>Epic Armageddon is claimed to be the greatest ruleset for epic of all time>all marine units can only take missile launchers. They literally do not have access to any other special or heavy weapons.Huh?
Because the rules writers were retarded and the fans of the system cope.>it's le abstract, bro!If it's supposed to be abstract, why describe it as a missile launcher attack, then?
>all marine units can only take missile launchers.As Allah intended.
>>96561514>ruleset quality means weapon optionsYou are fucking retarded. Piss off to your generals.
>>96561740It's 2 missile launchers per squad with no other options. Devastators have 4 missile launchers per squad. And then the artwork shows the marines using other weapons. It's retarded.>>96561769Doesn't change that it's not lore accurate
>>96561514>>96561532> Filtered the 8th babiesWorking as intended
>>96561986All the retarded 8th-10th rules have also been justified with "muh abstraction." You're doing it too, now. The fact is that epic armageddon would be a FANTASTIC game if it had more lore accuracy and simulationist detail.
>>96562040>simulationist detail>for infantry anti tank in a game where the focus is war machineslearn about scale before shitting up the board with your nogames opinion
>>96562073YOU CANNOT ABSTRACT THE STATS OF A FUCKING MISSILE LAUNCHER TO BE EVERY HEAVY WEAPON A MARINE CAN CARRY
>>96562084You’re missing the point. The game isn’t about space marines.
>>96562099You're right. All Imperial Guard squads are assumed to have an autocannon heavy weapons team, which is equally retarded. All ork mobs are assumed to have a fucking big shoota which is also retarded. Not to mention the fact that the game is focused around infantry and vehicles and most Epic Armageddon players will tell you that titans are bad unless you play the titan legion list
>>96561532Shit like this is what keeps me in Legions Imperialis and away from Epic Armageddon, despite the core rules and the balancing of Epic Armageddon being far and away superior to LI, my autism just can't stand to see this type of shit.
>>96561514because netEA is some bullshit slapped together by people who thought Epic should be more about the infantry stands, so they copied over the rules from the previous editions and renamed them to match the models, which only came with missile launchers and only 2 to a spruebut the range has been cut and they've been given a ridiculous save over no save because the entire edition is dumb and misunderstands what the prior editions were trying to do
>>96562084You can and they did. What, you want to give them a fucking multimelta that has an effective range of fucking 5cm? Get real, shitheel, the tac squads and devastators are infantry bases in a game about tanks and war machines.
>>96561514>got so angry about people daring to like Epic Armageddon in /gwsg/ he had to make an entire thread about itPure, unfiltered autism.
>>96561514
>>96561514>midwit gets filtered by abstraction Love it.
>>96563528>retard gets filtered by Legions ImperialisLove it.
>generic heavy support weapon, needs a name>just call it a missile launcher, remember each stand represents hundreds of soldiers and even the units represent different units(like how high elf spearmen in warmaster represent all melee high elf infantry)>ADD suffering zoomers that can't picture an apple in their mind seethe that it's not as detailed as a game of individual squads facing individual squads where granularity actually kinda matters Wow!
>>96563528Imagine making them play a DBX game. A unit of Knights pursues Light Horse and is destroyed in the followup combat.>them: nooo why is this happening?!?! This is shit!>you: enjoying the pure kino of light troops laying a trap for the chevaucheeMost games no longer even prvide ground scale, show push backs or pinning or doubling up units on a flank to roll it. They are just the same game of Marvel squad combat with a different skin. At least in the older GW games there was some randomness and fun. A game doesn't have to be a perfect simulation but it should evoke some feel of the tactics of the setting and be winnable that way.
>>96564683>Legions ImperialisThis game don't realAll I know is NetEpic, 3d printer, eat hot chip and lie
>>96561514The ironing of posting an image of a model from a time when you always took Missile Launchers as your Heavy Weapon choice unless you knew you were facing AV14 in which case take a few Lascannons.
>>96564725Each stand represents 3-7 guys actually, not hundreds of soldiers.
>>96565030Each Space Marine is worth 100 regular soldiers thoughbeit
>>96565030Each stand can have 3-7 models on it, but each stand represents an abstract amount of actual combatants when it comes to infantry stands. At least, that's what I think is the case.
>>96565234>no evidence Dorn claims 10-1, as an approximation. 9-1 or 7-1 doesn't sound as good, which is why the 10-1 figure is probably used, but 7-1 seems appropriate. War isn't a video gayme, though, and circumstances and utilization matter more than pOwEr LeVeLz. Different soldiers will have different utilities, and most of soldiering isn't about direct combat.
