I was reading Pathfinder 2e, and came across pic related.Imagine buying this game for your kid because cool sword fights and magic, and they have to read pic related. Actually, forget kids, I didn't want to read this shit either. I'm just reading a book about sword fights and magic, do you really have to spring scat and rape on me? It feels deranged and insane, but apparently most people love it, claiming "some people really need it."Am I fucking insane? Is this normal for RPGs now a days?
>>96548215Hey, don't knock it. That's probably great advice if your target market are wimpy faggots.
>>96548215I wouldn't want to break most of these rules, but I also bristle at the implication of being told what to do.>I have thought about doing a Warlock who's like pic related though
>>96548215>Am I fucking insane? No.>Is this normal for RPGs now a days?Sadly, yes.
>>96548315My personal favorite is that the Conan RPG has one. That's just a baffling contrast.>"Hmm, I would like to play an RPG set in a sanitized environment which doesn't offend my current-year urbanite sensibilities.">"I know, I'll choose this one based on 1920s pulp novels about knaves and vagrants roaming around iron age places full of violence, slavery, drug abuse, rape and supernatural horrors!" Said nobody with a lick of sense, ever.
>>96548215What disgusting formatting. The sub-list from "torture" on should be identified as such rather than just tacked onto the end of the existing list.
>>96548297>autistic loser has authority issuesimagine my shock
>>96548360The correct way would probably have been to separate the "Player characters shouldn't perform the following acts:" as a short paragraph, but the page ends right there, so I guess they didn't have space, lol.The rest of the book is fine though, I actually think it's nicely organized, and its quite clear. It does have a lot of typos though.It obviously has a lot of woke stuff in it, which is annoying, but this section really soured it for me.
>>96548297You're not being told what to do. I won't tell you that nonsense is worth reading, but it's absurd to get mad at it without doing so.
>>96548215>no mention of racism, sexism, trannyphobia, etcI didn't know pf was based
It's not about being told what to do for me, it's just the tone feels really off, and this section just comes at you out of nowhere. Like you're reading about exploration mode and all of a sudden you're bombarded with sex and gore and child abuse. It just feels weird man. Reading it just feels weird. Maybe I'm the snowflake.>>96548431Oh that's the entirety of the book already, so they didn't need to mention those here.
>>96548215>Imagine buying this game for your kid because cool sword fights and magic,Imagine thinking that kids play tabletop RPGs.
>>96548215Am I crazy? Are you complaining about scat, rape, torture, etc. Being brought up in section telling about topics that should be avoided because you want to avoid hearing about those topics? What is exactly the issue you're having? This section is agreeing with you.
I'm sure you just came across that while doom scrolling on the shitter.
>>96548680Nope. First page of chapter 8: Playing the game. p.397 of the new Player core>>96548665Yes, you are crazy. But aren't we all?
Nowhere in the excerpt is scat mentioned. Learn English, you retarded third-worlders.
>>96548459>Like you're reading about exploration mode and all of a sudden you're bombarded with sex and gore and child abuse. It just feels weird man. Reading it just feels weird. You skipped a section about Making Choices, which naturally leads into a section about bad choices and things which should be left unsaid or unchosen. And most teenagers, the lower end of players for the game, already know about these things. Setting a baseline for them is important because lots of teens, and manchildren who never grew up, need an official statement to shut the fuck up about all these nasty topics.>Maybe I'm the snowflake.Yes. Yes you are. Youre also a troll baiting posters.
>>96548215> now a daysLol esl
All women want to be raped
>>96548215>Harm to childrenCool, I'm going to make the party fight children.No, you're not allowed to attack them, even in a nonlethal way.
>>96548424You absolutely are being told what to do, because it's an attempt to create a social convention that will be enforced by the playerbase.
>>96550569It's an attempt to provide a baseline social convention, with the explicit statement that this "works for many groups" and you can "talk about what types of content you want in your game". Paizo is not planning to break into your home if you have a different set of principles.
>>96550688That and setting up that the players are meant to be playing heroes, not vile villians who indulge in monstrous acts.Oh, and here's the full page OP decided to exclude for some reason.
>>96550737If players arent meant to play villains then any evil dirty shouldn't be available
Let me know when OP reads the 4th edition D&D dmg, the 2nd edition vtmb chronicler handbook, or any other handbook for literal children released in the last 25y. Until then he's a stupid fucking nigger in charge of doing what hes told like a good little prisoner and you are all replying unironically to a troll thread on this dying board.
>>96549070>scatological
>>96550737>playing heroes, not vile villiansAnd yet the faggots at Paizo keep trying to make "bad guy" APs and utterly fail to have you do... anything actually bad in them. At least for PF2e anyway.But I guess maybe the "people" who wrote Bloodlords think becoming part of the government is evil in of itself.
