Any Xeno-bros here? Which 40k alien faction is your favorite?
>>96561994Eldar. But I'll talk about it in the elf containment thread.
I like Tau, they have an interesting society and aren't just a generic fantasy race in space.
>>96562010Eldar cannot be contained.
>>96561994I like the Saruthi
>>96561994Necrons and Tau are my two favorite factions. Amusingly, despite being opposite in terms of age, their schtick is pretty similar. Advanced technology, and little warp presence. Only difference is the Tau are the rapidly advancing and growing race while the Necrons already have the spot at the top but are (very) slowly decaying (they’ll still outlast the Imperium though).
>>96561994Tau are my favorite but I'm thinking about starting either an Eldar or Dark Eldar army next edition. Dark Eldar only if they do actually get a refresh. Votann are pretty boring and not even really a xenos faction, and GSC/Orks/Necrons just don't really do it for me
>>96561994I like eldar
>>96561994I like the Tau, well the early Tau back when they were this young naïve yet hopeful race than what they currently are todayBut also minor Xeno races, some more unique than others that I wish they were more expanded on but GW does nothing with them other than maybe giving them a single refence or two and nothing as a mere footnote in space marine ass stomping
https://youtu.be/lq5UetL5CAA?si=ZEvGDUFU8urKVSNmDIS THREAD NOW BELONGS TO DA ORKZ
>>96561994>Any Xeno-bros here? Which 40k alien faction is your favorite?>posts Imperium's housewives
>>96561994Dark Eldar are fun. Their self-inflicted racial suicide is a neat concept, and the fact that their reaction to being 100% certain that there's an afterlife and that they're all damned in it is to just hang onto life forever--which itself gradually turns them more and more horrifying than even their already-monstrous starting point--is a tasty combo of scary and pathetic. There's a lot of pathos in their situation. Plus the Hellraiser visuals are cool.Tau have settled into the setting nicely too. I like that their coalition-building nature gives them a built-in excuse to actually interact with other factions, particularly the Imperium. If nothing else, tau make an excellent mirror that you can hold up to humanity by comparing the experiences of conquered/defector humans and loyal ones. There's a lot of parallels between how humans treat abhumans and how tau treat their janissaries. There's good stuff in there. Also mechsuits.
genes stealers cult
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>>96561994I like most of them. Not really a fan of Tyranids and GSC because of the lack of individual personality with them.
>>96561994>Which 40k alien faction is your favorite?Whichever is getting killed by protagonists.
>>96565363>mental illness
>>96564136Orks, because I like winners. In the grim durpness there is only WAAAAAGH, after all.
I don't care for the tau nor the necrons much. Orks, eldar and Tyranids are great.
>>96561994My homebrew I made up using Wargames Atlantic's Quar and I run them as IG
>>96565416>says a fucking NPC
>>96561994Tau are coolShame they are overhated
>>96561994Nids
>>96561994I like all of the xeno factions for different reasons but my first love is Orks, they're what I started with a couple years back and I like the ramshackle nature of them and their techI bought an Eldar combat patrol and it's sitting in my pile of shame unfortunately, I'm going to paint them Iyanden though
>>96561994I like Orks because a swarm race that isn't a hivemind of bugs is basically never done anywhere ever, them also basically being hunnic hordes of the galaxy is fucking awesome and their range of having everything from dinosaurs to guns, tanks and jetfighters is nice because they have so much list variety in gameplay.>>96565586They're not overhated but they are only hated because theres a portion of insufferable taufags and people who clearly don't play the tabletop but still call themselves fans that>suck them off hard with their retarded headcanons or how they're le gundams in space (Note I watched almost every gundam series and these boxy fucking mechs are nothing like gundam designs)>post non accurate anime coomer art everywhere nonstop or their shitty fetish fanfics>theres tons of tryhard fags that like to curbstomp noobs because tau is a pretty easy army to play with and requires some thinking on how to beat their gunlines so its kind of easy as fuck to roll newer players with them or they try to scum the smallest LOS angles ingame that gets them a bad rep
>>96565602Anon, I...
>>96565672I haven't seen Gundam myself but I think the comparison is supposed to be about the speed of them maybe? My own personal reference that I'm much more familiar with is Armored Core though, which, though not design-wise, as far as speed and firepower is concerned I'd say they're in that ballpark.
