Obesity is very bad for a dragon's health Edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>96546045 >Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolswarhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/>Booru:https://ageofsigmart.booru.org/index.php>Thread question:What AoS novel would you willingly read if they made it?
>>96554205all the shit in here is either wrong (barak-thryng, ko getting a 'handfull' of new unit kits), plain obvious (terrain + hero), or already known (dispossessed going to tow)better luck next time
>>96553872Scinari Cathallars are very erotic on their own, just draw her robe to be extra see-through
oh by the way, if anyone is interested in what the ogre leaker had to say about gargants, somebody copy pasted it before he deleted things again :Have you ever heard of gargants? Those towering, powerful giants who live in tribes Maybe you have witnessed their giant footprints, or even seen their appearance with your own eyes, but have you ever wondered where the female gargants are? If you've read Battletome released in 2020, and Battletome released in 2022, you might have some ideas After all, the tribes formed by these gargants are led by older and more powerful female gargants The Gargant Matriarch You might ask, why am I raising this question about these female gargants? Well,well,well…Do you still remember this name? RENEGADE as always, take it with a grain of salt. only his ogre/nurgle stuff got backed up by whitefang
>>96554292This was a thing already, actually. But it was in a white dwarf thingamajig so its legends and no one will ever recognize it outside of the oddball.
>>96554468>Do you still remember this name?>RENEGADEI don't get it
>>96554418>TQEllania and Ellathor adventures novel.
>>96554418>TQPOV story of one of the gods being vored by Nagash and experience what its like being in the death gods stomach
>>96554468Well yeh, male ones run around doing odd jobs as mercs and female ones stay at home and take care of where they actually live instead of getting drunk. We knew this already.
>TQStoner comedy about three Swifthawk Agents trying to deliver a package across numerous warzones
>>96553872Lauka vai in a cute skimpy top, still with the torso.
>>96554525The idea is that they're actually getting models soon anon. Well, an upgrade sprue probably, but still.
I went 0-4 in the learning league for Sigmar at my flgs. We're having a capstone tourney in a couple of weeks. Wondering if I should play
>>96554418>TQgang of chaos worshippers bound together by a dark pact must cooperate long enough to kill a great priest of sigmar and destabilize the area. Unfortunately, the most reasonable one in the group is the skaven. Comedy horror that looks at how cultists of the five chaos gods intermingle when not killing each other while also showing that chaos worship comes with more downsides than benefits
yooooooooooooooo new teaser for maggotkin!!https://youtu.be/8Pkbh6pUGac?si=mzJiuiY-miVQGYa4
>>96554693
I dread a Fyreslayer update/change. I do not want the core design of my army changed. I do not want strong or otherwise women in my patriarchal army. I do not want lore to be butchered, or units removed or replaced by shitty, cluttered new units or visual updates. I want to play my family focused, Gachimuchi Dwarves who are led by noble heroes and their sons.
Don’t you dare take the bait, anon.
>>96554693Realy good trailer. Idk what retard unlisted it
The bad thing about Khorne is that he makes you bald
>>96554745There are a good handful of Aos trailers that would be good for selling factions still but they’re all unlisted for no reason.
>>96554747Lie
>>96554793Gone
>>96554418I've been saying it thread after thread, more villain or alternate perspective books. Morally dubious or weirdo protagonists:Ghoul don quixote and his human "squire", OBR office level drama while they siege a city, Gitz books where they get high on shrooms on go on a vision quest across the realms, weird neutral merc group with kruleboy, fyreslayer, and nighthaunt some crazy mixes of shit.The mortal realms are massive, infinite options for mix ups or weird shit I want something different from the standard good guys perspective books or big named faction leaders stuff. Give me some random freaks in the ass end of a realm getting up to shenanigans.
>>96554747it wasn't khorne, it was the sculptor
>>96554972
>>96554972did you fuckin photoshop this image anon. Also I don't know if the model came first or the bald came first but in this image she's deffo bald.
>>96554645What do you play anon?
>>96554672Sounds like the Soulbound campaign im waiting to play. If only they’ve release the damn book already
>>96554979>Helsmiths are too WoW for Warhammer
Is the Darkoath Spearhead any fun?
>>96555138I dont understand that argument, Warhammer and WoW have been cross polinating forever.
>>96555138>pauldrons of reasonable sizeyeah no chief
>>96555163It means he wants a playground scream-off about it.
>>96555138Just out of curiosity, how much of this outrage after HoH reveal was genuine and how much was just trolling and fakegrog seething because they're not exactly the same as old chorfs?
>>96555163>cross polinatingWarcraft is a literal Warhammer rip off.They werent ready to pay up for the license.Producer level interview, the only uncertainty is some sugarcoating.
>>96554418I’d love if they used a Gotrek novel to introduce Helsmiths into the narrative. Duardinslayer, or something like that, where Gotrek has got to kill dwarves and how he’s got to handle killing his own “sorta kind”.
>>96555156>Pop small oathboys to do some damage, bring 'em back with reinforcements, pop em again>Meanwhile horses slam into ranged units to deal mungo damageyeah it seems solid for spearhead
>>96555216the latter
>>96555216Why would there be outrage?Almost all the grog models still work with the archetypes.Its a bunch of flats, even the biggest hobbylet can glue some spikes on that, like I did with tyranid claws from Battle for Macragge when I was a lilttle shit to make the smurfs cool.
>>96555218>Blizzard rips off Warhammer and 40K>Turns both of into best-selling games of their genreIt was a different time, I still recall when GW replaced their Tyranids with not-a-Zerg
>>96555023your image is the photoshopped version of >>96554972the black and white one was from the 7th ed armybook, before valkia had a model, just art, fluff and profile, while the colored version is the altered one made for 8th ed when she got the modelfestus and vilitch also underwent changes, more drastic ones too
Is Legion of the First Prince a good way to proxy BoC?>Gors/Bestigors as Legionnaires >Bray Shaman as Sorcerer Lord >Marshal, Furies, Daemons fit
>>96555216A lot of people, not just grogs or fake grogs, were upset that chorfs looked different from the old ones. Warhammer has this weird phenomenon were once something gets squatted it suddenly gains a ton of 'fans'. Hell I myself would've liked them to be more like 4th edition chorfs, though I've warmed up to nuchorfs since then (except their blunderbusses though fuck em they look like shit).>>96555418damn new "festus" is a big fucking downgrade, even if they didn't change too much. Old and 'new' vilitch look so different they're basically separate characters, and I like both. Be cool if we got a new tzeentch model down the line that references the old one, kinda how the new harbringer of nurgle is based on the older model.
>>96555218It's pretty wild how much better they handled their ip as well.Hell I wonder how many people would have never been exposed to Warhammer without warcraft.
>>96554645Tbh this could be a result of list building or making bad ingame plays.If your list is a good chunk of infantry, supported by archers, cav and a small selection of special units and heroes, then you've already built your army insanely wrong.
>>96555453>Warhammer has this weird phenomenon were once something gets squatted it suddenly gains a ton of 'fans'.tbf i dont think i had ever thought about the existence of beasts of chaos until they got squatted from AoS and now i think they had some squandered potential
>>96555492what army does the classic "actually looks like an army" list composition the best? loomies?
>>96555453I for one am just happy they didnt ruin them by heavily leaning into something wacky.KO and Fireslayers being a prime example.
>>96555553Vanari loomies for sure.
>>96555553>looks like an armyYour question is wrong and heavily depends on what doctrine fits your definition of an army.Pike and Shot? Mounted Archers? Byzantine Shock Cavalry? Combined Arms?
>>96555553Fyreslayers do great impression of IRA
Should I go with a rattier more busted dock for my nurgle dudes or keep it more clean?
>>96554418>TQSomething simple based on a faction that isn't touched. Nothing too deep, like has Ogors gotten one?
>>96555453I really like Festus having a little tendril to hold his staff and his little nurgling buddy.>>96555461Let's not go too fuckin' crazy anon, they've done well but also made some of the most retarded decisions I've seen EVER. Shadowlands being a pseudo AoS styled knockoff mixed with galactic marvel crap was by far one of the biggest fumbles I've seen.
>>96555766Is this real a question for Nurgle?
>>96555553Right now cities, even though free guild command Corp is somehow better than steelhelms at being both a tarpit and damage dealer. You could swap them for hammers which are also tankier than iron breakers for some reason.Outside that I'm really struggling, maybe lrl but it's still kind of meh compared to their other options.
