What is Mortarion's deal? I'm trying to understand him, but I just don't get him.He started to rebel because he got pissed at Big E for killing his abusive surrogate father in front of him? Despite hating said surrogate father?
>>96533635he sucked too many cocks
The HH books are fucking shite, that's the deal.
So you don't know, huh. So much for so-called fans.
>>96533635Mortarion's a massive shit-piss baby, that's it. he's a spiteful mutant who will hate authority on grounds the authority isn't himself, but from there, he just starts hating whoever's second to him and after that its just a series of executions until he stands alone. he's the most despicable kind of person imaginable: a reddit-grade libtard
He rebeled for the same reasons everyone did:Big E was a cunt. You don't need HH to tell you that.
>>96533984Spotted Magnus.
>>96533635>What is Mortarion's deal?Resentful contrarian belligerence for its own sake. Early in his life he became stuck in survival mindset and learned to be disagreeable about everything in order to get what he wanted. Malcador alludes to this in the short story Daemonology, when he reflects on how "damaged" Mortarion is compared to his brothers. They even tried to keep him around on Terra for an extra lengthy stay in hopes of working with him to heal it. But he just ended up resenting them for that too.tl:dr never grew out of his "teenage punk with a huge chip on his shoulder" phase.pic related personality type
>>96533990Guilliman actually
>>96533907>>96534034So... no big secret, no complex personality, he really did hate Big E for killing his surrogate dad.
>>96533635>Despite hating said surrogate father?The Emperor killed Necare effortlessly, not only showing Mortarion's weakness in the process but also made Mortarion's entire struggle seem like childsplay in the process. Emps didn't just kill Necare, he effortlessly killed him, all while Mortarion had to struggle fighting all the warlords to just get to Necare, only to be overcome by the toxins. Morty never got the catharsis of a victory over Necare, and had to live with the humiliation of having failed and being beaten by a stranger who now owned his fealty. He just wanted to overcome one abusive father, only to be saddled with an even stronger abusive father. Mortarian suffered and struggled, while the Emperor simply succeeded.
>>96534165I don't understand what the problem is.
>>96533635he just smells like, really bad>>96534089>father, i have returned to->TEN THOUSAND YEARS DOING NOTHING IN YOUR ROOM AND YOU COME BACK WITH A XENOS GIRLFRIEND>m-my emperor->NOT EVEN ONE OF THE COOL ONES LIKE JAGHATAI. WHY COULDNT YOU BE MORE LIKE HIM?>MY EMPIRE BETTER BE SPOTLESS WHEN I GET BACK. HOW MANY OF YOUR UNGREATFUL SHIT BROTHERS HAVE YOU SLAIN SO FAR?>...>YOU KNOW WHAT NEVER MIND, ILL GET LIONEL TO DO IT
>>96534183Imagine playing a very hard and very long D&D (or some other fighting heavy RPG) campaing, only for a absurdly overpowered NPC character coming and effortlesly killing the BBEG just when you are about to fight it and then telling you to bow down before him.Would leave a bad taste to most players mouth.
>>96533635HE wanted to kill his adoptive father, it's not that hard to understandand then it should be added that Mortarion hated tyrants, and his "father" (as if he could ever truly view the emperor that way) was the greatest tyrant in human history. reminder he joined the heresy *before* being corrupted by Nurgle.
>>96534217I like the idea of Emps called his kids by the most mundane version of their names. Konrad being a little shit makes perfect sense, his dad named him Konrad.>ROBERT, WHERE IS ROGER.>he's probably coming back any day now, dad, they only ever found his hand. he has plot deniability.>ROGER KNEW THE MEANING OF HATING XENOS>please don't bring my girlfriend into this, da-->AND MORTIMER, THAT FAT FUCK, HE NEEDS TO TAKE A BATH
>>96533635Emps stole his kill and he got really salty about it. Not that hard to understand>Yeah but that's a stupid!That's the entirety of HH fluff. You're best off ignoring it and treating the entire thing like it was treated 25 years ago; as an ill-understood mythologized past shrouded in rumor and hearsay.
>>96534346I mean, pre-HH fluff Lorgar left cuz Big E was mean to him.
>>96534102Yes. He hated his first adopted dad. He REALLY hated that he didnt get to kill him himself, and be the liberator of his planet...his OTHER more powerful dad than him who only says 'listen to me Mortarion I know best', then slapped him upside the head and said go crusade for me.Mortarion in his mind has NEVER been able to prove himself or actually make a 'good' decison. Hell even falling to Nurgle he resents because he literally cannot prove to be strong enough to defy something actually tougher than him, his dad, his Big E dad, Papa Nurgle, hell even TYPHUS tells him he's a bitch and takes half the legion.Mortarion is a sad pathetic man. He'd rather have died on Barbas than been saved by Big E, and that ruined him.