>>96565672Tau are easy to play as? Have you tried using them in 10th?Anyway, big fan of Eldar and Tau. If Leagues of Votann count as xenos then I'm a big fan of them too.
>>96565704GW considers them to be but it's just because they don't fit in any other category cleanly. They're just abhumans
I live for the industrial equipment and having gods that actually show up.Lmao golden cuck chair
>>96561994I think they're neat. Only thing I don't like about them is that damn near every single faction besides the Imperium just hard counters their entire shtick
>>96565672>only hated because theres a portion of insufferable taufags>marinebaby talks about insufferable faggotryOh irony
>>96561994
>>96561994Necros>>96566279Does destiny have a wargame?
>>96562118Is being a generic sci-fi race in space somehow better?
>>96566325At least they're actually sci-fi and not stupid space fantasy pretending to be sci-fi like the rest of 40k
>>96566325Yes actually, sci fi has its archetypes but they aren't literally the exact same thing in every setting.
>>96566325The Imperium is just a Dune ripoff.
>>96561994Humies.
>>9656570410th might have shaken it up but remember some dudes have been playing this game since 1st edition and for the longest time it was easy as fuck to get lots of mileage out of Tau with little thinking especially in editions like 8th where firewarriors were one of the best units in game and they had armywide overwatch and some armies in past editions flat out had little counters to Tau gunlines unless they brought specific lists, fish of fury is a good example of this. The army having generous army wide 4+ saves for T3 models and being almost all shooting in general makes them easier to play with than something like thousand sons, grey knights, orks, admech, dark eldar, sisters, tyranids etc.>>96566250>Anyone who insults tau in any way is clearly a marine playerYeah ok fag, you'd also have to be stupid to not see that what I said is very accurate.
>>96565602>>96565677TOO POWERFUL!!!>>96565701Honestly they're Starship Troopers (Anime).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-A-cXgIm38
It's confirmed in universe that Tau technology is superior to the Imperium's
>>96570549Congratulations.
>>96570563Asspained Imperium tard detected
>>96570565I have Eldar and Orks, myself, and can't stand Marine overexposure/favoritism.That was also a dumb post. Your army in a fictional setting isn't you, it's not your team.
>>96570588Don't care fag stop talking
>>96570594Tau do have superior technology to the Imperium. And? That's not an accomplishment, it's not a victory. It's what some writers came up with 30 years ago. They could make up whatever nonsense they felt like.
>>96561994The one, true, sci-fi army in this fantasy universe.
>>96570611See, this is a good Tau post.
>>96566305No. Just people drawing comparisons between the Cabal and Votann
>>96570611It was specifically this art from the 3rd edition codex cover that sold me. My friend was trying to get me to play, so we're at the game store and he's showing me all the codexes trying to sell me on one. And there it was. Sitting in a sea of grungy, metal-album-cover-esque codexes, there was this bright piece of classic sci-fi art literally shining in the dark. Been a proud Greater Good man ever since.
>>96570655Same except for me it was the 4th edition codex
>>96570655And one last piece of classic Tau art and I'll stop bothering the thread.
>>96570699No keep posting more
>>96570655Same actually, the cover art just drew me.
>>96562118The Tau are space brettonians. They're a faction who have the ideals and culture of the era before the current one (dark age of technology), have a lot of knight equivalents (mechs which are imperial knights), and are kept that way by a seemingly positive but very suspicious force (lady of the lake / the ethereals).The only reason people don't get this is that the elemental castes were originally a lizardmen thing and the high middle ages is more mudcore and miserable than the late middle ages whereas the "dark" age of technology is more in keeping with modern values than the Imperium era.
>>96570726One more since you asked nicely. Sorry it isn't the high res version.
>>96561994Eldar, crystal targeting matrix on a fire prism gave my friends ulcers back in the day.
>>96570850>>96570699>>96570655Oils (or other physical media) are so much better than digital art. We mvst retvrn.
Eldar, but I'm eternally cursed because I only really like the Harlequins and Exodites.
>>96570926I hate digital art with a passion
>>96561994Why choose the lesser evil, when the greater evil is sitting right there?
Get off my FUCKING lawn
>>96561994To me, rapists. To me.
The Tau always bothered me because they feel like they were written by someone who hates 40k. They're a standard sci-fi faction with what I can only assume their writer thinks is an ideal society in the middle of my grimdark science-fantasy, and take every opportunity to point out how stupid everyone else is.If they were in any other setting I'd probably like them okay.