>>96555837command corps are too cheapway too cheaplike 40p too cheap
>>96555806>I really like Festus having a little tendril to hold his staffhe doesn't he's not called leechlord for nothing
Bring back beastmen as a Destruction faction with kragnos type centauroids but with paws instead of hooves please and thanky ou
>>96554733I hate you for making me look up that term, and therefore I wish all of your collection is invalidated (except for Magmadroths which are awesome)
>>96554869Bonereaper short story is what you describe and is actually good Best description of OBR and Swift hawks ever written. It's fyreslayers are pretty good too
>>96554733lmfao this nigga wants naked men touching balls
>>96554733A Runequeen is the only named character beyond Bael Grimnir
>>96554693This game used to have a soul
>>96554869This would require GW to care about AoS literature more than 40k and I just have to say lolLmao even
>>96556217no
>>96556217Yes
>>96556217Fuck no why can’t you retards wrap your head around the idea of chaos not having a monopoly on centaurs or beastial humanoids
>>96556262>>96556282>>96556301Fyreslayers being manly men doing manly things is the very identity of the faction. Gachimuchi is an art form. Neither needed women to be good.
>>96556397> Every major religion condemned homosexuality Hmmmmmm
>>96556217That's never going to happen, my friend. Kragnos and the beastmen are not coming back to AoS.
Does anyone know when the Soulbound of the Chaos Champions is coming out?
>>96556525Preorders soon!™
>>96554468The only bell that "RENEGADE" rings is an old 40k box that had two Knights in it.
>>96556525Didn't they give out review copies? So it's done and printed
>>96555216Can't the latter be genuine?
>>96556489Who said anything about homosexuality? Are you unable to appreciate muscular dudes wrestling, fighting and going to war as brothers in arms?
>>96556489Such as? I can't think of one that doesn't say homosexuality is okay provided you're not the bottom and/or it's a child
>>96554468Oh boy the face of the typical br*Tish woman with floppy saggy tits.I definitely CAN wait because the model will be hideous
>>96556525next Wednesday
>>96554468how many female special characters are we getting again?
>>96556489>Buddhism does not forbid homosexualityNamu-myoho-renge-homo
>>96556713>>Buddhism does not forbid homosexualityyes, it does, "ego death" is just a mistranslation of "homo death"
>>96556489Pretty sure that's just Abrahamics, and even then Talmudic jews are literally the gayest religion on Earth
>>96556665very few, almost nothing I would say
>>96556665Daughter of some guy for ogors and from the sound of it that's it. I doubt SoB will get a 2nd named character (not counting the named Mercs without unique models)
>>96556767The leaker gave three named characters>Daughter of Glob Glittermaw>Named Maneater (female)>Named Butcher (warmachine, male)
>>96555864Son of a bitch!
>>96555825I realize! But the idea is they get onto the docks under the premise of being generic dockworkers, but I spose I could do a mix of both... I just like the idea of them shitting up the docks over time so having more cleaned up docks that look nice with some gloop and rope etc
>>96556540There is a local tournament in my area called Renegade https://www.renegadewargaming.com/Wonder if he just means that as a date?
>Butcher>War MachineIf this is not a mobile cooking pot im gonna riot
>>96554418Soon
>>96555622>Your question is wrong and heavily depends on what doctrine fits your definition of an army.Can't tell if peak autism or peak reddit, either way you're a faggot
AoS Flayerkin when?! Current Skaven lore is full of them mutating people, capturing humans and releasing all manner of abominable monsters upon their foes so this is a perfect time to release the Flayerkin as a Moulder unit.
>>96556923That one kid book alreayd had it
>>96556926Obviously as models, fucking inbred retard.
>>96556575I mean if there's ever been a faction where gw is justified in sculpting the ugliest female faces you've ever seen it's SoB (and ogres(and nurgle))
>>96557012I mean, I wouldn't mind if the ogre ladies are hot but this ain't blizzard we're talking about so probably not. I'm fine with monstrous things being monstrous too I GUESS.
>>96557081We did have pic related at one point of course. Not strictly speaking AoS but still, female ogres.I think I have seen them at some of the local pubs in my time. Honestly I've probably tried to pull one or two on occasion.
>>96557143If they have big knockers that's fine enough for me and most people.
>>96557152>Not gooning to flatty musclegut ogor mommiesYou bring dishonor to your ancestors
>>96557143Eh, Bloodbowl isn't always a good indicator of what's to come
>>96556840>it's not a cooking pot>it's a barbeque grill
>>96557206>It's a hibachi grill and they do sick spatula tricks with your corpse bits
>>96557203I still prefer the left one to the right.
>>96557199Listen, if they're gonna be ogor's I expect a gut god damnit. Unless she's from the cities, if not then GUT ME UP.
>>96557229That's the point here. Right was mocked for how awful it is and then the real releas was much better than BB
>>96557237I though you meant you preferred the right... I am... very tired.
>>96557203Very true, of course. But they were there and my inner pedant demanded satisfaction. I'll grant you they're more cartoony and "chav at the supermarket in her pyjamas" than a fighting ogress is likely to be (that's the nature of BB of course), but I wouldn't raise an eyebrow too much if they were within spitting distance.
Why sylvaneth have so small roster?
>>96557644Because it's so good it doesn't need much more
>>96557644Seems decent to me? Though I guess a good chunk of it is actually just kits with multiple build options
>>96557662>>96557677microfaction keks dont deserve shit
>>96557690bro forgot he's not in /40kg/
>>96555537Ngl I like the shamanist masks. Also, why they were squatted again? Because they were not popular enough to make money or something?
>>96557719GW decided they would be better off in TOW
>>96557690How the fuck would sylvaneth be considered a microfaction
Just 2 and 1/2 weeks more and we will see new things is Warhammer Day. I hope GW show us something very nice and not just a roadmap
>>96557644basically every faction has a small roster
>>96557811no subfactions
>>96557826Revenants vs full trees [spoilers] vs kurnothi elves soon [/spoiler]
>>96557892yes the last bit would make them an army.
>>96557892>fucked up the spoilerGod fucking damnit I shouldn't he posting this late
>>96557892>Guys who live in forests and the forest guys who live in forests>Anything as subfactiony as big buff orks vs lanky gross swamp orks>Or vampires of various eastern europeanness vs skeletons
>>96557969Any day the vengorians will get a expansion...any day now...
>>96557987they'll probably get a redesigned vargheists kitI don't have good expectations in any case, that range of models has no direction
>>96557969How subfactiony does a subfaction have to be to be a subfaction?Are the different lumineth temples considered subfactions? Is any non-shitmob gitz specialisation? Are skinks?
>>96558066It's more about fluff than any characteristic of the subsect of models.vengorians are a distinctly separate ethnic/cultural group, cooperation with other vampires is the exception, not the norm, meanwhile the lumineth temples or skinks are fully integrated into the wider forces and cultures fluffwise, with extremes focusing on them exclusively being the exception rather than the norm
>>96558102Sure but I'm talking to the guy (you?) about how subfactions are apparently a defining trait of non-microfactions. I don't think seraphon, gitz, or even loomies can be considered microfactions regardless of how much their fluff has them interacting.
Hope y'all don't mind, I'm new, trying to build out a list, could use some guidance.2000 Points Slaves to DarknessGodswrath Warband Regiment 1General - Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount - Deathmonger, Conqueror's CrownChosen x10Chaos Knights x10Exalted Hero of ChaosRegiment 2Chaos Sorcerer Lord Chaos Warriors x10Chaos Warriors x10Chaos Warriors x10Not trying to be uber competitive but I'd at least like to have a decent shot at winning. Also, is Archaon good at 2000 points? He alone is great but 840 points is crazy. At 3000 he'd be auto include but no one plays 3k.
>>96557784Are they gaining popularity there or are they STILL the red-headed stepchildren of chaos?
>>96558066Depends really. I believe Color and Focus is one. Main realm too but that's just me.For example, In BoK, we had three: Goretide, Skullfiend, and Flayed.Goretide was Red and was hardcore on cannibalism. Aqshy ovbiouslySkullfiend was mainly Black and they were full on headhunting to the extreme that back in e3, they made Skullreapers Battleline. They got GhurFlayed was bonewhite(because they used bones as armor) and they hunted other factions of from Chaos mainly, letting blood active their runes. They were in the Eightpoints.
>>96558654no idea, i don't play TOW or know anyone who does. but if i did, i think i would probably collect them
>smiths box is being sold for $290 on eBay Well fuck me
>>96558654Aside from Cathay, is anything really "gaining" popularity in the old world? I'm still confused what was the point of bringing it back if they weren't going to do a range refresh for every faction. People are whining about AoS having some ugly sculpts from 5 years ago, who the fuck is going to pull out a couple thousand for some 20-30 year old sculpts? The old world bone grinder giant model is hideous and somehow 30 dollars more than the much nicer mega gargant models. >>96558816wait two weeks and they'll have more. Or remember to order through your LGS next time
>>96558848>I'm still confused what was the point of bringing it backBecause Total War got a lot of people invested in old Warhammer Fantasy and GW finally decided to make a smart choice and cash in. (Not super smart, since it's not set during actual fantasy so no popular characters or stuff refreshes from that time period but regardless.)
https://youtu.be/rF5CzVul7J8?si=KdozB9GUTCb5qGHThttps://youtu.be/F5l1mnXtQGM?si=rJWRxNO-InnKHOdChttps://youtu.be/LBAgUSMHPUw?si=bdTyqhZ7aLJbWhde
>>96559253Ya know I would love to do some fucking voice work for shit like this, would be fun as hell.
