Why did GW drop the tacticool and less detailed Primaris marine aesthetic and go back to ornate gothic designs?Everyone on /tg/ told me sparines marines were supposed to be plain and that gothic shit was bad and no one liked it? They told me christmas tree models were bad? What happened?
Because primaris was Kirby's attempt to AoS 40k but when that flopped they pivoted hard but primaris were too far into production. Primaris marines were complete ass when they released and were lame as fuck. The same people who bought them are the same kinds of people who saw Grown-ups 2 over Pacific Rim. Of course Primaris fanboys twisted themselves into nots to pretend primaris looked better and weren't, as you put, super bland. But it's not that they actually liked bland shit they just were fanboys. Primaris were just one of the worst looking model ranges in the entire 40k lineup. It seems GW has listened to the frogs and brought back the aesthetic everyone actually liked and made space marines popular in the first place. I'm looking forward to the Primaris range getting the Storm Cast treatment and being the gothic space knights they were always meant to be and leave Kirby's shitty kidified playschool designs in the dustbin.
These look like shit and are boring
>>96551834Xitter tourist says what
>>96551838lmao cope
>>96551838Nah you're a faggot. Sorry no one likes tacticool shit.
>>96551792>Everyone on /tg/ told me sparines marines were supposed to be plain and that gothic shit was bad and no one liked itYou're making that up, bro. Everyone was going "FUCK YEAHHHHHHHHH" when they saw the new Victrix Guard. They are still Primaris but doesn't matter.
>>96551846Fuck you were faster than me. This is definitelly Marshal Bohemond after his 11th attempt at saying he will Leave 40k.>>96551838Lmao how does it feel to be wrong?
>>96551792If they're going to justify their insane prices they actually need to make good models. Primaris just got mogged by all the other armies and honestly just kind of looked out of place. Look how good the CSM range is in comparison. They had to step up their game and make space marines less boring.
>>96551846>>96551860I don't know who your gay eceleb is I spend my time actually playing.
>>96551792Because Primaris fatigue finally set in and SM2 made people want ornate marines instead of the plain boring ones on tabletop. >>96551838Shove an inceptor up your ass loser. That banner alone is better than every primaris model released in 8th.
>>96551879The Banner beung THE Banner of Macragge is soo fucking cool."Our presence remakes the past"
>>96551890It's SOUL.
>>96551838Kys fag
Lots of people assumed I like primaris but the fact of the matter is that everything released after space wolves is all just too samey in the worst possible way. The only good marines gw have released were those nu mk2 marines in hh
>>96551854I have countless arguments with retards in the 40kg of people shitting on "gothic" designs and using the term "christmas tree" to describe any model with more than one purity seal.
>>96552004You're confusing that with a different argument. New GW models tend towards being too detailed, unnecessarily so. There's a certain balance you have to strike, it's all about being an actually competent modelling artist. With too many details, too dynamic of poses, and few options, it all looks like shit as a tabletop army.
>>96551994The heads are too small and backpacks are ugly, otherwise the nu mkII are nice
>>96551792>Why did GW drop the tacticoolI think that encompasses so many sci fi miniature kits already, people want this gothic / dark age feel from 40k. I'm priced out though so I do other things.
They should just have upscaled the classic marine design, these still are primaris and that ruins it even if it is an improvement.
>>96551792Because when GW makes Primaris kits that utilise older aesthetics/gear or design sensibilities it makes bank. It is very clear that people have less of an issue with Primaris when they are basically just being used as a scale refresh.
>>96551792Is my math right that the banner would have to be about 24 feet tall (the staff part included) if it was all to scale?
>>96551834Ah yes primaris famously crashed and burned and didn't make GW a bazillion dollars, that's why GW makes even less money now than they did before.
>>96552269Or.. and I am just throwing this out there. tg is full of contrarian assholes who just like to bitch and moan and complain.
You know, this is actually one of the few things I like about the recent Primaris stuff. It actually makes sense in a fluff way. They started out looking bland because they were fresh off the assembly line but now that they've been around for a while their owners have been putting crazy decorations on them like the did with the old armors. It feels like a natural progression.
>>96552751It feels more like corporate backtreading though. Like with Halo. 343 tried to remake the armor and it was ugly and pretty stupid so they had to go back to the old design so draw people back in only GW isn't bleeding support like they were/are.
>>96551792What is the new cope now that Primaris look like Christmas trees?
