Inquisition Edition >Community Links:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/https://www.unitcrunch.comhttps://www.newrecruit.euhttps://wahapedia.ru>3rd Party Models Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/Q33bkBUh>Pre 10th Torrent:Info hash: d91d8b9daa9c5dc9105fc0ec09812cbc17a752b5>10th Edition Rules:https://gofile<dot>io/d/9LvQTLhttps://mega<dot>nz/folder/Em0Rmb7I#4GR-B7y4cu5nCB5QziXM4A>How to make wargames terrain:https://gofile.io/d/s99zDV>Secret Level Animation:https://gofile.io/d/J7muqs>Secret Santa:https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jNMk0oCTOWQkXxVetQqP-_mrNLjzggRR9wnmwkPMkM/edit?tab=t.0>Previous Thread:>>96603668>thread question:What are you looking forward to in the next 40k update? What ONE thing would you change to make the game more fun?
Glad I checked, i was about to bakeThanks anon
Let chaos idols take this thread.
>>96606370No
>>96606364it's telling that the image uses lore and not fluff
>>96606364>What are you looking forward to in 40k
If I wanted to have 40K NSFW artwork commissioned, can you name some pairings or otherwise fairly realistic scenarios that you haven't read or seen before?
>>96606374fluffags<lorechads
>>96606381newfags<oldchadshe look, i did what you did
>>96606364>TQ2nd part - making strength/toughness matter again where you can't just fish for crits on 6s (realistically 5s) to take down anything with just sheer number of attacks. If knightfags and custards have to burn their armies in rage of getting squatted to achieve it so be it. 1st part - realistically just some new detachment with decent build around (like cabal of chaos was even if its rather mid) will do
>>96606374>muh fluffretarded fake grog nickpick
>>96606364"lore"shitters are secondaries and do not belong here
>TqMore shirtless dudes
everyone please look at my first dreadnought that ive ever painted ! i spent maybe 6 hours on this and tried my absolute hardest to make it look good ^~^
>>96606388>warhammer tv
>>96606380femstodes x sisters of silence toxic yuri
>>96606391the back
>>96606390imagine if GW had the balls to do peninacestodes models
Hey guys, hope you're all doing well. It's time for the september collage anchor posts. I'll try to post one each thread until the deadline. As always I'll check the archive too but submitting your models in reply to these posts is the best way to not be missed. If you submit the models to one of my anchor posts there is no need to repost the submissions, I see them, I promise.Here is the vote for next month's theme.https://strawpoll.com/BDyNzobWkyRVery freeform theme this month, excited to see what you've cooked up.
>>96606391you laid it too thick and fast on the parts of carapace in hurry and it shows, same with knees. Nothing that can't be retouched in the future because you can do better. Lascannon technically has the same issue but it works there as weathering since metallics do be funky like that
>>96606391Looks like you tried some sort of edge highlighting, but anything like dreads with very sharp edges you can get a lot of mileage out of drybrushing
>>96606380I'm surprised we have next to no decent female Orks nsfw.
>>96606370stop trying to tempt me with anime women
>>96606380I honestly have no idea but also have my old smut folderhttps://mega.nz/folder/9dRjHIjK#s0nwLk6kBjIgM9iJgVl-6Q
>>96606400Tired of shilling your books or just looking for outsourcers Mike?
>>96606405I think you should always reply to OP in your anchor posts. This way it's easier to find them.
>>96606424Orks just aren’t attractive conceptually, they get overshadowed by goblins as well. the most iconic line from a porn game is from a gobbo as well.
>>96606424but we do, look
>>96606473>the most iconic line from a porn gameWhat a sad string of words.
>>96606479I knew it would be this webm
>>96606483>mfw this stud doesn't know what time it is
>>96606490I'll add itI made it in 2018 so I can probably add lots to it
>>96606473>Orks just aren’t attractive conceptually
>>96606465Good idea. I'll do that from now on.
>>96606485then, for my next trick...
>>96606374The community is completely overrun by newfags who don't bother to fit in and people who can best be described as posers an has been for a while now. It sucks but whining about this stuff is about as effectual as trying to stop the tide with your hands.
>>96606554>trying to stop the tide with your hands.but what if i use a glass
>>96606555nothing changes
>>96606565i will not be consumed by apathy and will keep trying my best to improve the state of this hobby.
I bought some second hand Space Marines, and I saw the codex was released in 2023. When is the newest Space Marine codex expected to come out? Is it plausible to assume this might be before or right after 11th edition which is expected next summer?
>>96606572>Is it plausible to assume this might be before or right after 11th edition which is expected next summer?yes
>>96606569I'm not advocating apathy I'm advocating not wasting your time and energy on becoming increasingly bitter about something you can't effect whether you like it or not instead of idk something that might be personally fulfilling
>>96606374it's telling that the image is trying to lump up tabletop players and hobbyists with lorefaggots
>>96606577Cool thanks, I'm going to wait for the next codex before buying it then. Since they are painted as Blood Ravens, who does the thread think the unknown primarch of their chapter is?
>>96606583it's even more obvious that the guy making the picture considers himself a lorefag
>>96606572if your're wondering if you should get the codex, nah you can hold off.just use wahapedia for rules and battlescribe and maybe new recruit to make your lists. http://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/factions/space-marines/ >>96606582the only bitterness in me is the bitters i'm currently drinking, but i get what your putting down, but as long as it's still fun i'll be a boomer and annoying the kids that are enjoying the hobby wrong.
>>96606592suit yourself
>>96606583>>96606586you can tell OP is probably a legit oldfag because only 2010s election refugees whine about lore discussion
>>96606601nice try lmao
>>96606601
>>96606592Yeah thanks, I use Wahapedia and Newrecruit also has the profiles if you print out the army list. >>96606601Did you (you) me by mistake? I just entered the thread. There are some insane flamers here it seems. A few months ago I also asked for advice on SoB and got accused of being a powergamer by a random anon.
>>96606606>>96606610Once upon a time, this place birthed 1d4chan, and now shills like you want to pretend lore discussion is a newfag thing because it hurts your tranny/chud feelings, lol
>>96606586very popular fan speculation points to magnus and the thousand sons due to the number of psykers and some supposed hints in a novel or something a few think it's raven guard and corax if I remember correctly, but I don't know why exactly beyond the corvid imagery the second largest/loud group thinks answering the question, even speculatively, defeats the purpose of the mystery and so no answer should be considered correct or more probablepersonally I fit more into the latter group than any of the former, even if I don't have that strong or an opinion about it and don't think the thousand sons thing is a bad idea per se, but there's lots of shitposting whenever the discussion pops up because people soon stop posting stuff as their interpretation or preference and start instead making fallacious appeals to an author who's kind of a sperg and weighted on it, or suggesting anyone with a different preference or interpretation is this or that strawman or has this or that mental illness
>>96606370
>>96606615>Did you (you) me by mistake?my bad, sorry
>>96606624You're the retard that thinks this is about actually fluff discusion and not just the transistion of people moving from the word fluff to lore.
>>96606405My model for this month
Lads I'm so excited for the Crux Terminatus boxed set. I might even buy a land raider to go with it at some point. Terminators are very fun.
>>96606586codexes are bad purchases regardless of how new they are in my opinion, at least the modern ones, but I speak more as a hobbyist and collector than player, so I don't really know how handy in the modern ruleset it is to have a physical book instead of a pirated pdf
>>96606632>people moving from the word fluff to loresomething perfectly fine, organic, and also seen in other media. You only bring it up as a way to create an imaginary meaningful difference, but nobody cares
>>96606652t. started post covid
>>96606636The rules printed in modern codexes aren't even accurate on release day. They're even more useless for rules than they are for anything else.
>>96606653Wrong, I started with Heroquest and Space Crusade. But I'm not a retarded autist stuck in my teenage years unlike you
>>96606634he skip leg day
>>96606661I'm sure you did, buddy.
Fluff or Lore, the terminology doesn't matter at all. Silly thing to fixate on.
>>96606665>asking a clanker instead of thinking for yourself
>>96606676I didn't get into Warhammer until the early nineties in a non-English country, and yet my ass remains uneaten by the likes of you.