>>96555037Cities of Sigmar>>96555492Yeah, my list is a corp of footmen, backed by veterans, artillery and riflemen, with cav to the side and some war engines to support. I shoot one thing off the table if I'm lucky and then get trapped in my deployment zone.
>>96558848>wait two weeks and they'll have more. Or remember to order through your LGS next timei tried but none of the LGS within 3 hours of driving have their shit together
>>96558299I mean, seems fine. I have dickall idea of what chaos does other than slowly walk up and murder you so that seems like a good list for it.And 3k I feel like having your big god centerpiece model feels a bit more of a freebie comparatively, fucking Nagash would be fantastic in 3k! If not because more heroes to dust, an entire army to heal and support, and you could afford to get both a big unit to res and a decent list.
>>96559674I kinda think that those big 800+ point centerpiece models are made for 3k battles. Yes, you can take them in 2k but you're playing with like half an army essentially. In 3k they feel like they're really leading a full army and you get a way more grand scale and interesting battles. With Archaon at 2k he's strong but you've got like maaaaaaaybe 4 other units at the most? It just feels like yeah, you can do it, but it's not meant for it. If Archaon doesn't do serious work you're going to lose solely on not having enough models to contest objectives.
>>96559717I should do a 3k point game with some of my locals at some point, or just some screw around games. It's neat following rules and all but I feel like I'm missing out since I can't JUST DRAG MY FRIENDS IN TO PLAY THS SHIT!
>>96559725Archaon, Abraxia, and all the Varanguard you can fit into a 3k list.
>>96559754I would just like to run all my cool big guys I have, or have a mixed roster of like 1500 points SBGL and 1500 points FEC.Shit like that sounds fun, my friend is gradually assembling some SoB he's kitbashing. (Mix of official stuff, resin, and other stuff) He wanted a series of clan moulder escapees that are just horrible mutant freaks. Only issue is his hobbying speed is very slow due to physical issues but god damn I just wanna play some funny shit.
>>96557820GW needs to chill with the new factions and flesh out what they have (especially Kruleboyz)
>>96557199>>96557231
>>96559887>good kisser>breath could kill an animal
>>96559851Let Kruleboyz wither and die. By 7th edition we might be completely rid of them.
>>96554418>TQHave the Ossiarchs gotten a book? Could be interesting to see Ossiarch society from their perspective.
>>96560078They did get a novel where they fight Lumineth.
>>96560054I get stormcast being trimmed to introduce slimmer kits, but kruleboyz are here to stay like idoneth or fyreslayers
>>96559851I want cavalry, murknob infantry, and one more monster. Also one more hobgrot unit. No fucking named characters. Named characters are a blight.
>>96559754>Archaon >Abraxia (normal or SoG)>15 varanguard Doesn't sound all that fun to fight against
>>96560136I'm okay woth them having no heavy infantry but I second cavalry (hobgrot and flying) and monster (Mire Drake). Also, change Gobsprakk into a generic swampcalla
I still stand by my want for kruel boyz to have units of domesticated wild life that arent just shroom stuff.
>>96560139It would not.
>>96560161Like a pack/herd of something? That works too.
>>96560161gnashtoof pack with a beast tamer, squigherd style beast unit. already appeared in the video game
>>96558848>I'm still confused what was the point of bringing it backTwo things:1. Cash in on total war zoomies, all the models are already done so by far the biggest costs are already covered2. Fuck over kings of war and (re-)establish themselves in the rank and flank scene
I wonder if nagash is immediately going to deal with skaven when comes back in 5th
To think this little guy has surpassed the Mawkrusha that used to be the gold standard for smashy monsters
In 4th, is a Clan Moulder army any fun to play? Love all the new models they got and would love to lean into those but GW (in their infinite fucking wisdom) sent all the Rat Swarms and Giant Rats off to Legends so they've lost a little variety. Still seem fun though, but are they? Or are a fucking chore to play on the table?
>>96560471>sent all the Rat Swarms and Giant Rats off to LegendsSadly, anon, they're actually just straight up squatted. Didn't even get Legends rules.
>>96560471There is an army of renown that is straight up just rat ogres, thanquol, everything else thats big and moulder related. Whether thats fun or not I dont know because i have not seen anyone play skaven in my stormcast/std/ warclans dominated play group.
Almost got these confused with that tzeentch warcry warband
>>96556561NTA, but not appreciating muscular dudes is pretty gay
>>96560504you may be blind.
>>96560391the answer is no
>>96554733Theyre probably just going to get a Stormcast style face lift
>>96560520I know it must be hard to conceptualise in the the context of modern culture, but you can appreciate something without wanting to have sex with it
>>96556852Is this even remotely possible since Old World is a thing now?
>>96560558Anything is. Maybe it’d even boost tomb kings popularity.
>>96560558If anything ToW reprinting that shit might make GW look for a way to get rid of it once that game dies again
>>96555156Yes. It's very control-based, you struggle to do any real damage because the only rend at all you get is from the regiment ability and on the warqueen (and she's way too squishy and important to spend time in combat with anything remotely threatening) but it gets a lot of models in larger-than-normal units for spearhead, and the fully buffed fellrider unit gets at least somewhat punchy (10 attacks at 3/3/1/2 on the charge with the rend and warqueen buffs). But it's fun to play and the oath gimmick is interesting and makes you call your shots in a neat way.
>>96556923This feels like something that could very easily be done with some hobbying using the rules for one of the chaos RoR.
>>96560558Ya know I'm actually thinking, before Old World it seemed like there was another warhammer fantasy character brough back every month, but have they done any more since the Old World announcement? Or at least a few months after the announcement.
>>96560535I know. I have posters of muscular dudes, I don't want to have sex with them. Just mire
>>96555537Really well done beastmen, love the IJ bits as masks
>>96560652ushoran? hashut? soon enough we get to not!greasus's daughter, not!skrag and R63 golgfag, and on the horizon there are still malekith, kurnous, tyrion, maybe even kroq gar, and lizardmen also got faithful recreations of tetto eko and gor rok, even if as generic characters
>>96560652I mean maybe some tzeentch character and ikkit can get a new model in aos,aside from that i dont really know who else would want to get ported over. Maybe that slaughterpriest from tww into dok?
>>96560670
>>96560652Big ush and hashoot recently.That being said I prefer aos original characters on the whole. Although in some cases it works, most of the time them being from "the world that was" doesn't really add much to their character.
>>96560687Ushoran and Hashut yeah fair enough actually, I think saying that the Ogre characters are the WFB ones ported over is a stretch though.
>>96560504>years into MK4 and it still hasn't really launched what a flop. Worse still what pitiable community it does have are total waacfags as if that didn't kill the game before
>>96560763Kino>>96560782I'm always surprised to see it's still around. Wasn't it even still barely hanging on in the top 10 list?
They really need to redo mortek guard, not because of them being small, but because they dont have a fucking musician. Its degenerate to lack such basic decorum.
>>96560885Musicians in undead or evil armies are goofy.Only Nurgle and Slaanesh get away with it.They need something thematic, like a apprentice necromancer reinforcing control.Even if you take the army wide order signals route, the fuck do undead need music for that?
>>96560906>Musicians in undead or evil armies are goofy.You should kill yourself, now.
>>96560885Or they should get a dedicated musicial hero like several armies do already
>>96560906The Chosen dude with the drum is so fucking great though.>CAM ON CHAOS>SCORE SUM FACKIN GOALS
>>96560828privateer press sold the IP and the current holders are just slow with development (rulebook isn't even available)
>>96560906For undead sure I can see the argument even though I disagree. Why the fuck shouldn't evil armies have musicians though?
>>96560298>2. Fuck over kings of war and (re-)establish themselves in the rank and flank sceneApparently KoW are going to announce a new edition parading around Alessio Cavatore again.I wonder if gw will try to steal the spotlight a second time.
how do you guys feel about homebrew rules? would you be okay playing against somebody if they wanted to use unofficial rules?
>>96559206>septum piercingdisgustingwho convinced women this was a good look
>>96561088it depends entirely on what these house rules entail>I rewrote the battletome because it's shit and my dudes deserve to kill that thing easily>I converted a dude on a dragon but my army has no such option, so I wrote a profile for it
>>96555781one of the grombrindle novels has an ogor mawtribe as the main antagonist, it was pretty cool if i recall correctly
>>96561088Depends entirely on the rules themselves, and the guy I'm playing with. Homebrew rules can be very cool, but I find that far too often, it's just a power fantasy and people make completely insane things because "that's the lore!" or something.