>>96552751The problem with original Primaris stuff (and even some later stuff) is their completely non-sensical design when it comes to simple stuff like weapons and wargear. Part of which is modern CAD sensibilities of every surface must have some 'detail' regardless of whether it makes contextual sense or helps convey their role etc. So it isn't much surprise when taking older wargear and weapons onto Primaris looks better aesthetically since most of those were designed back when there was at least some understanding of sensical design.
>>96551854I agree, I saw way more people complaining about "Call of Duty Space Marines"
I think the tactical look actually works with the vanguard primaris stuff, not including the stealth dread thing.
>>96553287There is a world of difference between having a tactical design and having a tacticool design. In general Primaris were the latter since they appeared to be design by a committee of no-guns idiots. And then there was non-sensical unit design where their function in an army didn't make sense or their equipment loadout for such a function was just wrong. The Stealth Dread you mentioned being a good example of that. Have the function and gear designed by someone who put actual thought into it and some decent stuff can be made.
>>96551854No he's not. For years primaris fags railed against "gothic" designs. stfu.
>>96551792>Why did GW drop the tacticool and less detailed Primaris marine aesthetic and go back to ornate gothic designs?That's like thinking gw dropped the dark angels aesthetic when they had a wave of releases for space wolves.
>>96553365What is that primaris gun that is a rocket launcher with a bolter or another rocket launcher on it? I could not figure out what the fuck they were thinking when they made that.
>>96553423Desolators. Hands down the stupidest Primaris kit made to date.
>>96551792What does 'good' tactical space marines look like?
>>96553463Primaris bodies with pre-Primaris gear are great. Literally just give them regular Bolters, Backpacks, and Helmets and it helps immensely.
I don't play 40k, so it's always funny seeing this board rage about primaris and how nobody likes them, and then going to my lgs and check on how the 40k players are doing, only to see nothing but primaris.
>>96551792"Primaris" Tactical Squads soon KEK
>>96553423100% an early design that was held back for two editions for whatever reasonIf Calgar can get a proper model after all this time, Primaris can get proper missile launchers
>>96551834rountree is just as bad as kirby btw he's just much better at advertising the product
>>96551792You're conflating two problems, retard-kun. They live on independent axis: Gothic vs. Tacticool and detailcreep/christmas tree vs. sparsely adorned.Pick up a reiver from ten man box. Compare and contrast that to a lieutenant in reiver armor/phobos captain.
>>96553982people who think "grimderp" is a thing should not be involved in 40k btw because being concerned about the setting being grimdark means it's just not for you
>>96551792heh, nothing like drop-chaos-arty-shells-on-my-unhelmeted-ass sign
>>965537944chan is full of needlessly contrarian idiots.
>>96554000CHECKED. All of Nu40k is a consequence of the grimderp meme
>>96554091>gw marketing department sees a vocal minority of fans online complaining about "le grimderp!" in 5th, 6th and 7th editions while autistic fans make shitty "noblebright" 40k fanfics that a minority of fans clap like seals at>marketing department assumes the 40k fandom wants 40k to be less grimdark since the online community won't shut the fuck up about how grimdark stuff is "le grimderp, which is bad!" and caves, ushering in primaris marines and guilliman arriving to save the day like superheroes>pretty much half the fandom is upset by this but buys the models anyway because the basic intercessor kit is decent and better scaled than previous marine kitsNu40k is a warning for what happens when a company listens to fucking 1d4chan for advice on what to do with their long-running franchise
>>96553423For me it's the flying autocannon guys that clearly polled so bad they never gave them a solo release.
I don't think anything changed they've just moved on from making mostly generic battleline primaris models to mostly ornate chapter-specific characters full of themed garbage.
>>96551792They didn't, see the new deathwatch kill team, they just remembered there are different types of space marines.