>>96550569>You absolutely are being told what to doYou're not. Stop making up stupid bullshit. Particularly when it's so transparently false.
>>96548215>talk with your group about where the line is>here's a list that generally works>check the GM guide for more infoYeah, I think you're either looking for something to argue about, or you're so painfully autistic that you really do need to be reminded that "Legally-Distinct Berzerk" is not a tone most people enjoy.
>>96549224You appear to be lost, thus is 4chan. R*ddit is down the hall, just follow the scents if sewage and self flagellation
>>96553543Its too bad PF2e was so underrated, maybe if they had more success there could be more interest in it at organized play.
>>96552639>And yet the faggots at Paizo keep trying to make "bad guy" APs and utterly fail to have you do... anything actually bad in them. At least for PF2e anyway.This is what the people want. Almost single story that centers "the bad guy" makes them turn out to not actually be very bad. The only exception is the Prequel Trilogy.
>>96552639We aren't out here trying to have rightoids satanic panic the hobby again. You can add it when you prep the ap, which you totally do. Right anon? You do know how to prep an ap, right? That is a think you totally do, right? You don't just run it as it, right? Right? Right you fucking mongoloid?
>>96548215Responsible parents don't buy their kids pathfinder
>>96553823The godless queers running Paizo are already plenty satanic>You can add it when you prep the apThis is pure cope when the Gamemaster and Player handbook say not to.I can also make Pathfinder a real time game when I prep it, but pretending like the system isnt turn based from the RAW is retardedJust homebrew it to brush over everything thats dogshit as-written is the most retarded cope, every time without fail
>>96548215>merely mentioning something is the same as wholeheartedly endorsing something>scratch that, it explicitly lists those things as something NOT TO DOBait used to be believable
>>96550688Yes they are.
>>96548215just ignore it retard it's for people playing games
>>96551298Only thing similar in 4e DMG is>Some people play because D&D lets them run wild, wreaking havoc in towns and going on what amounts to crime sprees or betraying their allies. What they want in the game has nothing to do with heroic adventure, but with using the game rules to act out antisocial fantasies.>Talk to your players, reopening the conversation about the kind of game you want to play. If it’s just one player causing the trouble, it’s perfectly appropriate to issue an ultimatum: If an out-of-control player wants to continue playing with the group, he has to stop being disruptive and play as part of a team.Nothing about scat or rape, only dealing with That Guy.
>>96553823>running APscuck behavior.
>>96550737>You're not being told what to do>You are just being TOLD what to doWhy not just admit you're a bootlicker?
>>96551298VTM 2nd edition was not for kids and it made a point of explicitly telling players they shouldn't play the games if they're not ready to handle gross stuff. DnDone was made for kids after the satanic panic as a form of censorship.
It's a pretty typical problem that you have to mention what you don't want in order to express that you don't want it. Though they could've just instructed players to try and maintain a light-hearted tone, keep it pg-13, don't wallow in the muck, etc, instead of actually saying "uh and no poo poos and pee pees and don't rape anyone!"
>>96550501>t.
I get OP's point from a "the war on drugs introduced kids to drugs" angle, but the fuckin internet exists now a RPG playguide will probably the last place a kid learns about these things (and unfortunately yes, the writers DO have to account for this)
>>96555378>after the satanic panicThat was 40 years ago.
>>96548215>buying RPG books for kids>"Moooom! Why'd you buy me this book? It's so woke and cringe and telling me that I can't rape or use unethical mind control on my child sex slaves!"OP, consider never having kids and then kill yourself for good measure.
>>96550501I roll to bribe the child soldiers with vbux and robux so they work for me instead. My indestructible army of child soldiers will be fairly compensated.
>>96548355A while back, a forum I frequented did a poll about how people got into various franchises.The Conan one revealed most people's first exposure to Conan (not counting mentions in other media) was the nineties cartoon Conan The Adventurer.Food for thought.
>>96555398You underestimate how unhinged and depraved the average RPGslop player is. Of course these are issues that should be handled by the GM and not outlined in the rulebook
>>96555718There has been many satanic panics after the first one with dnd. The ones with videogames like GTA, Doom, and anime are one example. Anyway DnD still got censored after the first satanic panic so what Shitzo is doing should be called out for being exactly that.
>>96548215What is actually bad about the villains if they don't engage in any of torture, rape, harm to children, slavery or reprehensible use of mind-control magic?Are they just evil because they are meanies?
>>96548215i run a bronze age game and half my players are lgbt or nonwhite zoomers and not a single one has bitched about slavery or concubines existing (or even being a legitimate means of making money). in fact, the only black girl in the group wanted to get her character some concubines. lol
>>96556055they used the PC’s de*dname and misgendered them
>>96553823Kill yourself.