>>96572464I mean they're pretty much just orthodox space fascists. I like 'em cause they feel the most 'grounded' and relatable, they still have their grimdark elements but there's no industrial-size baby furnaces, instead their authoritarianism is more subtle and tends to be more for...well, the Greater Good.
>one of the coolest recent model ranges>bombs because 40k players are tasteless marine-junkies
>>9657252540k players:- hate infantry- hate infantry that isn't wearing sooper-elite heavy armor with giant weapons- think having a lower model count than your opponent constitutes a victory>I'm an elite kinda person, I deserve an elite-type army
>>96563275>>96565586>>96572486I wonder how the Tau would react if a human genuinely started to mimic their facial expressions and mannerism instead.
>>96572464I think the point is that the Tau are still in their "golden age" and haven't ruined themselves yet the way the Humans, Necrons, and Eldar have.
>>96573227So are The Orcs to be fair
>>96565586>>96565701>>96570611>>96570655>>96570691>>96570699>>96570850>>96572486>>96572525Shut up commie
>>96561994>>96562168>>96562691>>96571349Shut up faggot
>>96564136>>96565531Shut up nigger
Eldar of all sorts and Orks are absolutely awesome. Genestealer cults have an amazing athmosphere around them, the mix of genuine fight against oppressors and the horror that comes after is beautiful. Nids are somewhat NPC-ish, due to lack of personality but man, do I love their model range. A properly painted nid army is a feast for the eyes. Necrons are over-hyped crap with hecking Marvel characters. A faction ruined by brainless retards who think that having metal superherous directly ripped from cape-shit is cool. Still, there is some potential. Tau - unneeded ugly faction with a horrible coomer fanbase. Don't fit in the universe, never should have been introduced. Votann - when you squat, you make feces. Same thing happened here. Somehow manage to have even less personality than Tau and be even more ugly.
>>96573312Hi bot.
>>96573315Hi leftard
Dark Eldar are cool in lore and aesthetics and are a lot more fun as antagonists than normal Eldar because their misplaced arrogance is played as an actual facadeThat and they really get people riled up and tilted for like no reason.
>>96573365Shut up faggot
>>96573329Why is this faggot* equating politics with fictional armies of toy soldiers?*not an empty insult. if you like 40k Marines, the odds are VERY HIGH that you are a closet homosexual obsessed with man-beef. If you own any Primaris, odds are you're also a troon.
I love tau but i would never ever never lust after Tau females.I just love Mecha and the fact that they let people defect and live as second sort citizen.It also doesnt fuck with thr grimdarkness of the setting because they're such a small faction
>>96573503I've always found that such a tired old take that it messes with the grimdark or something, like they aren't based off of the highly euphemistic UN three-letter peacekeeping operations and Huxleyian dystopia.... Which is plenty grimdark; it's merely beneath a veneer of noblebright, which to me is plenty refreshing enough for it to work and make them interesting as a new faction. Then you've the imperial japanese and mecha flavour in there which is also great. Tau hate is gay and the product of faggots like this >>96573460 being unable to grasp nuance. 3rd edition is still my favourite ed for overall aesthetics though.
>>96573503Shut up commie
>>96573460Tilted
>>96561994I like pretty much every Xenos TT faction, but my favourite aliens have to be the Slaugth. Being in a TTRPG instead of the wargame lets them function completely differently from basically any of the main aliens (they're largely nonmilitaristic subversives) in a way that also fits into the setting perfectly.
>>96561994I have always been a Necronfag whose starting point was reading the Necron 7th edition codex crushed into the wiki and then deciding they're the guys I'm gonna collect. I view all other factions from the perspective of the Necrons, as I assume most 40k fans view other factions from the perspective of the Imperium. I'm happy they got some new lore, tho IMO the new lore is kinda faggier. I love the whole Bronze antiquity vibe they bring, even if Egypt is my least favorite Bronze antiquity civilization and I prefer flavoring my guys more as space Sumerians/Assyrians.>>96562629My headcanon is that Tau are genetically modified Necrontyr that were given a new lease on forming a civilization by either some unhinged Overlord/Phaeron, some Eldar who thought it'd be funny or even an Old One with a sense of remorse and racial self-hatred. Wish Tau robots looked less like ass and more like the Mobile Suits everyone compares them (erroneously) to.
