Okay, I'm done. I'm done with DnD. Discord retards broke me. But I still want my fix of the knight and elf game. What other, presumably better systems do you guys use for the vaguely medieval fantasy games?Hard mode: No GURPS. I love it but my players are paste eaters. Which would make them perfect GURPS players of course but it also means they don't wanna even try.
I personally just use older editions of D&D. I use OSE for dungeon crawling and 3.5 for "5e but better"
Fuck the fuck off, frogspammer.
>>96589422I find 3.5 to be too cumbersome at higher levels. And my happy bunch of retards are the kind to abuse the rocket tag and power gaming. I like it myself but I have to give it a rest. OSR games are not for me, sadly. I've been to poisoned with the character builds mentality.
>>96589490>I find 3.5 to be too cumbersome at higher levelsI have actually never gotten above level 11 or so, so it works fine for me.
>>96589500Oh, I like it as well! 3.5 can be awesome. Just curious about what other system anons are using for the fantasy game.
>>96589415Play PF2e. It's just DnD, but since it's not called dungeons and dragons fifth edition two thousand twenty four, the discord theater kids will refuse to touch it.
>>96589415How rules light
>>96589567I wish you were right. I would love for you to be right. The secret is, pf2e is my DnD and has been for few years now. And it's a fun system. But after all that time it's too rigid. And theatre kiddies love it because they get to be unique with it.
>>96589415I am a fan of Earthdawn. The setting boils down to this. Ambient Magic Levels got too high which allowed horrible monsters from beyond to manifest in the corporeal realm. Fortunately everyone had enough warning and built magical bunkers to ride out the High Magic period. Eventually magic levels stabilized just above the levels that some of the horrible monsters could manifest in. People got impatient and opened their bunkers and began exploring a new world. Traditional Dungeon Crawling works as some of the bunkers got breached by the horrible monsters and became their lairs. There's an evil empire lurking in the distance that views the default setting as an errant province. It also has the best magic item system in a game I have ever seen, no longer to characters pitch that +1 sword when they get a +2 one, their magic items can grow with them and their deeds might even alter the items powers for future wielders. It also has connections to Shadowrun, but they really don't matter beyond Easter Eggs.
>>96589415ACKS 2
>>96589415Shadow the Weird Wizard is good. Braindead easy-to-run with a metric fuckton of options for character customization.
>>96589570Doesn't have to be rules light tbph. Just not a d20 derivative. Actually, it can be rules light if there is one you really like.
>>96589592Does it have Poo Poo Magic like its sister game?
>>96589587I've heard good things. How crunchy is it? Does it lend itself to playing in different settings?>>96589590Not that much into OSR. And from what I've heard ACKS is not even that good of na OSR game. >>96589592It's the less edgy Shadow of a Demon Lord, right? That thing got me WH2e RP whiplash but the system itself looked tempting.
>>96589604Nope. Forbidden magic's been replaced with Eldritch magic, which is more void oriented.>>96589613Yeah, it's a lot less edgy. They're technically the same setting but different dimensions with little overlap.
>>96589629Gonna give it a try, thanks. How good is the VTT support for it?
>>96589652I don't use Foundry but I've heard support for it's extremely extensive.
>>96589415do a no magic gameand i mean no magic no weaseling out of it with witcher stuff eitherlet it refresh their expectations let them pull off crazy schemes that alter the world but not the ground rulesas in no inventing gunpowder but they can go to china, learn about it, and bring it backinvention is a lot of workask them if they genuinly want to put that inbecause while you should be able to try anything they are here to experience a setting so why change it just because or hell put guns inrun a bandito game during westward expansiontheres all kinds of cool stuff you could do the point is give them a pallet cleanserthen slowly build back up so the fantastical feels fantastical first with monstersthen spirits/godsthen new campaign with folk magicthen a learn for ancient forbidden grimoires that each can be used by a mortal to cast a spell
>>96589684All of that sounds fun anon but I have no issue with the settings. I ain't tired with the dragons or dungeons. I'm tired of d20 system games. Stil, thanks anon.
>>96589727k
>>96589746Cry about it, fagg
>>96589751Oh no, some rando on the mongolian throat singing site does not wane me in their special ACKS 2 club?
>>96589727Acks is shit and the people who play it are worse.
>>96589415Shadow of the Weird Wizard is okay, but my personal favorite is Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4e. Elves are good, knights are strong, and the system is built around going zero to hero.
>>96589788>no-games fag doesn't want me in their community Oh no!
>>96589812How is it on the mechanical side? I can't stand the Old World, been scarred by the WFRP 2e but if it has some good bones I can work with this! Is it still %roll with not even a semblance of balance like 2e was?
>>96589813I've literally posted campaigns here. How many have you ran and posted to /tg/?
