because I don't know who she is and am planning to kill her.
>>96515916Now write Meaningful story how your omnipotent ass walks into Ecumene and lovingly dominate and rape Charlie into submission.
>>96515925>Onze hey! that's my name you fucking thief!
>>96515938You snooze, you loseHowever, I am generous enough to let you share the name
>>96515916Even SRTR herself isn't omnipotent, how would she give something she doesn't have?
>>96515951>Even SRTR herself isn't omnipotent
>>96515943The worst part isn't that you took the name, its that you used it for such a trash ass build.
>>96515840Nice music, but the occasional tok-tier images are really jarring.
>>96515951Of course there cannot be 2 omnipotent beings. There's only me.
>>96515925>>96515930Would have been better if you took Dirk as Mentor.
>>96515954Even with the "The Elder Gods are just playing with Charlie" theory as base. The Elder Gods are far from omnipotent.
>>96515967Dirk's suffered enough thanks to Outsiders meddling in his life, I don't want to assign him a death letter after everything else he's been put through.
>>96515930>HladvigYeah he's one of the idiots blatantly being played by Pandemonium without even having the dignity of being a member.
>>96515980That's why you decided to fuck with his mother?
>>96515991His mom is Unnr
>>96515993My bad. Still you are already too deep into his family issues.
>>96515877Ecumene destroying TRVTH NVKE
>>96515987I don't, he seems to be pretty influential himself considering he's practically dominating the intrigue of both the Empire, the Lichyard and apparently also has the heir to the Old Throne in his pocket, he is using Pandemonium for his benefit as they are using him. Qlipoth nobles are on a different level than the rest of the Dorians, just look at Inga and Gunter.
>>96515840>Blue Mage (Will of the Omnissiah) + ArtificerAbsorption, creation, biology + technology. Commonly agreed to be the best combo.->Champion: self focus.->Puppeteer: army focus.>Jack All TradesSacrifices Will of the Omnissiah and other capstones to take a lot more stuff. Not really a specific combo, but still warrants a spot here.>Blue Mage (Ultimate Lifeform) + Perpetual Motion MachineWorld destroyer. Goes against the premise, but it's an option.Any other comparable combos?
>>96516010Licking the angel's feet until she solos the world event
>>96515932Walk into Ecumene? How unimaginative. I just eradicate Eucmene with a thought, in an instant, and replace it with the forest of tits. Nothing survives.
>>96516021Is it really worth your dignity?
W-Where is the build list?
How do you pronounce ???
>>96516028questionmarkquestionmarkquestionmark
>>96516028You pronounce it "Uhh".
>>96516026>dignityanons don't have that
>>96516027Waiting for (You) to post it
>>96516028Call her Katya junior. She will love it.
>>96516028"anonymous"
>>96516028Fuckmeat.
>>96515334https://imgchest.com/p/5xy22anpnylhttps://rentry.org/outer_reincarnation_informationChronological Build ListA Hero of Justice https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479399Moonman https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459760Wanderer above the Sea of Fog https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480941Speedster Spider https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412603Demonic Nightmare Maker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493315The Black Messiah (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430522Flagellant Gambler https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96411399The Jötunnsdrottninggen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381145Ithyl Twynis https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381847Y'Sereth, King among Kings https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382717Queen of Mamet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382899Orkhalorkhan https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415856Father of the Paracausal Arts https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452392The Wandering Professor (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96428837Vëe the Dream Librarian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393021Demon King of the Dead (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96386307/#96391919Krinak, Syn Ufroka https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399372The Book of the Damned https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96426011Ҁ Ф ʌ https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96467167Faina Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96447556Unnotable Lich https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479706Escher https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96395910Foolish Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96398017Vai https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399427Mer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96400248
>>96516028Big Sister.
>>96516064Aurum Arc the Golden Finger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96400560Red Drakonid (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96429221King of The Exarchate (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96416022Qarg the Conqueror https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404302Son of Man (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404724The Inquisitor https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96406963Ultimate Scholar (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407218Student https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407496The Return of the King (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407523Liriel, The Veilbreaker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96451577Balrog the Emerald King https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427173One-Woman Band https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412498Ellavan "Ella" Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412568Ren, Demon Lord of SRTR https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415916HeWillWin https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415920Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427458Zyneheart https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96423015Numerological Demon Lord https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96447883Manusya, the Unwritten https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96425679Fir Dahort https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96428141Warlord (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430436Liadan - Unbegotten Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96463819He`el https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96431341Rozir, the Vagabond King of Hexen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445292Neophyte Sevastian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445422
>>96516010The broken build I came up with is you combine the Blue Mage, Puppeteer and Battlemaster's Link spell. The Link spell turns everyone who casts it into a Hivemind. With Puppeteer you can just create a puppet, have it cast Link and then you no longer have a range limit and can just stay home while your puppets do the work. Blue Mage + Spooky Action allows anything any puppet kills to strengthen every puppet in your army and there's no reason puppets can't create puppets. So you'd just expand and expand without end. For a bonus the Blue Mage ultimate that gives you shapeshifting also lets you turn flesh into mana. So your army could fuel itself on the corpses of it's enemies.
>>96516072Avi - Demonic Dragon Sage https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96446382The Silk Matron https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452816The White Prophet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96454351Led https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96458991Aphainoumenos, Last Demon Prince https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459966Ars Goetia https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96461924Thaumaradrak https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96468757/#96471990Valar https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96471461Prince Aureole https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96477816Rap God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479391Common Man https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480067Alfrent (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480079Aera https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96482056Illior of the Doria (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96482585Godslayer Punchardt https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96487671Lady, the Academy Meister https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96485991The Curse Slinger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493657Fu'uq, the Pixie Bomber https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493201Paxtinger, Dragon God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96497495/#96503070Fucking Robot https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96507312/#96508289Onze Yesod https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96515334/#96515925
>>96516044Nuh huh. I have people for that.
>>96516026I already sold mine for more shards.
>>96515877False, the central message of OR is that yandere, kuudere, and mommy should beat up kamidere together like that scene in the boys
>>96516077Unless you have the Puppeteer capstone that lets you give puppets some Soul, you'll eventually reach a cap at your max mana. The souled up puppeets have their own pool however.
>>96516117Yandere?
>>96516140SRTR
>>96515877False, the central message of OR is that I'm right and everything else can be ignored.
>>96516007Inga would absolutely tear people like Hladvig apart, he's just doing a shitty powergrab, she was devoted to saving the world by rooting out the Nightmare. Completely different kind of person.
>>96516077>>96516129Qliphoth Rhizome technically doesn't make puppets. It's just mind control and giving blue mage abilities. The combo mostly works, but Spooky Action doesn't connect to the Qliphoth Rhizome slaves.
>>96516209He didn't even mention Rhizome. But this ability alone + maxed blue mage is probably the strongest shit ever.
>>96516177You will be killed by a baby.
>>96516246I have more Gifts than anyone else. I solo.
>>96516190She was still a despotic ruler who did her own shitty powergrab. Her description tells you that her main goal was to conquer the world, letting it be destroyed would be contrary to that.
Any CYOAs for this feeling?
>>96516231Still need to add something like Artificer or a combat archetype to get it started. Blue mage and puppeteer start pretty weak.
>>96516267I wonder who could be behinnd this post...
>>96516267Outer Reincarnation
>>96516259>Her description tells you that her main goal was to conquer the worldDoes it, now?
>>96516259>No you're not allowed to conquer your neighbors so those retards stop feeding the Nightmare, it hurts the Muddish's feelings!
>>96515840I will not try an interactive no matter how much you advertise, every time I've looked inside it has been bad. People who actually like them must have non-standard chromosome count.
>>96516305It will be different this time...
>>96516274Just take the option that delays the World Event by at least one year guarantee. You can start by killing dogs or other animals and humans and become an Elden Ring boss, then work your way up from there.With Kaiju or Zombie events you can just wait till humans kill some of them and absorb them too if you get there first too.
>>96516304Ummm. Excuse me. Did you forget that everything returns to mud???
>>96516259Found the M*ddish
>>96516349I can't wait to turn every single Muddish into mud.
>>96516352Never forget that when they say this, they're just mad they didn't get to conquer Doria themselves. Literally their only goal is to conquer the entire world and try to wake Vtorusha up, everything else is just an excuse to get to that point. It's why Savmak had to put them down.
>Anons get a free mentor with a time machine>they become racists insteadWhy are you like this?
>>96516377People in this thread are Onechads, not Twofags.
>>96516377The elder shitters agenda must be maintained.
>>96516300>Oh I wasn't greedy and jealous of outsiders, I was merely ambitions and had a strong sense of justice>Those note about abusing Khier to get a false ascension and depose the gods? Just theoretical ramblings, please don't pay attention to them.She was just Charlie with a bit more self control.
>>96516267Just make Dragonfall multiplayer already. Then you can get a taste of what it's like to make it to the big leagues up there with Outer Reincarnation and Entropist.
>>96516399>Vtorusha was just Charlie with a bit more self control.>Aat was just Charlie with a bit more self control.>Erginter was just Charlie with a bit more self control.>Katya was just Charlie with a bit more self control.
Inga did literally nothing wrong.
My waifu did literally nothing wrong.
>>96516417Keter is trash and you know it.
>>96516432My mom can beat your mom.
>>96516437My mom is nice to me and raised me well
>>96516437The only thing Keter is beating today is another bottle of wine. Or maybe you.
>>96516437If anyone tries to beat my mom I'm going to stop them.
>>96516443But did your mom sleep with you?
>>96516377It really hurts, you know? Back when the original CYOA was released in 2022, I couldn't fit a lot of characters from the Old Throne into the roster. And many people noted that they really did not like Jdan and his country.So when I got around to updating it, I made sure to compensate for it, and to make the character distribution more fair. After working on the historical background for so long, the Muddish with their aesthetic became my favourite Human race. And after I finished working on available character options, I thought to myself: "Am I being unfair? I feel like I am putting too much cool and interesting stuff onto the side of the Old Throne. Maybe I should dial it back a little?", but decided to stick to what I had presented.And then it turns out that nothing had changed.I had failed myself. I might as well delete the CYOA by rewinding time back one year and return to the drawing board, now.
>>96516443>he regularly interacts with a hole that got nutted inside by another man
>>96516468All returned to mud.
>>96516468To mud then?
>>96516468Should've given Jdan a good image.
>M*jin>M*ddish>Beastf*lk>Drak*nid>Und*adWhich one to genocide after dealing with Charlie? Ur*ks included by default.
>>96516468Well the issues are three.1) The Old Throne is setup to be ridiculously hard to beat because of their time travel chair. So if you're an Empire or Exarchate player who might want to conquer Doria, these guys are the biggest issue for you to deal with. No reasonable solution to beating them without just copying Inga makes them hard to like as an enemy.2) They're all Vtorusha simps. Most players seem to be pro-Ascent and even outright pro-Elder God, so the race that's full bore in hating and rejecting them is basically just another Ecumene to these players.3) Brown hair is ugly. This might seem petty, but when people are shopping for waifus, or a race to BE, aesthetics matter. The Muddish all having brown hair downgrades them massively in the waifu race. Also the only strong Muddish female is asleep all the time and people tend to powerfag when looking for waifus.
>>96516499Every empyr*an gets finished off first. None of Charles' filth gets to stay in my world.
Are gloves and greaves considered a defensive weapon or blunt weapon in Spirit Conscript?
>>96516499Morlocks. All of them must die.
>>96516499>MajinAat did nothing wrong.>MuddishVtorusha did nothing wrong.>BeastfolkKatya did nothing wrong.>DrakonidErginter did nothing wrong.>UndeadOne did nothing wrong.It's the fault of the NPCs.
>>96516500>3) Also the only strong Muddish female is asleep all the time and people tend to powerfag when looking for waifus.This is the biggest sin, that and the first point
>>96516468>Makes brown people>Calls them mud>Makes them simp for the first great retard>"Gee, why don't people like them"
>>96516500I don't think those are really that big of issuesThe Old Throne has been defeated several times in the past and not only by outsiders, their chair and Mechs are not the ultimate weapon they think they are.The Muddish are [SRTR] favorite human race so it's not as if all of them support Vtorusha, only most of the nobility.And Darina could beat up your wife with her eyes closed.
>>96516513>Erginter did nothing wrong.This bitch killed Yphont
>>96516529Yphont could've been queen of a fucking continent and said no. Bitch deserved to die.
>>96516468I like Jdan. I like the muddish. I like mechas. It’s kino.
>>96516515Dobrava is muddish tho
>>96516537Not all of us want the Fundamentum lifestyle anon
>>96516468I fucking love them after this update, even if I didn't build for them.Engagement is good, even if people are engaging in an unintended direction.>>96516500>3) Brown hair is ugly.Subjective and wrong.
>>96516513>Vtorusha>Erginter>Nothing wrongWork on your bait
>>96516527>with her eyes closedUnfair advantage.
>>96516515But Zlata is a kuudere (true) and Dobrava and Mlada are perfect yandere bait.
Much like guns, I don't care at all for mecha in my fantasy.
what’s a good ability for Grim Outlook + Autoantecedence?
>>96516543wtf I like the muddish now
>>96516468See it on the bright side - they are the race people talk about the most.
>>96516552Well I do. So fuck One and fuck you too.
>>96515618You're meant to put her in your party and use the power of love to fix her.
>>96516498The previous image was completely unfitting (it was a recolor of Byleth from Fire Emblem), and I couldn't find any good replacement. So I had to make do.Actually, a lot more images were about to be AI, but I managed to find suitable replacements just a couple of weeks before the release.>>96516500>1) The Old Throne is setup to be ridiculously hard to beat because of their time travel chair. So if you're an Empire or Exarchate player who might want to conquer Doria, these guys are the biggest issue for you to deal with. No reasonable solution to beating them without just copying Inga makes them hard to like as an enemy.Most countries have a gimmick that makes them tricky to beat. I don't see anyone complaining about the Empire being too big to deal with.>2) They're all Vtorusha simps. Most players seem to be pro-Ascent and even outright pro-Elder God, so the race that's full bore in hating and rejecting them is basically just another Ecumene to these players.They don't reject them at all any longer, that's the whole point behind the Befallen Eparchy.>3) Brown hair is ugly.But it's my favourite hair colour...
>>96516527>The Old Throne has been defeated several times in the pastThe Old Throne has never been removed from their chair, literally the last time the Southlanders succeeded the Muddish kept the chair and just rewound over and over until they won.
>>96516513"This world is fiction. We are the only things that are real within my sight. The rest are all disgusting lies. If this is so, then it doesn't matter what we do to others.No matter how depraved or horrible our actions could be, I consider it all to be meaningless. In light of that, it is my obligation to drag this world through the mud and ruin the tale, whatever it might be.There is only us, and even the narrative of fate is merely an illusion. It is up to me to prove to the storytellers that their works are worthless, to punish them for daring to make something like this.And so, I shall inflict as much dread and suffering as I possibly can. I know they cannot avert their eyes. I shall tear out the heart of what they consider to be their marvel, for what they depict is beautiful cannot possibly be anything but abominable."—11th Outsider
>>96515840>interesting buildsHow interesting, you... pick blue mage and win everything.
>>96516468I'm pretty sure half of those posts are by players who picked muddish for ancestry points.
>>96516500>1) The Old Throne is setup to be ridiculously hard to beat because of their time travel chair. So if you're an Empire or Exarchate player who might want to conquer Doria, these guys are the biggest issue for you to deal with. No reasonable solution to beating them without just copying Inga makes them hard to like as an enemy.To me the current set up for Old Throne is a chore.Jdan knows his son is a traitor and preparing to fight Ecumene as well, while making it look like he will fight other countries on Doria. It is fine but mostly it means unless you fully invest into it either redeeming his son either by making you his grandson or go with Vadim as your father in hope that Jdan changes his successor to either you or Vadim. That's about all you can really do with Old Throne as it currently is.Old Throne making the world worse is also not something you can solve while Charlie is still active. As either Old Throne Outsider or non-Old Throne one.And if you want fantasy mecha you can just take that dwarf and Oko Shtorma bypassing the need to interact with Old Throne at all.
>>96516527>The Muddish are [SRTR] favorite human raceAre they though? SRTR never says anything about any muds. She does gush about Sarmat, a southlander, though.
>>96516570>I don't see anyone complaining about the Empire being too big to deal with.Being too big isn't a hamper to conquest. Anyone with an army can come in and stomp the Empire. Stomping the Old Throne is meaningless though, because they'll reverse time endlessly until they copy the exact minuscule steps required for them to win against you. They did that to survive against the Kingdom of All Humans, even. There's no way to get them as long as that chair is around.>the Befallen EparchyYou mean the enlightened fedora atheists?>But it's my favorite hair colorGross. Brown hair is boring, bland, and looks like actual shit.
>>96516468For the record I really liked Vesryn in the 2022 version and learning more about his dad in the update was neat. Inspired me to lean more into the Old Throne part of his backstory instead of just treating him as elf-dad-who-goes-on-adventures-with-you
>>96516588You can deal with Charie and the nightmare in one fell swoop if you wake up Vtorusha**continued existence not guaranteed
>>96516572They were crushed under the Golden Tide , losing almost all their territories alongside the secret of bringing Vtorusha back, how is that winning.
>>96516468They are also my favourite race, if it helps(Both as friends and waifus)(But jdan should probably have a better image)(Moonman)
>>96516600Yeah I sure do want to wake up the solipsist that'll tang me.
