Steamed Hams EditionPrevious Thread:>>96546955>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What day is your weekly commander night on?
What a shit TQ
https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Alegendary+t%3Aartifact+-t%3Acreature+legal%3Acommander&order=name&as=grid&unique=cards
>>96553386>NOOOO MY HECKIN POINTLESS QUESTION NO ONE ANSWERSGonna cry?
Which clay art reprint would be on your wishlist?
>>96553442Mana Echoes Just because we only had 2 printingsMight even fight the potential Dino tribe they are going for
>>96553442>a crossover>with playdoh????
>>96553536dude, it's for sick kids.
>>96553536>>96553552for soillennial manchildren+
>>96553536>WotC making a fucking Fortnite SL >but a Hasbro in-house collaboration is completely off the table, even though it happened before
>>96553630>an awesome game with tons of content, quality gameplay, amazing character designs, and replayabilityvs>chunks of wallpaper cleaner
What the fuck is this shit?We not only get the same card twice, one version is just the rough draft of the other one from the good for nothing shit artist
>>96553630Honestly I wish they'd do another Fortnite SL
>>96553636do you actually think we are going to get a Legendary Artifact from this?
is picrel worth it as a random, potentially 2 mana, one off if my commander is 5 colors?
>>96553653The One Ring reprint with a photo of a play-doh imitation. Trust me.
>>96553387Couldn't they just make him 1/1?
>>96553888it is..
>TQ Tuesdays and Saturdays but I only play Saturdays as I have a different hobby on Tuesday nights.Lately I'm playing Gonti, Night Minister, Yuriko and Cloud Ex-soldier.
>>96553442My guesses:>Craterhoof>Ghalta>Sculpting Steel (will be renamed) or Hulking/Phyrexian Metamorph>Cultivate or some other land ramp card
>>96554124they are creatively really bankrupt, the way some cards just keep getting reprinted in precons too.>3 Consecrated Sphinx printings in Secret Lair
>>96553697If you really have a free slot sure why not? Do you have enough draw and removal first though? I usually only start including pet cards like this if I've covered my bases first.
>>96553442>HopesA bunch of artifacts and oozes.>Expecting4 creatures nobody cares about and an obligatory Sol ring.
>>96553442some shapeshift/changeling/copy cards like molten duplication maybe a modal card(s)sol ring
>>96553697I'm not sure if I'd play it for free in Rakdos
A long shot here, but few threads back someone was looking to make a deck that does damage based on top decks or maybe as a part of a larger deck with pic related as a part of their post.If you are around, did you make any developments on said deck by chance?
>>96554419If it wasn't stuck in Blueshit DM Seer would be perfect for my Breena groupslug deck. As is the best new addition I've gotten is UBslop.
>>96554141I would put it in my Garth cycling deck, I see most of my deck each game. Garth has an activated ability, but I would certainly get a good attack in and still be able to tap him post combat or in response to blocking. The Hexproof is really good here
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>>96553387Why is it 001/001? Why is it card #02? Is this some convention exclusive?
>>96554502it's a 'heroes of the realm' or whatever, so there's one of him for a specific employee.
I'm editing my Melek deck and I got Harmonic prodigy in the mail today. I'm still new to the deck so I'm trying to get these combos worked out in my head before I waste everyone's time in a real game.Let me know if I have this correct:>I have all these permanents in play >lightning bolt on top of my library and castable thanks to melek>cast bolt>melek copies it (2 bolts)>veyran copies melek's copy (3 bolts)>prodigy copies meleks copy (4 bolts)>veyran get's +4/4 because her magecraft "super prowess" \gives +1/1 each time a spell is cast or copied >veyran copies her own magecraft +4/4 ability making it +8/8>prodigy copies veyran's magecraft making it +16/16>prodigy gets +2/2 because veyran copies her prowess off the single hard castfor the young pyromancer>bolt cast (1 token)>veyran copies the YP trigger (2 tokens)>prodigy copies the YP trigger (3 tokens)Veyran and prodigy DO NOT copy each other's "If" abilities, so only Melek's ability is copied by the 2 of them which yields 4 total lightning bolts. Am I understanding this correctly? For any anons who play this type of deck where things possibly get even more complex, how can I explain this easily to people in addition to keeping track on a spin-down die?
>>96554560>cast bolt>melek copies it (2 bolts)>veyran copies melek's copy (3 bolts)>prodigy copies meleks copy (4 bolts)correct>veyran get's +4/4 because her magecraft "super prowess" \gives +1/1 each time a spell is cast or copied>veyran copies her own magecraft +4/4 ability making it +8/8>prodigy copies veyran's magecraft making it +16/16incorrect>prodigy gets +2/2 because veyran copies her prowess off the single hard castcorrect>bolt cast (1 token)>veyran copies the YP trigger (2 tokens)>prodigy copies the YP trigger (3 tokens)correctyou were right every other time. spoiler in case you want to try and figure it out for yourself. you're not doubling, you're getting two extra triggers. just like melek is giving you 3 bolt copies and prodigy is giving you 3 tokens, veyran should get +3/+3 per cast or copy for a total of +12/+12. if you want to think of it the way you formulated originally, +4/+4 at for bolt and 3 copies, then veyran says another +4/+4, then prodigy says another +4/+4.remember to keep a die for magecraft count, a die for actual storm count, and however many extra dice you need for mana. also veyran makes aetherflux resevoir trigger twice but it's not a creature, so prodigy doesn't.
>>96553442These charity ones usually have at least one card worth the cost of the lair, so maybe Rhystic.
>>96554606that's usually most lairs though, maybe split up between two cardsbut they surely would never ever acknowledge the second market :√)
>>96554472Yeah not much you can do about it besides play more colors.I posted about it last time but I think it could be an interesting "top of deck matters" kind of deck where you play Marvo in order to drop some big dumb spells while playing top deck manipulation.>Bait opponents into thinking they want to put high MV stuff on top (assuming they can)>Flip the script and make them pay for those big spells>If they don't and elect to leave small stuff on top, you get to win clashes and drop big spells>Either result is good for youMaybe play an artifact subtheme to it where you play some of the bigger manarocks to ramp a bit in order to cast those big spells normally.
>>96554644It absolutely isn't like that. I buy most lairs because I like the art and usually there's only one per drop that actually has a card that pays for the whole thing. Like the Spider-Man drop, only the Venom one is a good value.
Is Glacial Chasm + Icetill Explorer fair game in Bracket 3?
>>96554502https://mtg.wiki/page/Heroes_of_the_RealmAs for the 001/001. It's a joke. The card was rewarded to the LotR team,. It's a reference to the 001/001 version of the One Ring.https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/0/the-one-ring
>>96554703Can't believe I didn't realise that that creature is clearly a nod to Glacial Chasm (enables the combo on its own, and is an explorer of icey lands - plus it will eventually mill you out quicker than your opponents if you just set there behind the chasm)
>>96553386so true>>96553376>tqWednesdays and Friday, usually I'll go Wednesdays as that's when its really just other sweaty no-lifers, Fridays there are usually too many normals.
>>96554703Yeah, it's even more fragile than most chasm loops due to the recursion being on a creature.
>>96553376>Boring TQFriday at LGS 1Wednesday at LGS 2
>TQI dont play weekly, more like monthly. Just too many other games/hobbies. Got start planning the next EDH night.
