>"I cast Mage Hand/Telekinesis to twist his balls, causing crippling pain"ever had a similar situation happen at your table? how did the GM rule it?
>>96529115Mage hand can't be used for an attack and twisting someone's nuts is a grapple attack.
>>96529131But what if it DID work according to the rules???
>>96529142Then it'd probably be an attack roll and the severity of the hopefully crippling pain would be determined by a damage roll.
>>96529115Our GM rules, quite consistently, that torture doesn't work. Balls twisting, nails pulling, waterbroarding and so on deals no HP damage so it's wasted effort.
Pretty sure a nice flick to the nards is enough to temporarily incapacitate someone
>>96529131I found this on d20PFSRD. idk if it's legal in standard gameplay but still:Telekinesis (5th Level transmutation)>You move objects or creatures by concentrating on them. Depending on the version selected, the spell can provide a gentle, sustained force, perform a variety of combat maneuvers, or exert a single short, violent thrust.[...]>Combat Maneuver: Alternatively, once per round, you can use telekinesis to perform a bull rush, disarm, grapple (including pin), or trip. If most people agree you can use grapple to twist an arm, you can very well do the same with testicles.Even just grabbing nuts can cause massive pain and many grappling martial arts teach a few ways to do so.Perhaps the answer to OP's question is>Mage Handno you can't.>Telekinesisgo for it.
>>96529172does he only apply this to humanoid beings?like, say you are fighting a giant preying mantis.could your Monk climb on top of it and twist its antennas to cause pain? or would your GM deem it causes 0 damage?
In D&D, most creatures have something that is essentially a mystical, personal barrier protecting themselves. It is what helps stops mages from being able to do things like "I summon a marble in his throat" or "I teleport this humpback whale on top of his head."Because of this magical "personal space" field, a lot of utility spells can't be used as attack spells, and overcoming this No-No Shield requires higher level spells and not just someone somehow being the first mage to ever try killing someone with a spell intended to clean dishes.
>>96529172Sounds like your GM has never actually been tortured before. You should fix that.
>>96529172Many forms of torture deal damage to a person's body. It makes more sense to rule these kinds of things as dealing nonlethal damage, and then providing a bonus on intimidation checks.At least, assuming that torture works. Which it often doesn't, because people are more prone to saying actually anything to get them out of the torture than they are to give you the true information that you want. In a magic world though, I guess it may be possible for you to use magic to detect any false confessions.
>>96529381I bet now you'll try and convince me that Shape Water can't be used to move pee out of someone's bladder and make them piss their pants
>mage handcan't attack, can be swatted away easily it exerts less than 10lbs of force.>thats carry weightI don't care. you're trying to use a very explicitly non-combat spell for an action that is very obviously an attack.>fine manipulation telekinesisI'd rule it doesn't work on moving creature that can feel and actively move to avoid the telekinetic focus. I would allow this if the target is immobilized and can't move to avoid the caster's focus. Otherwise no.
>>96529478>heat metal>"the iron in that guy's blood."
>>96529458>>96529435are you retarded?the intention of the rule is that in his games torture doesn't work, so you don't spend time torturing NPCs. It might be that he doesn't like his players being sadistic, or maybe he had a group that tried to solve everything with torture instead of scouting, negotiating, spying and other methods; so he made some random rule to motivate different approaches. It's not a rare thing, people do that with rape all the time.>why didn't they rape their prisoners>because rape doesn't work>how?>magic
>>96529172I thought that torture just did nonlethal damage, so you could repeatedly injure an enemy that makes recovery using its hit die to then injure it back down to 1 HP again.
>>96529115"He's not naked, thus you don't have a line of effect to his balls"
>>96529897not him but your gm could circumvent players's attempts to torture with much better ways than "it does 0 damage because I magic lol"here's a few:>the BBEG's minions are undead/constructs/mindless elementals so they don't feel pain, you can't rape or torture them>the NPC in question has a capsule of poison in their teeth and will swallow it to kill themselves to avoid torture and questioning>the NPC is latently possessed by a lesser demon and if you rape or torture him the demon awakens, morphs his body and triggers a battle with the party>the npc has a runic tattoo which casts an automatic teleport spell, blinking them away if they reach a certain threshold of damage to their HP>the NPC's screams alert nearby minions and triggers a fight with the party
>>96530122"He's wearing a helmet, thus you don't have a line of effect to his head with your acid arrow"
>>96530148Acid arrow targets a creature, not an object.
>>96529897Torture rarely ever gives useful information, but it can easily lead to death and ignoring that fact is fucking retarded.
>>96529478>You choose an area of water that you can seeFails, you waste a spell slot try again.
>>96530138that sounds exhausting for the DM. and it just turns into a game for the players to figure out how to torture all of your "torture-proof" NPCs.
>>96529115you can't magick what you can't see
>>96530167I use shape water to send the nearby puddle up his dick hole.
>>96530167>sneak on opponent as he's peeing in a river>cast shape water to continuously move pee from the river to his bladder upstream>he doesn't notice and keeps peeing for an hour straightperfect distraction.
>>96530242Going to have him unlock the secrets of the universe with an hour long piss
>>96529115In GURPS, this would just be at -3 to target groin with an appropriate spell. I don’t think theres a specific Wrench Groin skill but you can either make one or just punch them there. Groin hit location in gurps inflicts a penalty to stun tests for crushing damage, so it would work about as you’d expect.