> get into deathguard only for the Aesthetics. thinking that i would get cool zombie marines>go in-depth into the lore >turns out that they are kind of lame and often made the butt of the joke. Their Dad is a whinny bitch, and he isnt allowed to look cool.i want to start over again.pic not related
>>96534339>DORNE MY SON ONLY YOU CAN DO THIS>YOU MUST TRAVEL DEEP INTO THE EYE>FIND PERTY'S DAEMON WORLD>AND BRING ME BACK HIS ROUTER>ALL THAT TIME ON THE COMUPTER IS MAKING HIM BITTER AND UNSOCIABLE, HE NEEDS TO LEAVE HIS ROOM
>>96534441The reasons why the traitors turned against the Emperor are the same as they were before the HH novel series. If it seems stupid in the novels, it's just as stupid in the Index Astartes articles and the codexes we had before the HH series began. >Horus fell because he was an arrogant pissbabby>Magnus fell because he was an arrogant pissbabby>Fulgrim fell because he was an arrogant pissbabby>Angron fell because he was an angry pissbabby>Perturabo fell because he was an autistic pissbabby>Mortarion fell because he was an autistic pissbabby>Curze fell because he was an autistic pissbabby>Alpharius fell because MYSTERYYYY OOOOOOOO
>>96534442huh. is that why he's always the bottom in all the gay porn? he cannonically spends all his time getting slapped around by daddy?
>>96533635He doesn't want to clean up his room.
>>96534590Just say your DG are tight with Typhus, they get to laugh about Morty being a bitch.
>>96534625>DAAAD ROGER WON'T SHARE HIS LEGOS>PETER YOU HAVE YOUR OWN LEGOS
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>>96534232Hah. Yeah, now I get it.
>>96533635I dunno, ask /hhg/
>>96533635Demon Primarch models are over-sized greeble-fests.
>>96533635The talent level of this painter is fucking unreal. Does anyone know who it was?
>>96533635He's a freedom fighter and humanist who realized too late he was working for the authoritarians and that humanity wasn't worth saving. How many planets did he conquer where the people were servile and weak, and were more than happy to fall to their knees in subservience to the new regime? He lost his heart and motivation, and only continued on due to his love of the men under him, true and stalwart warriors. And then he was set to lose them. Of course, this is mostly extrapolation from the old blurbs like Index Astartes. The Heresy novels are SHIT with horrible character writing.
>>96537449Oh and the falling out over the Emperor killing his evil dad. It's not like Angron where he was blue-balled, it was just the first step towards the realization that the Emperor was exactly what he had spent his life fighting; a powerful mutant psyker who's goal was the enslavement of humanity.
>>96534635>They all fell because they were pissbabiesHoly shit 8 Archaons.
you are trying to rationalize the work of midwit sub par authors writing way beyond their capabilitydo you self a favor and disregard all fluff after 1995
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>>96534165The Emperor pretty much does nothing but try to help Mortarion early on, gives him relics, items, advice, tries to lighten the load and handle things for his son so Morty won't have to.Mortarion takes it all as insults. He's much like Peter Turbo really.And then, at the end, Mortarion gives up, and surrenders to Nurgle.
>>96534635Alpharius was an autistic pissbaby too Or maybe it was Omegon idkJust see his interactions with Dorn
>>96534442He seethes the most at the thought that others might think him weak in any way, raging like a bitch at the imagined slight.He does it to the Khan in the Siege, and in Godblight his whole scheme boils down to "infect Guilliman with a plague to make him give in and prove I'm not weak because others surrendered too" and both times he gets blown the fuck out.Pic related is near the end of the Siege fight.
>>96534346>That's the entirety of HH fluff.People who talk like this really do not understand people. Primarchs, and to a lesser extend Space Marines, are people with far more power than most humans around them, and specific to 40k, have genetic inclination to certain behavior and personality traits Emps gave them. When people used to getting what they want are suddenly told no, by someone with the power to enforce it, they don't take it well. There are some specific exemptions, like Morty and Angron, but this completely explains the choices of every other traitor.
>>96534635And now we know Alpharius never fell.
>>96540251They did enough switcheroos throughout their career that it's effectively impossible to be sure which one is still around, all we know is that the surviving half of the twins is loyalist but still working with the traitors for... some reason. Probably because he's autistic. And that he took Alpharius's name once 'Alpharius' died to Dorn.
>>96540348The secret loyalist angle is such retarded bullshit. I fucking hate redditors for begging for it until it became canon.
>>96533635He's supposed to be resentment, the character.Unfortunately, HH writing sucks and didn't give him actual reasons that justify it.
>>96533635I thought it was a weak motivation to turn traitor but actually it makes a lot of sense.>Be forced into executing long-awaited plan prematurely>Inevitably fail, toxin suit wasn't ready>Emperor easily walks over him and achieves the goal>"I own you now."