>>96516468I think you did a decent job at making the Muddish better this time round. Last version they were just midboss pests you exterminate but now that Jdan is more reasonable, Old Throne royal claims are available and warmachina are explained Old Throne builds are actually viable now.
>>96516593>There's no way to get them as long as that chair is around.It’s actually really easy. You can do it before you even incarnate. Just kill Jdan. The inherent limitation of the old throne is that you can only go back as far as you have sat on it. That’s why they didn’t just rewind when Keter stole the most important piece of it.
>>96516601Because they kept the chair and used it to rewind time over and over again until they figured out how to overcome the Southlander occupation, like I described.
>>96516570How do you feel about the rise in True Outsider Solipsism since the update?
>>96516515This thread just hasn't caught onto the kino that is Tumen necromancer/Muddish dark cleric immortal enemies to lovers plotline
>>96516500>Brown hair is uglyHorrible taste.
>>96516618He has his daughter sitting on the chair to get around this exact strategy, anon.
>>96516625>Yeah bro I like poop hair over interesting and exciting colors
>>96516623Enlighten me
Everyone hates on the muddish until it's time to kill Nilmatrix.
>>96516468I really like the old throne after the update, really expanded on something that was barely hinted at in the original. Only things left ambiguous was the houses composition and an idea to how the elves work there since there apparently several.
>>96516633You’re revealing more of yourself than of others.
>>96516637You care about the race of your tricks?
>Tankista releases an update to one of his CYOAs>it gets tens of thousands of posts in a row for over a month and counting, with no sign of stoppingHow does he do it? By what clever guile do his deft hands so ensnare the autistic mind? The only authors that have done similar could be counted on one hand. PCA, Italics, EntropistAnon... yet none have managed such a variety of discussion and debate. Very little ground is being retread, rather, dozens of anons are consigned to nonstop analysis and interpretation of the work from every angle and at every aspect. This has reached such a creative storm of a fever pitch that new threads are getting posted hours early to talk about other CYOAs before the old thread slides and the plurality of Tankista aficionados flood in like a monsoon-cracked dam's river. Not even armybuilder minion OC can compete. Many have capitulated and are now waiting for the momentum to lose steam, but it's only heating up. I'm as impressed and amazed as I am dumbstruck and reeling. Is this the power of the Eastern European mind?
>>96516468I actually based most of my build wip versions on starting in Old Throne and taking Jdan, but ended up removing them in the finished builds (single or multi player).
>>96516637Just be stronger than her, simple as that. You don't need Muddish trickery.
>>96516570Are Eirina and Rhucuphre different aspects of the same person?
>>96516648I'm not the one with poop hair, anon.
>>96516653>How does he do it?great lore, great gameplay, huge size so theres lots of shit to discuss and builds to try out, fun multiplayer
>>96516656They are actually both Ielziaseh in different wigs.
>>96516658You could compare any color of hair to some awful substance if you wanted. Your desire to see shit where there is none is the product of a deep fecal obsession hooked in your soul. I will hope for your recovery.
>>96516468You literally added a Muddish woman who is going out of her way to sabotage other countries so they kill each other.
>>96516653He's just built different.
>>96516468>>96516681Then she has the gall to whine about how she doesn't want children to suffer while ensuring there's as many miserable suffering orphans in the Exarchate as possible.
>>96516681Who?
>>96516653He's [THE STRONGEST], what else could you expect?
>>96516658Kneel.
>>96516678>You could...Why would I when there's a lot of other nice things to compare them to? Gold, blood, the night sky, the sea, all super nice things. Unlike mud.
>>96516688Ruzhana>>96516681>>96516684Trust in the keikaku anon, it'll all be worth it in the end
>>96516570>Actually, a lot more images were about to be AIHonesty, try to fully replace it with normal ones. It stands out like a sore thumb against its neighbors.And please look into Dragon Realm and Paxxia. They have almost nothing going on right now, despite how it should be feeling like a big deal being the descendant of Pantorai and Erginter.
>>96516637I'm not fishing for Empyrean and didn't take Nil.
>>96516695Ngl I prefer the original pic
>>96516704>I'm not fishing for EmpyreanJobber.
>>96516700>The ends justify the means!Said every psychopath ever.
>>96516702>it should be feeling like a big deal being the descendant of Pantorai and Erginter.This and being the child of JNPL. They seem like they should be great, but mechanically they suck ass. The Pantorai issue could be solved by making him give mentor slots and maybe some destiny points.
>>96516713It's not psychopathy if they're right, it works, and the world is better as a result.
>>96516593>Stomping the Old Throne is meaningless though, because they'll reverse time endlessly until they copy the exact minuscule steps required for them to win against you. They did that to survive against the Kingdom of All Humans, even. There's no way to get them as long as that chair is around.You have an in by having Jdan not actively sit the Old Throne and rely on an intermediary who might not be on the country's side if you really want to fight them manually for some reason. And the Old Throne is not all powerful. You had seen plenty of cases in the past where it was defeated in open war anyway. It's tricky to run a country and get reliable information while being permanently glued to a chair.>You mean the enlightened fedora atheists?Nothing about them states that they are atheists.>>96516622It was actually already present after the original release, and that was what inspired me to decide on the direction of the True Dragons. So this is a bit expected.>>96516656Do you think I'd say it openly if that were true or not?Imagine if, for example, George R. R. Martin came out and said that Daario Naharis and Euron Greyjoy were the same person all along without ever releasing Winds of Winter.>>96516681Other countries sabotage other countries all the time. This isn't anything unusual.She doesn't "go out of her way", she's literally following orders given to her. She even dislikes her job, if that matters to you.And if you want the Whites to win, this is actually beneficial to you.>>96516702I naturally cannot replace Darina and Bernhard because there's nothing I can replace them with. So at least something will stay in the end.And yeah, Pantorai will be buffed with new gifts and you will see a few more details about Paxxia on the new Sibling page.
>>96516702>>96516570I personally think the bigger issue is there's no real plothooks for non-Dragon King's players to interact with the country if they don't choose to be Apantoxia's father. It's just "here's this little evil country controlled by an evil dragon lady who is going to flip out at you. Make sure to kill her."
>>96516700What the fuck is Jdan's plan anyway? How is warring against nominal allies supposed to help?
>>96516722This answer proves it, they’re the same.
>>96516717>they're rightProof?
>>96516620>Ignore the fact that our empire and civilization we're almost destroyed and out greatest secret was lost, we managed to get up several decades later for a fraction of what we wereCalling that winning is a stretch.
>>96516722Please verify immediately that the Old Throne blesses you with temporary Iron Stomach.
>>96516722>Rucuphrefags were right
>>96516722>This isn't anything unusual.The problem is her being a hypocrite about it. You can be an evil spy, but don't try to moralize about making children happy while you're twisting the knife in their parents' sides.>She even dislikes her jobIt says she talked to Jdan and likes it now.
>>96516570This looks great, but you need to charge the point cost of selected parents in [Bastard] & [Adopted Sibling] or anon's will literally adopt every royalty in the worldWill there be blurbs for how people treat you as siblings?Will there be sisterwives?Will there be sister only companions? (Sort of like anpantoxia)AlsoI want to speak to YMRD in a spreadsheet
>>96516736Nope, but it has a toilet built in
>>96516726It's funny
>>96516737I wasn't following along, why is Rhucuphre teaching us Numerology and how to counter mathemagic?
>>96516722I do think you’d deny it if were completely ridiculous. An answer like that has moved me from maybe it’s true to it’s almost certainly true.
>>96516670I wonder how many important figures were actually Ielziaseh. Bitch could be anyone. ANYONE.
>>96516570>Walking up to Dei to call her your sisterYou can also go even further and call Seo your cousin for some demon family drama.
>>96516722>Pantorai will be buffed with new giftsPerhaps consider adding one big gift on the level of Daemonhost in terms of power but for Dragons to make him stand out against other dragon parents and JNPL Dragon? Having Erginter in mother page as an entry would not hurt either.
>>96516726He's setting things up so (You) can unite Doria in a new kingdom of all humans>>96516722>rely on an intermediary who might not be on the country's side if you really want to fight them manually for some reasonWould Geminara really betray her dad like this?
>>96516722>I naturally cannot replace Darina and Bernhard because there's nothing I can replace them withReally? The whole time I thought Darina was intentionally meant to look like Ryne from FF14, you can't find a good non-AI pic of her?
>>96516570>green textIs that Mithra speaking?
>>96516768>Would Geminara really betray her dad like this?She will if I ask.
>>96516757If people like the theory what's the point of going ahead and saying it's wrong or it is right. It's a cyoa after all and if he wants that to be ambiguous then it is up to each player to decide. I will personally marry Eirina and kill the Rhucuphre. Or vice-versa, depending on my mood at the time.
>>96516756Eirina is 666 years old, and Rhucu is 999.Eirina is suspiciously unambitious for a mage who invented an entire new school of magic from nothing but Charlotte's sleep talking.Rhucuphre teaches you how to act in such a way that the gods don't pay much attention.
>>96516722>Rely on an intermediaryYeah but that's not much of an issue since she can still rewind time infinitely.>Might not be on the country's sideSure if you buy her as a companion, what if you didn't?>Plenty of causes where it was defeatedBut that's the issue, every time, they kept the chair and just rewound time until they won, even if it took a long time.
>>96516723>It's just "here's this little evil country controlled by an evil dragon lady who is going to flip out at you. Make sure to kill her."Being Pantorai's child and not be under Paxxia also make it just be that. Other Royal Claims have more ambiguity for their situation rather than having a direct threat to you build it.
>>96516722Hey, how does Multiocular O and Missing Shape interact? Will I still have working eye Inner Gifts that I've purchased?
>>96516779>Rhucuphre teaches you how to act in such a way that the gods don't pay much attention.This is actually bullshit because she's 99% chance YMRD's sock puppet for the ascend everyone at once plan.Works on everyone but the gods though.
>>96516777Other theories get denied all the time, when they’re wrong. Being coy about this one means it’s true.
>>96516785Paxxia's just suffering from severe midboss syndrome.
>>96516760>ability to assign 'roles' to others, forcing them to act as she dictatesSRTR is just Ielziaseh in disguise, fate is just the final form of her ability. When you give someone a YAT it's just Ielziaseh giving them the role of a sad, depressed loser.
>>96516722Dragon's Divine Realm is lacking in options compared to the other nations, please add one or two more locations or encounters.
>>96516789Rhucuphre is more intelligent than YMRD is clueless.
>>96516797>>96516789Who's the JNPL sockpuppet then?
>>96516795Reconcile this with her ability to literally rape any Outer Reincarnation build.
>>96516722You basically confirmed that theory.
>>96516768>He's setting things up so (You) can unite Doria in a new kingdom of all humansHow is his plan helping me unify with the Old Throne and Malkuth though? I'd have have to be his grandson and marry Maiosara to do that, but what if the Outsider doesn't go for that?
>>96516722Completely unrelated, how developed actually is the mathematics in the ecumene?I know it's going to be less then our world, but I need an estimate of how much I could stomp them(A hundred year range would be fine)Also, do they have significant places for regular non magical mathematicians? Do they have geniuses to rival euler or gauss? Could I try to pretend to be one and rise to a position of power?I made 2/3rds of a build dedicated to using basic stock tricks that worked like 60 years ago on the assumption that charlie wouldn't have remembered them and I want to know if it would work
>>96516807Everyone else. I'm serious. She controls everyone the other two don't.
>>96516802Crazy how despite it being what Pantorai was working on all the time, the best way to research true dragon stuff is to go to Mamet and ignore drakonid stuff.
>>96516789I tend to think that YMRD just arranged the pieces on the board for someone to find, and Rhucu happened to be the one who found them. Less of a sock-puppet and more the likely result of factors that YMRD controls.
>>96516807You fucking FOOLIt's ALL Ielziaseh all the way down
>>96516779Anon was asking what teaching the 11th Numerology benefits.
>>96516653The CYOA is just fun. It's not just a numbers game, there's an enormous amount of options to choose from. The Blessings from the Patrons are interesting, and the actual benefits they give you can be competed by your own sense of which suits you the most. The same with all the characters. Sure there's always going to be powergamers who go for the most points available like Maiosara and instantly flip themselves to a adoptive parent, but at the same time there's people who put together parents based on their backgrounds to make a cohesive family. You can apply it to companions too. It's a very immersive and narratively driven CYOA that doesn't pigeonhole you into any one plot, the world is yours to explore and do as you will. For the powergamers though there's still plenty to enjoy, trying to crack the most insane combination of gifts, skills, and magic, or cheat fate by skirting by your predetermined death. I personally lean towards the latter powergamer archetype while still enjoying the characters and such, Im just not smart enough for true exploits.Even the plot of Charlie's rule doesn't have to be tackled immediately as you can leave it to the 12th Outsider or work with them if you feel that its beyond the scope of your abilities. Maybe you just want to make cool new spells, rule a kingdom of your own, or do your own technological uplifting. Or just bang a ton of hot chicks with your all mental gifts build. Nothing is an invalid way to play.The multiplayer aspect I feel is one of the reasons why it sticks around so much. I enjoy this version of multiplayer because there's nothing that actually says you have to help eachother. You could easily be joining a death match between all the Outsiders if you happened to clash in goals too much. It also opens a whole new can of worms as if you were getting more companions/mentors to have to try and consider when making your build because just like the rest they'll exist regardless if you choose them or not.
>>96516814>How is his plan helping me unify with the Old Throne and Malkuth though?They're already secretly in cahoots, Dirk just needs to let Maiosara in on it.
>>96516823Am I Ielziaseh? Are... we Ielziaseh?
>>96516822Isn't that worse?It's like finding a treasure map, and all your actions have be accounted for since the moment you embarked on the journey. You've been pigeonholed into a role. They let you think you're one step ahead.
>>96516809You're assuming fate would make her beat you up and then rape you. You could just end up drinking a bit too much and then wake up without your pants.
>>96516831That's not unification senpai.
>>96516727>>96516737>>96516757That's not what I said.It's intentionally subtly ambiguous on the same level as the view of who was the rebel between Xian and Erginter. You can view them as the same person, and your theory may or may not be true.>>96516740>The problem is her being a hypocrite about it. You can be an evil spy, but don't try to moralize about making children happy while you're twisting the knife in their parents' sides.You're not being an evil spy by supporting your allies.Try looking at it this way: you're given proof that the civil war is going to happen regardless, but the outcome will be better if you support one of the sides. Wouldn't you view it as minimising the damage?And if you as the player make it so that the civil war is avoided, then it retroactively means that Ruzhana's actions strengthened the White positions in the preserved Exarchate, which will be good for the future.>It says she talked to Jdan and likes it now.No, it says she doesn't complain any more, because she was convinced that her actions were worth it.>>96516736You can handwave problems away by saying that people can just use magic to not deal with basic bodily functions.>>96516747There will be a list of 19 characters you can have adopted by your family as siblings. I'll try to fit in how they'll deal in relation to you, but space is scarce, especially since I'll try to fit in new gifts as examples on their entries.>>96516773The problem is having Bernhard carry her in his hands. I really want to show them both like this. I couldn't find any pictures which could represent something like that while also having the same character separately in a different image.>>96516774No, it's [SRTR].>>96516783Maybe you're right, but I don't know how to make it better while keeping to the same established principle of how the Old Throne functions. The country is named after it, even.
>>96516832I took her as my Mentor. It is all a play.
>>96516814Just have Jdan's son fuck Dirk's mom anon. It is the most hilarious outcome for everyone involved and you will get both thrones.
>>96516838I'm not allowed to drink beverages until I'm a grow-up...
>>96516849YMRD put something in your water. Sorry but it needs to happen.You chose this.
>>96516699Chocolate? coffee? the fertile soil from which all life sprouts?
>>96516795>Literal dragon queen that's considered by some a divinity shows up at your door saying she needs your seed and will give you the best night in your life for itWhy would she ever need to rape you?It's also free conflict from your waifu.
>>96516507blunt
>>96516868I’m gay, the only way I’m having sex with a woman is if she forces me to do itAlso I must be a shota and she must have big tits
>>96516868I'm 13 when it happens. I'm not really complaining since I chose it but it's not a good look.
>>96516807It's Kashtanka of The Orthrung, she's being played in JNPL's plan to make giftmaxxers appreciate the family life.
>>96516844Are you planning to touch up Encounter, Youth and Quest pages?They are particularly overlapping right now in terms that they supposed to represent in early life choices and goals.
>>96516868I'm saving myself for my childhood friend.
>>96516844>There will be a list of 19 characters you can have adopted by your family as siblingsHoping for cute Majin brats in Dis.
>>96516787Multiocular O states that you can fit new eyeballs from its array if you lose your old ones.However, if I allow this to apply with Missed Shape, it's basically free points. I might as well have allowed you to sell all of your slots in Multiocular O. That's why I feel it's more fair to say that you should not be able to fit any new eyes into the slots you give up via Missed Shape. So if you give up both eyes, you make your Multiocular O useless.>>96516802A few more adopted predefined Siblings (and Paxxia herself on the same list, but not adoptive, obviously) representing it directly is the best I can do. I am not adding any more Encounters.You'll likely only get 2 more pages for Sibling stuff, and 1 more page of Inborn Gifts for the main CYOA.>>96516815I do not have deep understanding of the subject myself to give a fair answer, I believe.Maybe early 20th century understanding of most of it would sound reasonable?>>96516879I'll probably change some stuff around in Encounters, but I'm not sure if anything needs to be changed in Youth and Quest sections.