>>96551792>Why did GW drop the tacticool and less detailed Primaris marine aesthetic and go back to ornate gothic designs?because it was not only cringe and beyond out of place for WH40K, it made normal muhreens look like outdated worthless trash. Which pissed off muhreen players forcing them to buy a bunch of new models. It forced them to change their armies look&aesthetic. It was also beyond fucking stupid because muhreen armor has a bunch of sensors&shit built into it along with brains being programmed to RIP&TEAR. They do not need any of this shit because every muhreen has h4x&aimbots built in.Muhreen players being the cancer that they are were not pleased that primaris were considered the newest and greatest garry stu's. All the old cool dudes battle hardened with millennia of battles,history&experience. Were considered completely worthless to a newly made primaris muhreen.There is nothing wrong with primaris per-say its just how GW forced them into everything and how they did it. Was beyond retarded angering muhreen players and thus a massive amount of the player base. It was also the beginning of the modern cancer era shoving in nonstop shit that did not fit the settings/armies.All to sell new models forcing players to spend hundreds of dollars or else their armies were worthless even outside of tournament play. The cost of GW products has kept skyrocketing since 2010 even tho 3D printers have gone from a niche with horrific details. to insanely cheap&fast machines able to print models that are highly detailed quickly and cheap as fuck.Instead of like GW investing in their own 3D printer and selling a multi level monthly subscription. To print models allowing users to create and upload shit making it official&canon. They could have easily came up with some jewish subscription service that allowed people to print "offical" GW models on their printers with some retarded encryption.instead they wentlets charge even more for our models.
>>96551792>Everyone on /tg/ told me sparines marines were supposed to be plain and that gothic shit was bad and no one liked it? They told me christmas tree models were bad? What happened?You're conflating different criticisms because you never bother to understand the various discussions and lump them together under one poorly retained glob of ideas under >nolikeythingsCluttered models can be tacticool or baroque or whatever you want to cover them in. There were and are anons who dislike that style. There are no less detailed primaris designs, they're all covered in things, the things vary but its generally a very covered surface. There are anons who dislike new thing because its new rather than anything else. There are anons who dislike new thing because its part of a gradual enshitification of things they liked before or because its a focus on part of the setting they're less interested in. This doesn't invalidate the reasons other anons may dislike it due to various stylistic or artistic concerns. tl;dr there can be more than one reason different people will say different things even if you can't tell them apart on 4chins
>>96552694Silence. Reality has no place in this discussion.
Spehss Muhreen design peaked in the early-mid 2000s
>>96551792Finally posting on the right board eh, /a/non?That aside, only cockguzzler newfags defended their cleaner, tacticool aesthetics. Enough complaints gradually changed GW's design course, starting with the return of terminators. Still, primaris will always be shit.
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>>96553933I should've noticed the finger curling on the Monkey's Paw when Kirby left but I really wanted to believe things would get better
>>96554670Everyone wanted to believe things would get better. Remember the "NEW GAMES WORKSHOP" cope??? "THEY'RE LISTENING NOW, GUYS!!!" nah brother they just got better advertising
>>96551834>Because primaris was Kirby's attempt to AoS 40k but when that flopped they pivoted hard but primaris were too far into productionThe "actually we've had super duper Marines in the freezer since 30k lol" plot point always felt very last minute to me. Wonder what the original explanation for Primaris was before GW got cold feet. My money's on a bigger timeskip between 7 and 8.
>>96551834>the same kinds of people who saw Grown-ups 2 over Pacific Rimthere's a niche reference with a highly personal anecdote attached, no doubt
>>96554466everything peaked then
>>96554930No coincidence Dawn of War 1 came out the same year as 4th Edition and got an expansion for every year of it
>>96554466Holy CHECKED I miss the eagle head backpack
>>96553805The devastator kit will never be as good as it is right now. I have one built, and one just for the bits but i might buy another one before it gets burried with the rest of the firstborn. Shame weapon options have also been gutted, the fact that kit gave you two of every heavy weapon is amazing
>>96554181>1d4chan getting shit on after glazing the dumbest grimderpI used to pray for times like this>>96554091Funny cuz ironically nu40k can be classified as Grimderp and I wish I was lying.
>>96553463Literally slightly upscaled classic tactical marines
>>96555057What blows my mind is why the devastator kit only had two of each weapon so you could never make a full squad with the same weapons unless you bought two boxes.The plastic Horus heresy heavy weapons and special weapon upgrade sprues are a blessing from heaven however.
>>96555175How? Seems like a recent thing to overcorrect for the 8th & 9th editions being to noblebright
>>96555229>What blows my mind is why the devastator kit only had two of each weaponOnce upon a time you got one each.