>>96561078They'll probably announce kislev or vampire coast or whatever fucking faction they've been developing on the same day lmao
>>96561076>evilI was originally going to list demonic hordes, monster swarms and stuff along that line, but I got lazy and relied on others to grasp my meaning.Trying to kick a habit of writing bloats of text with a dozen random thoughts, because it turns into a incoherent mess or people jump on the unimportant side thought/argument and derail.
>>96561144they're going to announce nothing because they don't give a shit about kow.
>>96561188they gave enough of a shit to announce tow ahead of time, with nothing to show for it, the exact day of kow's previous edition.
>>96559206Why is she perfect, bros?
>>96561188Tow was announced like 5 years before it eventually came out, and it happened to be just on the exact same day kow had a major expansion or new edition or some bullshit idk. Let's not pretend gw is above fucking over their competitors.
>>96560391Would be funny if he does a necroquake that just murders half the skaven and resurrects them to fight the other half so they just infight again.>>96561095I love how out of everything going on in that image the septum piercing is the first thing you bring up.
>>96561088I don't care as long as they're fine with feedback in matched play? Presumably it'd be a group setting so if everyone thinks something is undercoated that can be addressed and vice versa.
>>96561218>>96561230tow was announced like 3 weeks after idiots.
I feel like I'm being astroturfed by GW with how much they're shilling Helmsmiths. Nobody wants this fucking dogshit looking army.
>>96561249What army do you play anyhow?
>>96561251ultramarines.
>>96561251FEC / GSG / Skaven
>>96561105>I rewrote the battletome because it's shityes its this>and my dudes deserve to kill that thing easilybut tries really hard to not be this>>96561142>>96561243the 4th ed stormcast battletome is really awful and it promotes using unit combinations that dont fit the narrative. theres no mention of the conclaves (redeemer, justicar, etc.) at all, and theyve been a central feature since 1st edpeople want to create armies themed around chambers but the rules actively promote doing the oppositeso i created this idea of "armies of renown" for each chamber (including one for stormkeep enjoyers) and i called them battalions to distinguish them from regular AORs because i want them to be viable choices let me know if you guys think this is a cool idea, or if im a dumb gay retard that just made something overpowered so i could win https://imgur.com/a/dFrxyhD
>>96561258Good god.Yeah I can see why a semi-elite army with artillery would be not what you're looking for. Good choices though.
>>96561249US store page 3 minutes ago says otherwise.>when it doesn’t sell out it’s a flop>when it sells out it’s astroturfing Yeah, I took the bait. Touch grass and stop being so miserable.
>>96561249they sold out in seconds in every region, then ebay scalpers over MSRP were selling out. cope harder
>>96561267>or if im a dumb gay retard that just made something overpowered so i could winI wouldn't care, if you're having fun I think that's what's more important. I would do the same if I had a better grasp on how to fucking play the game but I only started this year and managed 10ish games so far. I would love to get more in but setting aside multiple hours on a weekend can be a pain in the ass.
>>96561246it was either the dat of the announcement or the day of release, either way, they coordinated the reveal of tow to overshadow kow in a blatant way that was both unprecedented and unrepeated.
>>96560467I'd say the Ghoul King on Terrorgheist from the new FEC tome is the smashiest 'hero on monster' unit I've seen in any edition so far. That thing is absurd. It relies a lot on a big go turn, but up to 8 rend 2 D:D3+3 Crit Mortal attacks and 18 rend 1 D2 attacks is stupid. And it's a caster as well.
>>96561249I don't get the appeal either. It feels like it should be an army right up my alley (I play Skryre Skaven already, and Iron Warriors in 40k), but I don't actually see what people like about them. The Dominator looks laughable and ignominious, the artillery is uninspired and wimpy-looking...Is it just because they're dwarfs? Are people hungry for dwarfs? I really don't get it.
>>96561267Thunderhead Brotherhood sounds really good... until you remember just how bad Liberators, Vanquishers, and especially Vindictors areBut maybe it should be Ward 6+ instead of Ward 5+? Spammable 3+ save units with a 5+ ward can be a problem...but I guess if you have to spend more points to put a shooting unit behind them then that stops the spam issue?
>>96561292what a clown I was having my ghoul kings be on feet, now I'll have to awkwardly slip them onto my terrorgheists base. But god damnit, I wanted a ghoul king holding Ghal Maraz.
>>96561249>>96561302Gw has been dropping subtle hints for years now, people have had plenty of time to get hyped. I also think it's one of those armies were people either love it or hate it, but the people who love it REALLY love it. It's also ironically the most normal dwarf army in aos, and dorfs are always popular. I think gw has also done a good job of promoting the army in articles, after a pretty lukewarm reception when they were revealed.Oh also, in case people are interested, the infernal cohorts do in fact come with just enough male heads for the entire units (+ 1 special male head for the champion, + like 6 female heads). Looks like the female head is sculpted on the artillery crew though. That one looks especially bereft of options for the cres in general. You'll get the same two chorfs in every set which is a shame. You'd have to kitbash a bit with heads from other kits.https://taleofpainters.com/2025/09/review-helsmiths-of-hashut-army-set/
>>96561043It wouldn't be half as bad if they didn't keep on hoarding Everything behind individual paywalls on that shitty fucking app, that can barely be called optimised on its best day.Seriously, that shit barely works better than GW's late 00s site did on launch.
>>96561290gw could announce a new space marine lieutenant and overshadow kow.
>>96561337>Gw has been dropping subtle hints for years now, people have had plenty of time to get hyped.Yeah, and *I* was one of those people, but the actual reveal didn't do anything for me, because the aesthetics are weird and the things that I thought they would have weren't there. I don't think that just saying "People knowing some kind of evil dwarfs were coming is enough to make whatever those evil dwarfs ended up being automatically popular". I would argue even that some of the hyping content was misleading in nature.
So with all the leaks, and helsmiths, and other shit happening right now. How come GW couldn't be fucking assed to actually do anything big for the 10th anniversary.Right now people are actually excited but 90% of it is because of leaks and the chaos dwarf stuff. They could have literally set up pre-orders on the 10th and just off handedly mentioned all this stuff. Instead we got like 4 shitty articles and a bit of rumor engines.
>>96560712>That being said I prefer aos original characters on the whole.Lmao
>>96561355I don't think that just saying (...) is a convincing argument*I neglected to finish that sentence
>>96561304libs and vanqs aren't really even bad, certainly not bad enough to get called out specifically as bad. The most you could drop them would be 10 points.
>>96561357because aos had a catastrophic first edition, barely managed to stand on his own feet in 2nd edition, and then everything they planned for 3rd was cast down unceremoniously by retarded internal dynamics, now 4th is being run straightforward, by the book and on a tight leash to compensate there's nothing to celebrate
>>96561357Leakers work for GW. Leaks have been planned marketing since forever
>>96561355Would the new Chaos Dwarfs have been better if they stuck more to the very old look? Or maybe the look Total War gave them? I know I'd have been happier if GW just straight ripped the new Kroxigor design from Total War. I love the croc look for them.
>>96561249It's normal part of their release cycle to talk about the Sunday preorder, the shilling was much worse with saturnine, helsmiths is pretty tame. Though they should have released it all in one wave.On the flipside the design interview must be the most shallow shit ever lol, what could there possibly be to talk about. I really want to hear the justification on 3 up rolls, elite units without rend, and why my monstrous infantry that used to have damage 3 is now damage 1.
>>96561302HoH hits a big overlap of stuff people have been craving.A evil army thats not a horde of lunatics.Powerful Warmachines with pretty universal and nice rules, even as RoR for all of Chaos.They even please trad dwarf players because their design is pretty functional and not over the top KO/Slayers nonsense. What else would they play anyways?The roster is pretty varied, so it fits a lot of playstyles.Daemonic PPs are a cool faction trait, that involves tactics for a change.We also got a huge chunk of new general dwarf lore.On top of that people have been passively indoctrinated to be chorf-curious for decades, on top of the top the usual Total War shit, on the tippy top GW has been edging us with teasers for multiple editions.
>>96561267>but tries really hard to not be thisYet, there are signs of it everywhere in there. The best example I can think of, the one that struck me immediately, is the Strike Chamber getting the ability to turn of Redeploy. This reeks of "I hate it when the opponent walks away when I try to do 9" deep strikes, so I'm gonna make rules that prevent that" which I think is the wrong way to do it. I get that the Strike Chamber is the deep strike focused battalion, but simply taking one of the biggest weaknesses of that sort of strategy and simply being able to turn it off is lazy.Extremis Chamber is kinda nuts too, straight up a 5+ ward on stardrakes and stormdrake guard? Excuse you? And why is the Lightning Echelon just a straight up MUCH stronger version than the battletome one, where you don't have to roll for the strike first and ALSO get a superpowerful extra benefit? The limitations on each battalions is also far too lax, they should be much stricter, more like GWs army of reknowns who tend to be very limited. None of that "for each one of x keyword, you also get to take one of y keyword."