>>96516881Liar. You chose this fate.
>>96516876Shame I ran out of mentor slots/destiny points then
Maybe I just can't read but is it said anywhere what the Befallen Epiarchy is?
>>96516844>PicThis is what Rhucuphrefags want btw.
>>96516844>I couldn't find any pictures which could represent something like that while also having the same character separately in a different imageShoulda made him Thancred bro. Though, finding pics where he's carrying Ryne isn't easy either.
>>96516844Tank if you're done with babysitting reddit, can you please answer some of our questions? here's some of mine:>What's Dream Passage's range? do you need to sleep right next to someone to enter their dreams? can you hope from one dream to another? and what happens if you kill/sex someone in their sleep?>So what's the deal with Caeda? are her dream-learning and teleportation abilities replicable? and who did she make a connection with on the "otherside"?>We know that [SRTR] is sealed inside of a dream, is it possible to locate and free her?>What's the difference between a dream realm and a dungeon? >Can Dirk Yesod tell if that you are born out of [JNPL]? Would that be sufficient enough for him to let go of his grudge against Keter if you have her as a mentor?>What kind of Inborn Gifts do Mithraics have?>What did One's Soul Revolving do,?
>>96516897Mlada's description summarizes it.
>>96516890Since you are talking about encounters, are the two mentor into companion encounters allowed to be taken for free? I didn't know if you needed an empty companion slot for them or it just required you picking them.Also, a small nitpick but shouldn't Serebriyanka and Barsik know Banewhisper since they come from Mamet. Since now there's a language from the continent it feels weird that they only speak Everman.
>>96516890>However, if I allow this to apply with Missed Shape, it's basically free points.Well you've said before the CYOA is full of little 'exploits' like that to get advantages, as a YMRD thing. But it's your ruling, of course.>So if you give up both eyes, you make your Multiocular O useless.You should update it to specifically make them incompatible then, rather than existing in a limbo right now where you can take both but if you do then Multiocular O doesn't function and you wasted points buying it.
>>96516634Mlada the dark cleric who will not worship the Elder Gods but lives their teachings versus Anon the necromancer who worships JNPL like all good Tumens while desecrating the cycle of reincarnation. They fight. for one reason or another, (the Umbral Shore is as good a reason as any) but eventually fate conspires to force them to work together. They argue, because dark clerics are an argumentative sort, but neither can really bring themself to hate the other. The fights and debates eventually become an excuse for sticking by each others sides, and a century or so later each one is finally ready to admit that the other understands them more than anyone else in the world.
>>96516844Can you stop modifying the finished cyoa, or stop posting wip, whichever making updates count as.
>>96516924Your loneliness is entirely your fault.
>>96516922I want a romance with an Empyrean adversary though. More spicy.
>>96516844Will there be more siblings that don't require a death letter/take a companion slot?
>>96516938Nilmatrix is right there bro.
>>96516890>I'll probably change some stuff around in Encounters, but I'm not sure if anything needs to be changed in Youth and Quest sections.I mostly feel like a lot of activities currently presented in Youth is partially covered in some Encounters, while Quest is there to solidify the goal/build. Because the way CYOA presents them, both Encounters and Youth supposed to represent the early life before adulthood (and few years in it for some Encounters). If Youth sections are more of personal interests/hobbies group which you might do between getting eaten by giant drake in Stygia and having a camping trip next week after, it is just my personal misunderstanding otherwise it feels like you now have two sections which technically cover the same field. And potentially Quest which might contradict chosen Encounter? But that's more on player if go Tuzik route with Az while making the world fall into Chaos with Dobrava.
>>96516890Some characters ought to know more languages. Why do Lyndis, Maou, Dirk, Spako, Ielziaseh, and Rhucuphre know so few? And this is just counting the mentors.
>>96516844>previewFucking M*jins. We need to fund the Daemonhunt more.
>>96516890Early 20th is actually very high, unlike physics and chemistry, which exploded recently, mathematics has been easy to contribute to and steadily moving along since ancent times (And then it also exploded with computing)1900's is practically near modern day aside from very specific high level stuff, and fields that only started recentlyI would have assumed 1600-1750 (Newton, calculus, euler)I suppose they are advance enough for wage cuckerySorry for bothering you about something so irrelavent and unknown to youI'll just need to reorient that build around ponzi schemes and organised crimeEncounters do feel awfully limited right now, but that's mainly because you need to pick them, so people heavy builds are left taking almost all of them and needing to contort the plot to fit themI don't think I've actually seen someone take more then one nothing happens, And I can only recall one nothing happens
>>96516957Encounters are affairs that take up from a day to a few weeks at most, the youth section is how you spend your time outside the life changing events that seemingly happen around you at random.
>>96516904>What's Dream Passage's range? do you need to sleep right next to someone to enter their dreams? can you hope from one dream to another? and what happens if you kill/sex someone in their sleep?It's not strictly a range. Think of it closer as astral projecting yourself out of your own dream and then walking around and diving in and out of people's dreams. Dying in a dream, of course, doesn't really mean anything - it's only a dream.>So what's the deal with Caeda? are her dream-learning and teleportation abilities replicable? and who did she make a connection with on the "otherside"?No, they're meant to be a unique gift. I wanted to imply that "someone godly" who gave it to her was [SRTR].>We know that [SRTR] is sealed inside of a dream, is it possible to locate and free her?Yes, but I've not set a definitive location on where the "entrance" could be found.>What's the difference between a dream realm and a dungeon? Dream realm is a category of stuff of which dungeons and people's dreams are a part of. There might be more stuff fitting into the category, but I haven't came up with them yet.>Can Dirk Yesod tell if that you are born out of [JNPL]? Would that be sufficient enough for him to let go of his grudge against Keter if you have her as a mentor?Yes, he should be able to. I think that might be a good excuse, yes.>What kind of Inborn Gifts do Mithraics have?Only some points and character slots of some arbitrary arrangement. You might ask "what about their aptitude for magic?" - well, it's personal gifts. It's just that most of them have either Caster Intuition or Spiritual Feel, but it's treated as a separate thing from racial benefits.>What did One's Soul Revolving do,?It's a secret. Maybe you'll find out if I allow you to pick it one day.>>96516913Yeah. I'll note to specify it.>>96516924No.>>96516943Some, yes.>>96516960Maybe they know languages the Outsider System doesn't have access to in the present time.
>>96515334>Male, (Iotated Greater Yus Zhivete)Patron>[YRMD]Boons [12DP, 14AP]>Halfbreed, Adoption (x2), Dice Fudge (x2), Extra Companion (x2), Outer TideParents [7DP, 14AP]>Phershepa from Erebus (Zelo) / Aat>Jdan Ordo Dorian (Lesser Yus) / Seo (Glagoli Yee)Race [9DP, 16AP]>Majin / Dark ElfCountry/Location [10DP, 17AP]>Old Throne, God-Eater IslandsLanguages [14DP, 17AP]>Insular Auburn>Quitened: Everman, Sylphid, Drakonian, Late Thulean, Simplified Duergar>Tutored: Eirina and Brastat (Auburn)Gifts [13DP, 1AP]>Bitter Sickness, Wereplague x2, Missalliance: Phershepa, Missing Shape: Both Arms>Eternal Curse, Letters of the Damned, Daemonhost, Intelligence, Cognitive Speed, Wisdom, Warmachia Mounting>Thoroughbreeding, Memory Retention, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Kneeling Twilight, Dream Passage, Seraphic Wings>Multiocular O, Starsight (x2), Inner Vision, Autoantecedence, Grim Outlook (x3)>Daemon ex Machina (Grim Outlook x3)-Eyes can now be a vessel for my Daemonhost as well, chosen letters can be Letters of the Damned. Imbuing an item in such a way makes it a living item. It is capable of using its inherent Majin spell and any inherent gifts it has as though the item were its body. The granted gift from Grim Outlook is only available when operated by another but is enhanced. Creates Living Warmachina / Majin halfbreeds when applied to Warmachia. The living items are under the same conditions as created Majin for every other aspect. Increases the normal letters that can be applied with curses by one to a max of four. Can produce tears on demand as long as my Majin creation limit isn't reached. Mentors [8DP, 1AP]>Eirina of the Orthrung (Let the Purgation Begin, Greater Yus)>Mlada (Respawning Point, Shta Yee)
>>96516961It's all pandaemonium, bro. No Majin government backs them, and most Majin don't know about them.
>>96516985KILL ALL MAJINS
>>96516844Can I be related to spako?Is there any possible way to have spako be my sister?Can I use a yee to force someone to die before I am born and then make them my sibling?
Rolled 44 (1d45)>>96516984Companions [0DP, 0AP]>Darina Tempo-Achaena (In My Machine Spirit, Remember the Demon)>[YRMD]>Brastat, syn Rarruta (Upward Spiral, Ouk)>Empty (A Bridge, A Toll, A Troll)>Empty (A Score of Orcs)Youth>Natural Philosophy, Uplifting, Magical Training, Power TestingQuest>Temperantia Fusing Warmachina with Majin to create a new path for the Old Throne to thrive and defeat the Ecumene advance. Going with the full mental package and caster spec. Going to fully lean on Jdan and Seo for support as I learn from them. Jdan knowing the future can advise me on viable paths forward and steer me from pitfalls in research on Warmachina. Eirina, Mlada, and Seo are there to provide new routes to explore with magic and learn more in the future as I research and develop more esoteric techniques. Brastat, Darina, and Jdan can help on Warmachina, particularly Brastat. Darina, Seo, and my own desire to do a favor for Aat will have me try and extract Bal from Darina’s dream realm as well, perhaps by developing a technique for imbuing her from the dream into a warmachina. Since it is a conduit for the nightmare to invade, it’s best to deal with that even if 0^0 is the more immediate threat. I'm going to hopefully acquire prosthetic arms early on, at worst I can create a Majin to make some for me after advising them or if nothing else make Majin imbued arms from a gauntlet, but Jdan should be able to help with a problem I no doubt had in the previous timeline.Rolling for my letter.
>>96516064Name: T̵̙̬̥͉̥̤̿̆͗͐R̷̼̠̘̮͚͕͆̇̾̈́͒̿̑̃̊͒̚͠U̴͔͈͑̎͑̋̂̐̂̊E̶̢̛̝͆̎̌̏̉͗̌̑͠͝͠͝ ̸͚̣̿͌̃͠D̵̳̜̭̏̀̀̐̆̃̇̓̂͂͘͠E̶̡̦͇͉̖̘͔͎̳̱̫̤̎́M̸̡̨̛̱̘̬̜͕͙͕͎̥͉̫̯̖͂͂Ỏ̷̩͕͍̞̫͔̭̭͚̣̬̈́̀̓̏͐̍͝N̴̡̜̖̺̫̔̄͊̎́̓͘Patron God: 0^0Perks: Dice Fudge(Keter), Adoption(Keter), Extra Companion x2, Burn the Future x18 (Outer Tide)Birth Parents: Maiosara Yesod, PirAdoption: KeterRace: MajinLanguages: Everman, Spriggan (all else quietened)(Puxuluxun tutored everman)Location: Dis>giftsBitter Sickness, WereplagueLetters of the Damned (Izhitsa), Longevity, Royal Claim (Malkuth)Multiocular O, Overflowing Pupil x2, Grim outlook x3 (autoantecedence), Starsight x2, Sight Beyond Sight Beyond Sight x2, Look of Chaos x2, Oculus of Human Goodness x2, Evil Eye x2Intelligence, Wisdom, Memory Retention, Caster Intuition, Cognitive Speed, Spiritual Feel, AttentivenessBestial Strength, Second Wind, Martial InstinctIron Stomach, Spirit Tap x1, Touch of Embedded Rust x1, Blazing Seal, Devout Signature, Dream Passage x2, Seraphic WingsMentors: Jdan, Pukluxun, UpunthCompanions: ZhuchkaEncounters: Nothing Ever Happens (Jdan), Just a Nightmare (Upunth), Hidden Amidst the Clouds (Pukluxun), Let the Purgation Begin (Zhuchka), all Uruk (minus gremlin) >Deaths: BukiMaiosara Yesod [Tsy]Pir [On]Keter [Zelo, Zhivete]Jdan [Slovo]Sukluxun [Shta]Upunth [Myslete]Zhuchka [Greater Yus]Youth: Power Testing, Magical Training, Treasure Hunting, PandaemoniumQuest: Ameno
>>96516985Anon Thaumiel 100% is releasing that bitter sickness in Dis.
>>96516989Smh, the Majin take all the blame while Dark Elves are the ones pulling Pandaemonium's strings.
>>96516997The Elder Gods control this world. Uncountable nascent divinities trapped in their web, forced to dance to their song, to play their roles, and for what? So that they may one day inflict the same torture on others?The True dragons, Vtorusha, and 0^0 were no different. They sought not to oppose the Elder Gods, but to emulate them. To bring others to heel and force them to accept their own idea of Meaning.I seek to create a world free from the tyranny of the gods, to destroy the pillars and bring the world back to its natural state. A world without words, a world of pure thought, pure dream, pure Meaning. A world of total freedom.To this end, everything is justified. Whatever I can take from fate must be taken. I have selected my parentage to yield the most amount of points possible. As such I possess 7 eye gifts, all mental gifts, a fair number of martial gifts, and several utility gifts.My Multiocular O loadout is strong, but perhaps the strongest is Grim Outlook x3. This allows for a multitude of combinations for cursed objects, and it why I have taken several gifts like Spirit Tap, Touch of Embedded Rust, and Devout Signature.For example, a cursed weapon with the gifts of Touch of Embedded Rust, Iron Stomach, Blazing Seal, and the letters of Iotated Ouk, Yest, and Psi. A weapon like this might allow me to break down and absorb some forms of divine power. Or maybe not. I will have to spend a long time experimenting with various effects. Absorbing the corpses of past outsiders is a goal, though.1/2
>>96516995>44
>>96516872That's not very gay of you, anon.
>>965170042/2I am starting in Dis. My Letter of the Damned, Izhitsa (I'm choosing it, so if you don't want to include me in tide idc), represents infinite possibility. It is the last known letter of the God-Script and has given me a very demonic appearance. Dis is one of the few places where I could live in relative peace. It is also a place where the nightmare is potent. I will spend much of my youth searching for knowledge beneath the city. With Upunth's teaching and my gifts, I hope to harness the power of the nightmare for myself. If I cannot effectively use it to my own ends, I would like to research how to destroy the corruption or mitigate its spread. Of course I am aligned with Pandaemonium, as they share my ideals. Except, I will not play into YMRDs hand. I will not reset the universe only to have it fall back under the control of the Elder Gods. Only time will tell if I can prevent this outcome.I will use the teachings of the True Dragons as well as Pukluxun and Zhuckha to cultivate a new form of worldly divinity. One that will help me spread my ideals, and empower myself as well as my followers.I haven't decided on an appropriate effect for my autoantecedence, so if anyone has any suggestions please say
>>96516844Overflowing pupil says you can be permanently shunted in the emanation if original body is killed. How does being an emanation affect you? Can you still use the eye after that (I'd guess only with x2)?
>>96516997>Birth Parents: Maiosara Yesod, Pir>Adoption: KeterGreat, another one.
>>96516978Do the Encounters that make a mentor into a companion guaranteed after their mentorship ends take an empty "encounter slot" (aka. nothing ever happens or all along some other companion/mentor), or are they just free Encounters?
>>96517021Objectively, practically, why even do that with Outer Tide?
>>96517033So you can bother the other Hermits
>>96517021Pointsmaxxing is not only correct, you are morally obligated to do so. If I were to fail because I didn't take strong options, who could I blame but myself?Taking every opportunity I can is the only way I can live without regrets. Even if I die, I will know that I did everything I could.
>>96517033For those DELICIOUS points.
>>96517021>>96517033Quit wasting words on them, minmaxers won't ever understand meaning. Erginter being the only outsider to ever have the favor of no gods should be a hint, but they're blind to it.
>>96517046>not becoming the Elder God of munchkinsThis too is a common audience to appeal to.Else, litrpgs and half the xianxia genre would not exist.
>>96517046>ONLY THE THINGS THAT I SAY ARE MEANINGFUL ARE MEANINGFUL!!!Elder God propaganda.If minmaxing doesn't add Meaning to your story, then it doesn't. But you don't get to decide what is and isn't Meaningful in my story.
>>96517042Making yourself weak actually makes you stronger. Trust me bro.
>>96516978Not the language anon, but some of the Everman-only parents do feel like they're missing a language. Like it's weird that single-mom Serebryanka can only be placed in Dis unless you tutor her when she's described as living in Arcadia.
>>96517042>Pointsmaxxing is not only correct, you are morally obligated to do so.Rationalization at its finest. You're not obligated to anything in OR, up and including playing the CYOA.>If I were to fail because I didn't take strong options, who could I blame but myself?People are winning with Unnotable Parents and no Gifts. If you can't weave a story where you do, blame your lackluster imagination, not the points pool.>>96517046I just don't understand. What's the point of making meaningful choices if you just pick everything?
>>96517046Bro YMRD herself said that was just because she chose the wrong one. Erginter would've been fine if she chose SRTR as her patron, her story just bored YMRD.
>>96517072It's even stranger that two unnotable humans can't live anywhere but Dis. I guess they know languages not known to the outsider system.