>>96553442the extra life are print to demand right?it better be every single game changer and fuck investor fags all over
>>96554893best we can do is pauper draft chaff from 5 sets ago, a 7 dollar card not yet printed in foil, a 15 dollar card
>>96554560Reading the cards explains the cards
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96555071>no reminder text on cards for keywords that came out in the same setincorrect
>>96555071>Reading the cards explains the cardsThe ring temps youTake the iniatiativePut a rad counter on playerstart your engines!!!
People give YGO shit for being confusing, but at least they don't need 2 cards to explain stuff like dungeons and ring tempts
>>96555126that's because they need whole chapters to describe their effects, at 4p font size. No keywords at all isnt a solution either
>>96555141> pendulum zone
>>96555126That's one thing I'll always appreciate about Yu-Gi-Oh. Every card tells you exactly what it does every time. No need to look up keywords from an old set. Problem solving card text also helped immensely.
>>96555126I need a magnifying glass though.
>>96555126but i need to pass the bar exam to understand timings and other bullshit interactions
>>96555126I sometimes have a friend in my DMs venting about ygo rulings, so looking back I found that Pot of Greed does in fact target you. So with some fuckery you can redirect your opponent's pot to yourself.And apparently "instead" also isn't really a keyword like in mtg. You more go by vibes. And even if they're actual replacement effects, they can shut off payments by making it impossible to pay them. As in if you need to send something to the graveyard and there's a replacement effect that sends it to exile instead, you can't make the payment anymore. So the game kinda checks the result before even doing something.Dunno, ygo rules are weird, I rather play with mtgs which don't really have weird cases like that.
>>96555126Dungeons need two cards because dungeons themselves ARE cards. A card that ventures into the dungeon brings a dungeon card into the game from your personal collection. Dungeons are not an effect baked into the rules that have reminder helpers, all the dungeon effects are on the cards themselves.
mtggoldfish com deck 3922615#paperis this deck any good?
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>>96555244DFCs have three faces: the front of the card, the must-be-indistinguishable-from-other-cards-in-your-deck back of the card, and the obverse face. they can be morphed/manifested/cloaked/etc, but not turned face down once they are on the battlefield face up via Ixidron or other effects. they can still be exiled face down from there, however.
I would like to announce I've finally managed to draw Magus of the Tabernacle in my casual stax deck and got the reaction I've hoped for. The resident token player asked to pick up the card to read it.Thank your for your attention to this matter.
>>96555310why are you responding to me with that information
>>96555373>Summon it, equip Boots on it, Edgar Markov player scoopsNo greater feeling.
>>96555141People use EMMM as this big gotcha against Yu-Gi-Oh card text but he's really just wordy because he's got the pend text box plus spell counters, the way he works is actually pretty straight forward compared even other contemporary cards >>96554893>it better be every single game changer and fuck investor fags all overThey would never do this because the "investors" are more important than the players of the health of standard
>order cards>zhang releases the spiderman cards just the very next day
>>96555406Yu-Gi-Oh itself is it's own biggest gotcha
>>96555447Without looking it up, which creature types get haste from this?
>>96555485Villains and Ninjas
>>96555447Look I'm not gonna argue ygo doesn't have card bloat but actually playing mtg exposed to me how much the "oh see keywords cut down bloat" line is pure cope
>>96555485Obviously Villains. They're the most textbook outlaw there is.
>>96555506>keywords don't cut down bloat!>posts a card where keywords have, in fact, massively reduced the amount of text necessary.
Actually got to meld my brisela last night and ran away with the game. I almost won the last game by resurrecting emerakul and stealing the green players creatures but I got my graveyard exiled
>>96555485I dunno but I really like that art.
>>96555515nah, you can be villainous and still be within the confines of the law
>>96554893>the extra life are print to demand right?it better be every single game changer and fuck investor fags all overThe amount of investors that work at Wotc are more than zero so enjoy your sol ring, lightning greeves, command tower, and random token
>>96555485PhyrexiansVillainsNinjasPraetorsHorrorsMinionsDemonsClericsDamn, that was easy.
>>96555571>>96555581Bolas did nothing wrong
>>96555506That card would have like 14 lines of text without keywording
> cant decide what subtheme i want to run> have a list in moxfield with 56 cards and 90 in considering.> still adding more to consideringHow over is it for me?
>>96555485Ummmm... Rouges... Mercenaries... Warlocks... Assassins... Jackie chan?
>>96555598He really calmed down after Ugin pumped him full of his thick white mana.
>>96555620I thought pirates was one?
>>96555640Naw ugins mana is more silvery and thin
>>96555651That's his 5c mana. Ugin was just pumping white mana into Gay Bolass because he lacked it.
>>96555539The words you read aren't the words you explain dummy
>>96555485>assassins, mercenaries, pirates, rogues, warlockseasy
>>96555608It's way more than 14. Just "Trample" and "Haste" covers all this rules text:>Trample is a static ability that modifies the rules for assigning an attacking creature’s combat damage. The ability has no effect when a creature with trample is blocking or is dealing noncombat damage.>The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any excess damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player, planeswalker, or battle the creature is attacking. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures that’s being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage that’s actually dealt. The attacking creature’s controller need not assign lethal damage to all those blocking creatures but in that case can’t assign any damage to the player or planeswalker it’s attacking.>If an attacking creature with trample or is blocked, but there are no creatures blocking it when damage is assigned, its damage is assigned to the defending player and/or planeswalker as though all blocking creatures have been assigned lethal damage.>Haste is a static ability.>If a creature has haste, it can attack even if it hasn’t been controlled by its controller continuously since their most recent turn began.>If a creature has haste, its controller can activate its activated abilities whose cost includes the tap symbol or the untap symbol even if that creature hasn’t been controlled by that player continuously since their most recent turn began.
>>96555723And, because my post was too long with it, here's what the finality counter adds:>One or more finality counters on a permanent create a single replacement effect that stops the permanent from going to the graveyard. That effect is “If this permanent would be put into a graveyard from the battlefield, exile it instead.”
>>96555609With that many cards you can't really call it a sub theme anymore. What deck?
>>96555295why did you type it like that
>>96555729>Reading the card does not explain the card is superior to the card having more text
>>96555797depending on the card, yes.you idiot.
>>96555818>Just remember it bro!
>>96555797Yes.
>>96555827depending on the card, yes.you idiot.
>>96555827Are you a goldfish? Can you not play a tabletop game without every rule book open? Does a videogame need the controls up on the screen the entire time you're playing?
>>96555827you're the most retarded shill I've ever seen. Go back to the containment general for the lesser card game, fucking mongrel
>>96555847goldfish actually have good memory
>>96555857Oh ok. So do you have Alzheimer's? I know autists don't understand figures of speech
>>96555838>>96555847Here you go champ. We can save even more space on the card.
>>96555899time to save more space>Heroic - See gatherer for heroic effect.
>>96555883anon i'm not the yugioh guy, i'm just correcting you on one incorrect part of your post
>>96555899Does your head cave in when you see a card that just says prowess?
>>96555899do you not understand what "depending on the card" meansare you a dumbdumb
>>96555955My response remains the same. nobody with a brainstem litterally believes there's animals with a memory of 10 seconds no animal could survive like that
>>96555980some animals, do, in fact, survive like that
>>96555958Were you dropped on your head when you couldn't remember what this does?
>>96555991Name 9001
>>96555995>He's resorted to just making shit up for his argumentThis is your brain on zoomer
>>96555980Fun fact: the mechanism where animals instinctually react to stimuli is called a fixed action pattern, or FAP.
>>96556020It shortens the card in an obvious way. You're fucking stupid if you can't remember what it does.