>>96606676people aare barely able to articulate their arguments against shitpost these days to the point that they rely on AI to do all their thinking.it's truley pathetic
>>96606681I'm not part of the fluff/lore discussion, i just think you are retarded for asking a chat bot.
assault termies look suspiciously normal. even calgar is back to termie. why is GW nostalgiabaiting so hard since 10th ed? profits plummeting or are they just reusing old designs as "new" designs out of laziness (see: efficiency)?
>>96606676>>96606687>>96606691>relying on your brain-jelly and confirmation bias when the pure, cold logic of the perfect machine spirit is at your fingertipsNotGonna MakeIt
>>96606634I think the pose of the legs do the model a disservice but the paintjob is very nice.
>>96606697>perfect machine spirit
>>96606697It's neither pure not logical, it just makes shit up at random while pulling some information from wikipedia This is not the will of the Omnissiah
>>96606696ever heard of classic coke?
>>96606696So is Gravis actually dead for real now do you think?Is the grand experiment over?
I like xenos, they give a nice varied touch
>>96606696>profits plummeting or are they just reusing old designs as "new" designs out of laziness (see: efficiency)?The company is clearly doing fine. So, I'm going to go with lazy.
>>96606714nuDW KT has them
>>96606391>>96606401Not bad anon, not bad at all!The WIP thread(s) will be your friend from now on
>>96606696They're trying to end the firstborn vs primaris thing, pretty obvious. Primaris should have just been a new armor mark and they're taking steps to rectify the mistake. There is so much division and drama around the world and their brand already and they realized that infighting among their biggest whales is bad for business.Next edition intercessors will be turned into primaris tactical squads.
>>96606541
Threads reminder that primaris are kings
>>96606714Mixed marks is the way of the future, everyone likes it better. Deathwatch and Space Wolves imo is the template for future space marine stuff.
>>96606735Based and obviousposting
>>96606714>So is Gravis actually dead for real now do you think?This guy was literally in the same box as nuTermies.
>>96606725What's wrong with Gravis?I think it looks pretty badass
>>96606730Firstborn erasure is not the same as a peace offering
>>96606742It'd be so cool if everyone got access to the super mixed squads from current dw. I mean obviously you can now with any marines but as a main part of your force in another codex army
>>96606743This model is so good
>>96606748>>96606737I missed fug
>>96606748I think it's a level of complexity GW doesn't want for their main entry level army. That's part of why space marines are all aspect warrior squads now with names clearly defining loadouts. Deathwatch being the remix expert level space marines variant is perfectly fine.
>>96606745nothing's wrong with themm, honestly if i were ever to expand my 30k iron hands to 40k i think i would build around gravis armour as my army centre
>>96606726please don't send this attentionwhore to wip, thanks
>>96606746They'll just be space marines eventually. They'll remove the primaris keyword. It'll be no different than the jump from beakies to goodwin-style marines.
>>96606745their only fault is that anyone thought they were replacing terminators. Marines have always needed a heavy armor mark with the heresy crowd headcanoning marks 2 and 3 as heavy
>>96606745Some people erroneously believed that they were an attempt to create primaris Terminator armor right up until Terminators made a glorious return this edition. They have never really served the same role though.
>>96606763I wish we had stuck with beakies
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
So u think GW gonna cuck fart smeldars in 11th edition and relase new faction before their new models?
>>96606745Nothing, they are cool. In fact, I want more of melee gravis.
>>96606783I think they’ll be rebranded to corsairs
>>96606786>ynnari failed>okay lets just do corsairs>corsairs is genuinely just cooler so its actually successfulsasuga GW
>>96606785power maul, grav storm gauntlet gravis would be sick
>>96606634Perhaps too too heavy. Those chicken legs are carrying him to the fight.
>>96606789>corsairs>successfulpick one
>>96606601You started after primaris, you will never be a grog.
>>96606405What are the rules on multiple entries?
>>96606802You don't know the meaning of top heavy
>>96606670It's hilarious to see late midhammer posers like you get so defensive when their "I was playing before you" card turns out to be useless.
Do the Death Guard in Lords of Silent lean more towards the jolly type or more towards the depressed type?
>>96606815you still trying with this, mate?
>>96606811I started before you children began using "grog" for all old tabletop players, instead of it only being used for experienced napoleonic wargamers
>>96606758No I agree on all fronts, I just think it'd be fun. I'm sure people wouldn't have an issue with people running dw squads in codex marine armies in friendlies
>>96606827Hakos Baelz will inherit the galaxy
I like how Drukhari lost access to Clowns and Corsairs so they are even lower on datasheets
>>96606830The DW specific mixed armor kill teams cant be run in normal marine armies. The only DW stuff that can be run in regular marine armies is the Deathwatch Veterans which are the old firstborn kit (amazing kit btw) that come in 5 or 10 through agents and don't benefit from the army rule.
>>96606783They should just put them in codex Aeldari, but the problem is they're just too big to squish into one alternative micro faction like Harlequins or Corsairs (Even with all their missing units). They're a subfaction that has subfactions (Kabals, Kults, Kovens) and just throwing them all in the codex to be used in every Eldar detachment with faction keyword "Aeldari" is going to create a nightmare of balance. Every detachment will be an Ynnari detachment. So you have to make them at least three detachments all on their own and limit how much they can be taken outside of those detachments except in the Ynnari detachment. And now you just have two codexes stapled together that you're selling for half the price you were before.So the answer must be to retire the Dark Eldar line entirely right? Well, that's some 55 good modern plastic molds (2-3 molds per vehicle and monster) that they would have to just decommission. That's about a $5.5 million investment that was making some small amount of money that is now making zero. That's a tough decision to sell to their shareholders even if continuing to sell an under supported army is giving them bad publicity.Basically they can't merge Dark Eldar and Eldar together until the shrink the line down more and they can't really cut any more kits immediately.
>>96606837you still have access to reaper's wager, they never put the grotmass in the codex
>>96606813One entry per person but you can enter a squad if you want. One picture
>>96606820The depressed type, but there are exceptions
Loyalist and chaos marines should be in one big codex together
>>96606841I'm aware. I'm saying it would be fun to allow that during your own personal games, not as a blanket thing for tournaments and all that
>>96606855We should have 3 big codexs, imperium, xenos and chaos.
>>96606745>What's wrong with Gravis?the basic design is just a chunkier normal marine with a hood, which doesn't stand out enough on box art. the ones that do stand out do so because their equipment is goofy as fuck. conceptually there's not much benefit from a slightly tankier version of a normal marine when normal marines are supposed to be tanky but aren't, and terminators are also surprisingly flimsy in 10th. there's nothing to work with in the gap between them.I like gravis heads and have used them on my jump pack guys. GW's one colour marketing paint job does the design no favours.
>>96606745They look fat and goofy
>>96606855I had heard many dumb take. This gotta be the dumbest take.
>>96606845they could keep craftworld eldar with their exclusive unit and put darkies, harlies, sairs and eventually dites into a agents-like codex: other eldar
>>96606855no reason for it, this isn't the Horus heresy, there's no overlap of units or cross compatibility
>>96606845Also there is the aspect of GW where unpopular model lines are1. still profitable2. create the ecosystem of niche armies and diversity that attracts people to a hobby that offers a robust diversity of experiences even if not every experience is appealing to one individualPeople think a model line being unpopular means its bad for GW. The truth is that its the opposite. Having a bunch of niche armies to be foils for the popular factions appeals to a massive amount of potential customers. There is no reason to squat dark eldar because they offer something to a certain kind of customer, and all they need to do is get you to buy a single kit to potentially convert you into a REAL customer (20k USD lifetime spent).Everything about GW is about conversion ratio between interested --> bought a kit or two --> became a whale with 20k pile of shame
I wish there was a point in running 10 man devastator squads. I always dig the big units but another 5 dudes with boltguns aren't really worth the points. Though I suppose between the bloated roster and power levels having any semblance of internal balance is a far cry.
>>96606862This unironicallyAnd also rules for units without models for kitbashing/third party sake
>>96606745Unnecessary and ugly.
>>96606855>Loyalist and chaos marines should be in one big codex together
Who does the "up armored space marine" look better.Gravis or centurions?