>>96517046Vtorusha picked mother for her gifts and killed her for convenience.Savmak tried to minxmax around having no mentors and companions.Yphont outright cheated with points with YMRD blessing to make her build.Sarmat choices are equivalent of Dobrava trick.
>>96516957Youth option is the more general focus, while Encounters are extra specific. Just because you've decided to visit a dungeon one time doesn't mean it contradicts you not choosing to dedicate your early years to Dungeoneering.>>96516967Well, since I am not actually stating it anywhere in the CYOA and only discussing the idea here, you can decide it to be any range you want. It's just a CYOA, after all.Maybe if I remove the Location restriction from half of the Encounters on the first page it would be better.>>96516990No, the predefined Siblings are solely those you obtain from choosing to be born or adopted by someone who is also present on the lists and has family. Spako has no displayed family, so you cannot get any benefits on that front.>>96517016After you are shunted into it it's just your new normal body. I think the last time I was asked that I answered that you should still be able to use it?I kind of don't want to go and check my previous answer because it's just overflowing to the point that looking through it is bothersome. I kind of wish people would stop asking me random stuff, but I don't want to reject them for engaging and caring about what I've made.>>96516911>>96517030What do you mean by "free"?It works like this:You have a Mentor. You Encounter them. And then you Encounter them again with one of those Mentor-only ones.And Serebryanka did not come from Mamet. Her Aranea group came straight to the Doria continent through the entrance in the Lost City.Barsik came from a different kingdom, the language of which is not shown.>>96517072Yeah, I just didn't think of it. Maybe I'll give her Auburn.
>>96516995What would a Theta spell even be?"Vulgar" and anti Fiert are not much to go on.
>>96517079>just SRTRLol. Lmao even.
>>96517068>ONLY THE THINGS THAT I SAY ARE MEANINGFUL ARE MEANINGFUL!!!Elder Gods like when you cheat and make it fun for them.
>>96517079>YOU CAN ONLY TELL THE TYPE OF STORY THAT I LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!kill all elder gods
>>96517079You're talking to 0^0 disciples.
>>96517021Daily reminder that Keter rapes anybody who does the language trick.
>me very smart, me Keter adoption for moooor pointsSamey fans should just go post on Reddit honestly, they add absolutely nothing here.>but much other choicesDoesn't matter, you're already proven to have no creativity.
>>96517033They're clever enough to do exploits but not clever enough to realize they'd just get quarantined with the hermits.
>>965171000^0 was a meaningfag. Have you seen her choices?
>>96516978>Dying in a dream, of course, doesn't really mean anything - it's only a dream.What about killing an Empyrean spirit in the dream?>It's a secret. Maybe you'll find out if I allow you to pick it one day.Speaking of Gifts, will Darina's gift list ever be revealed? I really want to know what makes her so special.One last thing, I hope the JNPL mother option gets buffed somewhat. As for right now, its agonisingly crippling to do a build with her. And I don't mean add/reduce points, I'm talking about an edge (death of the author alone is not enough to justify her cost) or exploit that makes her option worth it. Also since the free race choice you get with her was made semi-illegal par your words, it made taking her that much harder to justify. In summary [JNPL]momdom is narratively cool but mechanical horrendous as a option.
>Slotblocked from taking Starsight x2 by some shitty inherited eye I don't want>If I bought Multiocular O I would only have two sets of eyes in it, completely wasting 6 slots>Don't want to take Bitter Sickness like literally everyone else just for more eyes to justify purchasing Multiocular O
>>96517107No one wants to read about your rape fetish, tok.
>>96517086By "Free" they mean that you get the mentor as first a mentor and then a companion with no extra cost
>>96517079>Pick everything Stop flanderizing yourself, anon. Even with +20 DP from keterquieting, you're limited by slots and AP. The most I've noticed is like 9 out of the 40 non-dice-fudge mentors/companions being taken, and that required sacrificing quite some AP on buying more slots.
It's funnyy how there is a war about Meaning inside and outside the CYOA.
keter seethers are just mad they can't true love her
>>96517107It's only hot when Paxxia does it.
>>96517086>What do you mean by "free"?Say I only have one mentor, by description, I only have one encounter per mentor or companion. But I'd need to take the mentor regular encounter, plus that other one, therefore needing two Encounters.If I had two mentors, All Alonged one and encountered the other via a regular encounter, I'd have one encounter remaining encounter to use on the second mentor, which would be the mentor only encounter.
>>96517086Can you buff the Insular language bonuses in the next update.Something like letting them get one or both of their language's other bonus would go a long way toward making them more viable or just buffing their effects. Some like Everman are just downright bad compared to what you lose by not choosing other options.And thanks for the update. Has been a lot of fun going over it to make builds.Out of curiosity, are there any plot hooks or pieces of lore that you added that people haven't noticed yet?
>>96517110No one is clever because they did an exploit, they just read about it wither here or on reddit.
>>96517114Gifts aren't as good as this general likes to think. The strongest outsiders became so because of their skills and mentors. Death of the Author is very strong, it's a wincon against 0^0 in itself. I don't think it needs a buff.But formalizing being able to pick restricted race options would be cool. Divine power can't affect your body, so Charlie can't block you from taking those other races. Or something like that.
>>96517095Correct, and the same trick repeated 999 times is very unfun
>>96517110>build with exploits>Viscious Mockery>you get shunted in the hermitage>not even a build reviewLosses upon losses
What is it about the Keter trick that makes thirdies seethe so much?
>>96517123>and that required sacrificing quite some AP on buying more slotsMajority of Keter trick builds doesn't seem to go all the way with maximizing Parents gifts with Misalliance before casting the parents out with Death Letters.And DP starving can be better countered with language-location exploit combo of Palatiner with few others and few specific locations anyway.
>>96517172My build review for my joke build was way higher rated than my actual build so fuck that guy.
>>96517086How tricked out was the sound system for Vtorusha’s big mech? Surely she didn’t go into battle without the appropriate music.
>>96517180>thirdiesErginterfags love the trick though?
>>96517183Palatiner + Simplified Duergar + Benewhisper combo is better than Keter trick. But none of these retards know about that one so they don't care.
>>96517133Its the reason outer tide is a trap desu, half the worlds are stuck in a Meaning civil war.
>>96517184Perhaps you are funnier then you are wise?
>>96517184Probably because it made him smile. It's that simple.
>>96517192Everyone knows about that.
>>96517114>What about killing an Empyrean spirit in the dream?Ah, that would work. But you also could just kill them outside of the dream they "spawn" in when they're enroute to their body.>Speaking of Gifts, will Darina's gift list ever be revealed? I really want to know what makes her so special.I thought about it, but there's a risk of readers going "What, that's it? How lame!". Maybe it'd be better to keep that a secret.>One last thing, I hope the JNPL mother option gets buffed somewhat.I might go and state that you can pick one of the Extended Races openly, but there's a problem in that there's just not enough space to specify every single limitation of what you can and cannot do with it in [JNPL]'s Mother's description. Just adding the lines about 0^0 not paying attention to her was already a bit difficult.>>96517122Well, there's no cost displayed anywhere for turning your Mentor into a Companion. You can also just do it manually. So yes, it's free.>>96517150The two Mentor-only Encounters can be added on top of anything you choose for them previously.>>96517152Yes, I already have a long list of things I've noted I need to fix or buff or nerf (Maiosara is likely losing one of her eyes and her Multiocular O, but getting some new gift in return, for example).>Out of curiosity, are there any plot hooks or pieces of lore that you added that people haven't noticed yet?The dark clerics derived their spell stealing techniques from the same instance of Vtorusha stealing Multiocular O. Don't know if anyone noticed.
>>96517184Has that guy done another build review recently?
>>96517210>I already have a long list of things I've noted I need to fixI hope you were given a list of few grammar mistakes still present.
>>96517192Having to buy slots for that to urukmax makes it a lot worse, actually. Assuming you're not pulling a Savmak.
>>96517183I'm waiting for the full complete list of exploits before making my build. I will never job to Anon.
>>96517210There was a trick somewhere about using a language bonus to get +2 for every whatever and then picking the extra sibling option an infinite amount of times and ending the world with izhitsaDoes that work?>>96517213YesIt's still not on the combined rentry but I don't want to ask the guy
>>96517210>Maiosara is likely losing one of her eyes and her Multiocular O, but getting some new gift in return, for example>Making Maiosara a shitty pic for a mom just because one anon was whiningBoo.
>>96517210>The dark clerics derived their spell stealing techniques from the same instance of Vtorusha stealing Multiocular O. Don't know if anyone noticed.Neat, I saw that and thought it was a Tenyota version of Starsight that had spread.
>>96517210Among the maps, there is a very detailed one about the Underground and Yphont's time in it. Why go the extra mile for them?
>>96517086>I kind of wish people would stop asking me random stuffI suppose it's because the cyoa encourages digging into details.>After you are shunted into it it's just your new normal body.That's actually pretty powerful even without going into exploitative shit like item duplication via suicide.
>>96517164>Gifts aren't as good as this general likes to think. Hard disagree, while they aren't end all be all of the cyoa, they are the core which your build is made around. Even the Outsiders which supposedly made do without buying gifts, got them in other ways (Aat fierting Xian and Erginter gift-stealing tricks).>The strongest outsiders became so because of their skills and mentors. That's is true, too bad you can't get many mentors due to them costing 2 ancestry points per slot which [JNPL] insures you'll never have enough of.>Death of the Author is very strong, it's a wincon against 0^0 in itself. I don't think it needs a buff."wincon" is a bit of stretch, its an extra life at best and becomes obsolete once Charlie catches on. View of Fore gives you the same thing for much cheaper AND can be used repeatedly.Its a bit strange that you claim that gifts aren't important but turn around and exaggerate the importance of DoTA which is just a super gimmicky gift.
>>96517210The probably with nerfs is that when you have these huge builds built on 20 pages of interacting mechanics, pulling a single thread (by nerfing something they're using,) can unravel the entire thing and require ALL that work be completely thrown out. That's fine for hurting people taking advantage of an obvious oversight (like the Keter thing) but what about when it ruins a normal, legitimate build that just can't function with one or two lost points?
Just give Wisdom or Intelligence to all the Misalliance bait characters.
>>96517210>but getting some new gift in return, for example).I beg, don't make it one of the gifts caster builds want
>>96517251>ruining the exploitBoo
>>96517258Is this some reverse psychology thing? Idiot.
>>96517086If it's helpful, here's my list of parents that have their stated or suggested starting location blocked off by languages:Yen - has nothing that would let her be in the empireSerebryanka - Auburn for arcadiaVesryn - Auburn for old throne regionSharik and Barsik - Neither of these have a particular location implied, but they also don't really feel like Dis charactersSyllia, Ratha, Pu'un, Lu'ut - can't pick a starting location at all as single parents or when paired together, because they only know dead languages.(dice fudged mentors can have similar issues, but eh, dice fudging is always gonna have some weirdness)
>>96517249>exaggerate the importance of DoTAYou just need 1 good opening on 0^0 to win. If you have an opening, you can use something like Ota or another instant win effect. Death of the Author gives you that ability from the start.
>>96517226My biggest exploit was five pages of fun write up I did about how big war and defeat of Charlie went and how I solved/work on plot lines I picked up after I finished my solo build which I didn't even bother to post.
>>96517265yes, it'll make her a genuinely dogshit choice since it means martial fags are wasting points and casters can't misalliance her.
Who is worthy of of the malice option?
>>96517280Alezandre or something.
>>96517277So you just hate her or something and don't want her to ever be picked?
>>96517280Hladvig and Alezandre are the only one likely to stick if you tide.
>>96517284I hate nerfing stuff for dumb reasons and want to make sure it ruins the character so everyone else hates it too
>>96517273>You just need 1 good opening on 0^0 to win. If you have an opening, you can use something like Ota or another instant win effect. That's exactly what Keter and the Orthung Elves thought. Now look at them.
>intelligence>warmachina mounting>auburn insular>brastat + ouk>icon of iconsLet me guess. You need more?
>>96517297I'm built different.
>>96517231No.>>96517224Some, yes.>>96517189Maybe she had Pervak on standby playing on that musical Outsider relic Alisa has.>>96517240If I am making a map for everything, I should also make a map for the Underground. But the Underground in the present is very empty, so it'd be pointless. So, I might as well make a map of when it was at its height in terms of interesting stuff.At first, the descriptions there were more on the level of how old Orthrung's map was. And then I looked at it and thought it was lame, so I scrapped it and started over, going overboard.I also thought to do the same for Orthrung again, but it's just 4 countries on a small continent, I don't really need to bother.>>96517232She really does have too many points in value. She'll still have two magical eyes. And maybe the new gift will be cool, you never know.>>96517250All builds are destined to be ruined when something is updated. I am really not concerned. When something I like is updated, I never go "oh no, this means my old build is no longer valid!", that's completely alien to me.>>96517268Those who only know dead languages fit the Elven refugee category. I think it's suitable.
>>96517180>thirdies not being the soulless powerfags like the dbzspicsnice projection thirdie
>>96517299Need? No, Want? Yes. Also just make better mechs instead of relying on Jobber of Jobbers.
>>96517210Are you gonna make Keter non-dice fudgeable so people don't spend half the thread complaining about yet another bud doing that again?
>>96517299>mecha in fantasyI'm good. All I need is Daemonhost, Wisdom, and Cognitive Speed.
>>96517315He also had Intelligence.
>>96517315>No intelligenceGuess someone wants to lose
>>96517315>no Icon of IconsDestined to lose once they ramp up.
>>96517308>trying to substitute robots for the power of friendshipMeaningless behavior. Instant job.>>96517315>no intelligencengmi
>>96517315>All I need is the best gift in the game AND some mental gifts tooWhy don’t you ask for a massage while you’re at it?
>>96517303>She really does have too many points in valueShame, I liked her like that. It made her an even bigger potentialwoman if you bothered to help her out.
parents are point dispensers, nothing more
>>96517326Just like you did, Charlie?
>>96517345Charlie won thoughever
>>96517334Daemonhost is not the best gift, it is however, tied for the best singular gift. Autoantecedence bullshit is better, so are all mental gifts together.
>>96517307Doesn't take All-Glimpse to notice how the only posts with consistent misspellings and grammar errors are the ones complaining about other builds.
>>96517303>She'll still have two magical eyesGrim Outlook 1 isn't worth it desu. Basically makes buying Multiocular with her mandatory so you can get two good eyes.
>>96517303>that's completely alien to me.Some people are attached to their build and want to use it in future versions, rather than throwing it out and making something different. That build becoming invalidated ruins their ability to have fun.
>>96517381Fuck em. That's not a good reason not to update a CYOA.They can pretend like the new version doesn't exist if they don't like it.
>>96517280No one, because Malice requires that you simp for Charlotte
>>96517387That's a good reason not to nerf things that aren't obvious exploits, though.
>>96517303Are you surprised by the any of the pick counts for the characters or gifts?https://rentry.org/outer_reincarnation_information#pick-count
>>96517315You will never be Aat.
I wonder if only the high point value parents will be nerfed while completely disregarding those with things like Demonhost, Royal Claim and Warmachine Mounting, even if those are worth 5 points or more.If anything adoption should be gutted.
>>96517404It'd be nice to know who's being nerfed so people won't waste time making builds with them.
>>96517355You can't even kill Keter & Co., and your daughter doesn't love you. You'll die to the next retard that spawns via the system, it's over.
>>96517407>Playing the game in its current version is wasting time
>>96517407V3, if it ever happens, won't be out for years most likely. It's irrelevant.
>>96517412Yes, spending hours on something that'll be undone is pointless. I'm no Buddhist monk.>>96517415It sounds like he's going to do a small update with 2 new pages soon.
>>96517415Yeah, he's working on LOTM right now so doubt an update's coming soon
The CYOA is already fairly well balanced. Retards screeching because they picked the shittiest options on purpose should be promptly ignored.
>>96517422Nothing is undone. Version 1 still exists, and version 2 will exist forever if you insist on down-patching.
Maoisarafags on suicide watch rn LMAOOO
>>96517431Anyone who can’t beat Charlotte with an Overstep only build deserves contempt.
>>96517443>GiftsYou didn't beat the CYOA
>>96517436>Dude just play the old versionNo, I want to play the new one.
>>96517392If one option is unintentionally much stronger than the others so everyone who wants to disregard the story just picks it, then you can consider that an issue. I can assure you that if Maiosara is nerfed those who had her in their build will just go to the next most point efficient option, meaning that her being the parent was never relevant to them.
>>96517443If you can't beat Charlie with an all missed shape, all maladies, 0^0 as patron and mentor with Buki, max burn the past and future, unnotable parents build, then you're a nepo baby who needs his hand held to accomplish anything.
>>96517456I'm not even worried about Maiosara, though I'm sure there are people who took her legit and leaned into martial eyespam with her and they're unfairly harmed. I'm worried about him also targeting something I'm using, my sympathy for the Maiosarafags is just born of the knowledge he could also hit me by messing up a mentor I took or something.
>>96517463Charlotte would be terrified if you somehow managed to win.
>>96517447Unnotable One x2 Sibling x17 Everman Insular No Gifts No Mentors No Companions All Uruk Encounters Self: Buki is the one true build
>>96517303What are nightmare monsters like, in appearance and lifestyle?How well does >>96512366 fit actual OR magic?Was it possible Keter could've won or was she a side character from the start?
>>96517463>a nepo baby who needs his hand held to accomplish anythingThats Charlie.