>>96556025It has to actually mean something you gay little retard what kind of sense does it make to "oh yeah? What does gobbledygook do huh? HUH?" is your brain overheating? Go back to your ticky tocks that's more your speed lil blud
>>96556045Modes 1 and 3. Figure it out dumbass.
>>96554655Always think about building this guy but I already have a UB free spells deck so hard to justify it
>>96556054NTA but just attempting it for fun.Mode 1 is the mass tapdown (1 sided), and mode 3 is draw 2 I think.Semi-related. Is there a proper name for these textless-full arts to search them on scryfall?
>>96556054woah, the collector's promo card doesn't have text!! It's litterally killing the zoomies!!! LOL what's next? Are you going to start pissing and shitting about oversized cards?
>>96556054i dont remember the exact order but itstap all creatures your opponents controlcounterspelldraw a cardbounce a permanent
okay, no, but what if>do thing>make goblin tokenhire me, wotc
>>96555773because I didn't want to get filtered for posting a link idk im new sry
>>96556114>AIEEEE I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE CARD DOES! ALMOST LIKE THE CARDS ACTUALLY NEED TO HAVE TEXT THAT EXPLAINS THEM!!!
>>96556198but I do remember what that card does
>>96556198Pay 4 your opponent isnt winning this turn what the fuck would it prove for me to name off Counter spell, bounce a permanent(bounce means return to hand, try to keep up) Tap your opponents creatures, draw a card? You'll just go ERM YOU JUST LOOKED IT UP and I'll say you have to be 18+ to post on 4chan. You don't belong here if you don't know what cryptic command does
>>96556245>He says as 2 other people got it wrong
>do thing>thing happens
>>96556264ugh fucking fire design
>>96556247And they don't belong you broccoli headed fuck.
> ask chatgpt for card suggestions> it suggest mostly cards outside of my color identityWhy is AI so overhyped
>>96556245Sorry grandpa. Cryptic Command hasn't been Modern-playable in years. Shortening card text to keywords will look like this.
lol holy fuck. 50 bucks for foil garbage. literally not even one card is good here. confirmed hasbro hates kids with cancer.
>>96556281>Look at this edit I made with random bullshit on itWhat is this supposed to prove?
>>96556277Why are you asking a bot to build your deck for you?
>airbender is next set>for the next several months basics will default to this shitfug
>>96556331>we won't print desirable cards on a product fundraising for cancer because we have an obligation to print to demandI love corporate evil so much
>>96556349CuriousityAnd frankly Im pulling info obsessively from several sources (other decklists on moxfield, my own searches on scryfall, this thread, chatgpt, etc)Turns out chatgpt is just the least useful
>want to play a lifegain deck>guy sitting in char still unbeatable
Ok clownsTell me what this does without the reminder textHeh, gottem
>>96556331I genuinely got my hopes up that these would be cool like the pokemon cardsholy fuck im dumb
>>96556360lol ya I think thats exactly the case! They didn't want to print anything that would interfere with potential future secret lair profits and decided to go with some unplayable junk.
>the demanding cards need to have all the mechanics on them in painstaking detail>AAAAIIIIIIEEEEEE MY FUCKED ZOOMER BRAIN CANT PARSE WHAT THIS SAYS ITS SO LIMINAL!!! AHHHHHHH!! THIS IS SCARIER THAN MASCOTS!!!!
>>96556360>>96556429Real talk, IS there a reason they won't print desirable stuff? Like imagine the following as a general idea.>mox set of the original power 9 mox in play doh>Deflecting Swat, Fierce Guardianship, and Teferi's Protection >the Eldrazi Titans Trio And so on.
Exquisite Blood/Bloodthirsty Conqueror + Vito should be bracket 3, it isn't that early in most cases.
>>96556436reserved list for moxenhttps://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Reserved_Listas for non-RL cards, its about keeping and maintaining demand for a market that wotc claims not to acknowledge
>>96556420I'm not gonna lie I like the design better than the shitty hand drawn kids art one. But that one you got 6 cards and 2 craterhoof - basically the most played green finisher ever.
>>96556454>keeping and maintaininggenerating and maintaining
>>96556457I really liked the idea of the kids doodles = magic cards, I think trying to make them look like fucked up pixar characters killed the idea though
>>96556454I know about the reserve list, and I'm saying fuck the reserve list. Just ignore it and print it out.
>>96556454I mean they reprinted reserve list cards that were "non legal" for 30th edition. I would easily buy that. It's not like I'm going around to fucking CEDH tournaments and I'd rather see people play with "official proxies" than home made low effort paper shit. Medium effort paper shit is fine!
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>>96556403>doesn't understand bandingHow? It's so easy
>>96556482There would (supposedly) be severe legal ramifications for that.
>>96556491I am but its information overload and in some ways Im considering making like 3 different decks.The thing is I know whats out there (mostly), I just cant make a decision without an agonizingly long process.Well get there. Pray for me>>96556496If 1 creature in a band has flying and one doesnt, can it be blocked by non flying?
>>96556502There's no legal ramifications. WOTC, let alone Hasbro, never signed a binding legal document that prevents it. The real reason they don't do it is because it would piss off """investors""" who spend a lot on buying shit. Imagine if every card plummeted to 50 cents because WOTC just kept mass printing them nonstop.
>a bunch of LGSs fail in my area>the ones that are left don't sell bulk>buying bulk online is becoming kinda expensivewhat the fuck?
>>96556496I accept your concession btw since you had to look up that rule
how many draw effects and draw engines do you guys normally put in your decks? Assuming your commander isn't one.
>>96556526I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure they don't have to sign documents to be held accountable for stuff like this. Then again. courts in the US siding against a corporation is basically blasphemy so you are probably right.
>>96556564like 8and I usually include another 7 or 8 smoothing options that aren't actually card advantage but keep cards moving through zones.
Why do vampire decks not really run this guy?>first strike>decent effect >gives you a body with edgar I feel like he's everything you'd want out of a 2drop.
>>96555723>>96555729>>96555506Both of you are retards.
>>96556591lets go down the list. 1. it's red and doesn't drain life, steal shit, or have a death trigger2. it's burn staxA vampire player is a retard, the only functional use this card has to them is 'it's a vampire, so I get a vampire when I cast him, and I can tap him to steal other creatures'
>>96556025But you did it wrong and used the wrong words its not impulse draw and im not even sure what solitude quicksilver is supposed to mean
So what format should I play next? I think I have basically exhausted the fun of edh at this point. I was thinking pre-modern. I used to like playing delver in Modern but idk if I want to jump back in post mh.
>>96556368>other decks>thread>gpt>scryfall3 out of 4 of these will result in a deck that isnt yours
How do you guys bluff/ mindgame in edh?Building this nigga in pauper edh and want to fuck with people
>>96556403Creatures attack as a group. You as the band owner decide how combat damage is dealt to your band.
>>96556714Oh so it's not intuitive because you're not familiar with how the keywords are used? Sounds like you're just retarded anon.
>>96556734Well im familiar with impulse and the mouse doesnt impulse and the other two words you just made up im afraid I dont get the point you are trying to make.
>>96556331Polyraptor is the only thing worth anything in this, isn't it? Impressively bad
>>96556719>I have basically exhausted the fun of edh at this point. I was thinking pre-modern.>Wanting to stop playing in the format with an ever growing selection of cards to choose and play with, with an ever shifting meta>To one where there will never be new cards, period, and the meta is forever set.Are you even thinking? Probably not, you're definitely a fart-sniffer.