>>96606758There's nothing complex about squads getting weapon options. Basically every army works like that. Singling space marines out is dumb.
>>96606884With how easy space marines are to kill, running a 10 man squad gives you ablative models to lose before your big guns start dropping.
>>966068624 really>Imperium>Chaos>Alien Empires (tau soup, votann, necrons, eldars, gsc if they split from tyranid)>Whatever catchy names for tyranids, GSC-if-still-tyranid, orks
>>96606763Except all the classic units except terminators and scouts will be gone? How is that the same? Also you people keep saying that as if mk7 hadn't been the face of the faction for 30 years while beakies barely 2 years.
>>96606783We already know what will happen from ValrakCorsair expansion soonDeldar expansion in 11thEventually ExoditesDeldar will have their lost units refreshed and get new ones as well. Mandrakes already got an upgrade in addition to new Archon and Malys. Faction they want to squat wouldn't be getting such upgradesBut Lost and the Damned/Dark Admech may indeed arrive before them in 11th. Since edition will start with Xenos (Orks) as a main threat. Moving to Chaos from Orks and then back to Xenos (Deldar) is an obvious way to keep narrative fresh.
Let me guess, you *need* more?
>>96606899Getting another squad with another 4 weapons would still be more cost effective.
>>96606895Centurions are both hideous and retarded in concept. Gravis looks good when used right (heavy ints) even though 40k isn't really granular enough for it to be necessary gamewise.
>>96606905You do get a discount on the 5 bolter marines though
>>96606871That's just a Dark Eldar codex with more units
>>96606904I need a chapter master in a sled pulled by "wolves"
>>96606902Stenguard already are as well. Vanguard Veterans and Tacticals will be in at least as well.
>>96606904I only need boxnaughts to get usable rules and not be sidelined by what is a budget leviathan and not a proper standard dreadnaught.
How do you guys feel about proxies? Guy at my local store wants to run this as a maulerfiend (not joking).
>>96606950Based
>>96606904>Let me guess, you *need* more?This reminds me of that dude who posted here angry that he couldn't get a game in at the local shop and said he started walking to tables with games going on that were nearly done and asking the players if they could finish immediately so he could play with one of them.
>>96606950Lazy. I won't play against anything that breaks immersion unless it's a coomer proxy.
>>96606918>Stenguard already are as wellIn name. Combis don't exist nor do they have a purpose in a roster with dedicated weapon squads. It could work of the roster was designed like 30k's where seekers do have a place but it really isn't.>Tacticals I do hope so but I can't really see it. Not when intercessors exist and the new "assault squads" lost all their special weapons.>VanvetsLooking at assault terminators we might get them mostly unscathed. Though bladeguard stelaing their non-jump pack slot while being infinitely more boring is still a thing.
>>96606950Sure, looks like a similar base and vaguely similar silhouette.
Fourth damned legionary done. 6 days left to make the last one.
>>96606895gravis hands down
>>96606952>>96606958>>96606963I think his entire Death Guard at is heavily kitbashed or proxies and almost all of it looked great (and painted) guess I need to just calm my autism down over one model he's running that I don't like.
>>96606914and marketed as a supplement for craftworlders too, yes
>>96606950no problem with them conceptually, but that is just an ugly unfitting thing
>>96606969Heall yeah, looks great.I'm just working on this guys face now and going to give the book a bit of a wash and weather so its not as stark a contrastPost WIPs
>>96606978It's ok to be a sperg, if you're gonna play against him just ask him to be clear with what's what during the game, since convertered armies can be cool but your opponent should still have an idea what they're up against.
>>96606969I can't wait to see the full squad, you've been doing some awesome work.
>>96606979So in this imaginary supplement are these all units that can be souped together into CWE up to like 500/1k points or 4 different armies that all borrow some CWE units to pad out their roster like space marine supplements?
Do we have any idea what base size Malys and the new Archon are on? Has someone done the measurements?
>>9660700032mm most likely. Kabalites are now on 28mm.
Tactical Tacticus SquadTactical Phobos SquadTactical Gravis SquadWhen?!
>>96607002is that a stealth nerf? it means they can't pop out three ranks deep from transports anymore
>>96606987Nice. Is he for the collage?
>>96606998>that all borrow some CWE units to pad out their rosternot really this part, but yes, pretty much
>>96607015He wasn't intended to be but I think I might put him into it. I already entered so I will ask collage anon to take out the one I have in there and just add that model to this group since it's all badmech kitbashes.
>>96607002>Kabalites are now on 28mm.How are Kabalites on 28mm if they didn't rebox them and are still selling them with 25s?
cant wait for the new tau models from the 11e starter box
>>96607000Malys is on a 40mm, specifically with a tactical rock to increase her footprint and prevent her from being run as a normal Archon.
>>96607030>specifically with a tactical rock to increase her footprint and prevent her from being run as a normal Archonkek sasuga jamesu
>>96606391>primarislopNot a real dread.
Real life White Scars
>>96607044all you have is new dreads, you started after primaris did
Counting or not counting Kabal viol-ACK!
>>96607013consolidating the phobos units into one tactical soup would unironically be a good thing.
>>96606883> 2 is a good pointDoes anyone actually have numbers on how popular certain armies are? DE was the first army I picked up and I've always at least seen one other person or talked to someone that had them when I played at my flgs. Anecdotal evidence obviously but it feels like drukhari enjoyers are treated like people that collect those weird three-wheeled European cars
Favorite quotes in warhammer?
>>96607061You could make the three smaller Phobos squads (Infiltrators, Incursors, Reivers)into one unit and just differentiate with wargear. Keep snipers seperate
Wip /ss/ >send your address and wishlist to santa>he send you your anon's address and wishlist40k /ss/>get a degree in cryptography if you want to even submitI can see why only 3 people have entered
>>96607061Consolidating them into a trash can would be better.
>>96607073"Simplified, not simple"
>>96607022They are on 28mm in the new combat patrol.
>>96607073"Forge your narrative"
>>96607074the sniper rifles would be more useful in infiltrator units given how they're usually run. the move-shoot-move of the sniper unit makes them good skirmishers while infiltrators are suited to sitting in the back watching from afar. it's just kind of a mess so might be interesting if phobos could choose to take one bolt rifle or las fusil or haywire mine among the choices.
>>96607073"Yes" - Cato Sicarius.
>>96607074Why the fuck are they on 40mm bases?
>>96607092The new combat patrol does not contain kabalites, it has wracks.
>>96607092There are no Kabalites in the new combat patrol.
>>96607118What a weird box to start an army, should drop a pain engines and add a venom at least.
>>96606895I really loved the early Gravis with segmented belly plates and i'm really upset all subsequent models got the steel panties and belt.Centurion is absurd.
>>96606696are these new models? they look like they were sculpted in the 2000s
>>96607126Stop spending all night wacking off to your chinese anime vtubers, it's damaging your eyes.
>>96607118>>96607115I'm pretty sure they showed a box with kabalites, might not have been the patrol.
>>96607121because they ride on the fact that you need battleforce for RSR to have all factions present, still its not a good box unless you really wanna play that detachment or they expand covens in 11th (which i really fucking doubt but i digress)
>>96607069There are surveys in every group like Reddits and Goonhammer and even here trying to find how many people collect what armies but they're all super subjective. There is tournament attendance data but that is only a small subsection of the player base and only tells us one Army that each of those players collect.Probably the closest we have to market research data is Auspex Tactics borrowing sales data from some of his sponsors checking how many boxes from each faction were sold in a given period.Dark Eldar were the lowest of the major factions but still higher than almost all the Marines supplements besides Blood Angels if I recall.This survey was like a year ago though so Blood Angels were the new thing and Space Wolves hadn't been updated yet.
>>96606636>>96606659I considered getting it for the lore. But when I compare newer codexes to older, sofcover ones, the newer versions seem to have far less of it, although they do have some 'newer' content advancing the timeline.
>>96607128You mean this one where the kabalite feet are still obviously hanging off the side of the base because they're on 25mm?
>tfw no desire to buy minis until dark admech is confirmed and comingI am gonna fuck myself arent I
>>96606696Because they realized primaris were a mistake.