>>96556055They could steal shit. Also, simple murder is open.
>>96548215no torture?how else my players are gonna show their characters are Neutral alignment?
>>96557885>Neutral alignmentDon't worry anon, they removed alignment too.
>>96548215>or profiting from slaverySomehow, I really don’t think they want us wandering down the rabbit hole on who may currently be profiting from slavery.
Imagine being opposed to Special Cybernetic Attack Teams. Do you even hack?
>>96558122It's because they scrubbed their setting of slavery. Which is funny because the first big campaign released for the 2nd edition involved fighting slavers. Somehow that supposedly had enough of a shockwave to end it all over the planet.Sure.
>>96558609Paizo at least actually commits to their social justice, unlike WotC who just put "this is bad and we are ashamed it exists" disclaimers on old editions and modules, but still accepts money for them.
>>96548215The second you show a page like that to some 13-year-olds you better believe their ttrpg will be about trafficking baby sex slaves for organ harvesters by feeding them mind-control inducing shit.
>>96548215Is all complains until your fat gm does a seductive voice
>>96560017Making such a drastic change purely because a couple of your freelancers feel uncomfy writing it is incredibly cringe.
>>96548215imagine still being ass-assaulted by a convention available in game books since the nineties
>>96560017Paizo is incredibly horseshit and sanitizes everything to a retarded degree. Lawful Evil country literally run by devils and anti-paladins and the "tyranny" amounts to extra military parades.Ikeshti in Starfinder had the same problem, where their life cycle went from a riff on Piggies and Pak Protectors to hippy dippy shit where the male adults gently raise the feral children and females go wandering the stars.
>>96565687>Piggies and Pak ProtectorsWhat?
>>96556089Nah, in current year's nu-fiction being queerphobic is considered so over the top extreme evil that even demons and tyrants consider it unthinkable.
>>96565687Cheliax is the most toothless evil empire I've ever seenThe only thing they ever came close to winning was in Hells Vengeance and that was just maintaining the limpdick status quoThey lost Sargava to random spearchuckers, they lost a huge chunk of land in Hells Rebels, every time they show up in other stories they get their shit pushed inAt this point anything short of them conquering Absalom for decades isn't enough
>>96548215>slavery somehow being treated as more inconceivable to feature in a game than rapeI can perfectly picture something like an orc war camp having slaves they captured from raiding a nearby settlement or something but when the fuck is rape EVER coming up in a normal game?
>>96552959I think it's more that the "this works for many groups" bit is kind of undermined by the proscriptive language further down. The text frames it as optional but it comes across that the authors don't actually want players to treat it as such. There's also RL context, the authors are known to be left leaning after all and clearly expect the players to use their game in a certain way. If they actually didn't care they'd probably just have written the first sentence and ditched the rest.I haven't seen the GM core mind, what's that say?
>>96548215>imagine buying this game for your kidWhoa, let me stop you there OP. Kids fuck around on Omegle, stay in their rooms listening to influencers, play vidya or occasionally do sports with other kids. If I’m buying a gift for a kid, I’m going to buy one that’s actually worth the money for it instead of something completely alien to them like Pathfinder.
>>96566470>OmegleAnon...
>>96548215That's retarded. Slaves are a mainstay of all proper fantasy worlds. If you don't have slavers and slave traders in your world, your world is simply not believable.The rest of this is protestable too, but more than any details the attitude that they attempt to tell DMs how to run their own tables is arrogant. They are a bunch of nobodies from across the world; who are they to tell me how to run my games for my group? They have never met a single member of them and never will. Arrogance.
>>96550569>don't bring your scat fetish to the game table>WHAT! YOU'RE TRYING TO OPPRESS ME!!!!
>>96548215The funny thing is that most of these are unobjectionable from a real group actually playing, but I don't want some basedboy writer telling me it should be so.
>>96567237The European middle ages didnt have slaves.
>>96568026It did have serfs which are only slightly above slaves in status
>>96568026It did, in lesser extent, and "slave", "serf" and even "servant" were sometimes used interchangeably by contemporary writers and scholars when discussing laborers and servants in Europe. As a concrete example, there were contemporary rumors in the 1500s that Alessandro de' Medici might have been a child of pope Clement VII who he had with a Moorish slave girl from his or his family member's household..
>>96548215>slaverySo does Cheliax just not exist anymore?
>>96557897good, alignment for players was retarded and made people act out of character because they felt like they had to justify their characters peg on the arbitrary alignment board
>>96558163is this that stupid genesis game about a house booby trapped to kill vampires
>>96568026we still have slaves even now, we just made them feel better about it