>>96573659I know they're supposed to be intimidating but the little mincing poses on the marines look so funny to me.
>>96573931what does mincing pose mean, google gives me nothing, my first thought was of bodybuilders squeezing their palms together though, those legs always looked so weird to me in old art too, like they're too simple in design to bend correctly
>>96570655>>96570699>Dull orange on ochre blue skyWhy does this color scheme work so extremely well? Why did GW ditch T'au sept in favour of those shitty ambulance looking Vior'la?
>>96561994Eldar, but I play Necron.
>>96565572>you're an NPC if you aren't the most dumbshit 40kid imaginableWeird cope.
>>96573270Pew pew, you're dead! *Swooshes away*
>>96572525What do you mean bombs? They're the army's best detachment right now they're very popular. Anyway, I would imagine most people are drawn to the tau for their mechs, not their goofy looking auxilaries
I've always rather liked the Tau vibe of being the 'New kid on the Bloc'. That and them quickly realizing the Galaxy is a shit-hole, but instead of curbing their enthusiam and staying in their galactic corner, they have doubled down and made a concerted effort to punch above their wightclass with no fucks given.Combine that with the 70-80s Syd Mead styling makes them interesting.
>>96574340"Punch above their weight class"They're more technologically advanced than the crumbling Imperium
>>96573312>>96573279Have you said "Thank you," once this entire thread?
>>96574354Accurate, but the IoM is still an 800lb gorrilla on the galactic stage, lead by an 800lb Gorillaman with powerfists.
>>96574376Thanks Yvraine for fucking up everything
>>96574391Forgot my pic.
>>96574282Pew pew you are dronestriked as terrorist
While it's on my mind, has Robot Gorillaman addressed the existence of the Tau in any capacity?
>>96574340Peaks of the imperium are necron-tuer for the Tau in ocmparison.Its just that the Imperium also is a dying one so their mass of brass will carry antiquated shitheaps to battle. Anyone of any importance will have a dark ages of technology doohickey on them that Tau would murder for. Meanwhile Tau are just well equipped on the whole but their peaks are nowhere near the Imperium's
>>96574476True, the Tau have to be clever in how and where they fight the Imperium. I always liked how much of a Mind-fuck culture shock it was when they had to fight Titans for the first time. The insistence that something of that scale isnt possible just because they hadn't seen them yes.Then the pragmatic approach of using Manta's to engage them since they had no other decent options yet(and still don't)
>>96574430Have they done anything to make the Imperium turn their attention to them? The current flavor of the month is a Tyranid invasion currently correct?
>>96574476With all due respect, eat shit. One-off DAoT relics don't count.The T'au peak far exceeds what the Imperium can produce. Even some DAoT technology is inferior to what the T'au currently has. The fluff itself says that the Tau are technologically superior to the Imperium.
>>96574430Yes, in the Dark Imperium series, he mentions the Tau among the threats the new guardians of Ultramar must guard against
>>96574340>>96574354>>96574476>>96574575I'm reinstalling dawn of war right now just so I can use the vindicare assassin to blow the brains out of the ethereal on the Tau hq mission as a cleansing reset after this unmerited tau-glazing
>>96574592Farsight is conquering Imperium worlds
>>96574428I am having a hard time understanding how someone can be so mentally buck broken that they make spastic posts like this. Seek psychiatric help.
>>96574604The Greater Good does not approve this action...
>>96574627He isn't. The most recent quote from him has him stating that he isn't interested in conquest but in protecting his people.The closest thing to the T'au taking over a human world was them forcing an Imperial world into a defensive pact.
>>96574575The Tau now have stormsurge battlesuits for taking on Titans
>>96574600Aun'Va was really belligerant toward the Imperium during the 3rd sphere expansion. Even with him dead it seems the Etheral Council(Politburo) is staying that course at a smaller more cautious scale.
>>96574020>ochre blue skyblue ochre isn't real, i don't care what fart-sniffing pigment shills try to astroturf. ochre is ochre, teal is teal.
>>96574575>I always liked how much of a Mind-fuck culture shock it was when they had to fight Titans for the first time. The insistence that something of that scale isnt possible just because they hadn't seen them yes.The Tau fought gargants before meeting the Imperium.The Stormsurge (the anti-titan suit) prototypes were in development before the Damocles Crusade. Cato and Numitor encounter and fight a Stormsurge prototype during the Damocles Crusade.The average Joe Tau might have been shaken by the titans, but high command wasn't shocked at all.