>>96556591Because it's for zozu not vampire tribal. Unless your opponent is storming the 2 damage here and there is going to do fuck all
>>96556738Valiant (first time each turn this creature becomes the target of something you control)Impulse 5 (look at the top 5)Solitude (if it's your turn), derived from City of SolitudeQuicksilver 3 (put a creature of mana value 3 or less onto the battlefield), derived from Quicksilver Amulet
>>96556743You say ever-growing, I saw homogenizing.
>>96556436Wizard's is stupid as fuck. There really isn't any other explanation. Someone on the team must know reprints of highly desires cards would make product fly off the shelves but apparently the whole never listens to them and Wizards just continues to never reprint expensive things in any way that matters.
>>96556537>the ones that are left don't sell bulkSo it's not just me then. Seems like the only stores doing well are ones that only sell sealed product.
>>96556726Weird cope
Question.My LGS has a commander ''FNM'' every Friday, with just a couple of people being ''judges'' and the pod kind of splits up 3 packs between winners/losers.We have one kid and dad that use a ton of proxies, but have their binder on-site to show they do own the cards, they just use a wide variety of decks and don't want to buy copies for each one.Is this... legal?
>>96556790i'd allow it
>>96556790why, you a Pinkerton?
retro proxy fella here againdid Grim Monolith yesterday and think i found a cool way to make artifcats card frames look unique and still reference the old cardswhat do you guys think?
>>96556795I say this because... I don't want some out of town dickhead coming in or some rival store reporting us to WotC and them losing FNM or product.
>>96556749What is the point you are trying to make anon i didnt ask for you to explain your made up mumbo jumbo
>>96556807wotc hates lgs but I can't imagine anything like that happeningthats penis inspection day tier
>>96556826Yet when WotC does it, you say everyone else should just remember it and it's their fault for not memorizing it.
>>96556790Yes because it's not sanctioned tournament play. If WotC didn't want people using proxies they should have thought of that before tanking tournaments for "self-regulated" casual play.
>>96556780What am I coping for exactly?
>>96556874Your irrational hatred of edhrec
>>96556790>butthurt about proxiesImagine simping for a corporation.
Out of curiosity why does nobody host games here on something like TTS?
>>96556790>Literally show that they have the proper cardsyeah at that point, who gives a shit>NOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE BINDER AND SLEEVE IT
>>96556331Does it at least come with a tokens for wurmcoil?
>>96556886I have no intention of playing with people from edhg
>>96553376>TQ: What day is your weekly commander night on?I don't play commander with other people. I just build decks and occasionally test them out against eachother at my dining room table by myself.
>>96556790You remind me of an obnoxious fuck at my LGS.>friend has played mtg for a number of years>one day I show him Chinese bootlegs are a thing>for funnies, he goes and orders the most expensive versions of each card he has (e.g. the anime foil version of rhystic study)>goes to play at FNM one day>openly tells others they're not real and that he has the real ones with him to prove he owns them>tells others he's just playing with the fakes because it's funny to pretend he's rocking a $20,000 deck>one guy pipes up and says he refuses to play with friends because he's cheating >friend shows him the real cards in binder>guy still refuses>guy kicks up a storm and even demands employees disqualify friend>employee checks binder, sees that it matches >tells guy>"NUH UH IT'S NOT THE CORRECT EDITION OR CARD FINISH">goes back and forth until guy is fuming
>>96553376No set day, why would we make things that simple?
>>96556938Not the guy you replied to but:asked?/words
>>96556905>>NOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE BINDER AND SLEEVE ITCorrect.>you didn't win>it doesn't count>I will rip your proxies up and tell you to go pound sand>
>>96556886have you seen the discussions here? why would I want to play with any of that
>>96556997real nigger behavior
Every time someone plays a card I dislike, I grab it and eat it.If they ask why the fuck I just did that, I say it was a proxy.If they say it wasn't a proxy, I burp loudly and say it tasted like a proxy.
>>96556938unironically a sign of autism
>>96557031What's the difference in taste between a proxy and a real card?
Why does Anon - the largest autist - not simply eat the other LGS-goers?
>>96557045The proxy tastes better because it uses higher-quality paper and ink.
>>96556938I've encountered people like this, and some even more annoying. The worst guy was a dude who was salty because I had a foil Japanese text Fiend Artisan that I was using to tutor stax-bears and he was butthurt about it. He was making a scene saying that every card must be readable in English. I pulled up the translation on my phone in English to confirm I wasn't bullshitting about what it did, but he couldn't accept it (I've had people call me words to the effect of 'hipster' for my pimp-card elitism, which is about the worst thing you could accurately level at me for doing it). As for proxies, I don't use them myself (my old old-school mentality from a time when fakes were generally terrible quality and chaff EDH rares were not all minimum like 10 bucks) - but desu I could care less if others do so long as they're not getting chinaman GCs and using them to pubstomp normies or newbs.
>>96556331>wurmcoil 13 bucks>polyraptor 20 bucks>academy manufactorer 7 bucks>greensleeves: 23 bucksIts worth by a margin
>>96557088>so long as they're not getting chinaman GCs and using them to pubstomp normies or newbs.Oh hey that's me.
>>96556886I don't play on mtgoI don't play on arenaI don't play on cockatriceIf I'm not sitting down to a table with premium cardboard rectangles I don't play
>>96557045Pringles have a distinct, full-bodied potato taste that is balanced by a satisfying crispness and the appropriate amount of salt and seasonings, which vary by flavor
>>96556509Yes, all creatures in a band are blocked if one blocks. They're working together, and one doesn't fly, duh
>I cast clone>aight anon, what does it come in as>this big scary thing>ok I counter itthey technically didn't say it resolves but man does it feel bad to get caught like this..
>>96557196>aight anon, what does it come in asanon this implies it resolvesyou have to use much more slippery language>what are you going to clone
>>96556833Well I never said that yet but yes when you have established what things mean it is indeed fair to print them without it
>>96557196>I'm a retarded angle shooter who can't even angle shoot properlysad, and unironically, many such cases.
>>96556886I've seen the tryhard sweaty bullshit you all run and I want NOTHING to do with it
>>96557212well hindsight 20 but I think I would not have told him in a case they didn't confirm with a "yeah"
>>96556886Because I have a group I play with, I post here because leaks get here pretty quick and it's the only place to shitpost with other degenerates
>>96557025Nobody ever points out how brown it is to have so little self control you can't help but destroy other people's property rather than tackle the notion that your getting fleeced hard for spending 80 dollars on low quality cardboard
>>96557232It was very instructive the way the "what is your favourite stax piece" TQ got so much engagement
>>96556886Do you see how people talk here? The decks they build? The philosophies they hold? No games is infinitely superior to bad ones, and I'm not starving for games.
>>96557090Oh sorry yes of course. I see many of these cards frequently in my average game of commander. Oh wait no I don't. No one does. Go fuck yourself.
>>96557272There's nothing wrong with stax in a world of "i draw my entire deck" or "I just played this dinosaur and cummed 5 other fatties out"
>>96557031real American behavior
I'm surprised on how well this little interaction is working on my games. It's so simple yet so effective. Lifeline is such a based little card. My reanimator jank is thriving against all odds.
>>96557291Nta but I myself play three of those cards. You're not the objective arbiter of reality.
>>96556454>>96556436question tho. why WOULD they print cards that actually have demand when instead they can print shit cards and whales buy it anyway
>they're STILL selling everyone's invited on the secret lair storeJesus fucking Christ just flash sale it nobody wants this ugly shitpile for 200 dollars
>>96557325That's basically it.Best they'll do is shit out a Tef's Protection or Fierce Guardianship in the mythic slot of an underprinted premium set once every 2-3 years.Remember that WOTC doesn't let the secondary market influence their reprint decisions!