>>96561358Why yes I prefer characters native to the setting instead of "remember this?" characters from a game and world entirely different in tone snd scope awkwardly transplanted so gw can sell nostalgia. Why do you ask?
Was 3rd ed peak so far in AOS?
>>96561373Yeah I realize, but why not just have it be part of the official thing instead of just showing up with a belated birthday card and being like "Yeah AOS is pretty neat. Hey check out these space marines!"
>>96561400>>96561373https://youtu.be/8YIJ2HxisAw?si=UvXDv17XoyrbhZ43
>>96561374I'm pretty ambivalent on the whole "should they have looked like old chorfs" thing. For me, personally, I didn't care if they did something new for them, so long as they had an infernal clanky-pistony-coggy aesthetic to their machines. I love stuff like doom-flayers and soul grinders and skullcrackers and such. I just wanna see the worky bits; I don't want "fancy" or opulent machines.
>>96561357Because current GW sucks and you should move on to better companies or older games
>>96561410If that's true then GW is dumb as fuck, if they had all this stuff on the backburner and just decided to not show any of it off to provide any kind of hype to ride the wave of something like 10 year anniversary. >>96561417I would take it more seriously if you said this in any other thread than another of the GW games threads.
>>96561358Its not that hard of a thing to contemplate.Even night haunts glup shittos are enjoyable imo, thats without getting into the other heavy hitters in grand alliance death. >>96561396Do not speak what you know little of.
>>96560712Wouoldn't call those recent, both of those guys were around since 1e, they just didn't have models (well hashut still doesn't).Last character that was an asspull survival was Eltharion/Sigvald duo in 2e
>>96561376I guess that makes sense. I guess I also feel (a bit parasocially) betrayed, because I was the guy for years who was like "Chorfs are coming! Believe me!" at the LGS, and now that they're here I don't actually like them.
>>965613574th edition is a 10th celebration, hence the emphasis on 1st edition stuff
completely organic.
>>96561357Gw haa been pretty weird this year in general. Remember when they showed off shitmob and sovlbligt in january, then had radio silence (including no new minis shown at adepticon) until like scourge of ghyran? At the same time the 40k knight codex and upgdade sprue was announced forever ago and only got released like, last week? >>96561374Eh remember that these things are in development for 3 to 4 years before being shown. They were probably working on HoH for a while before the chaos dwarf dlc got released and it got such a positive reception. Both incarnations of chaos dwarves before that were super niche so I can't blame gw for taking risks there, even if I do prefer the oldchorf aesthetic. Agree on the krox though, ca's take on them is pretty cool and gw probably knows it, as we got warspawned as an alternate build lol.>>965613963rd edition was a shit time to be into aos
>>96560712Does Hashut even count when his AoS origin is totally incompatible with Fantasy? It's like a full-on rewrite.
>>96561388Lmao, what were the last 4 we got?>idoneth they/them>Archaon's strong black woman who don't need no man>Sigmar's strong black woman who don't need no man>Sigmar's jeet girl boss who don't need no man
>>96561422I mean Sigvald makes sense in the sense that any mortal from the old world could be zorked back into reality. (Glotkin and Festus had it! but also that's partially just 1st edition weird lore shit) But I'm glad Sigvald's in, I just like Sigvald even if his book was a clusterfuck.
>>96561420a glup shitto is a guy they showed for 1 second in the background of one frame, a character with a lore page and a model doesn't qualify.
>>96561374They should have been a blend of the forgeworld style and the old bighat styleIn other words, modernised bighats with a distinctly sinister and gritty industrial lookBut what we got was weird and full of art deco elements and has no distinctly chaos elements (you will not find 1 chaos star on the models) and also there's no skull imagery anywhere which is very unwarhammery and not based
>>96561387good criticism all around, thanks>This reeks of "I hate it when the opponent walks away when I try to do 9" deep strikes, so I'm gonna make rules that prevent that" which I think is the wrong way to do it. I get that the Strike Chamber is the deep strike focused battalion, but simply taking one of the biggest weaknesses of that sort of strategy and simply being able to turn it off is lazyfair enoughworth pointing out that its not guaranteed, you have to roll a 3+a 3+ to turn off commands is pretty common in the game right now, and you have to give up taking another heroic trait to use this, and its only against a single unit per turn>Extremis Chamber is kinda nuts too, straight up a 5+ ward on stardrakes and stormdrake guard? neither stardrake nor stormdrakes are CAVALRY, so they wouldnt get to add 1 to wards5+ ward on dracoths is good, but remember theyre only 10 health per squad, so it brings their effective health up to 15, which just matches the other cavalry without a ward> And why is the Lightning Echelon just a straight up MUCH stronger version than the battletome onethe current one is basically trash that nobody uses extremis chamber should be the heavy linebreaker but theyre saddled with a bunch of rend 1 attackersits also not usable by stormdrake/stardrake any more, and not usable from counter-charge any more, so its just strike first for a DRACOTH on your turn onlyyou also give up taking the other battle formations, so its not just free damage>The limitations on each battalions is also far too lax, they should be much stricter, more like GWs army of reknowns who tend to be very limited. None of that "for each one of x keyword, you also get to take one of y keyword."extremis cant bring any vanguard or ruination chamber units, so youre not bringing units with good reach like prosecutors or longstrikesdo you think thats not restrictive enough?
>>96561446You couldnt even pretend to acknowledge khadrons anon? For shame. If thats what draws you in though I wont judge.
>>96561451>and also there's no skull imagery anywhereThe artillery crew have skull mask-flaps on their helmets.I agree with you, though.
>>96561468Don't poke the retard anon.
>>96561444GW seems to have taken the position that AOS and Fantasy are wholly separate and not part of a continuous setting. At least that's how some things make it look to me anyway. The Hashut change to him being an evil Ancestor god instead of a minor Chaos god is a big one.Which is fine by me, because Fantasy having the freedom to potentially come back in full from TOW and effectively retconning the End Times is A-ok in my book.
>>96561444They're not. We dont even know if the current Hashut is the original bearer of the name.
Finished some hunters and terrawings. I didn't plan on spending much time painting these guys since they won't see a ton of use, but it was a really fun paint session. I like the models.
>>96561446Last 4 characters of note have been>krittok SOVLBLADE>droggz/jaggedsnarl>okay yeah the idoneth they/them fair enough, but fuck off their :) fluff has been pretty cool outside of that>urak tarrNot counting existing ones with new models or whatever like vhordrai
>>96561447Glotkin and Sigvald are compleatly different cases.Glots won, went mission accomplished and left to chill in Nurgle's Garden for job well done and then got sent back when Nurgle needed help again.Sigvald got pissed to death, his dead soul was found by Nagash who tortured him for fun by making him a mirror or something like that and then random cultists found out soul of an ancient champion is trapped somewhere and freed him.
>>96561361They're not bad, but they're not good either. Not good enough to be anything but cheap chaff, and that seems very wrong for Sigmar's hand-picked elite immortal demigods infused with holy lightning
>>96561508You forgot Falconer Flegryn and his Disney princes powers over birds (bats)
>>96561486Inb4 aos gets the storm of chaos treatment
>>96561504Blue chameleons fleshbang me the same way non-blue skink/saurus do
Today is my bday and my parents gifted me surprised present. I love my parents
>>96561530enjoy anon
>>96561530dont mind mirrored image im a dumbass
>>96561528GW starts ignoring community polls? That's not much given it just determins which starter faction gets full reveal 1st nowdays
>>96561513a lib at 3+ 2w and crit mortal is still the best basic infantry profile in the game, maybe tied with a chaos warrior.
>>96561512Oh right, I forgot about the mirror shit. It is funny having Nagash torment him forever despite Nagash basically never having interacted with him at all. Good for the Glot-trio though, they did their best and actually got rewarded for it.>>96561522I forgot he's out, fuuuuuuuck. I spent my hobby budget on nurgle stuff :(
>>96561425In insisting so long and so hard that Chorfs were coming you subconsciously set yourself up for disappointment. Whatever GW made was never going to exactly please you. In my case I’m waiting for Malerion’s elves, but I hold no expectations as to what they will be like or when they will come. I personally resigned myself to accepting that chorfs were coming before Malerion when the Horns came out. But anyway, you should ask yourself why you’re displeased with AoS’s incarnation of Chorfs. Is it because they weren’t exactly what you expected or because when you take away all pretext you still just don’t like them? And even then look on the bright side, GW chose to play it relatively safe because they could’ve just as easily upped the wacky scale on them and made them hardly anything like the old faction that inspired them.