>>96554705Near if not total setting nuke Primarchs return on both sides, Terra is destroyed and the Emperor ascended, Ynnead kills Slaanesh and humans, eldar, and MAYBE Tau in one big 'order' alliance
Primaris Imperial Fist
>>96555235>Terminus Decree is revealed to be nonsense>The Damocles Crusade was a Tau Inside Job>Black Templars treating Astropaths(who are refered as "sanctified" and tolerated in 4th edition) like trash. notice I didn't included Navigators cuz I think they deserve it
>>96554181This is a VERY accurate assessment.Fuck noblebright
>>96555603Terminus decree being revealed is retarded, it should have stayed a mystery, but I'm glad we got soft confirmation that the Emperor will never return, as that would ruin the setting. As for the other shit, GOOD. 40k should be a fucking metal album cover of grimdark, not retarded ass "noblebright" fiction. If you're too much of a pussy to see your favorite factions do illogical and evil shit, you should fuck off back to star wars or star trek. Faggot
>>96555951>he thinks I'm complaining about BT doing purgings in their deus vult LARPingsLmao
>>96555968All psykers deserve to be treated like trash, faggot. The fucking Imperial Guard in Gaunt's Ghosts treats Emperor-sanctioned psykers worse than the 9th/10th ed BT ever have. KILL ALL WITCHES
>>96556062Dawg you should kill worst things, like our barber that gave you that yee-yee ass bowl haircut.Also>Imperial GuardWho cares about what oveglorified wave rushes think lmao.
>>96551792So now that the design studio is apparently back to the good old days, when are we going to get a Primaris Tactical Squad with Bolt Carbines?
>>96558226Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to it under the justification of Bobby deciding to write Codex Astartes 2.0. And it would basically be Codex 1.0 but with a few of the less hated Primaris units rolled in. In other words we get Tac, Dev, and Assault squads back. The only problem with that though is even if brought back they would suffer from GW's 'not in the kit not in the rules' shit, and I don't see them cramming as many Heavy and Special weapon options into the unit anymore. Unless they do something crazy like sell Combat Squads with different kits to cover all the options. Unless maybe they do the basic box + weapon kit like HH gets.
>>96558260What I'm really wondering is what the heavy weapons would be besides a Heavy Bolter or the Desolator Nerfguns. Maybe repurpose the Autocannons from the godawful Suppressor models?
>>96558411Hopefully it would be a return to tradition and the options are Missile Launcher, Heavy Bolter, Heavy Plasma, Multi-Melta, and Lascannon. None of this zoomer Grav or Vulkite crap.
>>96551792Anon you're a fucking loser for relitigating an arguement you had on /40kg/ in 2018
>>96558260>Codex Astartes 2.0He already did that, so it would be Codex Astartes 3 0
>>96558666Thanks Satan
>>96551846what
>>96558450Idk man, I love Grav and Volkite. One crushes you to death and the other explodes you like a Hamster.The former shoukdn't be a pistol, though.
>>96558909I know anon. I am just being a salty grog about it.
>>96558937Fair enough, I can respect that.
>>96558450If they used the old horus heresy designs for grav and volkite I would be fine with it
>>96554466So many options, I love bits and options bro
>>96559096Conceptually I don't mind the weapons existing, but they should really be relegated to special/character units in 40k. HH they can be everywhere though since they are from that era.
>>96554705Skipping Mk9 seems like it could be a relic of that supposed timeline. But with no evidence it seems like it’ll forever be speculation.
>>96555229>a blessing>selling you stuff they should already have given youand this is why GW keeps making profit.
>>96559718Forgive them anon, for they likely know not how things were before. Or what it was like to have a real bits box comprised of all the interchangeable leftovers from your other kits.
>>96558450I wouldn't mind throwing in a Heavy Flamer for the first time.
>>96555229I would only accept this kind of box for 40k if it had five each of six different heavy weapons, ten of one weapon is way too many and you'd just be paying through the nose for a huge pile of guns that you have absolutely no use for.
>>96560411That is for Salamanders.
>>96554314>per-say
>>96555413>dude these Blood Bowl marines look really good>why don't we just...
>>96555229What are those weapons? Second one is an autocanon right?
>there are primaris for flamers, melta, plasma, rocket launchers >there’s no primaris heavy support unit that use auto canon or heavy bolters and volkiteOdd, I thought GW likes money
>>96555229Sprue space is limited
>>96551792>Why did GW drop the tacticool and less detailed Primaris marine aesthetic and go back to ornate gothic designs?Tacticool marines have not been dropped and neither were ornate marines at any point. You're just a retarded shitposter
>>96562889Volkite culverin, a horus heresy 30k weaponAutocannonLascannon
>>96563675I'm still annoyed they squatted the classic marine Deathwatch box
>>96563349They could easily add another sprue, there is space or just increase the box size. It makes no sense.