>>96574647Sounds like more ethereals need to get spook'd
>>96574647>Aun'Va was really belligerant toward the Imperium during the 3rd sphere expansion. Even with him dead it seems the Etheral Council(Politburo) is staying that course at a smaller more cautious scale.You might want to read up on the lore. The 5th sphere is neither smaller nor cautious. Moreover, the Tau are planning to launch the 6th sphere to run concurrently with the 5th. That's an unprecedented acceleration of their conquest. The 5th sphere is exploiting the crippled state of the Imperium in the north to bite off a chunk of Imperial space
>>96573987Imagine the most stereotypically gay posturing, all bent knees and weird stances. I know it's not the point but the poses just look so fabulous there. Probably used models as reference
>>96574662He means ochre against a blue sky you fucking retard
>>96574644Ah, I thought they were a Knight equivalent.
>>96573279Rude!
>>96574689Yes, but also no.Stormsurges are designed to take on both knights and titans. For knights, they just straight up beat them in a 1 vs 1. For Titans, they have this experimental weapon where 5 or so of them will combine their attack into essentially one giant laser and blast a hole into the Titan.So they can take on titans, but they do it in teams.
>>96574689Their first lore entry says that they achieved great results in tearing apart Imperial titans.
>>96574696A single Stormsurge is capable of taking down a titan.The combined attack was an experimental move used on a particularly durable and large gargant.
>>96574705Ah, fair enough.Still, it does embody the Tau spirit I think.Yes, they’re using a giant robot, but they using it when the enemy was smart enough to start putting a lot of AA around their titans, and they still go for a pretty pragmatic approach (why make a Titan-sized mech when a knight-sized mech can mount Titan killing weapons?)Even their Tau’nar supremacy armor which is as big as a Scout Titan is essentially just a big mobile artillery platform they move around as part of defensive garrisons. It’s an artillery turret with legs.
>>96574680Didn't the Nem'yar Atoll campaign basically bog down when the Death Guard showed up though?
>>96574728They won once the really fucking stupid tau warp god showed upGod Phil Kelly should not be allowed anywhere near tau anymore
>>96574728No? Not at all. Haven't you read anything at all about the Tau in the past 5 years?The 5th Sphere expansion continued apace after the Death Guard were defeated. They conquered at least five Imperial systems including a major cardinal world.
>>96574740Lol, yeah there is that....
>>96574688i don't know if you are familiar with the English language but in that case we would say>ochre and blue skyor>ochre-on-blue skyto communicate the idea clearly
>>96574782Shut up fag no one cares
>>96574750Yes, actually and it seems tenuous hold at best outside the worlds the 4th sphere colonized, what with the Orc Waagh and the Genestealers stirring shit as they fight the Imperium.Such is 40k's forever status quo.
I'm dwarfed up!
>>96574927As much as I wish they were still bikers, those are nice. That said, I'm a knife-ear fan. Worse they are the better.
>>96567024I've always said Tau are the 40k race for people who don't actually like 40k. Thanks for confirming it.
>>96561994Deldar are the coolest but James hates them so there is barely anything to like about them. Genestealers with a side of Tyranids are cool too.
>>96574988And I've always said you're a little sissy bitch
I find every Xenos faction (except Votann but who cares about them) far more interesting than the Imperium.I hate life.
>>96574988So the Imperial Guard isn’t 40k either?
>>96561994OrksRowdy, mean, green. What's not to love?Honestly though, I enjoy every xeno faction except Votann.
>>9657498840keks is the result of GW smashing bits and pieces from every 50-60's sci-fi franchise ever and medling it the beloved monstrosity it is today.There is room enough for Tau weebery as there is for wacky pseudo-egyptian meme robots.
>>96561994Eldar and their sinister siblings and the clowns I love them too death
>>96561994Also DEldar, Clowns, Corsairs, and that other type of Eldar I always forget Necrons get a close second though
Greater Goods!
Tau need to be completely cleansed from the galaxy. Unironically.
>>96575493
Is there a minor alien race I can read into?
>>96575519The T'au will be erased from the galaxy by mixing their genes with mankind's! Surely this plan has no downsides.
>>96575618"Very well, I await this 'Battle Sister' you have prmoised me for the breeding program."