>>96561540okay but you get double the number of chaos warriors, for less than double the costliberators are also bigger than chaos warriors, and on bigger bases, so they shouldnt have the same statschaos warriors also get way better buffing options than liberatorson a side note, liberators having crit mortals is just weird... the more elite hammer units in the army dont have crit mortals, but the chaff screen unit has it. strange
>>96561508Krittok probably would have had fun as fuck rules in 2nd or 3rd
>>96561538Nah aos retcon to be alternate timeline >>96561540It's a 4e problem not a problem with liberators specifically. The amount of factions where it's more beneficial to run the standard infantry to do standard infantry things is incredibly small.
>>96561462>a 3+ to turn off commands is pretty common in the game right nowI don't think it's very common in the movement phase, actually. For comparison, Concussors have the ability, but they do it in the combat phase, meaning they only ever shut off allout attack, defense and power through. The movement phase is the best possible timing for such an ability, since you can do it after you've moved (or dropped in) to put yourself in range, unlike a hero phase timing, and you do get to shut down redeploy, locking an enemy in place. The fact that it only hits a single enemy is largely irrelevant, because it's exactly against a single enemy where it matters. Normally, a unit on its lonesome out in the open is actually very difficult to deepstrike onto, because it can redeploy away safely. If a bunch of units are together, one of them redeploying doesn't really matter. The most important part however, isn't the power level of the ability, it's the fact that it takes a weakness of the army and just removes it. A recipe for imbalance.>5+ ward on dracoths is goodMy bad about the stardrakes and guard, I was reading too fast. But sticking a 5+ ward on any 3+ save units not designed to have easy access to it is probably too powerful, especially for rules that get stapled on top of all the normal ones. Which brings us to...>do you think thats not restrictive enough?Not in the slightest. Unlike normal AoRs, these don't remove the regular SCE traits, you just get another extra layer of rules. This means they need to either be EXTREMELY restrictive, or much, much weaker than they are.>the current one is basically trash that nobody usesBe very careful with stuff like this when writing homebrew rules. This is the sort of thing that makes people refuse them, because here you're admitting that you just want the army to become more powerful, rather than fluffier or more interesting. A slippery slope.
>>96561513SC have always been dumb in that respect. Fluff-wise, model wise, they're supposed to be top dog elite shitters on ogre sized bases, but in reality 90% of their infantry was like...2 attacks 3+4+ no rend 1 damage and a 4+ save on dudes covered head to toe in magical full plate armor. Which is why they were traditionally played pretty much exclusively as a shooting or Cavalry army, because the infantry were a joke. Current SC is actually slightly more elite than they used to be, but most of their units still feel more like human shitters than demigods, which is why their weakest units are never worth fielding as anything except chaff.
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people acting like the modern chorfs are so odd when the infantry really aren't that different from these little fuckers
>>96561522True but I wasn't sure if I should count him since gw has a habit of randomly making generic characters named, they did it with nighthaunt a few times. Anyway it supports my argument because he's cool as fuck too.>>96561528Without all the bullshit surrounding storm of chaos I'd like a cool community event
>>96561566Nta but if the current tome isn't doing so hot and liberators aren't a premier pick then I think that opens up space for some changes to them. Like questors are pretty much preferable in every way and have a less conditional access to a 5 up ward.Either way you can't just theorycraft everything and it would require table time, and consider the scope. This isn't some person spamming a unit, just wants to add some incentive for an under utilized unit.Personally if they were a friend and wanted to try the changes I'd be up for it, nothing looks disgustingly broken.
>>96561579They definitely feel more based on that era of Chorf design than Legion of Boregath, which I think was a good decision.
>>96561574Did they actually just drop the date as a surprise or something? What the fuck
>>96561574That one anon can finally rest.
>>96561542>In insisting so long and so hard that Chorfs were coming you subconsciously set yourself up for disappointment. Probably! Woe betide me when they finally release Dark Mechanicum for 40k, god!>But anyway, you should ask yourself why you’re displeased with AoS’s incarnation of Chorfs.Oh, I know that. It's this: >>96561413 I just don't like that they went for a fancy and and ornate aesthetic instead of an industrial one. It's kind of the exact opposite of what I like in a Warhammer faction. Squatting the Soul Grinder was like my 9/11.
>>96561559They're both 20ppm, cw used to be cheaper. SC just use Questors as they're basic guys anyway so the comparison is academic. Plus the discussion was never a comparison to begin with the two of them are intended to be the strongest profiles and they more or less are or close enough.
>>96561565How is it a 4e problem when libs are about the same level of usefulness as they've been since release despite getting higher damage every edition.
>>96561591It was in some rando's prerelease review.
>>96561541>Nagash basically never having interacted with him at allHe killed a mortarch during ET didn't he? So he indirectly, but did do a major harm to Nagash
>>96561566>redeploy discussionthese are all fair pointsmaybe the mortal wounds are good enough from that ability and the redeploy clause isnt necessary>But sticking a 5+ ward on any 3+ save units not designed to have easy access to it is probably too powerfulit depends on the base health of the unit, since wards are multipliers. a 5+ ward on a 6 health hero is basically worthless5+ ward is +50% multiplier, so if the base health is 30 you end up with a 45 effective health unitbut if your unit is only 20 health, a 5+ ward takes you to 30and there are tons of ways to disable wards in the game now, with every book adding more>Unlike normal AoRs,they're not supposed to be AORs, they just use a similar text format>you just get another extra layer of rules. This means they need to either be EXTREMELY restrictive, or much, much weaker than they areyou get more choices, similar to SOGyou get new battle traits to promote building chamber-themed lists, but the rest are all competing with the base stuff, you still only get to pick 1 artefact and 1 battle formation etcso you can take lightning echelon, but you give up the hammerstrike force devastation brotherhood which are good for extremis lists>because here you're admitting that you just want the army to become more powerfuli think its okay to make weak underused abilities more powerfullike i said before, there are new restrictions on this ability that didnt exist before (only your turn, only cavalry, etc.) so its not strictly better
>>96561590it's actually pretty surprising how similar they are. u can even almost see the outline of a spear based on the glaive spike. more shaved mustaches and the lack of a hat spike are really the biggest differences.
>>96561606chaos warriors can reinforce to 40 models and have a real impact on the battlefieldbut the main problem is that liberators shouldnt just be chaos warriors on bigger bases
>>96561605I’m sure you can still find a way to enjoy them. With them being relatively plain but ornate they’re ripe with surfaces to gribble up. Make /Your Ziggurat/ one that is historically destitute and even critically indebted to other richer Zigs but they still manage to make it work as lore foundation for having much scrappier chorfs and daemon engines.
>>96561579I said it during the reveal threads but if chorfs never existed and they just dropped helsmiths of hashut looking exactly like oldchorfs (with modern sculpting) all the grogs would still seethe about them. Not that I'm the biggest fan of nuchorfs, but still. Hell that image makes me wish they'd have gone for way widwr beards on the normal chorfs instead of reserving that for leaders for some reason.
>>96561642i meant 40 health, not 40 models
>>96561656>Hell that image makes me wish they'd have gone for way widwr beards on the normal chorfs instead of reserving that for leaders for some reason.they reserved it for leaders to make headswaps easier on the infantry. this in turn was necessary because some of the torsos are multipurpose and because of the inclusion of interchangeable female chorf heads.
>>96561579See the thing is, I just wanted a modern version of these dudes remixed with the grittier industry elements of legion of azgorh Instead we got this weird art deco bent sheet metal look to everything
>>96561628>it depends on the base health of the unit, since wards are multipliers. a 5+ ward on a 6 health hero is basically worthlessNo, it depends on the total health in the whole army you're adding the ward save to. The recent Gorechosen is a perfect example. They just added a ward to a 6 health hero, right? It's a 4+, so it's very good, but by your own way of counting, that's still just an effective 12 wounds, which isn't all that much. Except, of course, this was multiplied across the whole army, because in Gorechosen you're bringing a LOT of those 6 health dudes. Gorechosen is a more extreme example, but the same principle works here. Yes, if you're only taking a single 10 health unit of dracoths, a 5+ ward isn't going to make all that much of a difference. But across an army where you might be bringing three reinforced such units (clocking in at 1260 points, leaving room for support and other things), that's suddenly 30 extra effective health on a 3+ save to chew through for the enemy, and that's a lot.>and there are tons of ways to disable wards in the game now, with every book adding moreBecause GW, in their not-so-infinite wisdom, made the same mistake you have and flooded the game with potent ward saves, so in response they're just having units that remove wards, which is an arms race no one should be getting involved in and is a mistake on GWs part.