>>96560411The old manlet Sternguard kit had one
>>96566056Anon, we don't even get multiple different sprues for anything in Necromunda. Literally everything bar the vehicles is 1 sprue but with 2 of those in the box. For a game that has a crazy amount of options. And even when making an accessory sprue they don't make it full sized and instead give us 2 of the same smaller sprue. We literally cannot have nice things given how GW chooses to operate.
>>96566054Well yeah they were OG marines.
>>96566052Thanks. But what’s the point of lascanon when multi melta and heavy plasma already exist?
>>96551792Because the primaris marines were already shoved out the door and so they just had to be worked with. And generally sci-fi gothic aesthetics is the stuff that Warhammer 40k lives and breathes so it was only inevitable that the primaris marines would get such a treatment.
>>96551792more evocative.
>>96551834>The same people who bought them are the same kinds of people who saw Grown-ups 2 over Pacific Rim.Holy fucking preach, brother. Nailed it. I fucking hated how Warner Bros sabotaged their own golden goose because they hated working with an auteur like Del Toro. No one saw the film because it was barely advertised and there was zero merchandise flooding stores to promote the movie to a younger audience.
>>96551792I wish they would get rid of the flanged kneepads
>>96576184>flanged kneepadsLike they did with the Primaris Space Wolves Blood Claws? They even gave some of them the older style full lower leg cover without kneepads and older helmets.
>>96576227>that one in the mark 6 helmet is just an OG true-scale marineIt hurts that we live in an alternate timeline where that didn't happen.
>>96551792still got the ugly and pointless primaris designee cues. thigh flaps, kneee fins, gorget with random gap in the middle ect.
>>96554181Most of the lore people vehemently complaining about coming out now is grimderp.>Black Templar retcon.>Terminus Decree.>Ynnari plotline being written out and made irrelevant in the dumbest way possible.Might be missing some things, but these are the most common ones outside of things like femcustodes.
>>96555951You sound like fun to be around.
>>96551792>Why did GW drop the tacticool and less detailed Primaris marine aesthetic and go back to ornate gothic designs?Because there is currently a "fixing project" for the primaris where they have to stay but they can have what made the original space marines cool.The stain of primaris space marines being an asspull will never quite be washed out. But GW can try to give them all the ques that made what they call "firstborn" marines cool like gothic aesthetics.
>>96576184A literal non issue since you can just cut them off.
>>96576184I would probably start buying primaris if they switched the helmets and removed the kneepad flanges. Retarded design that ruins the whole thing.
>GW tells Jes Goodwin to design nuMarines>Jes Goodwin doesn't want to design nuMarines, he wants to design nuSquats>shrugs and copy pastes the design language of his NASA themed space dwarves onto space marines, creating primaris marinesYou really couldn't get anymore sovIIess if you tried.
>>96578704I'm out of the loop, what BT retcon?
>>96579894I'm guessing anon is referring to the recent lore bit where Grimaldus dumps bunch of acid onto Chaos space marines and the loyalist humans, killing both factions. And how BT mistreat their navigators because they are mutants.
>>96551792>Why did GW drop the tacticool and less detailed Primaris marine aesthetic and go back to ornate gothic designs?Early Primaris had one job, which was to be different enough to existing Space Marines to justify people adding them to their collections rather than just proxying from existing models or quitting over their main faction being Squatted. Space Marines had close combat jump pack troops, so Primaris had to have ranged jump pack troops. Space Marines had multiple weapon types per generalist squad, so Primaris needed specialist squads. Space Marines had tracked vehicles, Primaris needed hover. Space Marines had no stealth-themed power armoured models, so Primaris went into Phobos. Space Marines were gothic and ornate, so Primaris needed to be futuristic and sleek. And so on. Once people had time to accept Primaris or leave, GW started to bring the old Space Marine aesthetic back into Primaris, hence Indomitus. With Leviathan they've gone even further, literally just giving us a truescale Space Marine unit in the form of Terminators and stepping on the toes of the Primaris Aggressors. I find myself wondering if they're going to go as far as re-release the Tactical Squad in Primaris form in a couple of years; we'll see.
>>96552818>The problem with original Primaris stuff (and even some later stuff) is their completely non-sensical designYou don't understand; nonsensical design is everywhere in this setting, and that's not even the main issue. The real problem is that these designs seem focused solely on profit, aiming to replace the marinelets in the most soulless way possible while introducing convoluted elements into the lore. To me, it feels like a significant disrespect to marine players. Because of the Primaris, i will never consider starting a chapter.
>>96581399GW is honestly caught in a trap of their own design where the only things that produce big profit in 40k are space marines, and so every other release must be space marines.
