Forgotten Realms and ALL its derivatives have made extreme damage to the fantasy and rpg genre and I'm tired of pretending it DIDN'T
>>96591100Nobody would deny you, but don’t you think FR has suffered for it? Look at what’s happened to the setting since the 90s.
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>>96591100Elaborate.I haven't been part of the TTRPG scene for long enough to witness it happening, so I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth.
>>96591100M'kay, YT-farmer.
>>96591100Why would you pretend to believe something you don't you coward?
>>96591100Exandria is worse by 100x
>>96591123It's the tacit default setting.That means that while every single adition is assumed to always had been a thing there, they never made official material to explain why or how. Most of the worst modules are set there, but since it's not officially there they had no editorial staff to make things consistent and logical. By far the worst issue is the bloat of character options, because now that thri-keen are a playable race with no canon context they have to always had been in Faerun, next to frankensteins and 20 types of elves and chronomancers that are somehow coexisting without any effect or society or context of any kind.
>>96591192Show me where in the Forgotten Realms the thri-keen are.
>>96591100Dragonlance, actually. But really you should be blaming Dungeons and Dragons in general.
>>96591173Exandria is Forgotten Realms: Seattle.
>>96591192>It's the tacit default setting.Depending on the edition. Though, its influence is sometimes still present, due to its long-standing history.
>>96591100Blame Hasbro. It's always been Hasbro's fault and always will be Hasbro's fault.Anything you don't like about tabletop gaming can be traced to them buying into another companies business and running it into the ground.
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>>96591319I just told you that there's no setting book explaining it. But they have to be there because 70% of the modules are there and players will use the options sold to them.>>96591345Evrything I said was exclusively about 5e
>>96591100Its a fine setting on its own, but Baldur's Gate (every time a game released) and the subsequent increases in attention are detrimental to it as that popularity finally made it rise to the default setting during 5e and so it had to stuffer the brut of every decision.But that's not FR's fault, if Greyhawk remained the default as it was between the start of the game and 3e or Nethyr Vale stuck around as default after 4e you would be having this exact same thread with those two in its place. And if a thread like this gets made again in a future where they jump settings then the same thing will happen again.
>>96591695Greyhawk is supposedly the current default setting.
>>96591489People bitch and complain about snowflakes, but current d&d is a game about being high fantasy protagonists, so a plane shifted giant bug person is perfectly fine as a high fantasy protagonist.
>>96591761yeah, it's completely normal. And at the same time it doesn't affect anything. It's all meaningless.
>>96591786I honestly don't understand what you're complaint is. Surely that's up to each individual table?
>>96591695FR felt like the default for all of 5e. The starter set's module used it and I saw it shilled all over the internet and even by patrons at my LFGS.
>>96591790That it's slop with no particular identity.There are people making gourmet dishes with spam, oviously a DM can do something good with it. But the product itself has no identity or selling point, it's just there sustained because it's a popular IP.
>>96591100This setting was fine before WotC decided to push it as the default setting. They made Eberron for this purpose and tossed it aside in order to ruin Forgotten Realms and that in turn results in butt-hurt posts like OP when nu-realms starts to show up everywhere else.Blame lies with your pick of WotC, Hasbro or the MCU for influencing all media into cartoony shit.
>>96591192The thri-keen have been in FR since at least 3e, maybe as far back as 2e, in the Shaar region alongside wemics, centaurs and all the other near-furry races.
>>96591319 It's an imaginary made up world dipshit, not a real place, so the DM can place them wherever the fuck they want them to be. I know RPGers have a rep for mixing up reality with fiction, but the way you tossers keep acting as if some crap made up and published by multiple authors and IP owners over a forty year timeline is actual historical documents is baffling. IT'S NOT REAL.
>>96591862The thri keen existed in Dark Sun, to make them fit in whatever they took away the psyonic aspects, the culture and the context where they appeared. Now it's just a random toy in the box you have to make up something about. Like a Hulk Hogan toy separated from his mannerisms, his fights, his arcs, just a balding blond muscle dude.
>>96591881it's not about reality, it's about reducing things to a stat block and telling you it's the same thing. No theming, no lore, nothing too special. Just the husk of something that made sense 30 years ago.And sure, you can make it your own. But at that point make your own stuff wholesale, don't defend the empty shell as if it had any value when all of it it's comming from you. If you like thri keens in 5e what you like is what you or your DM made, not Forgotten Realms and D&D.
>>96591814Because it was until last year, but that's my point, there is nothing wrong with The Forgotten Realms in of itself.In its base form its just another D&D setting with an indented focus on small scale RP heavy adventures, Mercantile Exploits, Monster Ecology, and 60s era Free Love Indulgence. But because a bunch of games and books that were popular and took place in the setting, Wizards in a Hail Mary made it the default setting for 5e and in doing so forced it to shoulder the brunt of 5e's decisions and adventures.Its kind of like how in TV shows you have your generic everyman protagonist where because he exists as a audience friendly baseline meant to represent the intentions of the show, the more unique and interesting characters get to exist around him. In turn the everyman is rarely the favorite but he serves his purpose. Except they decided for a few seasons to make the weird hippie character the MC and in the process sanded down the interesting edges to make him fit the MC role and as a consequence the hippie inherited all the issues with the writers intentions for the show.
>>96591971I do definitely agree, I was just being a bit of a pedantic asshole by pointing out that BG3 had nothing to do with it.
>>96591984I get youWith the BG point I was mainly talking about how BG 1&2 pushed the setting over from 'well regarded D&D setting" to "The Favorite" for a bunch of people and because ti was "The Favorite" it became the easy target for 5e's Hail Mary.