>>96575717Considering the size difference between the blueberries and mankind, boy better hope his hips don't shatter.
I like them all, but I collect Tau and Craftworlds, getting some Corsairs soon and fingers crossed for the Exodite rumours to materialise. Ork looting is super cool but isn't represented in rules anymore (?), Drukhari need more monsters for me to get into and Votann I'm not very keen on yet. I have some 3rd edition Necrons from my childhood when I first dipped my toe into the hobby too and might collect them again. Are full Canoptek armies possibly yet?
>>96574723>>96574705Reminds me of Dark Eldar titan hunters
>>96575527The ones from the old FFG RPGs seem to be the most popular with anons who are into that sort of thing>>96575046I think the IG started out as a way to lure historical war gamers into playing 40k by implying they could use some of their existing models as basic troopers while buying a few new ones for things like tanks and commissars, back in the old days when GW didn't have market dominance and couldn't take as hard a stance on using proxy models.It is probably why early lore for them focused so much on mixed regiments, particularly mixing tank formations from one world with infantry from another.>>96575247It is true that 40k copies ideas from everywhere, but the heavy use of grimderp and anachronisms gives the setting at least a bit of a coherent feel, while the Tau still seem like a bit of an outlier, and thus the faction of choice for people who would rather be playing something else but can't find a group for anything but 40k. Pretty much the only time the Tau are interesting is when they get contrasted against the more extreme 40k factions. Instead of trying to make them more grimderp, GW should just go all out in the other direction and make them a meme-y group of Star Trek tier idealists whose efforts to interact with other factions with the power of science or diplomacy usually backfire
>>96561994People who may have discovered the holy land of "almost enough dakka" - Indaar. Giant (growing up to tank size) trilobite like aliens living on the edge of the galaxy and answering to all incursions by deploying fleets where each ship packs more guns than multiple Imperial battleships. They don't seem to be engaged in kind of warp or even materium evil schemes, just live in their corner of the galaxy and periodically pull out the beat sticks to deal with everyone else trying to bring the general insanity into their lands.And honorable mention goes to Hrud - motherfucking time traveling, entropy huffing, "speed force" mainlining cockroaches that they are.
>>96574808Not really. The Tau consolidated their hold on those systems. They are full-fledged septs.
>>96580283So a barely habitable mining outpost is considered a full sept now. That's kinda dumb.
>>96574750Cardinal world is still contested as are most of the 'conquered' planets. Most the Chalnath Expanse is up in the air. Also the Lion has arrived. Good luck blue berries.
>>96572525The new kroot carnivores are shit, the old one was better. The rest is cool tho.
>>96561994Eldar, because I'm a sucker for elves, even if they're tough to love.Though frankly I'm for the version of the Imperium that enslaves almost everyone enslavable instead of outright purging.Orks are roight gud fun tho. Best race overall.
>>96565586Tau are not hated enough though.
>>96561994Necrons are just super cool in every way
>>96570655*Greaser Good
>>96580768A sept either means a system or a swathe of space containing multiple systems.You need to learn basic Tau lore.
>>96580776It's not. Astrowhatever is described as being fully pacified in the 9th and 10th ed dexes.You seem to either be making stuff up or pulling it from outdated wiki pages.What the Tau consolidated and what is being contested is not a giant mystery that you need to look hard to get info about.
>>96581763>>96581775Being a lorefag is all you have and it shows.
>>96573284Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being the best
One thing I like about the Tau is they actually do build things.The Imperium is a million worlds large, but they're a primitive feudal society that is burdened under the weight of their own bureaucracy and infighting, and often struggles to scrape together the meager resources that their worlds can produce. They're massive yes, but their entire civilization is essentially built on trauma responses to past incidents, so they struggle to actually achieve anything other than holding on to what they have left.The Eldar and DEldar are likewise another dying race. They have some very impressive Craftworlds and Commorough, but they're unlikely to be building more in the future.The Orks really aren't into the whole 'infrastructure' thing. The Tyranids don't build, just consume. The Necrons can technically build things and probably are restoring functionality to stuff as they awaken, but they'll never grown their manpower so their capacity to build and man that infrastructure is inherently limited.The Tau alone colonize a planet, settle people on it, and then actually use that planet to its fullest potential, building space stations and ecumenopoli and other megastructures, turning it into a fully fledged and automated world that produces a shit ton of equipment and extracts resources but without turning the world into a shitty hive world. The Tau are, essentially, playing 'tall' to the Imperium's 'wide' if this was a 4X game. Their systems are very well developed and very productive and population dense. Someone did the math one time, and the estimates for how many battlesuits the Tau have are in the hundreds of millions at minimum. And each battlesuit is worth at least one Space Marine in battle (usually worth about 3 Space Marines). People will say it's bullshit, but that's just how things work when you have an efficiently ran space empire expanding its industry instead of some shitty feudal post-apocalyptic warlord state.