>>96589415AD&D 1e
>ACKShillAbandon thread.
>>96589823Multiple.You are not special nor is your game.
Its so sad how acks2 fag thinks anyone gives a fuck about his OSR. Cant wait for our other pal the anti anti fish fag deleted posts counter to round out this shit thread. Fuck you Mods you purposefully let this shit happen.
>>96589415Worlds Without Number, it's like what D&D could've been if they killed the sacred cows.
>>96589828That's stil DnD.
>>96589840How does it differentiate itself? I've heard about Without Numbers things and people I've talk to seemed to be very into it.
>>96589832Zero. You've posted zero. You can go read about an ACKS campaign in the /osrg/ thread if you doubt my claims, but you've posted none and have none because you're a nogames whining in a thread about how you have no games.>>96589830>Everyone is duh same anonPathetic drivel, same as always.>>965898382000 people did in the last kickstarter. Oooh, that's gonna make you seethe isn't it fishy?
>>96589846Worlds WIthout Numbers is rules lite OSRshit from a failed developer. It expects even more work from the DM than 5E does. Don't bother.
>>96589567Don't do this. You lose the discord theater kids but you gain the reddit fake grog wannabe product worshipping cultists which are even worse.
>>96589857I am literally whining about having too many games and being tired of the d20 systems you giga nigga faggot. I don't care about your osr shit, go back to snorting your own farts in your general.>>96589868I don't mind work and I've left 5e some time ago. OSR does not interest me much because I find people who get excited about it be pretentious no games. I've never stopped playing AD&D1e so old sensibilities and system kinks don't really scare me away.
>>96589879For what it's worth I find PF2E players to be noticeably less shit than 5e. Anecdotal evidence and what not.
>>96589888>I am literally whining about having too many gamesLmao no you aren't.>I-I'm tired of d20He says, begging for more d20 games. Thank god you don't play my game because you'd drop the average IQ of its players into the negatives.
>>96589838Can always just fast forward things by linking this thread from just yesterday where the acksfag got violently raped simply by showing how terrible his game really is. >>96569835It looks like having his head inserted into his anus means he's gonna be butthurt for a while.
>>96589902I literally asking for none d20 games you subhuman shit. I doubt the average IQ of your table was ever above negative given you are a part of it. Faggot.
>>96589907>Y-you were raped!t. the small dog AKA FishfagI raped you in that thread because you kept trying to claim the game was fundamentally broken, and all you did was whine that pillaging doesn't let you collect taxes. That's it. You lost that argument so fucking hard you're still seething about it like the malicious cunt you are.
>>96589924Show me where in the OP you said "no d20 games". You can't because you never did you lying cock smoker. Kill yourself.
>>96589931At no point did I specify that I wanted d2 games so how the fuck am I begging for them? You're retarded-desu. End yourself.
>>96589957So you didn't say no d20 games anywhere, got it, now kill yourself and stop whining that good games got recommended to you faggot. If you don't like it pick something else instead of gracing this board with your tears.
>>96589974Anon I know that people not being into your special interest makes you big sad and turns your eyes into lakes but maybe next time shut the fuck up and wait for your tard wrangler to take care of you? At a glance ACKS looks like inferior retro clone. Now pleas remove yourself from the genepool.
>>96589415I've been using Sword of Cepheus for fantasy for a while now. It's based on Traveller.https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/493396/the-sword-of-cepheus-2nd-editionI can say that RuneQuest is very good as well. RuneQuest has the benefit of having a pretty good fanbase as well.
>>96589991Hey look more tears, still crying that you've got no games huh faggot?
>>96589415Palladium Fantasy
>>96590006Oh shit, fantasy alternative to Traveller? Sounds sick. Thanks anon.I've played RuneQuest few yoinks ago, had some fun. Chill sword and sandals vibe.
>>96590007Are you sure you aren't just drooling on your keyboard? You sound like the type. >>96590013How is it on the crunch side?
>>96589415Switching up the game but not the players will do nothing, dingus.
>>96590029The players are fine, they are dumbasses but I've trained them well. I also DM a shitload over the discord. I just got major fatigue with the d20 derivatives.
for me its 13th agegood level of character customization, combat is both quick and exciting, rules are simple enough that if someone has played anything that came out after the 90s I dont even need them to read the book, they already know how to play. the crop of TTTrpgs are pretty fun but they all try too hard to not be DnD. 13th age very much is DnD
>>96589846The -without number games are top out at lower power than 5e (or, I assume, pathfinder). The system is sort of osr, but it has skills and feats. The magic system is a lot different, in general it seems like you're going to be powerful, but very focused. I've played a little Stars and Cities, it's fun, and the books have a shitload of GM shit on building gamable worlds. The books are mostly GM facing.
>>96590028NTA but God you're mad that you have no games.