Notice how silent keterquieters are, they know what they did wrong and are hiding in fear of the author demolishing their shitty excuse of a build. You can't escape the nerfGOD.
https://rentry.co/ORbuildrate1Not the build rating anon but I made a Hall of Fame based on the build ratings.Strongest:The Book of the Damned SHe'el S-Fu'uq, the Pixie Bomber S-Most Destined:The Book of the Damned A+Foolish Dreamer A+Liadan - Unbegotten Dreamer A+Aphainoumenos, Last Demon Prince A+Most Comfy:Aurum Arc the Golden Finger A+Vëe the Dream Librarian AQueen of Mamet A-HeWillWin A-Liadan - Unbegotten Dreamer A-Most Fun:Liadan - Unbegotten Dreamer AFlagellant Gambler A-The Jötunnsdrottninggen A-Fu'uq, the Pixie Bomber A-Most Longevity:Aphainoumenos, Last Demon Prince ???He'el ???/50The Book of the Damned 300+ YearsThe Silk Matron 300+ YearsLed 300+ YearsMer 300+ YearsFu'uq, the Pixie Bomber 300+ YearsWeakest:Aurum Arc the Golden Finger E-Vëe the Dream Librarian EDemonic nightmare maker D-Queen of Mamet D-Mer D-Least Destined:Orkhalorkhan E-Common Man EMer E+One-Woman Band E+Least Comfy:Manusya, the Unwritten F-Flagellant Gambler E-Fu'uq, the Pixie Bomber EArs Goetia E+Least Fun:Goku D-The White Prophet DOrkhalorkhan D+Least Longevity:Orkhalorkhan 5 monthsPrince Aureole 18 yearsHeWillWin 23 yearsCommon Man 24 yearsGodslayer Punchardt 27 yearsNeophyte Sevastian:Neophyte Sevastian
>>96517431Balanced things do not have shitty options, retard. And certainly do not have options that give 3 times more points free of consequence.
>>96517456>if Maiosara is nerfed those who had her in their build will just go to the next most point efficient optionOk, and? What does that accomplish?You haven't stopped people from minmaxing even a little. You're just punishing them because you don't like it, for some reason.
>>96517412Look like the current version was posted when the next was already in progress, should have just wait and finish the next 3 pages, unless the update talk about was written within the last 2-3 weeks.
>>96517483It makes minmaxfags seethe. That's enough of an accomplishment.
>>96517481>most comfy build is the weakestWhat did JNPL mean by this?
>>96517482That's right. Everyone needs to be the same to have good balance. Final destination, no gifts, unnotable only.
>>96517484Yes, never publish finished work just keep revising until you burn out great rpocess
>>96517474>What are nightmare monsters like, in appearance and lifestyle?
>>96517481>Least Fun:>Goku D-bitch nigga
>>96517480Don't make a peep.
>>96517494>final battle is you and charlotte with no gifts punching each other in the mudkino
>>96517501>blank pictureSo they look like nothing??
>>96517513>in the mudVtorusha...I kneel...
>>96517483So it makes the choice more relevant, now if they want to just pick the best choice they are not gaining nowhere near as much, meaning that their choices have to make more sense rather than just making a shopping build with no cohesion.I'm starting to think that a much better solution would be to give her intelligence on top of everything else, now those that Misalliance her will forever be known as not that smart.
>>96517505TAAAAAAAAANK! THEY'RE OVER HEEEEERE!
>>96517514Do you have eyes anon, she is right there.
>>96517520Such people will never reform, they're going to actually get even more vicious since they have no overhead for 'fun' or 'flavorful' picks, they will now only and aggressively pick the absolute best things, making them more similar to each other.
>>96517491Not an argument.>>96517520>their choices have to make more senseNo, lol. People interested in minmaxxing will just go to the next best option, regardless of if it "makes sense" or not. Even the other seething retard figured that out.
>>96517313I'm thinking of changing her "Languages: Any" into "Languages: Any One" to deal with it.>>96517336Well, I'll think about it a bit more. We'll see how I'll feel after a few years and with a new gift selection ready to be distributed to new characters.>>96517374That's just optimisation in you talking. There's nearly always something that'd be "mandatory" regardless of who you pick.>>96517381Things being incorrect ruins my ability to have fun.>>96517474If you squint at the image for Things That Shouldn't Be Encounter, you'll see a figure behind the bars as a kind of suitable example.Generally, I imagine them as something horrible looking that's hard to describe, like something a bad AI would make while simultaneously being hard to distinguish, like something in, well, a dream.The actual magic I was thinking of was more about saying more complicated and long sentences, putting accent on different letters in them to emphasise different effects. Sentences can go on for very long and have many interlocking parts.But the RYOA still looks cool, maybe you could treat it as an abstraction of that.The Keter could have theoretically won if she made better decisions before engaging in her final battle. But that's just saying "Yes, she could have won if she had done stuff she needed to win". I don't think she's a side character.I thought to write down her whole final battle at some point like I did for War of Fakers (twice) before, but I shouldn't. Writefaggotry is very hard and time consuming, I slowed down on my CYOA production before specifically because I was tied down by my promise to finish the War of Fakers I could not fulfil in time.
Patching exploits is a good thing because it means I get to go exploit-hunting again on the new version. The pursuit of exploits brings more joy than any build which uses a known one.
>>96517543>I'm thinking of changing her "Languages: Any" into "Languages: Any One" to deal with it.Make sure to do the same to Thaumiel.
No one picked Ifek as father despite him also giving 14 points.
>>96517543>I'm thinking of changing her "Languages: Any" into "Languages: Any One" to deal with it.Could change it from "Any" to "Yours" if you just want to nerf quieting.
>>96517543>I'm thinking of changing her "Languages: Any" into "Languages: Any One" to deal with it.The absolute state of Keterkeks
>>96517557That's because nobody wants to be a Dark Elf. Also he has Cognitive Speed (the mind gift that's good for casters AND martials) so Misalliance on him actually hurts both caster and martial builds.
>>96517557Everyone wants Cognitive Speed
>>96517543>"Languages: Any" into "Languages: Any One"You want retards picking Godscript from the beginning then?
>>96517563>nobody wants to be a Dark ElfIs Eternal Curse really that bad?
>>96517557>4 gifts most builds don't give a fuck about>Cognitive speed randomly thrown in there
>>96517557Misalliance Ilfek would take away cognitive speed, remember that these are also the people who need to take all mind gifts for a build to be valid.
>>96517543>Generally, I imagine them as something horrible looking that's hard to describe, like something a bad AI would make while simultaneously being hard to distinguish, like something in, well, a dream.I imagine if you're using Thaumiel's magic, you can refine your nightmares into something more distinct and 'solid'.
>>96517513>>96517543>I'm thinking of changing her "Languages: Any" into "Languages: Any One" to deal with it.keeek keterfags got reked
>>96517580FUCK
>>96517571If you want to have a comfy life it’s awful.
>>96517580That's a good thing. Keter deserves love and not being a forced single mom
>>96517551This anon gets it. True YMRD disciple behavior.
>>96517571It's something that one of the other Outsiders specifically wasn't able to fix, you're stuck with it.
>>96517589
>>96517586Fuck what KEKter deserves, it ruins my whole build because of a few whiners ffs
>>96517557I did it on my comfy build with him and Serebryanka. Just never shared it, because it was mostly fluff.
>>96517589Ew, the shitty nerfed version of Conduit.
ULTIMATE STRUGGLER BUILD>patron0^0>perksNone>parentsUnnotable One (muddish)Unnotable One (muddish)>raceMuddish>languagesEverman (don't even think about learning another human language from Doria)>locationDis>giftsNone>mentorsNone>companionsNone>encountersA Bridge, a Toll, a TrollA Band of OgresA Score of OrcsA Hop, a Lean, a HobgoblinA Pack of GoblinsA Lone Gremlin>deathsStrugglechad: BukiMother: NashFather: On>youthEmancipation>questJustitia0^0 is the ultimate hypocrite. She earned nothing, yet took everything. The only way to truly defeat her, morally, philosophically, and mentally, is to do it with your strength alone. Refuse the hand of fate, and forge your own path.
>>96517597
>>96517593Isn't it 2? Pretty sure Yphont and Aat collaborated to find a fix for it and failed.
>>96517598That stupid trick gives you 20 fucking points. It's just numerically stupid.
>>96517580No, TRUE Keterfags take her as a companion and fix her, not make her suffer being your babysitter and teaching you 700 languages.
>>96517607Technically but Aat wasn't as dedicated to it as Yphont, he had his fingers in a lot of pies.
>>96517605
>>96517612She misses having a family anon. Losing it is one of her biggest regrets.
True chads give Keter Yat.
>>96517616
>>96517603These builds are honestly more meaningless than minmax munchkins. They can only be redeemed with writefagging but they always just post a chad picture like that's a replacement for any kind of thought that goes into a build..
>>96517609DP, which isn't half as scarce as AP
>>96517543>I'm thinking of changing her "Languages: Any" into "Languages: Any One" to deal with it.Lame way out. But I will still make her my mom and have One to take care of both of us in the next version.However, don't forget Thaumiel too and fix other language exploits >>96517183>>96517192 though.
>>96517625
>>96517603>no missing shapeYou didn't earn those arms and legs, they were a handout from parents that you never deserved.
>>96517627>buildsYou mean there is more of that kind? I think Aurum Arc had a similar gimmick, but the guy wrote something and the picture wasn't of chad.
>>96517630You're not losing out on AP from doing it, you're doing better than most people since you get all the AP you spent on parents back.
>>96517632>other language exploitsthat's not an exploit you fucking retardit literally the intended effect
>>96517634
>>96517593There's a Stygia encounter which positions you very well to cure it, though. Yphont and Aat were never able to get their respective sides to work together on the issue, but you have the opportunity to change that.
>>96517645
>>96517641Adoption has nothing to do with Keter>You're not losing out on AP from doing itYou are, because half of the language bonuses which can give you AP directly or indirectly require that you not inherit them.
>>96517642Same with Keter language refund.You get free points because you pick options to enable it.
>>96517653>Adoption has nothing to do with KeterYet it has everything to do with the keter trick
>>96517651
>>96517639In the general sense of cyoa builds that choose to forego the options presented and go in with the most barebones build.
>"this option does X">take option>it does XWTF BROS NEW EXPLOIT FOUND!!!!!!
>>96517618She will know you just made her adopt you, that's not a family someone would appreciate. Even True Loving her is better, the best option though, is either getting her with your natural charm, charisma, etc. Or fixing both her and Thaumiel so they can help you defeat Charlie to live their Yuri fanfic later.
>>96517664
>>96517666That's because intentionally hamstringing yourself and picking dogshit options isn't actually meaningful at all.
>>96517653>half of the language bonuses which can give you AP directly or indirectly require that you not inherit themPolyglots deserve to suffer desu
>>96517667Heh. I'm so smart for thinking of this.
>>96517543Remove the language bonuses and give more starting points to compensate. They’re just more math and more exploits. They should only serve their purpose as languages and not point dispensers.
>>96517672
>>96517668>Anon shows Keter he trusts her with his life at his weakest and most vunerable
>>96517630Misalliance is the broken AP thing. Just get some dark elf parent and you have +15 AP with not drawbacks. If anything, dark elf parent should always give Eternal Curse to their children even if they are not dark elves. Also parent cost rebalance was urgently needed after Misalliance was introduced. I'm speaking about that parent efficiency table.
>>96517682
>>96517668>Character: Explicitly wants a family>Player: Sets up fate so she gets a family again>You: No she actually hates that because reasons
>>96517684>you are most vulnerable when you are guaranteed to live because fate decreed so, actually
>>96517689
>>96517687Misalliance just makes parentage as a whole less interesting.
>>96517694>Death is the only bad thing that can happen to a defenseless infant
>>96517697
>>96517687>dark elf parent should always give Eternal Curse to their children even if they are not dark elvesbased
>>96517693>Taking care of a random retard baby is the same as having a familyI'm sorry your parents don't love you anon.You know that even setting her up with a father doesn't mean she'll like him right? She will know it's only because of fate too.
>>96517694>Keter>The one who knows how each Death Letter work, how to know which one you have and how to work around them>Death Letters can also be removed in various ways, taking away your protection
>>96517701I agree. Without Misalliance you have to think about parent Gifts. With misalliance you only need to think about its point efficiency.
>>96517703
>>96517701Opposite for me. It means I can pick some parents without worrying as much about how terrible their gifts are.
>>96517702That's still far from being you "most vulnerable" phase when you have death immunity tho
>>96517711
>>96517707>Adoption is fake parenthoodI'm sorry that you hate children, anon. The character we're talking about doesn't, though.
>>96517722
Did Tankista ever mention if True Love works on Ratha or not?
>Keter totally wants a family with some random guy or adopt some random child bro>She didn't do it already because uuuuhhh, it doesn't matter ok? She WILL like it when I do itThese fags gotta be baiting lmao
>>96517668>fixing both her and Thaumiel so they can help you defeat Charlie to live their Yuri fanfic later.I don't think either of them is really in a rush to get back together. Calling your girlfriend a snake after she left you to suffer out of logic seems like a pretty definitive break up.
Why try and remove the Eternal Curse when you can instead try to improve it. You have an existing effect that can wholesale effect an entire race. If you could jailbreak it so that you say cast a buff that affects the entire race or use God Hand to transmit race wide blessings, you would be cooking. Hell, acquire Everlasting and apply it to the curse so that Dark Elves are naturally regenerating and immune to all the downsides of the curse.
>>96517731I am begging this thread and reddit to stop annoying the author with questions that can be answered by reading the CYOA.
>>96517679>They should only serve their purpose as languages and not point dispensers.Forcing more tutoring with language to get a specific combination of parents, mentors, and companions should be much more prominent especially if you can pick them from across the globe while taking options related to one country saves you points because all important people are around you early on.
>>96517725And she didn't adopt or have one yet, since that'll be 100% good to her guaranteed as you say, because?
>>96517746Tutoring characters is cancer when you don't have Everman or even worse, you can only speak 2DP languages.
>>96517745True Love doesn't work on most parents because it doesn't mesh well with familial bonds, but Ratha's bio mentions that she'll never love you like a mother would anyway.
>>96517746Forcing people into certain combinations like that is bad. Reduces effective choice and variance in builds.
>>96517749Because she's caught in a rut and isn't going to get out of it on her own. Read the CYOA.
>>96517737You really think "snake" is that big of an insult? It seems mor elite an exaggeration done because of an emotional moment, I'm not saying it's easy nor quick, but it seems salvageable.
>>96517758You can give True Love to any parent as long as you Dice Fudge them into mentors. You can also assume that they will teach you much more as mentors than as parents since they don't have to take care of you.Sarmat did exactly that.
>>96517687>Anon thinks spitefully fucking over people with good parents will improve bad parents>Actually it'd make bad parents even worse
>>96517763Also read the part where she'll know you srt that shit up for her. Most anons here wouldn't like to being fated up to raise another's person baby, even if they cope otherwise to justify their build.
>>96517767They haven't spoken in 20 years, anon. 30ish by the time you're old enough to do anything that might change things.
>>96517737That's just doomed yuri. They had no chance to be happy together. Doomed yuri is the best yuri and that contributes a lot to Keter popularity.
>>96517775Dei x Pir or Dei x Stoyan meta must be enforced.
I'm not strong enough to fix Keter. But One is.
>>96517679>I hate fun!
>>96517776Different people can feel differently about the same situation, anon. You were supposed to learn this when you were 6.
>>96517775I think Misalliance makes parent choice less interesting but it's not a problem. The real problem is unbalanced gift point cost of some parents, that makes them perfect target for misalliance. And adoption should not refund parent cost in AP too.
>>96517679This would also remove the need to use the tutor option on mentors and companions as you can just buy their language for yourself without worry. It would be good change.
>>96517693>"Hmm, 11th-sama description days he wants a family">"I know, I'll make him stay with this single mother of 3 and raise her children along with 2 other ones he will adopt, surely he'll be happy"
>>96517785Dei x Pir is just an extremely logical outcome, regardless of points. His description literally tells you that he believes she will eventually call upon him to breed new Majin.Dei x Stoyan is just hilarious, imagine Stoyan showing up in Stygia only for the ruler to tall him that they need to fuck in order to produce the new Outsider. It feels like something coming out of a shitty eroge.
>>96517776I wouldn't mind since it is the premise of us being there and would have made my peace with the possibility or sealed it off.
>Tank mentions nerfs>Thread turns into a flurry of people suggesting spite-nerfs to options they don't likeYou guys are bucket crabs.
>>96517814Damn straight, none may escape the bucket
>>96517814>nary a mention of nerfing warmachinaoperation TOTAL MUDDISH VICTORY is going swimmingly
>>96517814>suddenly
>>96517785>Dei x PirThat one is especially funny since Pir's profile outright says he knows Dei will most likely use him for his genes to make better majins thus making this one of the most logical, meaningful and sensible in-universe choice of parents (Like Zwa and Iwnn or Senamotis and Marsaget).
>>96517819>nerfing already almost useless option
>>96517800Keyword is "can", not "will". You can guess what most people would like if they knew about fate, sure she may like it, but would probably mind less being your companion than your adoptive caretaker, even if she doesn't like the idea that much.
>>96517746Why in the world do you think builds will be more interesting and fun if you end up with shit like every Northerner ONLY being able to pair with another Northerner, or every Aranea ONLY being able to pair with Thallan specifically?
>>96517804How about you improve bad parents instead of trying to be spiteful?