>>96607121Maybe the rumors about every faction getting a second Combat Patrol bix for Christmas this year are true and they have a wych cult one already made and ready to ship
>>96607138bait aside they outright said it was because Terminators were too iconic and they couldn't top it
>>96607136>tfw no desire to buy minis until dark admech is confirmed and comingYou should hold your breath too. Don't worry, anon. They'll announce dark mech any second now...
>>96606956>What army do you play?>Custodes.>Yeah, fraid it's gonna take till closing time for us to finish.
>>96607076You can't use the term /ss/ and post a picture people will see a dommy mummy it sends a very different message than the one you were trying to convey.
>>96607146Sorry, for a moment I forgot we live in a world with nonces
I think the chaos gods should die
>>96607142There's many other iconic parts about marines they've killed without a second thought.
>>96607159I agree, the game should be guard vs traitor guard with maybe orcs (that rape) and genestealers
>>96607144I CANT BREATHE OMNISSIAH
>>96607168nah they haven't
Firstborn aren’t iconic. Primaris are, for they are kings.
>>96607170Do the genestealers rape too?
Where can an individual find scans of recent white dwarf issues? Is there a pastebin?
>>96607182Maybe?
>>96607141still a better discount than any admech box
>>96607073
>>96607199sighsource?
>>96607175Is this some kind of gaslighting tactic we're doing now?
>>96607221Gaslighting isn't real retard, women made it up because they get confused all the time
>>96607221the "mark 7 is so heckin iconic" shit is pure revisionists history, if you took a time machine and went back to 2015 people would be glazing the heresy marks of armor and saying they hate mark 7
Doing a teaching game tonight. Guys second ever game of 40k, they've got the DG CP and some extra plague marines.Going to bring 600 points of ultrasmurfs so he can enjoy his extra toughness and anti infantry weapons. And see what makes his boys special.
>>96607232That doesn't mean it's not iconic. Just that people liked having options that enrich the settings past. Unlike primaris who erease everything before them.
>>96607241No, no one actually liked mark 7. Saying you like mark 7 is the epitome of the old good new bad cycle. When the mixed armor mark primaris is more widespread this thread will love all mark X
>>96606380CSM and Tau, it's always guardsmen with blueberries
>>96607142Is there a link to the article they said that in? Not that anon, but Terminators are my favorite model and would like to read about that decision.
>>96607219https://files.catbox.moe/3ymz7v.png
>>96607247Yeah man no one liked mk7 that's why space marines were thr best selling faction for 30 years despite other marks being released by FW in resin just at the tail end of their lifetime. Who do you want to decieve?
>>96607280Godspeed
>>96607289people prefered other marks but were force fed only the single one. Its why HH outsells 40k now.
boxnaut>kit came with multiple different loadout options like missiles or fist on its left arm and assault cannon, lascannon, multi-melta on its right arm>had additional options in the rules for each gun on either one of its armsredemptor>you get a fist and 2 guns>you want a flamer? fuck you, buy an invictor warsuit>you want a lascannon and missiles? fuck you buy a ballistus>oh and you cant change the loadout on that one
>>96607299boxnaughts dont have aura tho
>>96607292Bad falseflag.
>>96607305>never seen the DoW1 or 2 intro cinematics
>>96607305Their special rule is an aura bro.
god, I love Tau
>>96606950I don't mind if it looks 40k-ish and is well done. This one is immersion breaking, but I wouldn't be a bitch about it.
>>96607073>Everything is canon
Purge BEST warbandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-frR2WD59Y
Alright I think I'm set on my plan for my first 2,000 points of Eldar; from the Combat Patrol I'm going to add more Aspect Warriors, an Avatar, a Phoenix Lord or two, and transports.Do you guys think that's gonna need a tank or two as well, or is that a decent army on it's own?
I, HATE Tau, LOATHE them, FUCKING HATE EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR. I EVEN HATE MARATHON because of their association with it. Such a stupid fucking faction that should get less support than dark eldar. Everyone who likes the faction are misguided fools who dont know whats good for them.
>>96607339Buy an ad.
>>96607073"I don't know."-The Emperor
>>96606364>lorechadsYou're a secondary, go buy some models faggot.
>>96607345It appears my superiority has led to some controversy again.
>>96606405Thanks collageanon
>>96606380Ratling dude and his gigantic ogryn gf
>>96606380Sister of Battle x choirboy
>>96607073"The Astartes save us from the brink, the brinkBut oh my life how they stink, they stink."-Ignace Karkasy, remembrancer, circa M.31
>>96607359trvke
Have any of you guys ever done an old fashioned battle report for any of your games? I keep forgetting to take enough pictures to do my own.
>>96607345What do you think is everything they stand for?
>>96606978>death guard>maulerfiendim assuming he's not playing death guard in this match
>>96607402Bovine love
>>96607342It's basically what I'm playing. On 2k, I usually bring 2 falcons and a wave serpent, but the exact configuration is very flexible. You probably want at least one wave serpent to carry a hammer unit like fire dragons.
I think 40k marines should copy the 30k roster. The current 40k roster is a mess.
>>96607342What detachment are you planning to run in? Eldar lists look very different for different builds and several are popular and viable
>>96607401I want to but my ADD takes over and I forget pics/notes. Doesn’t help that most tables are so flavourless as to make it kinda dull.
>>96607428What are those ghosts suppose to be? chaos spawn or necrons?
>>96607404Ah I guess not, he's constantly posting Death Guard so I just assumed it was for the same army.
>>96607440Spawn.
>>96606950If I like the guy then yes, otherwise no
>>96606706So modest, that is only proof that chatgpt IS the perfect machine spirit!
>>96607465I need aa inquisitor doakes to post here
>>96606364>TQIncrease the point cost on every unit. Game model count is way too high.
>>96606895>Grogs think this is stupid goofy shit and then coom their jorts over saturnines
>>96606987Finished highlight+wash on this second one since I took the picture
>>96607368More Elf/Tau Sexo!!!!
>>96607475I’m a newfag and I think centurions= the gay and saturnine is hot.
>>96607423sweet, thanks. I don't mind a tank or two, it just means I need to get serious about learning to freehand thorns>>96607425The Aspect Warrior one. I don't know the name, I haven't played the game yet so I have no idea what I'm doing rules wise, but I assume if like over half the points in my list are going to Aspect Warriors and an Avatar, I should go with the Aspect Warrior detachment.
>>96607401No but I’m going too now.
>>96607124The problem with belly plates is that they made the marine look like they had hip dysplasia
>>96607291Therere's more where that came fromhttps://files.catbox.moe/f2ndbw.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/bcg2j6.png
Sister superior! My leggings are filled to the brim with nurgle gifts.May I go back to the monestary to change?
>>96607507Anon, this is a blue board...
>>96607373Do you have a name for your orks? Have you written any fluff for them?
>>96607502godspeed anon
I'm late but re:gravis. >Gravis and Terminators should be able to share characters at the cost of losing deep strike>Heavy Intercessors kit should be updated to able to chose between a heavy Bolter and another option (maybe Autocannon or high ST high AP option) and the sergeant should have more wargear options >give them a melee variant of inceptorsThat's it
>>96606895I don't care what shitty kit they release for Primaris, these Centurions will never be good.
>>96607513>unnecessary ellipsisCalm down boomer.
>>96607527I like them :(
>>96607401No but I wish i hadMy sisters were protecting a shrine with the death guard closing in, I just had to keep one model alive till turn 5 to win.I made it to turn 4 with a single canoness alive, but she was cut down by the death guards warlord.
>>96607521The Heavy Intercessor kit shares a major problem with the regular Intercessor kit; so much space on the sprue is taken up with those stupid pointless incredibly minor bolter variations
>>96607538Based metal repentia owning anon
>>96607534Hope you like them in 10th edition because they're probably not surviving into 11th
>>96607544I had a decently sizes sisters army even before the plastic refresh The old repentia are so much better, it's not even closeI do not even slightly miss building the metal penitent engines however
>>96607542Not a problem after intercessors replaced by primaris tacticals and heavies get replaced by primaris devastators
>>96607500Aspect Host asks you to take one transport (to jump out of and then back into, something you can abuse a lot with nasty units like reapers or fire dragons) but beyond that it's very flexible, only looking for any kind of Aspect Warriors, really.