>>96541605Also according to the AoD books, he was not entirely on-board until Horus brought up two things that lead to a third:>The Emperor is a Psyker, the very thing Mortarion abhors>The Emperor can be classified as a Tyrant, whom Mortarion detests>the latter leads to the Emperor being a massive hypocriteThough being honest, I think Angron and Fulgrim do have better motivations and they aren't entirely alright
>>96533635The whole legion exsists so noobs can pick an army they wont get tabeled with since DSTs are shits
>>96540091an autistic pissbaby right up to the moment he got chopped into pieces with a chainsword ACK
>>96543269Some still mald hard about that btw. And it's hilarious
>>96540073>And then, at the end, Mortarion gives up, and surrenders to Nurgle.He did this to save his legion from certain death.
>>96539918>forgetting 2nd fluff makes it clear the Horus Heresy began cuz Lorgar left as Big E was a "big meanie"
>>96543421>He did this to save his legion from certain death.And in so doing, damned them to slavery to dark gods.
>>96544441Just like how one of the Space Marine Chapters fell to chaos:By begging for something they should've never asked for
>>96533635He held a grudge against Emps for denying his vengeance against his adopted dad
>>96542766What motive did Fulgrim have to go traitor besides that demon sword taking him over?
>>96533635>>96539918 is on the money. Pretty much all the confusing and dumb shit in the setting is from bad authors. Horus Heresy was better without 100 novels, half of them legitimately bad, explaining away the mythos. The Emperor, the Primarchs, the Imperial leadership apparatus, the legions, the plotting xenos are all idiots because most of the people writing them are sheltered hacks who got their understanding of engineer, strategy, religion, familial relationships etc from other average authors.
a weak man who hates weakness- in so doing, proves his true weakness. He is an insecure pissant>constant resentment against adoptive father>feels need to prove himself as one of the humans, to find a true home amongst them>consuming need to prove himself as the hero>rebels against adoptive alien father not due to moral or even species reasons- but to be The Big Hero after winning, to prove himself better, more worthy>hates Emp for "taking away" that opportunity>hates Emp for "showing him up">sees Emp gifting him legion, gifts, relics, honours as an insult and reminder of his new subsidiary status instead of, well, gifts and favour>Literally would rather die than win against the tyrant, if it's not him that did it>Dusk Raiders also gain a culture of scorning weakness (poison cup thing is one example)So in a twist of fate, it is they who succumb to weakness through nurgle and beg to be saved- driven to such depths of despair beyond any they experience: they beg to serve a new, worse master.And they are now happy for it.
>>96537618Chaos has a type for sure
>>96544977>Pretty much all the confusing and dumb shit in the setting is from bad authors. lolno, the Horus Heresy was a laughingstock since day one, long before Horus Rising came out. Half the threads on /tg/ pre-HH novels were people asking why the Emperor was so retarded that he failed to understand the severe emotional instabilities of half his sons and let them fester until they turned traitor.
>>96544852Basically, Horus tells him what he saw in Davin with such fervor and manages to word it in a way that makes it sound like the Emperor is holding mankind from Perfection, which is Fulgrim's main focus, with his lies.And since Fulgrim is already half-corrupted, plus he respected Horus a lot, it made it easy for him to join the Traitors.Doesn't help that Fulgrim wants to argue but he sees that Horus REALLY is pissed at the Emperor for what he saw on Davin.
>>96534590Believe it or not, but you can just play a death guard warband that doesn’t follow Mortarian
>>96545187Yeah, there's literally an Ex-Deathshroud that went blackshield in HH.There's also vectoriums(DG's version of Warbands) that ignore Mortarion's summons, though that is usually at their own risks.
>>96545170Thanks for explaining. Been awhile.
>>96539918>>96544977Lots of fun things are bad. Anime is bad. Wrestling is bad. Doesn't mean it's not fun to pick them apart or argue about who would beat up who.
>>96537387Stole pic from here:https://richardgraycreations.com/mortarion/
>>96545044>And they are now happy for it.Up until they get too close to a blank and Nurgle's forced happiness vanishes and they suddenly realise what they are, what they've done, and feel all the squirming disease inside. Then they scream and beg for death.
>>96533635Similar deal to Angron. Life experiences taught him to hate tyrants. The Emps was a tyrant. Do the math.
i love morty
>>96533635>What is Mortarion's deal? I'm trying to understand him, but I just don't get him.hes the bad guy leading the zombie marines
>>96534183The problem is that Big E didn’t give a shit about Mortarian’s problems and just wanted to use him for his crusade. If you still don’t understand what his mindset is then how about you try reading his HH books for yourself instead of wanting perspective drilled into you by strangers online.