>>96557355I wonder if a single person actually believes that.
>>96557300*I* agree with this statement but those are all sweaty tryhard things all the same
>>96557291>TCGcuck valueslollmaouse CCK or TT you retard
>>96557318luv me jank combosluv me multiplayer effect build aroundssimple as
>To win you must do 120 damage>OR you can just draw two cardsHmm I wonder why I play combo
>>96557434Because you're weak-willed and lazy.
SECRET LAIR ALERT>SECRET LAIR ALERTSECRET LAIR ALERT>SECRET LAIR ALERTSECRET LAIR ALERT>SECRET LAIR ALERTSECRET LAIR ALERT
the 30 starting life anon was fucking right damn
What if she partnered with jon irenicus
>>96557291where the fuck you play you don't know academy manufactor or wurmcoil engine???
>>96557434>To win you must do 20 damage>OR you can just draw one cardHmm I wonder why I play combo
>>96557308Cant help but notice you spelled behavior the correct (American) way. Rent free, buck broken eurokek
OPINIONS WANTEDI'm thinking of making a 3D printable token for reef worm that contains all 3 parts but I'm not sure which direction I want to go. Some ideas I had bouncing around.>Dial styleA very simple spinner with some windows in it that change the stats and art. Think like those life trackers that have number wheels.>Shutter styleA multi level shutter box or window slide that you open or close a slide that dipicts each level.>Flip book styleIt's like a vertical book you turn the pages on. Nothing super high concept here.Open to new style suggestions or feedback on any of these.
>>96556790My store allows proxies for all FNM events because otherwise anything besides commander is even more dead.
>>96557434if winning is your only concern, then no shit you will play combo. theres a lot of fun to be had playing more casually as well.
>>96557434its fun to overcome a challenge the format would probably still be better with lower life totals though
>>96557434>his commander cant one shot lifegain niggas>laughts in crustacean
>>96557545I think three pieces that combine into the biggest token is a neat idea.
>>96557545Make me a treasure token that has a slider that causes a number to change but also more treasure to appear on the token.Also put a homosexual flying lizard ob the art
>>96557434This is 100% why my friends don't play combo. Just being like "I cast this spell okay I win" is seen as the most cringy bullshit
>>96557621>Also put a homosexual flying lizard ob the artbased
>>96557632Combo is gay. I try to avoid them.If your combo involves 3+ permanents then its kind of ok, but especially any 2 card combo is omega gay.I do think 30 life is better cause it would make cEDH less about gay combos and make aggro more viable. Then the world would heal
>>96557090yes but>WurmcoilSecond Secret Lair printing, second time they dont even bother with these fucking tokens>Polyraptoralso second Secret Lair printing, and only interesting for dino chads and self kill infinite memers>Academy Amnufactorerprobably the most broadly applicable of the bunch, but sadly also the cheapest>Greensleevespretty run of the mill and boring landslop card, that is only high in price because she was only avaiable in Set/Collector boosters in Dominaria United, and only got a List reprint maybe worth it, but playability is a bit junk, and they decided to repeat SL reprints as if they were commander precons, yet again
>>96557596Question, do you play Torpor orb in the same deck? I feel it's pretty hilarious to drop a 12/12 that can tap for UG for 4 and be able to use it immediately.
>>96557613It could work. Make like a thin (about 5mm thick) nesting doll of sorts that have magnets inside each layer to connect to each other.>>96557621How many treasures we talking here? Because something like that is possible but you only have so much space. I'd like to keep it about the same LxW of a card so you can keep it in a deckbox but thickness can vary.
I love Wurmcoil Engine. I use it in my Boros equipment aggro deck. Stand up to board wipes and still keeps on kicking. Having trample available to a well-cost colorless creature is really nice.
>>96557708>no trampleMy memory has betrayed me.
>>96557697>How many treasures we talking here?Well I run cringe cards such as Lotho, and Professional Face Breaker, and who could forget DO YOU PAY THE 2So i have up to 15 treasures sometimes.10 would be an ok max
>>96557708it's a classic, having one in play makes me feel like a bad ace
>>96557716How about like low 10s digits (max ~30)Where you have 2 independent sliders one for the 1s place and one for the 10s place.I'm imagining 2 lane slider to represent each digit but a lower 10s place for effect of a larger pile of treasure. Where the 1s are connected to a smaller pile that lays above a much larger pile that represents the 10s.Give me about 10 minutes to make a quick mockup.
necroimpotence
>>96557776That would be sick
remember to support your lgs
>>96557671Arixmethes enters with the counters already on, it's not an etb effect
>>96557798remember to proxy. even a regular printer and some paper is fine
best card and why is it picrel?
>>96557814it's good because it's fair for a tutor?
>>96557814good in K'rrik and decks that can discount down to at least 2 cmc
>>96557814because of the expression on his faceI love that card art so much
>>96557814>budget tutor>even better with budget moxes (picrel)It's good!
>>96557837how it feels to pay 1 life to draw 1 card
>>96556331All of these cards are good. You're trying too hard
>>96557596>one shot>clearly has 12 powersmdh anon
>>96557814>game of thrones secret lairdang. must have missed that one.
>>96557877keked
>>96557090You need to understand most of this thread is retarded. Value wise it is decent. And all the cards in it are good and usable. Some people just want to fit in.
>>96556790Would you rather he waste your time swapping cards? Because it would be legal for him to do that but there is no benefit and you're going to sit there waiting.
>>96557837I do like this one too of him
>>96557545combine pieces as the token progressesstart with a basic fish (worm)add fins to it to be a whaleadd tentacles to the "tail" to make a kraken
>>96557822K'rrick cEDH decks don't play it these days because there are just so many better tutors that don't require you to have him in play to be good.
I once saw someone use a proxy and it caused me to violently shit in anger
>>96557952thank you for your service
>>96556997Kek. I love selling Chinese fakes to players like you.
>>96556997It's still destruction of property and a crime to destroy something of someone elses even if it is a "fake"
>>96557868anon its your duty to be a good arquitect and fatten your crab up
>proxies are le good because I don't want to heckin gatekeep!!
>>96557979I don't believe in non-physical gatekeeping
Have you ever traded a fake, or had one traded to you without realising it?
>>96557982>non-physical gatekeeping Do you mean literally the keeping of a 'gate'/entrance by a person?
>>96557996How else do you plan to gatekeep? By being an asshole? They'll just go to another place at worst, which isn't gatekeeping because they are still playing.
>>96558005>they'll go somewhere elseGood, away from me.
>>96557988If I have, then I don't know about it yet.
>>96558010You didn;t gatekeep then
>>96557979you can run proxies and still gatekeep
post your favorite passive-agressive card
>>96557988no, I know I have lots of shocklands and fetches that I proxied back in the day and if I ever want to sell the real ones I check before selling
>>96558030tree of perdition. forever and always
>>96557988>had one traded to menot that i know of>traded onei traded in a playset of arid mesas years ago that i just plain forgot were fake along with a ton of other cards and didnt notice until like 2 weeks later and judging by the fact that i still went to the store and no one said anything im guessing no one else noticed either
>proxies are bad because it makes me feel like I spent too much monies on pieces of paper
>>96558043holy kino, didn't knew about this oneim trying to build something really obnoxious here
>>96557783Super simple mockup. So the left arrow stick is your 10s, and the right is the 1s. A number line will be next to it for the arrows to point at.Im just using some simple arcs to represent the treasure piles here but the top one is like a big U shape from the side that slots into the bottom and allows both arrows to be flush with the back where the numbers will be.As you pull up the arrow sticks it will also pull up the respective treasure piles.Is this what you'd hope for or did you have something else in mind?If so I can have a mechanical base done by Sunday, the art pass might take longer as I'm not much of an artfag.In the meantime if you could hunt down or make an SVG of your gay dragon of choice by Sun that would help.I'll anchor to the OP of the thread that day.