>>96607401What are squats?
>>96607542I think a lot of the Space Marine refresh units need a minor refresh.
you know. Gw could justify making a renegade space marine line.
>>96607546Theyre still relatively new though aren't they? They released in 7th edition. Their kit has lots of life in it still. Do you think they'd give us a primaris version if they took it away?
>>96607560All the primaris blood angels shit needs a major refresh
>>96607555Alright, once I've got most of my Eldar Combat Patrol painted I'll start buying transports and Aspect Warriors, and at some point play a game or two to get a better idea of what I'm doing.Thanks!
>>96607552I liked the sculpts for the old penitent engines though. Idk why they made them smaller, and more boring.
>>96607560Lmao can you imagine how pissed the xenosfags would be
>>96607538>yeah bro lets have a good narrative game where your sister infantry have to defend the shrine. anyway I'm deploying my 3 tri-lobe blighthaulers, yes thats right thats 9 blighthaulers
>>96607528...
>>96607575It was during 8th with the battle cards, he was using 1500 points vs my 500The blighthaulers may have been a bit much though, yeah. >>96607577
>>96606845So the answer is to you know… give them more fucking models so new players are actually attracted to them and want to play them in their own right which I have no doubt is what would happen if they gave them a proper expansion. This is a problem purely of their making because they neglected the army. They probably were planning to fold them into Eldar with the ynnari stuff but they were even more unpopular and the plan to merge Eldar under ynnari was abandoned.
>>96607552I never had any penitent engines but I feel the same about the exorcist. Cool model but trying to get it assembled was torture and just looking at it made me afraid of it falling apart. I much prefer the previous immolators to the new ones though. Glad I've got two.
>>96607583Why is she pointing at me. What did I do?
>>96607597Yer a psyker 'arry. She's gonna feed yer magic nuts to the empurr
>>96607597I meant to type t.
What are the valrak leaks?
>>96606987Probably where my kapricus models are gonna sit for a while once my chorfs are bought this Saturday. I cannot say how excited I am for those models.
>>96607604This is not good.
>>96607596I'm really glad they kept a lot of the aesthetic across the range at least, the vehicles still fit with each other.On a related note I caved in and bought a recast Repressor since they were OOP before i even started collecting
>>96607570
>>96607002Did they give Wracks 28mm bases with the new reboxing? I would expect them to.
>>96607620How was assembly? I got a recast Lord of Skulls that's been a major pain in the ass to put together. A little warping and all the pieces come pre clipped so finding the small parts in the 6 bags of bits is really difficult.
>>96607289Just because they're the best selling faction in 40k doesn't mean mk7 wasn't offputting & kept a lot of people disinterested in 40k itself. I thought your dumpy little frowny face fucks were ugly as sin compared to better looking power armor designs (eg starcraft, doom, halo) and they straight up kept me out of getting into the game & playing warmahordes instead until they came out with primaris. Now don't get me wrong- I don't think primaris are particularly great looking, since after going through all the 30k stuff there's other armor marks I wildly prefer over them. The thing is primaris just aren't offensively ugly the way mk7 is, and as a result they make game more approachable to anyone who doesn't have a raging nostalgia boner for the desire to continue playing with the toys the grew up with.
Birdman is in the mail, can't fucking wait.
Lmao remember when minis were on 25mm bases? Good times.
>>96607635Still waiting on it, it's coming from a warzone though so I dont expect it to be that fast.The same recaster has been okay in the past, nothing remarkable one way or the other.I tend to use chinamen now but only c+f actually had the repressor parts.Pic related is my latest chinaman purchase
>>96607518My crusade dudes have names but I never really took the time to come up with any kind of backstory
>>96607626>Rebox Wracks into box of 10> Double the price>Still field in units of 5/8/10>Still online onlyLiterally WHY? For what purpose?
>>96607649>gobslut
>>96607639Lmao are those flying lasguns at his base?
>>96607643>Lmao remember when minis were on 25mm bases?>we'reSeveral entire factions still are
>>96607649Shoulda called him Gobdeez
>>96607661Wut?
>>96607652>112 American dollars for a special edition codex with old 5e art on it of a sculpt they just retiredIs there some other reason these Codexes are double the price of the stock ones or is it literally just nostalgia bait?
>>96607673>is there a reason [GW product] costs XBecause people will pay it. That's it.
>>96607672Almost every DE infantry unit is still on 25mm besides the named characters. Even all the generic leader characters.
>>96607668I did put trukk nutz on my battlewagon if that counts
>>96607673I believe they have extra art and lore if not just counting the FOMO tax
What are the best armies for actual schizophrenics?
I need some blizzard level cinematic for the Warhammer universe
>>96607681>I believe they have extra art and loreCan anyone verify this? Is there lore for factions hidden only in fomo books?
>>96607639>Was going to make a 'whoa why is 40k doing a Skrillex crossover joke'>Realized Skrillex was relevant 15 YEARS ago>Music I consider new is now 15 years oldIs this what becoming ancient feels like, boomer anons?
>>96607554Devastators don't need gravis.
>>96607685Your favourite blizzard cinematic, sir?
Chaos furies are more forgotten than the average deamon model, being undivided daemons (with marked variants).Being bat winged imps with dog heads is cool but you know isn't very greek inspired, they could borrow from another greek monster like the gorgons who were also winged orginally. Since furies are a real world greek monster, but were just winged women to kill oath breakers. They could be Gorgon inspired or lean into being monsters that take away and kill oath breakers of the chaos gods.
>>96607638Dunno I think you shouldn't radically change the look of a faction to try to appeal to people that didn't like it in the first place.
Primaris are the Star Wars Prequels of 40k
>>96607685We have several of those. Astartes, the HH trailers etc
>>96607639While the sculpt is amazing I can't help but think this is completely unnecessary. This is supposed to be a game piece not a diorama. If they insist on flexing their sculpts like this they should work like the FW character series, with a big scenic base and a smaller, simpler game base that slots into the big one.
>>96606634
would someone mind taking a look at my ultras list? i just wanna make sure its solid and works decent.....
>>96607679Pretty sure DEldar got bumped to 28.5 like Incubi
>>96607702They’re still marines
40k needs more Falstaffian characters
>>96606634Johny Bravo ahh custode
Why are there so many fucking posers who think 40k should have hope and want the setting to stop being grim and dark? By definition, grimness is depressing, harsh, merciless, and darkness is defined by absence of light, or in this case, hope. So 40k is, by definition, a depressing, harsh, brutal, hopeless setting. Why do people want to change that? For years, people have come into this hobby trying to poison it from within - and then they claim to be "true fans." Why aren't they being gatekept? They should fuck off back to star wars.
>>96607717Been a long while since this general has been useful for list advice.
>>96607692I’m 24 here and the feeling is fucking dreadful already.
>>96607724And if I redesign eldar to look like daleks with limbs they would still be eldar as long as I call them eldar. Doesn't mean it's a wise choice to change their look just because some people don't dig their pointy helmets.
>>96607702>A helmet swap and making the models better scaled so they don't feel like they were made by a sculptor trying to save money in production >Radically changeYou have a pretty retarded definition of the phrase radically changed, anon. They're still aesthetically the exact same thing, which by all accounts I should've already been interested since Menoth was almost literally just white Black Templars and they were my jam.
>>96607730You answered your own questionDidnt gatekeep hard enough
>>96607730I don’t think it should be about hope but it should embrace being grim derpness. It’s hard to take grim darkness seriously and 40K isn’t suited for it anymore.
>>96607740I mean if you ignore every redesign except the helmet then sure.
>>96607692>pic related>>96607733You're just a baby, enjoy your 20s. Or do what I did and focus on your career, move somewhere lower stress in your 30s and then do things
>>96607742But the people who need to be gatekept ironically call themselves the true fans and try to gatekeep others themselves, then insist 40k should have hope and brightness and obsess over primarchs and marinewank. They cried when black templars got a new codex that depicted them doing shit that's expected in such a hopeless and bleak setting. It's not enough to gatekeep the tourists, we gotta gatekeep many of the fucking so-called gatekeepers too. They're only into 40k for the aesthetic, they're only into 40k for the fashion.