>>96517814Part of the ship, part of the crew.
>>96517809>Dei x Stoyan>Dei: "We must have sex.">Stoyan: "SRTR?">Dei: "SRTR."
>>96517814I'm not good enough to find exploits but I can prevent you from using yours.
>>96517831You are projecting your own feelings onto a character in a story without any evidence that she shares them, and with evidence that she does not. I am not the one making strong assumptions about how she feels in this conversation, anon.
>>96517837Good idea. That's exactly what rebalancing is.
>>96517822>Like Zwa and IwnnThe difference is that Dei + Pir makes a pretty good Demon Lord build with a lot of potential, but Zwa + Iwnn makes such an abhorrent build with almost total gift overlap that even getting 6 AP off for choosing it doesn't make up for the loss.
Why do Majin get nothing from their race? Is Letters of the Damned and Daemonhost supposed to be that strong? Or is it snowflake tax?
Who needs a buff?Every Warmachina Mounting parent is shit tier genetically imo.
>>96517847That's not what you suggested. Making everything bad isn't improving anyone.
>>96517846I am merely assuming that most people wouldn't like to be with people they did not chose to be with, or raise children they did not chose to raise.
>>96517859How many Ancestry Points do you think Warmachina is worth?
>>96517859>Every Warmachina Mounting parent is shit tier genetically imo.1000%Vadim Sacro-Ionian is basically the only viable one.I tried making my Majin build work with the Dark Elf that has it, but I just couldn't get enough points so I did Yesod + keter trick instead.
>>96517865Again, this is a specific character in a story, who has description. She is not a generic "most people", nor is she you in a beastfolk angel girl hat.
>>96517833You will just have more points and different values in languages to handpick them for your choices in order to avoid exploits and simply picking The Best choices because that would require extra investments.
>>96517861I strongly believe that only relative power is relevant. Rebalance will always make relatively strong guys weaker. But they may stay good in absolute terms.
>>96517837Parents are meant to be more than just points, compare Stoyan to Murka. She costs 3 more points than him and gives Greatriding Spurs over Bulletproof skin, which is a cheaper and arguably much less versatile option. But as a parent Murka is rich, will give you all the comforts you need and will help you train in whatever cause you want, while also being someone you can relay on to help you if she doesn't die during your childhood. Meanwhile Stoyan will most likely do nothing until you are a teen where he will perhaps teach you how to fight as long as you don't bore him.
>>96517854>Letters of the Damned>A spammable custom(if you're on singleplayer) spell that's as strong as you are creative sounds pretty damn good honestly. Especially considering the example of stuff we've seen other Majin characters use their Letters for.
>>96517859I mean, if you're going off of raw points and not opportunities, Zwa + Iwnn clearly aren't good even with their discount. But on the other hand it's more or less handing the largest remaining power opposing the Ecumene in your lap if you marry/kill Kalliope.
>>96517875No more than 5.
>>96517884That's a misguided notion and ignores the raw-fun quotient of having more points to use or fun powers to think about.
>>96517891You don't need incest to marry Kalliopa, though it is recommended
Strict point balance forces people to choose the best options. It decreases build diversity, not increases it.If you have to choose between witchshot and intelligence/wisdom, when the fuck are you ever going to pick witchshot?
>>965178753-4, considering you need to go out and find your own Warmachina or use up an encounter on it
>>96517875Probably 3-4, it's no daemonhost or icon of icon but its still really good. Just takes longer to get going and has a much more defined power cap without some other supporting options.
>>96517881Her story relevant part is "want a family". Most people who still want a family would not like what it just described.
>>96517900Now people just pick misaligned witchshot. What you say is true if there is no misalliance.
>>96517882>You will just have more points and different values in languagesI will not, because by removing the language bonuses AND giving more points (let's say another 5/5) AND forcing me to tutor my parents, you just took away 5/5 points from me, gave me 5/5 points back, then forced me to pay at least 2 DP to tutor my parent in a language the other one speaks. 3/5 remains. So the effect actually is that you just stole 2 points from me.>Avoid exploitsLiterally just the Keter shit he's already removing.>Simply picking the bestPeople are going to pick the best for their build regardless. What you actually did is make certain races and parents completely non-viable. I mentioned Northerners for example because they'd be total dogshit with overlapping fits if you got your way. People aren't going to go "oh well I guess I have to make a dogshit mage because my parent can only fuck someone else who speaks Greenspeech!" they're going to go "Fuck this shit, making another Dei + Pir Majin if I want to be a mage."
>>96517859Kuz'ma just needs his Warmachina described in his bio instead of hidden away on a bonus page if he really will give it to you.
>>96517896At that point why not just give you 40 points at base, or better yet, just give out all possible gifts and all companions and mentors at once. If you really need to get everything for your build to be good then why even make it in the first placePart of the fun is working within the limits to make your idea work. Personally I always found JRPGtraitor to fail at that for example, since it gives you so many points that once you pick every option you want you just start getting generic good stuff that you will forget you bought half the time.
>>96517926>You want your parents to give you good and fun gifts that fit your build?>Wow, you must want infinite points and to be omnipotent!Can you try not to shitpost for one second?
>>96517900Truth. This is a different version of the same trap that CYOA authors who make you spend all of your points on the immortality option fall into. Those CYOAs would literally always be improved by making immortality free or removing it entirely, because having it be present but impossibly overpriced forces you to choose between having fun playing the game and picking the options that you'd actually choose in a self-insert scenario.
>>96517543Given how the Old Throne works doesn't Jdan's description necessitate that the Old Throne will always be forced into a corner, effectively guarunteeing that the only meaningful factor of change is Jdan's actions, which means regardless of your build choices the Old Throne will always reach a state of empyreans in the throne room if he does nothing? I know I worded this poorly but the basic question here is on how much agency the player loses because of this added bit of description.
>>96517926How do you feel about the mental gifts essentially removing 10 points of variety from every build?
>>96517921>People aren't going to go "oh well I guess I have to make a dogshit mage because my parent can only fuck someone else who speaks Greenspeech!" they're going to go "Fuck this shit, making another Dei + Pir Majin if I want to be a mageTrue, as someone who doesn't go out of his way to abuse meta stuff. If the only way to make a satisfying/fun build is to abuse meta stuff, then I'll do so every time.
>>96517887Greatriding Spurs isn't supposed to suck, it's just one of those gifts without a good place in the CYOA because of the lack of any section explaining how you can make a mount viable to use.
>>96517900Keter trick increased the points pool. Did it increase the build diversity?
>>96517940That's his end though, not yours.
>>96517947You can't even be a dragon rider with it so it is bad.
>>96517948Literally nobody is defending the Keter trick, this is in reply to all the shouts of "nerf everything" from some people.
>>96517940>five empyreans enters the throne room>jdan is killed>eleventh killed them afterwardssolved
>>96517900Correct, the bad thing is having option obviously better than the others, Keter trick is an example of that. It decreased build variety by quite a lot.
>>96517953Yes you can? Drakes are animals, they qualify.
I don't understand the argument. It's not like V2 is going to disappear.
>>96517953But you can. The Drakonoid section specifies that there are feral drakes and wyrms running around. There's also one in an encounter, just find one and you have a cool pet.
>>96517955>Literally nobody is defending the Keter trickAre we reading the same thread?
>>96517969Drakes and wyverns are not dragons.
>>96517939Then don't self-insert.
>>96517962People using the trick had no Meaning to begin with.
>>96517940>Given how the Old Throne works doesn't Jdan's description necessitate that the Old Throne will always be forced into a cornerShouldn't effect anything considering he's already significantly changed his actions(Actually walking around and being active in things instead of sitting on his throne all the time), still seems to be plotting against them(see everything mentioning Old Throne's hostility towards Dis and Malkuth is actually a front to disguise them preparing to fight the Ecumene) and likely has a plan to off the traitors that would sell him out to the Ecumene.
>>96517939Sounds like a (You) problem.
>>96517982Erm, aktchually bro it's intended because system exploits are good and minmaxing has meaning even tho the author is gonna nerf it.
>>96517543Tankista, if you are still here, I have two questions that the world needs answers to:What does Sonya's triple witchshot do?And is Nilmatrix a horse?
>>96517966Anons complain about their view and approach to balancing costs and narrative of choices while arguing whatever or not it is good to have more or less points to make build and whatever or not this is good for the story your build tell.
>>96517962Thaumaradrak and Ellavan Aureole are very different builds despite both doing the same trick.
>>96517970Yes, you're mistaking people arguing over language bonuses in general, parents, and misalliance with the Keter language trick for some reason.
Dobrava/Nimatrix isn't technically an exploit so I don't mind it. But the Blazkho/Leimere thing definitely is. That shit has to be nerfed ASAP.
>>96517941I do agree that it is an issue but I personally never took all of them for my builds, just one or two alongside intelligence since I want my characters to do cool things rather than be generically good at noticing things unless they are meant to investigate. Saying you always need all of them is very limiting.
>>96517966Old versions are not valid. Only the newest version is worth playing.
>>96517998And they would be even more different without it.
>>96518005>Saying you always need all of them is very limiting.You don't, they're nice to have but not essential.
>>96518005I sure hope you're not trying to be a caster.
>>96518013Unless you're a caster.
>>96518003That's new to me, explain it.
Unnotable Guy>patronJNPL>perksHalfbreed -2DP/-2APAdoptionUntimeskipExtra Companion -2DP/-1AP>parentsJNPL -5DP/-5APUnnotable One +1DP>racePixie/Giant>languageEvermanAuburn -1DP (+untimeskip)Simplified Duergar -2DP (+5AP)High Elven -3DP (+1AP)>locationSierogrivian Basin +1AP/+1DP>giftsOverenduranceDiminishmentEye for shadows (-3AP) x3Autoantecedence -5APall -2AP:Martial InstinctMemory RetentionCognitive SpeedWisdomIntelligenceAttentivenessSpiritual FeelCaster IntuitionNoble Inclination>mentor (2)Rhucuphre from Maeve -5DP>companions (3)n/a>encountersNothing Ever Happens (Rhucuphre)Uruk x 5 (+6DP/+7AP)>deathsUnnotable Guy - BukiUnnotable mom - PokoyRhucuphre - Tsy, Zhivete>youthMartial TrainingMagical TrainingPower TestingDefection>questE NomineGuy is just an average, every day man from an average, every day land. He lives a quiet life, and he doesn't like to be bothered. On the surface, at least. Underneath, he is a master of disguise and deception, able to hide in plain sight, even from the gods. His incredibly cursed heritage, made possible through divine intervention, miraculously ended in him looking like a completely normal human. All of his gifts are easily concealable, and his family is just as inconspicuous. Even his gift of diminishment allows him to smuggle and hide things like no other.His death letter is Buki, but how can 0^0 meet him if she doesn't even know he exists? Even right under her nose, in the heart of the Ecumene, he can go unnoticed. This buys him the needed time and cover to formulate his plans and gather allies. A few centuries, at least. He chooses no one plan. To put all your eggs into one basket is unwise. All possibilities must be explored to ensure total victory.By the time 0^0 even notices his existence, she will have already lost.
>>96518003Blazkho/Leimere isn't technically an exploit so I don't mind it. But the Dobrava/Nimatrix thing definitely is. That shit has to be nerfed ASAP.
>>96518017Anon wants Blazkho to learn to teach from Leimere so Blazkho can teach anon the stuff Blazkho's other two companions will teach him.
>>96517966It's basically admiting that those things are obvious exploits, and you'd have to be retarded if you thought you are smart for taking them.
>>96518016Yeah, trying to be a high level caster without at least some of them is active self-sabotage. It can be done, but you're never reaching the pinnacle of spellcasting without an ungodly amount of time and effort.
>>96517977Give a drakonid brain damageWAH LAH
>>96518005The stats don't lie. 9 builds did the Keter trick. Only 9 did not take most of the mental gifts.There is a clear picture of which is more detrimental to build diversity.
>>96518027>those thingsI want to remind everyone that the only things Tankista specificed he was going to nerf were the Keter/Thaumiel trick and Maiosara.
>>96518022>>96516064forgotouter tide
>>96518026that's not an exploit lol
>>96518032I didn't do Keter trick in my tide build because I think this trick is unbalanced. And Keter is highly contested. I tend to use it in my single player builds though.
>>96518028Cognitive Speed, Attentiveness and Wisdom are at most marginally good towards being a caster. And Memory Retention is questionable as well. The worst thing about not having them is having to study some more and taking a while until you become wise. All of the mental gifts are things you can naturally train yourself in. Tankista even clarified that Inga is a great Spellcaster even with no Inborn Gifts since she already knows how it works.
>>96518047Agreed, that's just being clever. Some people call anything an exploit though.
>>96518053>cognitive speedIf you want to cast in battle, you need this.
>>96518053>And Memory Retention is questionable as wellOkay you have to be an idiot if you think being able to remember all your spells isn't mandatory for a Caster.
>>96518017Basically you take Blazkho and give him Leimere as a mentor, then buy a shit ton of empty Mentor Slots and give Blazkho the equivalent number of Mentors which you get the full benefits due to Leimere giving Blazkho the ability to teach everything he learned with no point cost.
>>96518033Yes, those. Some people also think that Dobrava is gonna give them Empyreality once she dabs on Nilmatrix even though he said she'll likely be the one getting it, maybe he'll clarify that.
>>96518053>Tankista even clarified that Inga is a great Spellcaster even with no Inborn Gifts since she already knows how it works.That's not remotely the same thing, that's downloading the brain of someone who was already a master spellcaster into a substandard body. She doesn't LOSE what she had already, but she gained all of that with the help of the gifts she had in life. That's not the same a you starting with no knowledge and no talent.
>>96518053>All of the mental gifts are things you can naturally train yourself inNow note that I never said you can't compensate for not having them, you're just going to have to work way harder than the guys who do have them to reach a level they got to easily.>Tankista even clarified that Inga is a great Spellcaster even with no Inborn Gifts since she already knows how it works.Irrelevant to my point since when she was learning how to do that all the first time, she did have inborn gifts.
>>96518077I dont think empty mentor slots pass over to Blazhko, you'd need to have actual mentors for him to get more too.
>>96518053All three of those are essential.
>>96517603Alright then this build isn't mine but I find it an interesting thought experiment about how far you could go using only the given meta-knowledge. Firstly there's no chance of any wizardry or such happening in this build and we lack any kind of useful melee skills so for combat we're probably going with a rifle and a prayer. The main power it can accumulate will be allies and set-up. Everman is a rather irritating pick since it locks us out of a lot of the helpful characters but that's fine, its incsular will also help with learning other languages. Goal one in childhood is to make enough money to purchase a rifle to begin training marksmanship as early as possible (Before this do hand to hand and dagger training and after split it 50:25:25), another priority is scrounging up some knowledge on airships and blue grease for later purposes. We also want to travel from dis to the Kingdom of Malkuth which should hopefully be fairly easy given we're guarunteed not to die yet.Using our new knowledge we can now join Aehelths crew, the frequent travel will make learning languages easier as another bonus but the more important thing is that there's a guarunteed incident in the future that will make it easier to take over the ship, before it happens begin planting rumours in the crew that the captains obsession with his rival is clouding his judgement and be as helpful and authoritative around the ship as possible, preferably getting into a right hand man role to learn his modifications 'as a backup'.Once the battle actually happens it should then be easy to take out Saevel from afar with a rifle shot right after the event's have transpired and then have a vote of no confidence on the captain due to the battle losses and minimal reward, try to convince him to peacefully retire due to his injuries but if not he can be always be forced. (1/?)
>>96518078Honestly the Empyreality isn't the main reason to do that. It's to remove Nilmatrix.I don't want a shapeshifting paranoia agent existing as an active threat to me.
>>96518061No you don't? Cognitive speed explicitly does not work at the speed of reaction time, which is the speed combat takes place at. It's useful when you're in cover or out of distance for thinking up tactics quickly, but that's not a caster versus martial thing.
>>96518094All-Glimpse, and maybe even some other magic, solves that. The paranoia part at least, she can still just stab you.
>>96518100It's a low magic setting anon. Martials aren't light speed blitzing you. You can think in combat and the Gift explicitly improves your ability to come up solutions and get over deer in headlights situations.
>>96518100Cognitive Speed doesn't work on reflexive actions that you take without thinking. It does work on coming up with detailed plans quickly in response to changing circumstances.
>>96518089Tell that to them. Plus even with that limitation you can easily get up to 6+ mentors for cheap by just picking 1 and 0 pointers.
>>96518106It's possible to get around All-Glimpse, we have Hladvig scheming around Dirk, and the encounter in Stygia showing that. It helps but you're going to die if you treat it as if it's unbeatable.
>>96518109They actually can light speed blitz with Esurient Walk x2, but the chance of someone having even x1, let alone x2, should be pretty damn low.
>>96517543>like something a bad AI would make while simultaneously being hard to distinguish, like something in, well, a dream.A question not for tankista but everyone: where do you go to get images like that anymore? 2025 GANs don't make the body horror kino that older models made. Look at this, it's like someone painstakingly tried to make a guy eerie and horrifying, which is why it doesn't work. It's too polished, too good.
>>96518109Martial Instinct does all that and more.
>>96518109Reaction time isn't light speed blitzes, anon. Do you think that Olympic fencers are calculating every single action they take during the point? How do you think feints work?
>>96518130Contrast that with this. The AI images in the bottom right. They have a certain sincerety to their horribleness. New AI generators just can't tap that vein.