>>96565373Imagine doubting Rogal Dorn, one of the most autistic Primarchs when it comes to numbers.
>>96562964I just want LI to be a return to Space Marine instead of being Horus Heresy horseshit. Give me back my ork speedstas and my squat land trains.
>>96565607A proper new version of Epic would be simple to do and be straightforward product to offer. But the reality is that shelf space and manufacture bottleneck are what deters GW from actually making significant new product lines. And due to them still living in abject terror of the possibility a 3rd party might make a dollar that they could have made otherwise means that it would have to be another stupidly staggered barebones release to start since we can't have rules without models. TOW only managed to skate by on that due to the technicality that all those old models existed and were being re-released again.
>>96561740Fuck that marketing ploy. They deliberately didn't sell blister packs of missile marines. The only way to get a marine missile launcher was that box or the devastator squad box. You had to buy four boxes to make a missile launcher devastator squad because a mixed heavy weapon unit, which is what the devastator squad box was anyway, was a joke.You'd go into your local GW shop and there were no prices on the blister pack models. Instead there little white label with the model name had a pricing band letter. The price list was stuck on the wall somewhere so they just had to change one piece of paper to increase the prices of all the blister packs at one go. There was one by the 40k and one by the WFB displays, surprised they didn't cut costs more and just have one by the cash register.The heavy weapons marines were $6.99 per model in 2000 which I'm just going to call 7 to save the decimals. Compare this with6: two scouts, legion of the damned melta/plasma/flamer7: sergeant, HB scout, devastator incl. lotd, standard bearer, apothecary, librarian, chaplain (vanilla, BA, SW)8: two marines incl lotd, two bolter scouts, two dark angels, two death company9: terminator stormbolter/claws/sgt./hammer + shield10: term. capt./lib./chap./hvy. flamer/ass. can.13: most named heroes (Calgar, Blackmane, Tycho, Azrael w/attendant)15: GrimnarOne day, I'm thinking of making a graph of price vs point value, unless someone else has done that in which case link please. I expect the graph is going to slope nearly upwards and will bear little relation to the amount of metal or plastic in the figure. Return on costs for a hero figure or a cyclone terminator will be different due having a more complex mould and selling fewer units than vanilla marines but I don't think that's going to account for much and it's not reflected in the simple price bands anyway.
>>96565799To play doubles advocate you could still bits order individual sprues back then. And it wasn't prohibitively expensive to do so. So if you really really wanted those MLs you could just order the small accessory sprue from the Tac kit that had those bits on it.
>>96565393The actual statement is something like "Give me 100 Astartes, or 1,000 other troops." Not even Dorn would say "Give me 100 Astartes, or 760 other troops." Probably not.
>>96561514Sigh, another threead of unimaginative tetards complaining that a game didnt have a rules they wanted and lack the drive and imagination to say "lets make up a rule ourselves". WTF is wrong with you, we used to play games where we added all the weapons the larger scale game had - Lascannons and heavy bolters for devestators, melta guns and flamers for tacticals, lightning claws, assault cannons and missile pods for Terminators, loads of stuff for Orks, Imperial Guard etc. We even used to mod the vehicles to match the larger scale vehicles that GW released at the time, like the land raider and Leman Russ with different weapons. But instead you autists scream about the rule book doesnt have all the options that another game has. It's a game of imagination designed to promote the sale of a line of models. If,the line is limited, so will the rules be. If you want more detail, FUCKING ADD IT YOURSELF. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STICK RELIGIOUSLY TO JUST WHAT THE BOOK SAYS! YOU CAN MAKE SHIT UP AND INCLUDE IT IF YOU AND YOUR OPPONENT AGREES!
>>96565799>relation to the amount of metal or plastic in the figureAlways did for Warhammer. Infinity prices the minis by the amount of metal in them, Warhammer always priced them based on the point value
>>96565030Looool
>>96565807>And it wasn't prohibitively expensive to do so.You lived in USA, Canada or UK to say that because it was very prohibitive with exchange rate and postage fees for a lot of us living away from those places. It didn't stop me getting a few older models but the trolls didn't see a lot of orders down under compared to you northern hemisphere jokers.Here's my graph. It's not as strong a correlation as I was anticipating on the blister packs but a moderate PPM of 0.7 still says a lot of that pricing is point value (though it doesn't negate that point value could still be a hidden variable like production cost, expected sales, etc.).Band E ($10) has a big spread due to terminators and a couple of characters, similar to the top band where Brother Captain Tycho is sitting there at left on the top row being high price but low point value.