>>96607706Primaris are the Rey 'Skywalker' 'Little Sheev' Palpatine of 40k
it will never happen, but it would be funny, if they released Jagathai for Deldar as Grotesque Prime or some shit full on drugs
>£60
>>96607730>Why have a little bit of hope in a grimdark setting?Are you really so retarded you can't figure it out anon?
>>96607723Pretty sure that's just Incubi and the new Archon though.
>>96607777I'm not an authority on leaks but I remember people were looking at the new pictures GWs been showing off and saying the bases were bigger
I feel bad for the Lamenters.
>>96607767>Expert painted with conversions, will accept offers no less than £120
>>96607073>I speak with tongues of flameReally poetic expression of Imperium's modus operandi.
>>96607796Same. They have the worst fan base.
>>96607672>>96607643Besides Deldar, Imperial Guard, Tau and Admech basic Skitarii troops are still on 25s.
>>96607769No hope on a wider scale, no. No hope for a better future. Only small scale victories and survival, individual characters trying to survive in a doomed galaxy. Stuff like Gaunt's Ghosts hits a lot harder when you realize that the galaxy is doomed, the wider conflict is fucked, and there isn't a damned thing the main characters can do but do their best, cope with the duty they've been given and try to survive.
>>96607557how you work on your legs, fatty
>>96607812>tyranids kill galaxy>chaos kills tyranids>chaos kills itself>my oc donut steel self-insert appears and revives the emperor of mankind>we become best friends>we bring back humanity and go to a new galaxyThats how I would do it.
>>96607766Does anywhere else discuss this idea. I've only seen the idea of Jaghatai as a grotesque mentioned here
>>96607794You mean the pictures people already posted and refuted earlier in this thread?>>96607118>>96607134
>>96607730because despite the opening quote, 40k has rarely presented itself as straightforwardly depressing as that, sure there's grimdark left and right, but the vast majority of stories are about honestly well meaning larger than life heroes facing objectively more evil foes and triumphing against the odds.it's not even a change that happened with the boost in popularity after primaris, it was all already in motion and carried out pretty much the same since 2nd edition, with a moment of grimdarker artworks (but not really stories) in 3rd; with the main difference being that since 7th we have had some major fluff developments, where we didn't use to have those.the setting may be doomed if we look at the metaphysics of the odds as presented at face value on a macro scale, but on a moment by moment and zone by zone view, it's not as downhill as that, especially because normal people are reassured by the meta knowledge that the setting and characters have plot armor.when I see people whining about grimdark it's not about, say, the ugly and depressing decline of civilizations or the body horror of servitors, it's mostly autists way too involved into their choice of faction and power levels who feel personally insulted or threatened when they aren't the best at any given point
>>96607825Oh, nice. Wyches still fight in 3 ranks
>decal mutant woke upSee you guys later.
>>96607812You're still not getting the point.>previous gif related
>>96607827>it's mostly autists way too involved into their choice of faction and power levels who feel personally insulted or threatened when they aren't the best at any given pointwe gotta bully these niggas out the fandom
>>96607830>OOOOO DA POINT IS MY SPESS MEHREENS AND PRIMARCHS BEING BIG DAMNED HEROES AND SAVING DA DAY!!!You're the goddammed retard here, GTFO of this hobby.
>>96607812This is like Spengler if he was a gay retard.
>>96607837Good luck, they're more terminally online than you or me.The only winning move is to stop pretending there's a real community online, the only actual communities are gaming groups, online shit doesn't matter.
>>96607843No, enjoy your misery porn while it lasts.
>>96607638What dogshit taste, the objectively correct space marine helmet ranking is as follows, chaos versions go up a tier.>S TierT-shaped visorMk VII/classic>A TierBeakieTerminator>B TierGrey KnightsVictrix guard>C TierMk IIIMk X/primaris>D TierReiverInfiltratorsIncursors
>>96607345You're just going to summon the Tau coomers to spam their ridiculous cow tit art. Or was that your goal from the start?
>>96607828Well, disembark in 3 ranks. You still can only fight in 2 ranks. Technically raiders let you disembark up to 6" now with Wyches so a base size change wouldn't actually hurt much. Especially since more than half their damage output is now concentrated in 4 models (Powersword Hekatrix and 3 Gladiator Weapons)
>>96607827I think it would be best for the setting if every major faction had a faint glimmer of hope for their 'win condition' but it never be dragged out or stated definitively.
>>96607509How is she saying this with both of her hands full?
>>96607843>>OOOOO DA POINT IS MY SPESS MEHREENS AND PRIMARCHS BEING BIG DAMNED HEROES AND SAVING DA DAY!!!Yeah, they do that, then they pull the rug out from under you at the last minute and have the bad guys win anyway, or have an 'all according to kekaku' plan. Which keeps them coming back because they go 'ohh my side ALMOST won but next time they'll win for sure!' Which they do over and over again until the feel the need to end times the setting and restart.How are you this much of a retarded faggot that you can't figure out this stupidly simple formula?
>>96607873>wahhhh I hate when the grimdark setting is grim and dark
>>96607825>>96607828Looking at pic in this post>>96607679The kabalites at least look like they’re in 28m bases here, I own a bunch of kabalites and the 25m bases look way more awkward and tiny compared to in this photo. Could be wrong though
>>96607887But wiggles like a bee
>>96607890Not what I said but okay.
>>96607824No, because nobody outside of here is stupid enough to even entertain that notion. Jaghatai is more popular than the entire Dark Eldar faction.
>>96607877>Mk III C tier>No Mk II>No Mk VIWhat's it like being a newfag who doesn't actually own any models but still shitposts about them on a mogolian throat singing forum? I gotta know
>>96607905>describing absence of hope in a grim (depressing) and dark (absent of hope) as "misery porn">"I NEVER SAID I HATE WHEN THE GRIMDARK SETTING IS GRIM AND DARK! I'M ONE OF YOU, I SWEAR!"subversion. You are a cancer rotting this hobby from within. Kill yourself.
>>96607886>but it never be dragged out or stated definitively.that's already the case then, the only reason you could think otherwise is if you were to get too fossilised on something being or not being stated definitely.
>>96607889Just start killing writers until they stop doing that and start writing more actually dark kino, it's not hard.
>GrimdarkCouldn't be my faction.
>>96607916Mk II has no significant differences from Mk III and Mk VI is the beakie you retard.
>no, you don't understand, 40k was never grimdark, there should be hope, it's more engaging from a plot and marketing stan- ACK!
>>96607695WoD trailer
>>96607890Grimdark =/= pure nihilism.
>>96607920I think only Chaos players are really the last holdout of genuinely believing they are 100% gonna win it.
>>96607942The absurdity of it all should be the balancing factor, not introducing light into the darkness.
>>96607942>Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter and the laughter of thirsting gods.
>>96607877>terminator helmet>A tierLmao
>>96607944Its better for the galaxy if he wins according to Eldrad Ulthran.
>>96607693devastators? fck them CSM HAVOC's
>>96607944I don't even play chaos and I 100% think that chaos is destined to "win." Just this quote alone says it outright:>there is no peace amongst the stare, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter. And the laughter of thirsting gods.But I also think obsessing over "winning" the setting is a sign of severe and crippling autism and should be treated as such. Stop worrying about the metaplot and embrace the smaller things, my guy.
>>96607944>Imperium"When the Emperor wakes up the Imperium will win for sure!">Chaos"When the Emperor dies Chaos will win for sure!">Nids"When the rest of them arrive the Nids will win for sure!">Necrons"When the Dynasties all finish waking up the Necrons will win for sure!">Orks"Orks already won!"
>>96607937>Mk II has no significant differences from Mk IIIDouble retarded>Mk viTypo meant iv>inb4 establish yourself as a further tastelet saying iv isn't distinguished
>>96607961>STARS NOT STAREFUCK FUCK FUCK I'M A RETARD FUCK OH MY GOD I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF NOW!!!