>>96561667>some of the torsos are multipurpose and because of the inclusion of interchangeable female chorf heads.I don't see how the female heads come into play, it's because of the multipurpose torsos like you said, big beards would get in the way of some weapon configurationswhatever i'll sculpt them on myself
>>96561693my condolences for your loss, anon. i personally prefer the helsmiths look to the LoA design, though. i think HoH betters fits the broader AoS design philosophy
>>96561720>I don't see how the female heads come into play,because if you look at the war despot sprue as an example, the wide beards usually replace chunks of torso or are sculpted directly on. that wouldn't work with the female heads unless you have a unique torso piece for each female
>>96561753Or just sculpt tits on the female heads
>>96561768Tits don't grow on the head, anon
>>96561708>that's suddenly 30 extra effective healthso if you bring 1300 points (plus a hero that brings them) and restrict your army so heavily that you cant take many of the best units available to your army, then your 60 health army becomes 90 health, with counterplay being readily availablei dont think thats as big of a balance issue as youre claiming... have you tried running dracoths this edition? they die VERY quickly for whats supposed to be an elite heavy cavalry hammer unit> so in response they're just having units that remove wardsnot related to our discussion so far, but i actually like the ward hate, i think it adds an interesting layer to the game. ward spam is obnoxious and GW cant help but give everything a 5+ ward these days so we might as well have some counterplay to itthough i like it more when its something like a -1 to wards from a knight-relictor instead of outright removing them like KO thunderers
>>96561468>You couldnt even pretend to acknowledge khadrons anonThey didn't get a new special character with their latest book, so why would mention them?
>>96561781They got a black dwarf remember, and since all the other named characters for AoS that came out got skipped might as well have gone all out with the bait.
>>96561797He has rules for stealing his opponents' shit, so he gets a pass for actually accurate representation.
>>96561622It's a 4e problem because they eliminated the battle line tax and also made a ton of cav the same amount of wound density per point or close enough to render infantry pointless. This is layered on top of many synergies that multi model units benefit from being completely gone (how many plus one attacks do you see anymore?) as well as a ton of anti infantry and multi model mortals sticking around.This is also compounded by the greatest advantage 25mm infantry had by being able to attack base to base being pointless because everything is 3 inches.So yeah it's a pretty shit edition for most infantry. Monstrous or heavy infantry it's not as bad since they didn't really gain as much from synergies but gained extra attack range.Liberators specifically haven't been super great in a while but there was stronger reasons to take them in 3e for sure.
>>96561822None of that applies to libs and stormcast. They've always had big bases, bad wound/point cav, no buffs, and small unit sizes.
>>96561753Yeah could be actually. The always female chorf body on the artillery also has a big hole in the body though, I think they could've found a way easily enough. Its more the weapon loadouts that are the problem. Sidenot but the despot is probably the coolest chorf model aside from the bull centaurs imo.
>>965616224th edition put a lot of effort into fixing the weird statlines in the game, like the 2 health squigs that hit on 2+/2+ with rend 3 jaws and crit mortals and 5+ wardthey created racial templates (humans on 4+/4+, dwarves and orcs 4+/3+, elves 3+/4+, monsters 4+/2+, and so on) and indexed every army and mostly stuck to the templatesstormcast were scaled up compared to normal humans, but they werent scaled up high enoughit makes sense that a chaos warrior is 2 health, 3+ save, 2 max damage on 3+/3+ with a situational +50% damage bonus because the model is bigger and has heavier armor than a normal human. it feels right.it doesnt make sense for a stormcast to also be 2 health and 2 max damage when they are physically larger, have a bigger base, wear heavier armor, have bigger weapons, and are far lower in model count. it feels wrong.stormcast are bigger and tougher than a normal human, but not by enoughits not a balancing problem but its a huge disconnect between the rules of the game and the lore/models... and they specifically stated they were trying to fix that issue this edition!
>>96561867>They've always had big bases, bad wound/point cav, no buffsthis isnt a good reason to keep things this way thoughstormcast stat lines came from the 2015 AOS starter box. in that box the stormcast felt tough and elite with 2 wounds, 4+ saves and 4+/3+/1 statlines because they were faced up against a bunch of bloodreavers with 1 health, 6+ saves, and 4+/3+/0 statsit took them 3 more editions to finally improve the stormcast statline to 3+ saves and 3+/3+/1 accuracy, but the health and max damage is still too low. theres no good reason a stormcast liberator should only be capable of doing 2 damage per turn with these two fuckhuge hammers
>>96561886>stormcast are bigger and tougher than a normal human, but not by enoughA normal human is 4+/4+ 1w and rend 0. The gap is larger than its ever been in the games history.
>>96561574>>96561635It just hit me the book might have rules for running an actual ogroid squad.
>>96561925they aren't played because they're too slow, that's really the fundamental issue with infantry of all types and always has been.
Does anybody know any good proxies for Nexus of Grief / Cursed Sepulchre? Even just like a cheap 2D footprint will do. Thanks
>>96561753The war despot is not an infernal guard sprue
>>96562050They're haunted ruins, you can probably find proxies in your local aquarium store
>>96562114Sure, but I haven't been able to find the right dimensions for them
>>96561530Congrats, have fun
>>96561442>>96561420So what edition was peak AOS?
>>96561950>The gap is larger than its ever been in the games history.yesbut its not enough
>>96562053keep up, retard. other anon was complaining that the infernal cohort *doesn't* have wide beards *like the leaders*, i.e., the war despot. so i was explaining why the war despot beard wasn't replicated in the infernal cohort. goddamn you're dumb
>>9656216511th will be, then 14th as a close 2nd
>>965621652nd was a golden age in terms of new fluff, new armies, all around crystallization or what aos was all about as a setting. I couldn't tell you how it played since I was still a nogames back then but I've heard a lot of good things. Allthough the balance was also a bit off apparently.
>>96562239>It'll peak when we're all either retired or deadGrim
>>96562316Retired boomers are peak wargaming heritage, those lads enjoy themselves the most. You can only hope your game of choice becomes peak when you're just retired.
>>96561867They were battleline though and screens were much more important in 3e, and at times they were the cheapest.My argument isn't so much that liberators in third were an amazing unit, just that battleline type units had way more of an incentive to take, artificial through battleline tax or being legitimately good units because of synergies.>>96561886You're not wrong but they likely won't do this for both internal and external balance. Would necessitate a point increase and leave a gap of pointing for units. Gryph hounds would kinda fit that spot but really having something like memorians or support staff for sce would be cool.
>>96562165Didn't play second but feels like the game had a lot of support behind it then. Not just releases but the podcast they ran and hype campaigns. Covid probably fucked a lot of that.3e felt like it tried it's best to retain the flavor but was more grounded in balance. While 4e threw that all out the window for reasons? I guess spearhead is neat but not really enough to hold my interest.
>>96562378Everything had condition bl, you could take stormdrakes as bl if you wanted to. The standard was maybe a single unit of libs as the last unit in the list. That's the same as it is right now.
>>96562378>Would necessitate a point increase and leave a gap of pointing for units.
>>96561574Sauce?
>>96562454/aco/
>>9656231611e will be here in only 21 years Anon, that's nothing.We're closer to it than to 9/11
So with Ogres becoming retard cavemen, what's happening with the ironblaster? It's a dual kit so they can't just yeet it, will they keep it then drop it? Honestly Pakled ogres is a neat idea but I don't see GW doing it and instead are making them ogre-bonespliters.
>>96562574>So with Ogres becoming retard cavemenThat's not what's happening, they're literally just going from having a unit of stolen cannons to a unit hunters with crossbowseverything else about their theme or aesthetic will be the exact same down to a mercenary man-eater hero and a special character bedecked in gold and precious trinkets
>>96562587Whitefang confirmed it, literally saying>Reject modernityWhich is a meme for returning to monkee. I was talking specifically about the ironblaster and how I like the idea of Pakled ogres. Retards who trick people into giving them better tech because people think they won't understand how to use it.
>>96562596ur right, we have to take the meme reference literally and to its fullest possible extent. in fact, it's obvious that the new ogors will be literal apes since they are returning to monkenot sure what the metal gut plate in the rumour engine is about though
>>96561693GW is SPECIFICALLY doing radical design element changes in AoS. You'll have 'nods' but not 1:1 or even 0.9:1. For example; Seraphon. Look at the new Saurus Warriors. They have metal shields which gives them a complete different visual appearance to the old Saurus Warriors with scale shields (also the Saurus Warriors/Saurus Guard box shit is doing my head in, nobody has explained it).>Why are they doing this?Because it will allow GW to put them into TOW and be visually different. A Saurus Warrior (Old) looks different to Saurus Warrior (new) due to these changes. So you don't get confused between the two. It'll happen with remaining CoS Dark Elf stuff as well. GW will eventually bring all the legacy armies back to TOW but use the old designs. Hence why ogres are changing from guys with guns and cannons to guys with crossbows and javelins. This means LoA units will go back to TOW for Chaos Dwarfs so HoH are different visually. Same reason GW doesn't put Treelords/Spirit of Durthu in the Wood Elves rulebook despite them being WHFB models. Will GW change the Treelord/SoD later on and port them to TOW? Maybe. Who knows. But that's what GW is doing. Same reason LRL are radically different to HE. Same reason Skaven have more complicated machinery now than they did in WHFB. Same reason that CoS are Hussite War-Cum-Late-19th-Century-Tactics and look different to pike-and-shot Empire. This is the ultimate goal of GW. Same reason we have duardin instead of dwarf. So dwarf can exist in TOW and duardin in AoS. Separate. So if somebody googles duardin the metrics will be different to dwarf.