>>96557952Same here. Someone once proxied a Tropical Island and it made me violently poop my pants when I tried to crack my fetch.
>>96557988I had worseprimaryschool me had his Erebos, God of the Dead stolen by another kid
>>96557988I believe so. Was traded an Ensnaring Bridge and a Chalice of the Void by a friend of a friend. He had a falling out of sorts with my mate, who told me that the other guy had been trading fakes to people semi-recently. I didn't see the guy for some time until I came across him randomly at a LGS that I don't often go to. He was clearly trying to avoid me (I assume he goes between the dozen or so shops in my city to avoid situations like this), but I confronted him politely when he was by himself for a moment. Obviously, he denied it and because I couldn't prove it nothing happened. I feel bad because I traded the CotV to somebody else, so now they're probably stuck with a chinaman-issue piece of worthless cardboard.
>>96557979Proxies are the most effective form of gatekeeping because you can put lolis on them, the ultimate gatekeeping tatic
>>96558030Waaah chaaaa!
>>96558030
Gatekeeping is when I act like an unlikable cunt to everyone and no one plays with me anymore.
>>96558067saddest Gen A story
>>96558067>erebos >primary schoolWay to make me remember that I am a rapidly-balding old fatass, anon.
>>96558103Correct.
>>96558118This meme was made while that guy was in junior high
>>96558115you're welcome
>>96557964Tell it to the judge.
>>96558080
>>96558131>I can't keep myself from behaving like an animal without intervention from authoritiesBrown moment.
>>96558067I literally had a Charizard stolen from me in primary school. The saddest of millennialisms.
>>96558061used to have a deck with it and "diminish". think there are a couple other ways these days to make a small version of it without losing the ability
>>96558067I had a first edition Relinquished and Dark Magician Girl stolen from my backpack by some fat nerd in my class after I had to go home early due to being stung by a bee in the eyelid and leaving it in the classroom. The next day my brother broke the cunt's nose and threatened his dad in front of the principal when he was summoned to explain what happened and only got a slap on the wrist.
Shrine Deck?
>>96558216I like the shrine deck even though it's completely braindead deckbuildingshrines are just plain fun to play
I keep saying I want to play games with interesting board states but I just keep building decks with 30 pieces of removal
>>96558216Put in the cards that say 'shrine' the ones that say 'enchantment' then add shocks and fetches.You're welcome.
>>96558224amazing
esper shrine
>>96558231Sultai slivers featuring damia, the biggest sliver
Funniest cards to upgrade a bello deck?
comanders for this feel
>>96558236Attack them with a coveted jewel
>>96558245Anything printed before 2018
ooooooo your creatures are becoming retarded it's the retard stone ooooooooo
>>96558258cum stone hehehee
>>96553376Fridays are EDH night, but there's also cEDH and Modern nights Monday and Wednesday, respectively.It's also the only store with no entrance fee in the area (for EDH at least), so it's pretty popular.
>>96558258I play against this card one time in 10 years and I had nothing but 1/1s out. That guy's kruphix deck was full of the narrowest shit ive ever seen. It was a really cool deck until he forbid locked us out and killed the table with drake tokens
>>96558283>kruphix>forbid>drakes
>>96558283God I love hearing about older, soulful decks. Straight up classy shit
>>96554560easynext question plox
>>96557814>Fair tutor mana cost>Good art>Don't have to reveal what you tutored10/10
>>96557814Post the edit
according to the bracket system, 'fair' tutors don't exist, and everything is weighed the same as a Demonic Tutor, so even an overcosted, narrow-target sorcery-speed tutor that could have additional costs and might place your target on the top of the deck, will still be treated the same as a straight up Demonic Tutorso sayeth the wizards of the coast
>>96557988Never. I have my fakes labeled in case anyone wants to trade for them, but I play with Chinese fakes all the time at FNM and the judges at the table I've played with haven't said jack shit.No one cares.
>>96558330Except not because Demonic is specifically a GC
Judge me based on the commanders I play the most.1. Kibo2. Ojer Axonil3. Light Paws4. Muxus5. ZadaPlease do not hurt my feelings.
>>96558365Every table needs a brainless aggro monkeyYou took that literally, and for this I respect you
>>96558373
>>96558362Ah, I suppose that's true. Damn, Vampiric Tutor, and Imperial Seal are, as well.
>>96558365Mostly new dumb shitHow quaint
>>96558365https://youtu.be/3_8QaWWzL3k?si=5ecJa7MQbxK31U9G
>>96558030I never know what decks to put him in
>>96558397>NewTime for bed grandpa.
>>96558258cucumber stone rick I've turned into a rock
>>96558428he literally can work in any black deck. Its a menacing board presence no matter what.
I actually won a game with The Emperor of Palamecia because a friend of mine used pic related against me without reading what my commander does when he's flipped. pretty nice
>>96558365Based red enjoyer
First deck was Hakbal/Merfolk, explore, go wide, +1/+1 counters. I want something different for my 2nd, ideas so far are:>Nekuzar - wheels, group slug, burn>Malcolm & Kediss - Pirates, treasures, pingLeaning towards Nekuzar because it's pretty different to go wide. But I can make Malcolm/Kediss for pretty cheap
>>965584382022 was like last week, son. This game is 30 years old.
>>96558030Love seeing her in my zombies deck.Fun interactions with skull clamps I don't control too.
>mfw zoomers who use bullshit made up terms like abzan
How do I break her?
>>96558652abzan? uh, you mean NECRA?
>>96558675Based
>>96558673nexus of fate and displacer kitten
>>96558673nexus of fate and something to flicker her
The only 20 dollar card I don't regret buying
>>96558673this would be more fun if it said ETB exile three cards and then that was it, just a card that removes cards
>>96558673She's significantly more fun if you aren't focused on breaking her
>>96558365You seem like a fun guy to play with.
>>96558748what do you usually do with it?
>>96558258I wish there were more cards like this, and reasonably costed. Shit like Propaganda or other hard lock/tax effects are so fucking boring.
>>96558797>look at commanders>figure out what combo pieces they are likely playing>put it down for that amountI do also have it in a deck that plays no 3 drops and can generate 6 pretty easy
>>96558797Win the roll to go first by rigging the roll, then stack the deck to draw chalice and sol ring, play t1 sol ring into chalice
>>96556905>"i dont want to waste time swapping my one rhystic/smothering/fierce into every deck" stop running those cards in every deck with the colors for them, learn how to play the game without a handicap
>>96558864>stop running rhystic study in every deckno
>>96558864>stop using good cards it makes me MAD
>96558885>96558881Wants to play the best cards but doesn't want to face the best decks. It's a handicap.
>>96558903dis conversation is about proxies and sleeving cards thobeit
>>96558885>nooo i need itttttWhy not try something different? The format is so open.
>>96558903I have no problem facing good decksI like MLD but think combo is gay so I'm pidgeonholed in bracket 4 anyway
If money wasn't an option is the "best" mana base just dumping in all the fetch, shock, crowd and dual lands as possible?