>>96582136>The Eldar and DEldar are likewise another dying race. They have some very impressive Craftworlds and Commorough, but they're unlikely to be building more in the future.Deldar aren't really dying. They are just assholes. And Haemonculi are the biggest assholes of them all. They don't really have a population or building problem, what they have is an assholism problem where they outright refuse to explore different options of going forward instead of continuing their drugs, murder, sex and rock'n'roll routine ad infinitum.
>>96582136>The Orks really aren't into the whole 'infrastructure' thing.They absolutely do, it's just rambunctious and ramshackle. There are ork empires out there, they don't all go on mobile WAAAAGHs all the time.
>>96582178Oh, don't they? I was under the Impression that when the Orks leave a planet they tend to leave 'feral' orks behind instead of a proper (if ramshackle) civilization.If that is the case, then what is the deal with feral orks, and when do they appear instead of normal orks? Do they only pop up when the Orks fail to take a planet but still spread their spores?
>>96582178It ain't the Orks making that infrastructure. It's grots all the way down. Maybe they have a weirdboy to write up the "blue prints" but otherwise it's slave labor all the way down.Those orkish empires are just arguing over who's the biggest at the moment. Once they figure out who the boss is, they are going to pick up and go out on a WAAAAGH because fighting other boyz is fun, but not as fun as fighting other races.
>>96582136>Someone did the mathProving neither they nor you have any clue about it all.
>>96582241Either way the amount of Battlelsuits certainly far outnumbers Space Marines. There's about a million or so Space Marines as a soft estimate from their own codex. But Battlesuits work differently. They don't make 'chapters' of battlesuits, they integrate them into their cadres. There are cadres that are almost entirely battlesuits, but even cadres that are mostly conventional forces will still have some battlesuits sprinkled in.To understand how massive this is, imagine if not only every Imperial Guard regiment came with a dozen Space Marines, but even the PDF regiments had a dozen Space Marines sprinkled in as well. And this is on top of their Fire Warriors already being a much higher quality grade than Imperial Guard.Fundamentally this is why the Imperium struggles the most with the Tau and why they can't wipe them out. It's much less to do with not being able to be bothered with it and more to do with the high density of high quality troops the Tau have. The Imperium has lots of chaff they can throw at the Tau but they lack enough high-quality soldiers to make a difference.
why is there no chaos xeno faction? the dark eldar specifically not being chaos almost makes it clear that GW wants to keep chaos and xenos separate
NO XENOS ALLOWED
>>96582387But youz da xenos, beakie boy
>>96582192>If that is the case, then what is the deal with feral orks, and when do they appear instead of normal orks?Feral orks might exist in the fringes of an ork world, but they mainly crop up on planets where orks got wiped out so the new yoofs don't have a tribe to adopt them into and go feral as a result.>>96582203Grots do it at the behest of orks, therefore orks made it. Plus there's tons of stuff that a mekboy wouldn't trust grots with, like his karnival kontraptions
>>96582437I see.Tbh, I've always thought that a Shadow of Mordor type game where you play as an Ork in 40k and move your way up the ranks by beating up and establishinig your Orkish superiority would sound fun as hell.
>>96582322>trying to apply numbers to this dumb settingYou're a lost cause if you think any of that matters. I like the Tau more than most people, but GW has never been anything but worthless at trying to describe scale. These are the goobers who try to describe world shattering campaigns as having less forces involved and less casualties than singular WWI and WWII battles. The same people gave the baneblade armor that gets beaten by WWII AT guns.Yeah, sure, by any sort of logic the Tau have 3 billion battlesuits. Some writer is still going to put in a codex fluff piece about how they committed a "massive force" of 20 of them to some planet-wide warzone and act like it's impressive.
>>96582807Okay fair, but it's not about the specific numbers per se, more the 'vibes'.