>>96562646Why are you getting so fucking buttmad over this? He literally just stated they're rejecting modernity, which means a return to a more primitive state. Which ties in with the other leakers saying that ogres are getting a refresh and losing a load of shit. But my interest was the fact the Ironblaster wasn't being removed which doesn't track with the 'primitive ogres vs CoS ogres' thing. You remove Leadbelchers and replace them with crossbow guys, but you keep Ironblaster? Hence my question was it purely because it's a dual kit with the scrap launcher which is 'primitive' enough.
>>96562430Yes and no.Yes people tried to minimize the amount of liberators they could take.Not all the time were certain units battleline, there was concessions like you had to take a subfaction or hero as a general.If people were not taking thunderbolt volley they were taking call for aid because it only worked on redeemers back then. A common trend with 4e is having very little restrictions on who can use command abilities, as if they all provide the same value to every unit.Currently I would only take liberators if I could not possibly fit anything else in. Before I may have put them or vindictors more often to fill in gaps. But I also prefer to run infantry. Competitive wise people were most often running tempestors in hammers of sigmar for a good part of late edition.All of this is to say that without meaningful restrictions in list building, people just run to whatever is the most powerful warscrolls. There were more restrictions in 3e than 4e, and this is good for pushing people into making different lists, rather than giving special characters that already have some of the best profiles the ability to bring anything.
>>965613962nd Ed was the peak and we didn't know it at the time.3rd was a long decline and 4th is just shit (SOG is too late, the new books generally still suck outside of flashes of mediocre work like FEC).
>>96562669>Why are you getting so fucking buttmad over this?>rolling my eyes at your lack of nuance is buttmad
>>96562673>There were more restrictions in 3e than 4e, and this is good for pushing people into making different listsno, like 80% of list were hammers specifically because getting battleline dracoths was so good.
>>96562693Not entirely, maybe after the tome creep happened and they had to drop points. Tempestors and dracolines weren't a thing until points drops.I put much more value on running gardus and redeemers in hollowed knights than anything that redeemers can do so far this edition and most likely all the edition. Even if someone ran liberators blocks, they don't get to choose the battles and don't even get to tarpit with power through being a thing for some reason.
>>96562596>Whitefang confirmed it, literally saying>>Reject modernityTalking about leadbelchers, nothing else
>>96562734you had fulminators as a staple from day one.
The only realm truly worth fighting for.
>>96562835ghyran is the absolute fucking worst realmcan't have shit in it
>>96562754Yup, but 4 of them cost like 440 and that's only 1 of your 3 battleline slots. People weren't running more than that and not unreinforced.
>>96562687>>96562693>>96562734So what should GW do to make it beter next ed? This current version is very bland and has all the sauce taken out.
>>96562915Keep updating the rules with more fluffy options, update objectives and tools for each army.Literally just keep on the path they're on now and we'll be where 40k is now where people are pretty happy after a shitty lame ass launch.
>>96562165Spearhead is peak AOS
>>9656294540k is still missing all the psychic stuff for most factions, isn't it? Including the whole phase. That seems like a pretty big thing that still hasn't been fixed.
>>96563000Fair, but I've heard mostly positive stuff coming from folks unless they're grey knights players.
>>96563039As a GSC player, I loathe that my book has been rewritten so many times I don't even know my own rules anymore, I'm fully focusing on AOS until the next edition
>>96562915What I want vs what gw wants vs what the designers want are probably three very different things.That is to say I want more things than one page rule style army rules. Aors should not replace battle traits but expand on them and they should have separate pointing from each other.Something like a mix of detachments and what sbgl had for dynasties in 3e.
>>96563057Could be worse, you could play admech
Anyone seen some cool master moulder conversions?
>>96562669Nta but that was specifically in reference to leadbelchers and gunpowder. Iirx he's since liked a post clarifying that they're not going full unga bunga. I mean the teaser image has a normal gutplate, which doesn't exactly scream stone age to me either.
>>96562915Keep the current core rules and inject the 2nd edition flavor back in. The core system finally has enough clarity it can handle the sort of wacky shit the older books brought into the game Since they are committed to balancing the points so often, they can just point up shit that is too strong.But they won't do this, they don't have the creative, clever people in the studio any more.
>>96563200Best I can do is more subfactions with shitty meaningless names like ThunderCock Fartpushers that have the same d3 MWs on a 2+ as every other army.
>>96563200>they don't have the creative, clever people in the studio any more.They do, they just work on Horus Heresy rules
>>96563065>Boy I love paying 1 dollar per point of my units
>>96563235>>they don't have the creative, clever people in the studio any more.>They do, they just work on Horus Heresy rules
>>96563260That's not a joke, HH has been more daring than 40k for some time now
>>96563289the game is just 7th edition 40k with new models
>>96563304It's not been that for like 4 years
>>96563233Don't forget actual fluffy Armies of Renown that would be to /yourdudes/ with except they require a unique character as their general.
>>96563200>>96563233I wish they’d be more daring with subfactions changing warscroll profiles and abilities. Like Helon Lumineth Sentinels could get an extra shot, run and shoot, BUT they can no longer reinforce, loft shots, and max range is 14 or something shorter than usual. Spend a page per subfaction if you have to in order to add the flavor, they already do it in 40k.
>>96563258That's one thing I'll give AOS, much fucking cheaper than 40k all around.
>>96563522Am I remembering correctly that you used to be able to choose which realm /yourdudes/ were from and it gave you a little bonus depending on what one you chose? Or am I confusing things ?
>>96563899Not entirely. You’d assign a realm and had access to more artefacts. I can’t remember if you also had access to some traits, but for sure there were realm artefacts.
>>96563899You'd be able to choose from between a bunch of realm artifacts, with some minor overlap but largely being unique to their realms.Some like the 4+ ward items were incredibly popular, but arguably there was something useful in all realms as I remember it.It's one of the things I miss the most about 2nd edition. While unbalanced, it was more memorable with high highs and low lows. And it also encouraged more hobbying, with people modeling and kitbashing the artifacts they used, and based their armies on coming from these realms, etc.Some anons that used to post a lot on here still have their heroes with those items kitbashed on.
>>96563921There was the artifact thing, but also some older rules that let you choose a home realm in your army that gave you like a spell and some other shit. 2E felt like a whole different game compared to 4E, honestly.
>>96563921>>96563950Sounds, dare I say, sovlful
Bow and tremble before the Nagash!
>>96564066>ushabti....im confused. isnt that exactly what the stalkers/immortis guard are? apart from the animal heads these are the same unit
>>96564092I suppose they could meant specifically the bow loadout?
>>96563950Sounds like the more GW tries to balance and make everything tourney-friendly especially making play fields identical like some fucking MOBA with all the L-shaped ruins, the worse the games become. No more random shit potentially happening with magic casts, no more random mutation tables.Tourneyfags have ruined everything.
>>96564066>which only leave so and so without rumors/hints/REMan, are orcs just that forgettable?
>>96564066>we basically only have [...] and seraphon without hints/rumours/re atmWasn't there some weird thing a while ago were the saurus warriors box was printed as saurus guard? Possibly meaning actual saurus guard would get squatted (and maybe brought back under a more copyrightable name like wardens of quetzl or whatever)? Whatever happened with that anyway?
>>96564114Orcs already had their battletome with a bunch of new stuff
>>96564099or the beast heads and great weapons
>>96564099yeah i guess i could see that. excited for my buddy then if thats the case, he collects OBR and he's been wanting some ranged units. i've got both fyreslayers and nurgle so i guess im just taking out a second mortgage lol
i recieved ultimate starting box as a gift. I never played any of tabletops but i must say AoS models mogs 40k ones. And i dont even like stormcast cuz they looks too much as sm
>>96564133Ah, didn’t realize that was for the edition and battletomes. My bad then
>>96564092I want to see them fight. No stupid crafted bone can match the artisanal might of Nehekara!
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>>96561529Then suffer with my recently finished brown saurus warriors
>>96564323nice lizards anon
>>96564323Badass
>>96563921Didn't you get a spell or spell lore too? I remember shit like Curse of Rust being available to Chamon armies.
>>96564506Think that wasnt for the army?Book also had rules/scenarios to play in certain realms, which would give everybody the spell.
>>96564531That's probably what I was thinking of
A call for help, anyone have the Ushoran novel?