This effect does mean that if you have just one shapeshifter in play then this only costs WW to cast right? Just want to make sure there isnt some gay implication that each of your creatures only counts once.
>>96558941Thats me too but I also make sure none of my decks dont repeat cardsIve been working on a xenagod wildfire deck
>>96558970yesplus 1 of basicsdon't want to be caught out by a field of ruin or path to exile
>>96558970Some decks want more basics than others
>>96558981>Ive been working on a xenagod wildfire deck
>>96558365Quite LITERALLY a based retard.
I like to sort my moxfield decks by CMC but when you click on a specific card and try to advance back/forth it is always still sorted alphabetically
>that guy who feels the need to criticise other players for simply daring to play GreenWhy does green cause so much asshurt these days? It is the new Blue.
>>96559208blue is still the new blue, he probably has only played against green timmies without enough removal in his deck
>>96559208because destroying lands makes people cry so nobody runs land destruction so green decks get to ramp freely but people don't focus quietly ramping green players because they're stupid so green players win games they really shouldn't which makes people butthurt
>>96559208My friends do this but with red
>>96559235>Land destruction against the best color at recurring lands from the GYWhy is this such a commonly parroted thing on here? LD fucks over every other color more than green. You want to beat green lands decks run more graveyard hate. You'd be surprised how effective it is vs obnoxious land shenanigans.
>>96559312Unironically considering running maybe Tormod's Crypt and Scav Lands in my Golbez deck just for dealing with stuff like Teval and other grave combo decks at my store.
>>96555373*adds to wishlist*Thats a nice addition for my Death and Taxes commander.
>>96559035Frankly I'm shocked I'm the only one
Bros. I squeaked out a turn 16 win at my pod with my mono white deck thanks to this guy.>playing Darien, low bracket 3 at most, only game changer is Humility which didn't show up this game>up against bracket 4 Gisela, Teneb and Azusa decks>Azusua starts to pop off>Teneb is able to blow up the board, and come in with Teneb thanks to Gisela being up and take out Azusa, even though he has 40+ lands out (no flying blockers) turn 13>I take the Teneb player out turn 15 thanks to pic related and a bunch of tokens thanks to Darien and other creatures>Gisela player draws a blank and I'm able to swing for lethal for 21+ damage thanks to pic relatedGuy is super underrated in token decks. Indestructible, flying, or whatever, he helps get around it. I was almost thinking about cutting him.
Actually I think Im going to build pure cancer. I will force you to sac creatures. I will force you to discard and exile your hand. I will send all of your cards to exile. You will not do the thing./ I have decided that *I* am the villain that EDH night deserves. You are running your unicorn tribal deck? Discard it into exile. You are running c(ancer)EDH tutors and infinite combos? Discard your hand into exile. You're playing Spongebob Squarepants? Yes...YES HAHAHAHA DISCARD IT INTO EXILE
>>96559630Yeah yeah get in line, here's your Waste Not.
>>96559630>Everybody sit around with empty hands. I'm going to bore you to death!What kind of shitty villain are you?
>>96559532Why? It seems incredibly useless in xenagos
>>96559660Damn white looking good white got some VALUE cards wtf Im a white mage now. Wheres that tomboy/femboy Delney to round out my posse
>>96558397>use old shitty cards because....JUST DO IT OK?!?!?
>>96558940>UHHH YOU DON'T NEED RAMP IN WHITEPlease tell me what spell I can put in white to gain mana quickly. Bonus points if I don't need to use 4 different cards to equal the ramp potential of one.
https://moxfield.com/decks/agO2Q0AdjEy9q9PK-S5qTwGuys I think I’m running too many cantrips and low mana spells. I’m considering putting some big spells in but most of them are kind of bad, awkward or unfun. I took out a couple cost reducers because my noncreature spells are already cheap and require colored mana anyway. My dream is to find a way to turn Melek into a beat stick using copied pump spells and giving him evasion with aqueous form, rogues passage, or teleportal. Are there any X spells that I can dump excess mana into for late game value?Also I saw this Gandalf cars and got it cause it seems really interesting and costs less than a dollar. In order to make running him worth it, I’m assuming you’d need to build around him or have a flicker shell already ready to support him right?
>>96559235Except the green player is the only one with access to mass land recursion
i know it's kind of blase to make fun of redditors but jesus christ dude
>>96559744
>>96559744they are all raped eunuchs man its alright
>>96559749this post is a great representation of the magic of being called mijo by loved ones
>>96559735Drop the Hypersonic Dragon, with relatively few sorceries you are just memeing yourself. What are you gonna run it so you can Mizzium Mortars at flash speed? My brother in christ get that shit out of your deck and run Rolling Earthquake or whatever that red card is that hits everything without flanking (kekw)
>>96559744It's as valid as your chair tribal bracket 1 deck desu. All bracket 1 decks are cringe and gay.
>>96559744this is WOTC's ideal consumer. this is who they make magic for now.
>>96559630>Baby discovers discard is a design mistake for the first time
Is there a commander that has this kind of effect? I've never built a discard deck, but I don't want it to be "discard for the sake of discard". I have a 60 card 8Rack deck and quite enjoy it
>Friend keeps bitching about my decks being unfun>Repeatedly scale down the powerlevel of them>He quits anyway>Now all my decks are shitpiles
>>96559784It's probably fine in normal magic, where it's just 1vs1. But the average EDH-player is somewhere on the spectrum and has a very hard time grasping that he has to moderate himself to make the game fun for everyone.
>>96559797Yup, that’s communism alright. Instead of allowing him to drag you down, you should have elevated him instead. He didn’t want parity, he wanted to stop feeling bad about himself and thought knee-capping you would help
>>96559797>didn't record his good lists>doesn't enjoy shitpile kino
>>96559744I’ll let you in on a little secret, Redditors can be paid to make posts. Without buying an entire account or anything, there are services where marketers literally just pay people to post with an account that has good standing.And when enough retards post like that, others start doing it for free
If an oldfag who doesn't play anymore asked you to describe each colour in its modern form in just a few words, what would they be?
>>96558648I remember this one time I was building a list and realised I probably wanted that card. The same day, someone pulled it in a promo pack. I said I’d been looking for it and offered to buy. They said they were going to put it in their fucking Sephiroth deck. Painful.
>>96559835>blue>do thing draw card>black >do thing draw card>red>do thing impulse draw card>green>do thing draw card>white>do thing draw card once per turn
>>96559835White - angels, vigilance/lifelink, the "good guys"Blue - counterspells, stax/control, do thing draw card (on its own but also mainly when paired with green)Black - pay life for more powerRed - burn, haste/trample, fast damageGreen - big dudes, do thing draw card (mainly when paired with blue)
>>96559804It kinda isn't. Every time it gets attempted in a different card game it gets instantly banned or errata'd into oblivion. Some examples:>YuGiOh: Basically every card that lets you do it at all is now banned in some way, including cards like Appointer of the Red Lotus which are comparatively extremely limited.>Pokemon TCG: Half the Extended banlist is dedicated to hand control (which is honestly astounding given that Pokemon fucking refuses to ban shit ever). Probably the biggest standout is Chip-Chip Ice Axe being banned because it ended up being a centerpiece of discard strategies by allowing you to fuck their topdeck as icing on the cake.>Lorcana: Bucky was errata'd into being a completely different card>Hearthstone: Theotar, Mad Duke had his manacost increased multiple times to the point he now costs 6 mana for the effect of replacing 1/3 random cards in your opponent's hand. Mindrender Illucia had her entire effect removed.Even in Magic they get banned regularly because the play pattern is so uninteractive and unfun (Grief, Hymn, Hopeless Nightmare, Hymn). It's just that there's some weird cope around exactly Duress, then later Thoughtseize.