>>96607730>>96607812>>96607843>>96607890>>96607918>nihilist doomer when he encounters the hope of a better tomorrow
>>96607962>>Orks>"Orks already won!"Based and true
>>96607938>he says while posting unofficial fanart
>>96607944don't mistake the fanbase of a faction for that one or two autists that make it the priority of their free day to parade around their biased interpretation of some cropped line of text out of some pathological need to prove themselves right for once in their lives.
>>96607961>only an eternity of carnage and slaughter. And the laughter of thirsting godsrookie mistake, that's not chaos, that's gork and mork.
>>96607950>Same intro that the Emperor is the master of mankind "by the will of the gods"Fun quote, not a good description of the actual setting.
>>96607971I like franchises with hope of a better tomorrow. I fucking love star trek (not nutrek fuck nutrek) and love hopecore capeshit for example. I just don't expect hope in 40k. If I'm in the mood for hope, I'll go read and watch shit that gives me a better feeling of hope than 40k ever could, I engage with 40k when I'm in the mood for a brutal, hopeless, miserable setting where my funny guys fight your funny guys in close combat with chainswords and axes and lasers and shit.
>>96607985Don't forget their third god, Ork Buddha
>>96607988How's it wrong? The emperor stole his power from the Chaos Gods.
>>96607991Cool story. But hope light exist in 40k and always have.
>>96607976>>96607985based orkchads
>>96606405I shall repost then
>>96608002If it was their will, he wouldn't have needed to steal it, anon.
Fun Fact; Valedor ends with a poweeful Farseer looking to the future of the Eldar race, and feeling immense joy and hope in what he sees.And then Gav wrote the Ynnari plot.
hope light lol lmao
>>96607991>Culture war buzzword culture war buzzword culture war buzzwordYou unironically need to go the fuck outside and touch grass if this is how you communicate to people and are this wrapped up in the fan culture of fictitious settings.
>>96608002>The emperor stole his power from the Chaos Gods.Nulore, ignore.
>>96608012Doesn't the Ynnari plot retcon a lot of Valedor?
>>96607999that's bork, the shouting teacherolder brother of dork, the silent teachertogether they're nemesis of cork and fork, gods of the earth and seas
>>96607991>If I want hope I will consoom some other media, I have a media for each mood you see because I must always consoom
>>96607959Same thing. Which just proves my point. Why do devastators need to suck or get squatted when havocs and retributors are still around just fine?
>>96608023its old fluff anon
>>96608024It retcons basically all of it.
>>96608036It's not.
>>96608012Obviously the farseer just sees himself getting some sweet ass.
>>96608035because marine players suck it all up anyway and meltatator/heavy flamanator would sound stupid in modern gw naming convention
>>96608035Because GW hates us anon and our peers will buy it anyway.
>>96608042Its literally in the opening text box for Rogue Trader you fucking faggot
Fact: people who play tau or salamanders fundamentally don’t understand the hobby because they want to be “good guys”
>>96608023>LE BUZZWORDAsk me how I know you're a 20 something year old who hopped in the game during 10th
>>96607988emperor getting stuck on the throne has only helped the chaos gods creating an eternal cycle of carnage and misery that feeds them more than the age of strife ever could.imagine not thinking that they're totally happy with the emperor sitting on the throne forever while tricking their cucked slaves into thinking that they actually want him gone so they'll keep fighting the imperium. it's not even 4d chess it's just extremely basic misery farming on the part of the gods
>>96608046That only makes it even more unnecessary. If they'll buy anything anyways then why ruin the existing stuff for the people that like it?
>>96608012Gav saw the Eldar get a novel people actually enjoyed and felt personally attacked. It's not a coincidence that the two Craftworlds featured in Valedor just so happened to get the shit kicked out of them in the Ynnari plotline. Gav is a petty loser.
>>96608030>i only consoom 40k, and 40k should give me all the moods and tones i need for every kind of story even when it doesn't fit
>>96608065Bad guys are cooler, yeah.
>>96608065That's why you should always smash their minis and tell them to gtfo, anon.
>>96608073Being the master of mankind is not the same thing as being on the throne. He was the master of mankind before his internment.
>>96608075because it forces them to rebuy in primaris but only 1-2 weapon options at a time out of previous 4+
>>96608064Irrelevant.
>>96608065Man I play salamanders because I want to spam melta and flamers and beat things with hammers and have a hardon for mechanized infantry.
>>96608068>le buzzwordNotice how you didn't say I was wrong however.
>>96608078>Gav is a petty loser.You shitpost, but after the Nemiel incident I realized he unironically is when his responde to people criticizing him for it on reddit was literally 'well haha too bad I'm the BL author and you're not.'
>>96608092>hey guys let's hatch a scheme to have this fucker we don't like become the master of mankind, then he gets put on life support forever so he can't actually stop us while we farm his nightmare empire for negative emotions for eternity. we'll even trick some of his guys into worshipping us so they can fight against his guys because war fuels us in various ways.
>>96608094That's not really efficient for GW either. You still need to buy as many devastator boxes to get a Squad of every weapon but GW only needs to design and have space in the warehouse for one kit instead of half a dozen.
>>96608098Notice how you didn't say I was wrong either, you fake ass grog.
>>96608101Not him but every black library author is like that. Idk why but they seem to get annoyed when anyone likes something they don't or likes something they didn't personally have a hand in. Even the "good" ones like ADB do it.
If you had to run a single 10 man terminator squad which one would you choose? Normal or assault with hammer and shield?
>>96608123>ADB>good
>>96608078>It's not a coincidenceI think the featuring of two craftworlds from Apocalypse War Zone: Valedor in Gathering Storm: Fracture of Biel-Tan actually might be completely incidental to the personal opinion of both Guy Haley and Gav Thorpe.
>>96608078gav recognized that killing off a chaos god would ruin the setting and make chaos seem even more toothless and non-threatening than it already is, but he couldn't retcon the ynnari so he instead did the next best thing and fucked them over so they'd never achieve that goal. based gav
>>96608123They're writing corporate slop with close to no literary merit, or course they're gonna be defensive about it
>>96608139As if you know anything about novels with literary merit.
What were they thinking?
>>96608130Ten Assault Terminators with Hammer and Shields is 40 wounds to chew through with a 2+ Save and a 4+ Invulnerable save. Led by a Chaplain you can improve their melee, or if led by a Captain you can reroll their charges. The only issue from there is getting them into position to do anything lmao.
>>96608035Yeah IMO Marines army's dont need devastators , they have alot - one Gun squads
>>96608133I used quotes for a reason but people in these threads will occasionally glaze him or ADB but they're all the same trash to me.
>>96608153>we have customers who buy whatever we make regardless of what we do
Battle sisters with fluffy hair
>>96608153they weren't
>>96608130Hammer and shield- bolters are basically peashooters and the extra wound from the shield makes all the difference when there's 3 damage attacks lurking around everywhere. Plus Lysander rerolling everything to fish for devs in his detachment is solid.
>>96608113>n-no uI accept your concession.
>>9660815610 normal terminators is 40 storm bolter shots (at s5 in firestorm) + 4 missile shots + 30 powerfist attacks which makes them less vulnerable to being useless if they fail their deepstrike charge. But is it worth it? I'm just wondering how to build the squads in the new box, if separate or combined.
>>96608153>10/10 woman in bongland
>>96608177>in his detachment is solid.Is it worth running by itself? I mainly just run firestorm so I don't know how to build around a first company detachment. I don't really want sternguard or bladeguard.
>>96608153'lets release a special character for Dark Eldar'
>the psychic vampire elves look like degenerated ghoulsI'm shocked honestly
>>96608199Also I kitbashed my own lysander before they announced the model update so I'm ready. With the new box I'll have 10 normal terminators, 10 assault, lysander, a captain, a chaplain, an ancient and a librarian so I can run whatever.
>>96608212the psychic vampire elves in question are also very often incredibly beautiful, in theory
>>96608184GW should make real primaris terminators next.Like a completely new termie armor pattern, just say that the STC schematic was found on some planet during the Indomitus crusade and was recently put into construction.
>>96608212Her face proportions don’t even look Eldar though it’s just a bad painting of a face in general, look at the position of the eyes and how low the brow is. It’s bad work.