>>96590056>13th ageI try to steer away from d20 but I'll give it a look. Thanks for the idea anon!
>>96590066Damn, sounds fun and might be just the thing. Gonna give it a look. Thanks for the recommendation. Does it have deep enough character customisation to keep some 3.pf gremlins occupied?
>>96590085>Does it have deep enough character customisation to keep some 3.pf gremlins occupied?NTA, probably not. It's very streamlined and content dry compared to 3.pf, but that also makes it easy to see whether it fits your group or not I s'pose.
>>96589415Dungeon Crawl Classics (DCC). Game is very simple, very brutal, and a shitload of fun. It's also very easy to convert DnD content over for it, from basically any edition.
>>96590085My understanding of worlds isn't deep, I haven't had a chance to play it. You can make interesting combos for magic users and there are some setting specific classes in the back of the book. It isn't 3.5 deep by any means, but everyone can make a unique character.Basically, the way that it works is you get a "fear" (called a focus in the games parlance) every other level. Most foci have two levels. You also get some skill points. Skill rolls are done with 2d6 and the standard difficulty is 8,so even having a +1 is big deal.I'd say there is a lot of opportunity for loot as advancement, though.
>>96590085>Does it have deep enough character customisation to keep some 3.pf gremlins occupied?only if they're satisfied with their only class options being core 3e fighter/rogue/wizard and having an even more limited pool of feats
>>96589415Have you thought about savage worlds? There is both the fantasy companion, and Savage Pathfinder. My most build obsessed player is enjoying our Deadlands game right now, my understanding is that it hits the same way.
>>96589415Check out Fantasy Craft.
>>965894154ethe bad reputation filters out all the retards
>>96590399It also filters out all the good ones tbf
>>96589415I make what I want.
>>96589842In the mind of a deluded WOTCfag perhaps
>>96589415Consider this:You've made this thread, on this board, frogposting...... and you don't know about fucking WFRP
>>96589415>No GURPS. I love it but my players are paste eaters.Shadow of the Demon Lord or Weird Wizard.
>>96589652VTT support for both SotDL and SotWW are quite good. We've got a thread here for the moment if you want to ask questions from people that'll be able to answer more readily.
>>96589613I'd put Earthdawn at upper medium crunch. It is VERY bound to its setting, mostly from a metaphysics standpoint. It goes into depth on how magic works and how it interplays with Disciplines (the system's classes all of which are explicitly magical, even the "martials"), magic items, and so on. The metaplot can be ignored beyond the initial set-up, and like most games with a metaplot it should be ignored beyond mining for ideas.
>>96590028Palladium Fantasy is just Kevin Siembeida's AD&D 1e house rules and is mediocre at best. If you are going to play a Palladium game get TMNT and Other Strangeness, it is the best his company has ever produced.
>>96590399It filters out people who aren't contrarian faggots like yourself.
>>96589490>I've been to poisoned with the character builds mentality.You can break the programming, Anon. I believe in you.
>>96590028>How is it on the crunch side?Barely functional at all. Palladium published one good game in their entire history and it was the TMNT game another guy wrote for them. Even that one is still a janky pile of shit, though.
>>96589415Warrior, Rogue, & Mage.
>>96589927The only thing you rape is a box donuts before you eat them.
>>96589490what's wrong with making good decisions?
>>96589652Like this anon >>96590936 said, the VTT support is extensive and most of the big source books have been turned into compendias you can use in Foundry. Me personally I literally just finished a session of SotDL in a forest dungeon against some wolves and orc bandits. Right now they're resting.I'd say don't get scared by the poo poo magic too much, you can very easily ignore it since it's just one thing amongst many. The main difference between the two games is that Weird Wizard is intentionally running at a much higher power level while Demon Lord is more grounded, even so far as having a level 0 before you actually get a class
>>96589652>>96591672Also to note. The game very well could scratch the build autism of your players depending on which supplements you decide to use. There's a few with particularly powerful Paths (the classes). This is in reference to SotDL of course.
>>96591164>consensus said thing is bad so consensus is right and im not going to try thing to find out if criticisms of it are valid instead of the result of seething 3groids mad that it wasn't just 3.5e version 2I think I've maybe seen one or two actual criticisms of 4e that aren't completely retarded with no grounding in reality
>>96589613>And from what I've heard ACKS is not even that good of na OSR game.*According to /osrg/, which honestly should be moved to /vg/ to lump it with the other general threads infested by trannies and incels bickering with each other and shitting in their own corners.ACKS fits OSR really well, but the reason /osrg/ hates it is because it plays the most like 2e with lots of character options and a really robust city builder including how to emulate economy. 1e OSR is meant for hack & slash dungeon crawling. 2e/ACKS is meant for long-haul campaigns where you write an epic fantasy together.