>>96559854>Listed Hymn twiceMeant to put Mind Twist on the list, which was rather infamously on the very first banlist the game ever had.
>>96559814I did. I've:>Offered him entire decks he never tried>Fine-tuned his decklists with updates he never used>Offered abstract advice on deck alterations he didn't follow>Offered to sit down with him and walk through his decks, which he didn't accept
>>96559767>drop the hypersonic dragon with relatively few sorceries You’re right. I dropped him for Niv Mizzet Parun. I also dropped my Third path iconoclast for a thran dynamo. Should I get some more cheap UR non basics or will mostly islands and mountains suffice?
What are some good commanders that this general shits on despite being good? Not specifically for being good but because the general cannot evaluate power?
>>96559854>banned regularlyReally weird thing to lie about.
>>96559854Hand discard bothers people less than mill
>>96559894It shouldn't. Someone milling you shouldn't really bother you until they win out of nowhere. Someone making you discard gives you less things to do and makes the game less interactive.
>>96559894Absolutely motherfucking not. Discard is, byyyyyy far, the most hated deck type I've ever seen. *Everyone* at my LGS groans whenever they have to go against it. Imagine, at all times, having 0 or 1 card in hand. Never being able to get the game going, never being able to do anything. It's fucking cancer
>MBT gets the Magic bug back>Plays ONE game on Shuffle Up and Play>Realizes Urza's Saga is a real card and goes back to YuGiOh
>>96559909I still remember a game from years ago with a Kroxa player. Every turn he played his commander or some discard spell, passed and then went back to durdle with his phone. I want the time back I spent sitting at that table.
>>96559854Thoughtseize is balanced because you lose life though?
>>96559890As far as Magic banlists go, yes discard is a strategy that regularly gets targeted whenever a discard effect not named "Thoughtseize" starts appearing in top 3 lists because its play pattern is atrocious. Literally the last Standard banlist hit Hopeless Nightmare, and the last Legacy list hit Grief (which was already banned in Modern months prior).
>>96559923And that's specifically the kind of bullshit that I'm talking about. Discard just for the sake of discard is the worst. Up there with winconless hard control/stax as some of the most awful decks that can be built
>>96559902You get to choose the card you discard. Mill gives no choice.>>96559909No one cares about discard here. Mill is virtually banned
Don't whine at me because you care more about that card over your life total.
I’m not new to mtg, I’m a returning player player and I’m not used to the current power level and popularity of EDH but I did enjoy the mode back in the 2010’s. Pic rel is really cheap to buy and I think a mono red deck would be fun albeit narrow. It seems like a cheap all gas interaction/burn deck.I know she probably can’t win any games but I want to affect the board. Kind of just throw my spells at things and see what happens, and put pressure on players at the same time. Is this card bad or unfun (for the pilot) or can you have some interesting games? Also considering Krenko mob boss for a different deck cause I think goblins are cute
>>96559888Greensleeves
>>96559993This card is a very strong commander.And Krenko is the 4th most popular commander in the entire game.
>>96560012Yeah I know krenko has always been popular but I don’t want to start on building him cause I’m afraid the synergistic goblins have all shot up price. Even stuff that’s been reprinted 8 times is Out of stock at my lgs’s. Does immodane’s effect count as commander damage for the 21 damage kill or is that just her combat damage? And if she is so strong then why is she so cheap to buy? Am I missing something? Does strength not always equate to secondary market value?
>>96559993>It seems like a cheap all gas interaction/burn deck.I built her, you're absolutely right. Which is kinda hard to balance if you don't like impulse draw cuz there's not a lot of good regular draw in red. It's pretty funny having a damage doubler out and targeting a creature for 5 damage though, since it'll get doubled twice and hit the table for 20. >can you have some interesting games? It all depends on which cards I draw. Having pic rel out with a damage doubler ended the game, as I got 72 mana to dump into an {X} spell like Banefire/Blaze, which of course was doubled twice before hitting my opponents
>>96560024>Does immodane’s effect count as commander damage for the 21 damage kill or is that just her combat damage?Only combat damage is commander damage. You can give her Grafted Exoskeleton though and her burn damage will have Infect>And if she is so strong then why is she so cheap to buy?Strength is only kinda/sometimes correlated with price. There's a ton of strong cards out there that are <$1
>>96560024>Does strength not always equate to secondary market value?Strength generally equates to secondary market value when the card is:A) best in classB) very close to best in class of a desirable class for that colourC) they just didn't print enough of themThere are a number of perfectly good cards, like Imodane, which are none of those things.
So, these and the other welcome deck exclusives are going to stay 40-80 each?
>>96559902But milling gives you less things to do to
>>96560052We have no idea. It's still in pre-sale so you should completely ignore all prices you see until ~2 weeks after release. ALL cards go through presale hype, and 99+% of them will see their price crash like pic rel
>>96560063No more so than literally any other win conand if they don't kill you with it the amount of stuff you got to do stayed the sameit might even be larger depending on your deck
>>96560066Supply is the issue here. There will be 50 times as many Peter Parker/Amazing Spider-Man's as there are "Ghost Spider, Gwen Stacy" because the latter is only available in a welcome deck.
>moonlit meditation not working in forgeshid>enchant Simulacrum Synthesizer w/ MM>game prompts if I want to replace tokens w/ MM>hit yes, i would very much like to do that>just makes a regular tokenaugghhh
>>96560081Regardless. Ignore all prices until 2 weeks after release.
>guy plays a deck really similar to one I want to build>has a lot of cards I hadn't thought of>can't remember what he played now>didn't get the list from him
>>96560066>>96560081>>96560084buy a chinese proxy for 3 cents
>>96560091Time to scour the edhrec page and pray
>>96560093(plus shipping times 1.5 tariffs)
Ignoring the Duskmourn reprint, why is he a $4 card? Purely for the Partner capabilities, and not because of his ability?
>>96560117Isn't/wasn't this fuck a big thing in cEDH?
>>96560132I have no idea, I'm just trying (unsuccessfully) in creating a 4c deck for the 32 deck challenge, and need red/black, and he's literally the only option. Which is why I'm wondering if that's the reason he's so expensive for a very lackluster ability
>>96560132malcolm/vial smasher is still a viable deck
>>96560117A partner that adds rakdos is busted and that's pretty much it, like anon said vial smasher is/was fairly common in cEDH
>>96559928Nightmare was hit because of its burn effect and Grief was hit because it's effectively a one mana discard two with an above rate body. Discard on its own is a bad strategy because it can't stop topdecked threats.
>>96560206No it's bad because the game has accelerated drastically and the cards were kept below rate for viability until recently.
>>96558451How's your list looking like? Always liked The Emperor and his card seemed like it would be cool to build a deck around.
>>96559580I do love the two white Odrics. This guy is a great for how he controls combat. Deciding everything about combat on your turn the way he does is effective as hell. Just straight getting in or forcing your opponents lose their important piece blocking with it.
>>96559919>Realizes Urza's Saga is a real card and goes back to YuGiOhWas it really that bad? I always figured Wizard's absolute retardation that makes them incapable of making a working simulator for their biggest format was one of the big reasons he never came back to magic but seeing cards that came after he stopped also shocking him back to Yu-Gi-Oh is kind of funny.
>>96559919>MBTWhy am I meant to know what this is?