>>96566121No I am in Oz, and back then it was still viable but you had to order enough to justify the shipping which is where they fucked our orders. Fuckers also tacked on GST as an international sales tax despite it not being applicable at the time. The funny part about that was you would order from the US, and the included Invoice would be from the UK, and you paid it all in AUD. Absolute clusterfuck. But yes later the prices got so jacked it wasn't worth it for anyone to order direct from GW. Which is why Maelstrom blew up and GW did everything in its power including a potentially illegal sales embargo to shut them down since people dared to get things for half price or less compared to retail. But there very much was a time when things weren't so bad.
>>96565908But it's not in the book dude it's not tournament legal dude
>>96565711Truly, everyone who furiously masturbated over Chapterhouse must have used the world supply of monkey paws as fleshlights.
>>96566597The reality is that sooner or later the Chapterhouse situation would have happened, just with a different party involved. GW fucked up bad when it came to managing their trademarks and it was always going to end up in the current hellscape we now see one way or another. The only thing the court case itself did was air GW's incompetence in public rather than them figuring out the problem behind closed doors beforehand. But there is also a factor of GW having consistently fucking up utilisation of their IPs which had that not happened could have resulted in them being less stupid when it came to their brand as a whole and being less crazy about all this leading to the rebranding and IP collapse spiral.
>>96561790>Doesn't change that it's not lore accurateAnd if your dumbass mentioned lore then your comment would matter here, but you're bitching about the RULESET, faggot.
>>96564752There's a reason 40k is more popular than DBX. It's because DBX is shit. All historical players are fags. I heard you fags don't even have tournaments! Plebs.
>>96561532Anon, Missile launcher is a missile launcher, the rest of the weapons are the generic marine profile
>>96565373>>96565393Autists are just stubborn and addicted to wikis. They've never been more correct about anything than the man on the street.>>96562964Case in point, it's just an irrational kneejerk because it's "not the right way!" like refusing to eat the apples mommy cut up for you because she didn't cube them. You think these dudes are actually intelligent?
>>96572510No one plays epic armageddon. Everyone plays legions imperialis. Why? Because it has official support. If epic armageddon was good, they would have kept supporting it. Get with the program.
>>96573625Epic armageddon not getting official support is the best thing that ever happened to it, that means GW won't rape it every few years and then ask the playerbase to pay them for it
>>9657403010th edition is the most successful wargame of all time and everyone who plays it loves it, GW doesn't "rape" rulesets because they are the best rules designers in the business. If they weren't then 40k and AoS wouldn't be the top selling games in the industry.
>>96573625Why do all (You) beggars on this board adopt the same obviously put-on tone?
>>96569824There are DBX tournaments, numbnuts. It's a tighter game for competitive play than 40k.
>>96574403Wrong, 10th edition is one of the tighest rulesets created in the industry, and there's serious talk of it becoming a table sport, like chess. Meanwhile no one has heard of DBX.
>>96574417You're literally a retarded troll (40k player).
>>96574322>10th edition is the most successful wargame of all time and everyone who plays it loves itGW ruleswriters are minimum wage cucks, who do nothing but repeat what the suits tell them to do. And what suits want, is new people to get in the game, they dont care about old people leaving before they already have every model they wanted. Warhammer is popular, because it got space marines
>>96574417>serious talk of it becoming a table sport, like chess.Only GW game ever, that has any depth, is Blood Bowl, and is the only one that has an actually interesting competetive scene with actual tactics and strategy
>>96566560the anon you are replying to is the kind of person who puts the new stuff into the books you play tournaments with
>>96574819>you forgot to say epic armageddon anon
>>96574819>Bloodbowl>CompetitiveIt's got a high skill floor but the game is way too swingy to ever become a serious table sport like Chess.
>table sport
>>96575019If its swingy, it means you are just playing bad
>>96575045What's wrong? Gonna cry? 10th edition reigns supreme, it's gonna be the forever edition and become just as well regarded as poker and chess. A true table sport.
>>96575157Now you've overplayed your hand
>>96574403What the fuck is DBX? If I ain't heard of it, that means no one at my LGS plays it, which means it's probably shit.
>>96575992You gave him a (You) regardless though.
>>96561514Epic Armageddon probably isn't even that good of a game, just heavily lifted by the setting, and how the small scale means that the wars are more accurate to the setting.But I wouldn't know because many people at my LGS haven't even heard of Epic Armageddon.
>>96582651Epic Armageddon is the only GW wargame that actually breaks out of the "top tier for a GW game" tier and into genuinely great wargame design territory.