>>96518068You are not going to suddenly forget all the spells you know anon. The ones you constantly cast will be in your head all the time and you can keep a notebook of those you know if you need a reminder.Do you just forget all you know after one day of not applying it?
>>96515840Hard mode: no Blue Mage, no Artificer
>>96518136Every action, no, but you would be a fool to think they don't have practiced maneuvers that they implement when they see an opportunity.
>>96518091Arguably, the true unnotable one build takes Az instead of Buki. Buki guarantees you will meet 0^0, which causes fate to push you in a certain direction, at least somewhat.>Goal one in childhood is to make enough money to purchase a rifle to begin training marksmanship This depends on what meta knowledge you have, but I think it would be better to work as a smith's apprentice. You could make your own guns. Or tell people to make guns for you, if you give them a rough idea of the design. Either way I think you should sell Earth tech to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible. From there you can get into merchantry, or pirating, or whatever. I think a lot of the characters would be willing to join you if you simply told them that you are an outsider and you're trying to kill 0^0. The Exarchate might even give you minor noble status, which should help in moving around.Although, lying low might be better.Whatever you do, you should definitely look for Oko Shtorma. You might need to find Brastat to fix her.
>>96518148>Keep a notebookYou gonna read that shit in the middle of battle?
>>96518124I know the Stygia encounter is just a question of their being out of Dei range. But how does Hladvig do it? It doesn't contradict the gift's description, right?
>>96518091By this point we should have a full on skyship at our beck and call and we're going to head back to The Kingdom of Malkuth docking at a skyport a decent distance from civilization, having hopefully already learnt Salian the goal is to use our portion of our piratic wealth to set up a meeting with Dirk Yesod, disguising it as a business or religious venture. We have no way to recover yesods mind but by letting him read through ours he gains meta-knowledge while in a much more useful position to exploit it, I would do this with Dei and Ratibor as well but one lacks any languages I can learn quickly and the other seems difficult to find. The next step is a little grisly but having to deal with people nagging about piracy while attempting to save the world seems annoying so I'll poison the entire crew to death and shoot any survivors, they can be hopefully replaced with a single necromancer loyal to yesod and the cause of saving the world, to ensure the ship remains at peak performance.Now pre-commit to travelling to the Old Throne to meet up with Jdan as soon as this is done, at this point he can brief me on what strategies have and have not worked.Potential Solutions include:>Filling all the dream realms in poluden with nightmare to deny the empyreans resurrection>Getting the keter back up on her feet (how hard can it be to find a lady with giant white wings) and using her as a super weapon>Reawakening Vtorusha using someone with starsight on the throne and/or sacrificing dirks eyes to recomplete it>Just trapping charlotte in a perpetual death loop with an extremely fast wire vibrating above human reaction speeds to decapitate any potential re-spawns>Hi-jacking the ecumenical moon program to get YMRD to help>Using someone with dream passage to try and enter SRTR's toybox to get her to helpIf one doesn't work it doesn't matter since Jdan already knows and can inform me, I only care about the winning timeline. Recruiting and thievery are the way.
>>96518154>Practiced maneuvers implemented when you see an opportunityThat's literally a reaction, anon. It's not in the domain of cognitive speed.Cognitive speed's combat applications are recovering from shock and quickly thinking of plans when faced with the unexpected. It's useful in combat, but, again, that isn't a martial-versus-caster thing. That's an engagement-speed versus tactical-speed thing.
>>96518124The protagonist can't die early.
>>96518130Visions of Chaos was playing with GANs from pretty early on, I'm sure that it still bundles the really old, really crude ones with newer AIs.https://softology.pro/voc.htm
>>96518170>But how does Hladvig do it?Not meeting Dirk personally and just tricking the people around him, like how he tricked his mom into getting him to attack the Empire of Light and Dark.
>>96518181The protagonist can die as soon as all fated encounters are resolved. Going by previous outsiders, that tends to be around 20 years old. The protagonist can also suffer permanent injuries at any point.
>>96518190>he tricked his mom into getting him to attack the Empire of Light and DarkMy boy Dirk is innocent.
>>96518190Would he just read rhe narrative of him tricking people into attacking him?
>>96518170Dirk also has a range and Hladvig is outside the kingdom. Besides being able perceive everything around doesn't mean that you can focus on it all at the same time. You need to focus on something to slowly read into it's past on future and only up to the point where it doesn't change.There are also probably other ways to get around it like gifts, spells and causality. Nilmatrix is immune to your All-Glimpse if you pick her as a companion for example.
>>96518191>The protagonist can also suffer permanent injuries at any point.Which is bad even if you can heal it, because gifts are lost when the limb they're tied to is lost.
>>96518197Seems it doesn't work that way, likely because Hladvig was out of his range and his mom was genuinely trying to help him.
>>96518188ty I'll check it out.
>>96518199I understand fate and Nilmatrix, but the "cannot be stopped by any means" is just a lie if magic can just conceal you from it, oof.
>>96518218There's no evidence magic can conceal you from All-Glimpse, but there's multiple characters in the cyoa that could trick or hide from an All-Glimpse user.
>>96518209If he's out of Dirk's range he can do whatever and it won't matter, when he said scheming "around" I though he was literally next to him.
>>96518225>There's no evidence magic can conceal you from All-Glimpse,Your Rhucuphre bro? her hiding tricks are definitely magical in nature.
>>96518226>when he said scheming "around" I though he was literally next to himI said tricking the people around him. For instance, even if Nilmatrix can't trick or hide from you, she can still trick your companions, mentors, or the various NPCs around you into leading you into danger or accidentally harming you. All-Glimpses precognition isn't a passive thing, and reading minds won't help against someone who's genuinely trying to help you.
>>96518199She is not immune. She needs to avoid your attention 100% of the time until the encounter happens. She probably teleports often and scries from miles away.
>>96518218That's not true. It just means that the methods to conceal you have to work by some means other than blocking the narration. You might overwhelm their senses with irrelevant narration, or cause them to ignore the narration like what Rhucuphre magic does, or make the narration misleading but technically true, etc.
>>96518259>her hiding tricks are definitely magical in nature.They're as magical as the causality trick that Charlie can teach you. The only magical part of it is the sigils that can make people avert their eyes from you, the rest is just skill.
>>96518281>the rest is just skill.Ah yes the "Magician without parallel" doesn't use magic for her most infamous ability. Sure, tell me another.
>>96518281>The only magical part of it is the sigils that can make people avert their eyes from youAlso there's no evidence this would work against All-Glimpse. Doesn't mean that she, or builds that learnt from her, can't fool an All-Glimpse user.
>>96518297>Can fool Elder Gods for a millennium.>Can't fool a mere All-Glimpser.All-Tard bros...
>>96518292Anon you don't need magic to pull off insane stuff, and she clearly does use magic as seen with the sigils. That doesn't mean that it's all magic.>>96518307>All-Tard bros...Readlet-kun, she can fool Elder Gods by acting in a way that they'll ignore, that doesn't mean she's relying on magic for it. Not everything is magic, some characters are just that skilled.
>>96518279>You might overwhelm their senses with irrelevant narration,This gave me an idea for a brain-jamming spell like Gojo's unlimited void to counter All-Glimpse.
>>96518279>overwhelm their sensesI'm not sure that works against All-Glimpse, else any user who enters highly populated area would start convulsing immediately.
>>96518341Yeah the All-Glimpse user would essentially just Speedread all of it and retain very little.
>>96518324>Anon you don't need magic to pull off insane stuff, and she clearly does use magic as seen with the sigils. That doesn't mean that it's all magic."Magic" in this setting is just the manipulation of the God-Script. If she manipulates the script in every way, shape, or form, then she's using magic. I don't know you got this retarded "muh skill" idea from.>she can fool Elder Gods by acting in a way that they'll ignore, And this won't work on All-Glimpse because?>Not everything is magic, some characters are just that skilled.lol, lmao even.
>>96518268The encounter specifies that it will be someone you know and trust, not some background character who you merely caught glimpses of. It is written that way in the outsider system so it will come to pass, you cannot prevent the betrayal. That's the whole trap of picking her. Fate will just force you to not notice it even if you have All-Glimpse.
>>96518328>he needs his brain to fightHard countered by Upunth ultra instinct
>>96516064https://rentry.co/772hurgvI updated it again, I did some language and Uruk voodoo so I could take Su'uq, and get a couple more gifts too. It really was mostly to get Su'uq, though. My stealth skills should make handling the Ogre encounter pretty viable, but I still feel I'm a pretty weak Outsider in a fight so I'm not sure how well the Troll one will go. Writeup for an old version of this build:>>88529433>>88541256>>88541316>>88541394>>88541444>>88541514>>88541622Right now my only problem is having 1 spare Ancestor Point, not sure what to do with it since the remaining 1 point Gifts I have slots for wouldn't be very good for this build.
>>96518348>. If she manipulates the script in every way, shape, or form, then she's using magicThen everything is magic because everything, in the OR world, is the Godscript.>And this won't work on All-Glimpse because?I said it would work, you just can't read
>>96515334Vratislav >PatronJNPL>ReincarnationMaleDeath Slot(Greater Yus)True Love(-)Untimeskip(Strokrad)Extra Companion(x5)>ParentsBoyana(Pokoy)Bernhard(Cherv, Zhivete)>RaceMuddish>LanguagesAuburnSalian(Quietened)Elven-Northerner(Quietened)Spriggan>LocationSierogrivian Basin>Inborn GiftsBestial StrengthBoiling BloodBulletproof SkinThoroughbreedingLast BreathThoroughbreedingBitter SicknessWereplague(x2)Misalliance(Bernhard)Cognitive SpeedMemory RetentionWisdomIntelligenceAttentivenessSpiritual FeelMartial InstinctLook of Chaos(x2)Fighter's Eye(x2)Multiocular OAutoantecedenceBlazing SealAzure WreathFar Graze(x2)Dream Passage(x3)>MentorsZlata(Iotated Yest)Strokrad(Zelo, Yee)Mlada(Iotated Az)>CompanionsBlazhko(Lesser Yus)Dobrava(Myslete, By Design)Darina>Blazhko's MentorsUpunth(Izhe)Xet(Dobro)Leimeie(Shta)>EncountersAll Uruk encouners except A Lone GoblinOne Against All(Zlata)Interested And Dissolved Parties(Blazhko)Upward Spiral(Strokrad)Breaking And Entering(Dobrava)Remember About Death(Mlada)Immoortal Coil Of Intrigue(Darina)Remember The Demon(Zlata)>Dobrava's EncountersOn Sick LeaveLet The Purgation BeginBy Design>YouthMartial TrainingMagical TrainingDungeoneeringParental Support>QuestE Nomine1/2
>Yeah bro the 5 point gift totally allows you to see things even the Elder Gods can't.>I swear bro! All-Glimpse is unstoppable and impossible to subvert even though there's example of a powerful All-Glimpser getting played like a fiddle.They can't be this All-Retarded...
>>96518373Dobrava with By Design won't change anyone's Death Slot because she ignores "associted chracters" with her special ability.
>>96518373>AutoantecedenceAbility to overlap real world with a dream property. Invent/Buff Upunth teaching.>BuildMuddish build without using Vtorusha toys. Instead, it doubled down on the importance of oaths and promises via Strokrad teaching. Also dream heavy build with Dream Passage, Dungeoneering, and a lot of time spent with Darina in dreams from early years.A lot of Maladies, but Dobrava should be able to help with that and pick up everlasting for herself while at it. In theory, Zlata, Xet, and Upunth teaching together with inborn gifts could make a decent gish warrior. Mlada help with expanding buffs arsenal.In time i should be able to develop Stokrad magic into a full blown binding oath merchant kind of staff.>BlazhkoEah, it sucks. Not only i use Leimeie exploit, it is also used on one of the two core mentors of this build - Upunth. At least there is a risk that something will go wrong and Blazhko doesn't teach me all this.>PlansIt's a second chance for life. Least i can do to return debt for such an incredible gift is to be a supportive child for my parents and helping goddeses who may need help with the current situation. In fact, it probably will be my first oath.Also, while at that, use this chance to become responsible, don't be a coward, and in general become a better person. And Greater Yus will help me in this endeavor.Maybe later I'll spread Strokrad teaching around Muddish people to reinforce the cultural importance of promises.
>>96518385Bait or genuinely retarded?
>>96518387Well, it suck. Back to drawing board then.
>>96518362>Then everything is magic because everything, in the OR world, is the Godscript.Did... did you just now realise this? The readlet curse is indeed unstoppable...
>>96518412We need an Elder Gods for them.
>>96518341I'd assume it works the same as any other sense does in a crowd -- your brain passively directs your attention so that, while you are technically perceiving a large amount of information, very little of it is being retained or processed.A blind-the-all-glimpse spell would have to be designed to bypass that effect by constantly demanding a shift in your attention (like what happens when you hear your name in a crowd), or take advantage of that effect by hiding something important in the noise.
>>96518409Actually, reading better, it says "associated other characters", she may be able to gie it to herself depending on your interpretation. Feels kinda cheaty to get it for free with the obvious method though, and I'm not sure if the author said anything about it.
>>96518423New exploit?
>>96518385They can. The very fact that she is a choice in the System proves this. But Elder Gods aren't the only gods in the setting, so her teachings aren't useless.
>>96518423I think he clarified in Reddit that it was a useless encounter for her since it's meant to be given to another companion while you yourself can't get it through the event.
>>96518434>The very fact that she is a choice in the System proves thisRhucuphrefags ignored the fact that [JNPL] is the one narrating her life story to them. Then again, [JNPL] is the one who pays attention to even the minor stories the other two don't, so it makes sense that if any of the three wouldn't ignore Rhucuphre, it's her.
>>96518434Eirina is also there while they're the same person as confirmed by Tank
>>96518438So the Nilmatrix cheese is the only way to get Dobrava a lifespan gift? Without any post-cyoa stuff I mean.
>>96518455>confirmed by TankDid we read the same thing?
>>96518464No? Just take By Design as your encounter for her, it will cost you the same 6 points as it does for every other character. She just cannot do it as one of her free encounters.
>>96518464Dei Majin resurrection event should work too. Better than nothing.
>>96518470Ignore him, he will take an 'it's up to your story' as a hard confirmation and nothing will convince him otherwise.
>>96518464You can just give her By Design as her normal encounter, she still has one of those. And of course, you and your friends can become empyreans (or at least half) throught some other means. Keter did, her method doesn't work anymore sure, but there are probably others.
>>96518434Well the Pandaemonium choice in the youth section also proves that the Elder Gods definitely aren't all-knowing so... Also if this was the first time Rhucuphre got picked by the Outsider System it would mean that she's been flying under the radar for that long before the fluke of [JNPL] merging with the system exposed her.
>>96518497>if this was the first time Rhucuphre got picked by the Outsider SystemWasn't she a companion of Erginter?
>>96518497Old gods personally write a story of how you help pandaemonium.
>>96518497She was picked before and dodged a Yat. She's probably been a choice that wasn't taken other times too.
>>96518423By Tank>Normally By Design is something that applies to another character you're meeting. Dobrava's Encounters are meant to be about the plot involved in the Encounter but without actually meeting anyone (the associated character) if it's possible. Strictly, Dobrava with By Design in her three Encounters would simply be about how nothing happened, and you just wasted your points.I switch By Design to A Calm And A Storm and Myslete to Iotated Greated Yus.
>>96518508She was, [JNPL] definitely knows what Rhucuphre is doing, she simply doesn't care as that's another way for people in the world to find Meaning, even if they are hurt for it. Same reason she didn't really condemn Vtorusha actions.
>>96518508She was>>96518497As I said before, it would definitely make sense if [JNPL] was the only one who bothered to pay attention to her. Considering her entire thing is caring about every story, no matter how insignificant. Not like any of the Elder Gods would be opposed to her plan even if they knew about it tho.
>survive your letter>you're selected againThe gods are assholes.
>>96518451???'s entry states that the Outsider System is capable of picking up on things that the gods weren't paying attention to. It's entirely possible that JNPL was unaware of her plans until this iteration of the system activated.Also, it's possible for them to know she exists, know that she's behind pandemonium, and know what pandemonium's plan is without observing every action that Rhucuphre takes. Her description is consistent with the idea that she could have plots other than pandemonium going which the gods are unaware of. Like how 0^0 can be caught by surprise by the Dobrava trick despite knowing about Dobrava, Gunter, Nilmatrix, and the details of the Shadow of God encounter."Act in such a way that the gods don't pay too much attention" isn't "act in a such a way that the gods can't pay attention." It should be about making some of your irrelevant-seeming decisions have payoff down the line, without drawing the narrative attention that a well-foreshadowed scheme like Hladvig's might. Pandemonium could very well be the red herring, with her real scheme being hidden somewhere else. (Like, and I'm only memeing a little here, the text of another character entirely.)
>>96518585>He still has a death slotYou didn't want it enough
>>96518585>Didn't gave Keter By DesignYou won't fix her
>>96518597How do I make her worse?
>>96518610Make her your adoptive mother, then True Love Thaumiel.
>>96518585Keter is a mandatory pick.
>>96518591>(Like, and I'm only memeing a little here, the text of another character entirely.)This made me reread Eirina's bio, and wow, I get why people think they're the same person. Still not sure what she has to gain from teaching the 11th Seat about Numerology and how to scheme against gods, unless she thinks she can get another Erginter.
>>96518622>OR>mandatorylmao
>>96518585Just become a lich.
>>96518642Or half-lich. All the benefits, none of the problems.Herleva is MVP.
>>96518641Vedi builds are mandatory picks for the 12th, and it's hilarious. We need a Vedi tide so the 12th doesn't get to buy anything.
>>96518639Suppose this:>Mathemagic destroys meaning>Numerology creates meaning>The original meaning has been replaced with someone else's designThe schizo apocalypse progresses.
>>96518663>12th is forever locked on the menuGame over?
>>96518666We're free, every Outsider automatically ascends
>>96518666Gods will just start to give her point positive letters with ironic deaths for the Outsiders they don't like.
>>96515334>meet an Elder GodWhat do you do? Asking for each one. Would you react differently if the one you meet is your patron?>1. Standard salutation, e.g. "hi" or "greetings", optionally with handwave or handshake.>2. Humble salutation, e.g. kneel, kowtow, or appropriate prayer.>3. Other, e.g. attack or run away.
>>96518676They wouldn't. They love people who game the system.
>>96518684Being loved by one god doesn't mean all of them approve of you. Just imagine the Omega situation with conflicting death letters, but between YMRD and SRTR.
Couldn't another mentor have secretly been the evil elf mastermind? Numerology's just so useful.
>>96518678>JNPL"Hi Mom." It doesn't matter if I picked the option or not, the joke is too good to pass up.>SRTRBet her a year of my life on a game of Smash Bros. >YMRDAutistic blabbering about how intricate the socio-economical landscape is.>Bonus: 0^0 Armchair therapist if she can't kill me yet. We talk about gods like high school bitches if possible.
>>96518678>JNPLBow and try to be respectful>>As patronNothing changes>YMRDHumble Salutation>>As PatronBe friendly and see if she's enjoying my story so far, ask for feedback if she's willing>SRTRRun away>>As patronBe friendly, then run away
>>96518698That's why it's perfect, who's going to pass up Numerology? I wonder how many people Ouk'd her
>>96518678>JNPLKneel and appropriate prayer.>SRTRChallenge her to single combat.>YMRDHumble salutation, and challenge her to a horrendously complicated game of some kind.
>>96518678I try to flirt with them all.
>>96518678Depends on which of my builds is canon in this scenario
The 9th book of the bible is 1 Samuel1 Samuel 9:9 - "(In former times in Israel, anyone who went to consult God used to say, “Come, let us go to the seer.” For the one who is now called prophet was formerly called seer.)"Eirina is basically a seer, isn't she?
>>96518678Propose on the spot for YMRD, the only Elder God worth marrying.
>>96518678>any of themIf I see them, then they are real, and I'm in the world of OR and its cycles of reincarnation are real. So I kill myself immediately. When I next wake up with my memories, one gorillion reincarnations will have passed and I'll be a god.
>>96515548Summoning is based on Daemonhost. By Design and the recent Dream-picks has hints about what she probably contacted.
>>96518738They won't fuck you.
Rhucuphre is one of your other mentors, but it's not Eirina. Way too obvious for her.No one would see it coming that she's also Dirk Yesod
>>96518753Wait, did nobody ask Tankista to clarify how the Cycles work?
>>96518763Clarify what?
>>96518759I knew those hips were too feminine...
>>96518759This is what really drove Dirk mad, realizing that he was secretly a centuries-old elf schemer and that she planned everything all along.
>>96518678I offer to all of them the highest respect with a kowtow and an appropriate prayer.Praise be to [JNPL]. Praise be to [SRTR]. Praise be to [YMRD].
>>96518759Everyone is Dirk YesodYour Waifu? You got tricked, it was actually Cuck Yesod Keter trick? You know how this goes.
>>96518784I've been fucking his mom while he watches. Difficult to be both.
My own pet theory on Rhu/Eirina is this: ~84 years after mass-branding with Eternal Curse, Proto-Rhu attempts to escape it and everything goes horribly wrong. Or horribly right. That's Rhu's moment of clarity. She effectively splits herself, like something that might happen via Iotated Lesser Yus. Eirina isn't Rhu in disguise good enough to trick Outsider System, she's actually different character, perhaps even with different soul.
>>96513486That's actually a pretty smart trick. "Tutoring" the book means that someone was able to translate it without destroying the secret message, which means that they understood it, while also printing more copies with the same information. That means that it's spreading throughout the NPC population by itself.
>>96516500>Most players seem to be pro-Ascent and even outright pro-Elder GodORfags are so pathetic
>>96518698>>96518722Just have Dirk teach it to you.
>>96518678I kill them.
>>96518917>He doesn't want to become an author
>>96518927My friend... You're not caught up on the Rhucuphre lore.
>>96515334https://www.reddit.com/r/makeyourchoice/comments/1mwbkpv/outer_reincarnation_cyoa_update_1/na9v0xw/>If we're choosing Theta, we don't choose Location and Encounters, am I right?>Correct.12 points gone. GONE.I need to swap race and chop off my legs now.
>>96518927My perfect wife Rhucupre can't be divined by a hack.
>>96518951>3/4 toyboxers picked encounters
>>96519010That's what they get for pretending to be multiplayer.
>>96518797Adding to this, I suspect she managed to engineer a simular situation to dodge her Yat from Erginter. Splitting yourself in two and then fighting to the death with yourself should probably qualify as a Yat. This could somewhat explain how she forgot the Drakonid language -- if it was specifically an ILY split, both halves should be lesser in some way, and each half losing some knowledge (like a language) would be one way to qualify as lesser.Since she arranged this herself, she probably chose what parts of herself to lose as strategically as possible. A language thay she no longer had use for now that Erginter is dead would be an easy thing to sacrifice.
>>96518956>Can't spell the name of his own "wife"Pathetic.
>>96519021The really suspicious part of it is that Rhu decided to even learn Drakonid in the first place. I tried to square it by saying that she was obviously in cahoots with the Dragon Sage, but I feel like that was an unfit solution.
>>96519021I personally interpret Yat as "you intentionally do to yourself something recognized as "death" by the System". Fight with yourself isn't necessary. So it's possible there is another one of her fragments somwhere in the world.
>>96518956It's easy to remember: Ru Cu Phre [Lu ci fer]
>>96518956>minor spelling mistakeSayonara, Anon.
>>96519083>Ru
>>96519083I don't see it.Phonetically yes, but not from a Meaning perspective
>>96519069I think Erginter probably just tutored her, so fate created a contrived reason for Rhucu to learn. Erginter wanted Drakkonid's insular bonus for some reason: it probably was something different back then.
You know I didn't notice this before, but this thread's revelation that the Muddish are the special snowflake race made me check the mother section again and realize there is not one single good Muddish mother.>TaiyaWastes slots on touch of rust and witchshot, won't teach you how to do anything with Warmachina, only bogstandard battle tactics.>RuzhanaEvil spy that basically gives you mundane school lessons. Gifts are okay though.>BoyanaI guess she can do dungeons, but mostly she's just a wealthy parent. Her gifts are evenly split between martial and caster, which means she's not good for either.>DennitsaAnother parent who's mostly just wealthy, but she can teach you to handle a boat. Her gifts are also divided between a martial one and two intended for simple thieves, so no synergy here either.
>>96519110Taiya is the retainer of warmachina, right? Perhaps she can teach you how to pimp your mech.
>>96519118Her entry specifically says she won't teach you anything about them because they're state secrets.
>>96519110Dungeon girl is an alright motherMech girl will teach you if you select one of the mech fathers
>>96519110>won't teach you how to do anything with WarmachinaIf you are a royal then she shouldn't have that problem and her gifts are only a problem if you don't want to be a mecha gunslinger.The others have pretty cool flavor and are great if you want to be a sailor or a dungeon explorer.
>>96519131>Dungeon girl is an alright motherHer gifts clash with each other. Like I said, they're split caster/martial. Whichever one you are, you're effectively getting wasted gifts (or even worse for a caster, wasted body slots.)>Mech girl will teach you if you select one of the mech fathers>>96519122
>>96519122What if you're the grandchild of Jdan or something? Or you already have a warmachina and needs repair?
>>96519131>>96519140>If you are a royal thenYou don't need *her* to teach you about warmachina.
>>96519147You don't need anyone to do anything?You don't need gifts to win fights
>>96519140>>96519145>If you are a royalYou aren't seriously choosing Kuz'ma the Charlie dickrider as a father, right? That's the only way you can be in the Old Throne royal family. Anyway, as it's written she won't teach you period.
>>96519152>You aren't seriously choosing Kuz'ma the Charlie dickrider as a father, right?Hypothetical. I don't care about the Old Throne - the alternative route with mech dwarf and dark elf mom is funnier.Still, since I'm one of the royals, I'd expect her to bypass this little 'state secret' gimmick.
>>96519152He's a good dad, just make sure he understands why siding with her is a bad idea. He also gives you his mech for free which is always nice.
>>96519172I don't have time for retards.
>>96519176Where do you think you are?
>>96519176>he said in /cyoag/
>>96519152All Highlords have the legitimacy to claim the Old Throne. Warmachina Mounting is a bloodline-specific gift, it means you are descendant of Pervak, and Vtorusha is your grand-grand-...grand-auntie.
>>96519147Out of the parent choices she's the only one that works with them on a regular basis. The royals probably only use theirs from time to time while she's alone on the field fixing up the machine herself. Her description also states that she will teach you about them and how to properly weight their power for conflicts.Or will you go the way of the build from yesterday that apparently was going to learn everything about Warmachinas from One as if he ever built or operated one.
>>96519110On the other hand, Muddish Snowflakes have good Mentors and Companions. The worst race for Mentors is Alf for sure. Drow are the worst race for Companions.
>>96519189>the build from yesterday that apparently was going to learn everything about Warmachinas from OneThis is so ridiculous I don't believe you.
>>96519189>Her description also states that she will teach you about themIt says she won't.
>>96515334If only Ratibor had something other than Entrenchment...
>>96519211Just Lost in Lost City it away.
Everyone talks about the Dobrava/Nilmatrix trick, but Dobrava is capable of so much more than that. What are your favorite encounters to send her on, and why?I'll start: If you send her on Let the Purgation Begin, she should invent a cure for Bitter Sickness. That's explicitly listed as a possible outcome, after all.She can also prevent the Exarchate civil war if you send her on A Calm And A Storm, for the same reason. Or she can win the war for your side in Blood and Guts and Blood and Guts.
>>96519336Good for clearing Dread The Wyrm and killing the Dragon King's off without putting yourself at risk. I didn't pick her though.
>>96519090Well on the surface level, Lucifer is a character from the Book of Isaiah who thinks that he knows better than God. Some people contend that he's not even a spirit, just some arrogant ruler. Many schools of the occult believe that Lucifer was really a trickster mentor that started the beginning of mankind's journey into gnosis, the escape from the material world into the spiritual one.Rudolf Steiner of the Theosophists agreed, but did not think of this as a completely good thing. He sermonized that Lucifer was only the first and the least malicious one of the three antichrists that Humanity would have to defeat as they reincarnated into more evolved races. Lucifer represented spirituality at its unhealthiest and most escapist, it was his desire to stop all human evolution by terrorizing them into permanently staying between reincarnations. This would be a premature, self-righteous version of the permanent afterlife that God would have eventually rewarded everyone with.Mormonism has similar beliefs about the "sales pitch", if not the motivation of the devil. Lucifer was purportedly a human spirit who tried to upstage Jesus as the savior of Humanity by promising to the rest of them that they would experience no suffering or evil in the world that he would have made, something against the wish of God and most of humanity to become gods themselves after a temporary state of mortality, so instead he and his cohorts eventually turned towards sabotaging the original plan.In all cases, it's accepted that the omniscience of God means that his actions were somehow worked into "the great plan", the only disagreement is whether or not he's consciously playing into it.TL;DR:>Rebelled against Heaven.>Wants to destroy all suffering by causing a lot of suffering. Will probably just make even more suffering.>Probably being played by their enemies anyway.
>>96519355I see! I'm not fully convinced it was a direct reference, since "rebel against the heaven with a plan is being played by the omniscient ruler" is pretty cliché - but she definitely has the adjacent role.I thought you meant "Rhucuphre is the Christian Devil".
>>96519355you just described 0^0
>>96516653He does bad luck rituals for his other CYOAs to transmute the karma into unnatural good luck for Outer Reincarnation.
>>965193840^0 wants to increase suffering out of spite.
>>96519384Nuh huh. He's talking about the TRUE antagonist of OR.
>>96519390Not exactly. She's convinced that her path is the right one and that the gods are evil pricks. Ends justifying the means and all that.
>>96519398>Eternal wagecuck slavery
>>96519402That doesn't change what I said.
>>96519392...Charlotte Reincarnation?
>>96519355If the Gods are Jean-Paul [Charles] Aymard Sartre / existentialism, are there philosophical equivalents to Rhucuphre and Vtorusha?
>>96518951So companion slots are unusable, practically eliminating Northerner, Southlander, Alf, and Dwarf from consideration.
>>96518951I'm not remaking a build.
>>96519429>So companion slots are unusablewhat
>>96519435The Uruk Trick just got unavailable'd for Thetas.
>>96519435You cannot pick companions if you pick Theta, which means the only use of companion slots were Uruk encounters. Since tank said that Theta also bars encounters, companion slots are unusable.
>>96519435
>>96519446>>96519447>>96519449Oh for Thetafags.
>>96519453It's not a trick. It's just picking Uruk encounters. Why are people calling everything "exploit" or "trick" now?
>>96519449Is there anything more cucked than picking Theta?
>>96519453There's no Uruk 'trick', just the completely intended interaction of using empty slots for Uruk encounters to get more points or switching AP to DP or vice versa.
>>96519458Bro have you heard of the Dirk trick where you pick this guy and he's basically TWO Mentors? Holy shit Tank's gonna freak when he sees what people are doing.
>>96518951I'm very tempted to drop Theta and fucking go to the moon ASAP to find YMRD while also having Stigmata for double Elder God teachings. Limitless possibilities—this is just picking another one. A likely better one.
>>96518951Time to jump ship. This isn't worth it anymore.
>Toybox Exodus
>>96519501>>96519486Stay in your lane. This is the future you chose.
>>96519518Do you have the slightiest idea how the absence of Uruks encounters fuck up the point balance?
>>96519510>Lose a couple of points that were tied to events they were never experiencing>"No, I'm trapped in here, let me out!!!"Truly tragic.
>>96519336I did the same, but the best outcome is advancinh the research for a cure, not finding one outright.
I enjoy watching people pick things for their builds that they'll regret.Seeing people regret their obviously poor choices before they've even started is even better.
1 DP, 1 DP, my kingdom for 1 more DP.
>>96519541Burn two AP.
>>96519458It's still retarded that some people take those encounters with no plan to get out of them intact, like with a pure social build, and expecting to just win without losing an arm and an eye.
>>965195297 AP and 7 DP. It's obviously a fair number, but most Toybox anons were going for the options to get the most gifts, just take away all the ones that don't add much.
>>96519546Not following 0^0 and already used up the DP-positive Uruks.
>>96519518>>96519534>>96519539SHUT THE FUCK UP. LET'S SEE HOW YOUR BUILD WOULD BE AFFECTED IF YOU SUDDENLY LOSE 12 FUCKING POINTS.
>>96519373Now you're reminding me of this easter egg from the Orthrung. I don't think that it can count as foreshadowing the demonlord bomb.>>96519384A religion can have multiple antagonists, especially a fictional one. Charlotte is more like Satan than Lucifer (when they're separate characters) as a devil who's defined by wrath as much as pride. Xian and Aat are also a good match for a conception of the devil as "God's dirty man".>>96519428Vtorusha is a stage in the history of Humanism where it's trying to leave its religious origins behind (Bob) but hasn't evolved back into a religion itself (Charlotte). She was trying to argue to theistic gods that deism should be true. Deists weren't "atheist creationists", they believed in a benevolent God with a plan to benefit the human race that wasn't limited by the decrees of any church. Freemasonry might be a good match to the Befallen Eparchy.Rhucuphre obviously represents Luciferian Gnosticism or any other kind belief system where "end this suffering" excuses everything. I don't know enough about terrorism to compare the Pandaemonium to real world authors, probably L. Ron Hubbard or Sabbati Zevi?
>>96519546You can't box with 0^0 anon
>>96519557I'm not in the box either, I just want one more DP for reasons.
>>96519556>Mary Sue, Megabitch, White WhoreJNPL got too in-character
>>96519541Are you already Bilingual?
>>96519554It's just 7, you should still get the points for unused slots that Duergar gives.
>>96519486>SpeedrunningYou won't gain YMRD favor, stay with SRTR
>>96519590He can't. It's not worth the points.
>>96519458I'm sorry. I just have umineko brainrot.
>have to read the locations pages for real>no security from charlotte>no time to ramp up>no SRTR roleplaying as the mentorsFuck that. Not in the CYOA, not canon.
>>96516984>no armsWhat the fuck are going to do, use your wing nubs like a retarded harpy.Stop being a slave to points and pick options you can actually find character art for.
>>96519606Charlie is in fact your neglected childhood friend! You have to fix her, Anon!
>>96516984>>Male, (Iotated Greater Yus Zhivete)You can't give yourself Zhivete.
>>96519590Finding her location and a way to get to her is favor enough.
>>96519615He talks about getting prosthetic arms, but perhaps he create magical disembodied hands?>>96519620>finding her locationNTA but it's all but said multiple times in the cyoa. That's just media literacy.