>>96608153I can fix her
>>96608184The issue is that with AP 0 Storm Bolters, Terminators will have a hard time doing any meaningful shooting into things that aren’t infantry. Maybe attach a Librarian to give sustained hits so you can brute force the odds, but Terminator shooting is the reason why everyone wants a buff for them, as their melee is fine, even powerful with the Assault Terminators.
>>96607475Saturnines are cool and they made sure to sensibly explain their ridiculous pauldrons even
>>96608153I don't know if you know this, but all women look like that when viewed from below. Women are short for a reason.
I still think bolt weapons should have been bumped to S5 baseline
>>96607118Honestly, if grotesques weren't eliminated from the codex, a small squad of them would have made this combat patrol perfect.
>>96608258>S5 >AP -1 >D2 There, Bolters are fixed now.
>>96608241>>96608153Also it's straight up just a man face and body with some bad tit job stapled on.
>>96608252I suspect they'll be AP -1 or some rebalancing to AP overall will be done next edition.
>>96608294>>96608294>>96608294NEW BREAD
>>96608297What are you doing
>>96608289They could have very easily fixed it if they wanted to. This was an aesthetic choice.
>>96608289>>96608308Its just that artist, he's got a history of manfacing it
>>96608153who cares its art you're going to look at once and forget about, especially when the model is generally agreed upon to be pretty good for a female GW model
>>96608184do imperial terminators have anything to get lethal hits? It helps my CSM ones when they're not in melee range
>>96608326No.
>>96608280congratulations, now marines are too frail
>>96608240No thanks. That's gravis.
>>96608297>page 5>shitpost thread image>worthless thread question
>>96608252>into things that aren’t infantryMaybe I'm too accustomed to 30k but isn't that fine? You need to be able to deal with infantry too and termies seem to do decent against everything of their size or smaller. And against vehicles they can at least do something with S8 powerfists. Wounding on 5s yeah but it's 30 attacks. Better if chainfists.
>>96608258>>96608290They should have been -1AP since 8th which would fot with their AP5 translation but bolt rifles needed to both exist and be better than boltguns so they got made worse on purpose.
>>96608199>Is it worth running by itselfProbably if the best player in my store shittalked the detachment but still picked up a Lysander off of his winnings. Of course, he runs stupid shit all the time and wins with it simply because he's a very solid player, so who the hell actually knows?>>96608229Neato
>>96606696If you haven't noticed they have been refreshing all their range for like 10 years now, tourist.
>>96608349My dude this is THE vehicle edition.
>>96608297>page 5>garbage bait image>still seething after being btfo 12 hours ago
>>96608368Doesn't mean every single unit in your army has to be anti tank. There will be anti tank supporting those terminators.
>>96608367To be fair they only started actually refreshing units in 10th. Before that all the units were weird equivalents that made older units redundant but weren't really the same unit, just filled the same niche.
>>96607682Tzeentch daemons. Although FEC from AoS are top-tier schizo kings
>>96608297>page 5
>>96606696>why is GW nostalgiabaiting so hard since 10th ed?A lot of GW's current cast is sculptors are fans of old sculpts. See the IG Commissar looking more like an RT Commissar instead of the Napoleonic Cavalry Officer outfit the Commissars had after RT acquired.
>>96607914seems like a great way to boost their popularity then by giving them jagathai on a leash
>>96608424it should be like that one fan continuation of 40k where jaghatai has been cut up into a dozen pieces with his body parts held as trophies by powerful archons because charging into enemy territory with no support is the sort of thing that should get you properly fucked up
>>96608349The difference between 30k & 40k is in 30k you have weapons that straight up can't wound vehicles so you need genuinely dedicated anti tank (lascannons, powerfist, etc.) Alternatively in 40k all melee can wound vehicles on 6s, so you might as well take cheaper more anti infantry centric options like Bladeguard since wounding on a 6 isn't that off from wounding from a 5 the way terminator powerfists do into vehicles, so you might as well take the cheaper of the two with a few more attacks. They just shat the bed really hard on 'anti vehicle' melee options in 10th for marines- unless you've got tricks to boost your strength or hit averages like Blood Angels or CSM, you're better off not bothering with premier anti vehicle infantry guys like terminators.
>>96608137Pretty sure Gav is the guy who invented the Ynnead shit to begin with, in the 3rd edition codex. So no, not based Gav.
>>96608431im still more keen to the coven idea since primarch flesh would be put to better use even a component of stronger abominations or simillar hobby projects
>Intercessors have a rule that just buffs their rifles to openly outshoot a storm bolter in all wayshaha what the fuck
>>96608453I think they were doing that as well as he was still alive because of advanced xeno tech, then vulkan had to use necron tech to patch him together if I remember right
>>96608442>wounding on a 6 isn't that off from wounding from a 5It's a 50% increase.
>>96608349The problem is overkill. You don’t need a Terminator Squad to deal with regular infantry, when a squad of Intercessors can do just fine for less than half the points. Elite Infantry tend to also have high enough toughness and good enough armor saves where the shooting phase feels like a formality. The reason why Assault Terminators are considered the better of the two is that they lean into the strengths of the Terminator at the expense of the lack luster shooting, being big chunky dudes with good melee profiles.
>>96608454They wanted to copy fury of the legion but fucked up.
>>96608467>It's a 50% increase
>>96608469So a good points discount would make them mote atractive? I'm just more familiar with 30k's stat breakpoints. They make a lot more sense to me than 40k's since 8th.
>>96608480Rolling a 6 is 17% success. A 5+ is 33%. That's literally double the odds.
>>96608454They need to give storm bolters a better statline
>>96608258>>96608280Wound and toughness creep isn't enough for marines, you need a huge damage buff to your baseline weapons too? Shut the fuck up.
>>96608492Yeah, but going from a 1 in 6 to a 2 in 6 really isn't a statistically significant increase, especially when you take into account the fact that melee units like jump pack intercessors or bladeguard have more attacks as well as other tricks to do damage
>>96608483Nah, people wouldn’t mind paying more if their shooting was better.
if im running space marines should i always go jump pack intercessors over regular intersessors? ik an argument can be made for assault but.......
>>96608483A points discount wouldn't fix the issue either I think since 'make thing cheaper' doesn't change the fact that terminators are really lackluster into tanks- they need a rule to buff them whenever they fight large targets to justify their existence since all they really do is overkill infantry.
>>96608026>GORK & MORK>BORK & DORK>CORK & FORK>PORK & JORK>ZORK & SORK>WORK & TORK>YORK & NORK
>>96608563They're two different units with 2 different functions. Regular intercessors are something you use to sticky cap objectives and hold your backline points. Assault intercessors are objective contesters/chaff clearers.
>>96608531Anon it's double the chance. Unless those other units have twice the attacks of a powerfist they don't do more damage than powerfists. That's assuming they even have D2.
>>96608563“Optimal” lists usually bring one squad of each.
>>96608563>should i always go jump pack intercessors over regular intersessors?They do different jobs, but are both very good. I would need to know more about your army to give further advice between the two units.
>>96608619Bladeguard are (after a nerf btw) the same cost as terminators and have 10 extra attacks and a hit reroll with the same damage and ap. I don't even have to do the math to tell you that makes up for wounding on 6s instead of 5s against big targets, so when you take into account that they just clear chaff better by default they're always going to be the better option, doubly so when you take into account that they're faster and have more oc/bodies.>That's assuming they even have D2.Why even refute me if you don't know jack shit about these profiles and are just talking out your ass?
>>96607824>Even loyal and greatest heroes of the Imperium get not only defeated, but also mutilated, enslaved and turned against Mankind It would be a grimdark kinoIf he returns normally it will be a cringeworthy marvelslop
>>96608726And to make matters worse, you have Oath Of Moment giving a +1 to wound, which helps terminators a little bit sure, but for things that don't wound infantry on 2s already like Bladeguard or Jump Packs it's a MASSIVE all around buff to them compared to terminators, making termies feel that much shittier unless they have some specific boost like Deathwing Knights (who don't have to contend with a +1 to wound and have anti vehicle/monster) or (maybe) Darnath.
>>96608726termies reroll hits vs oath target. rerolling 1s is basically nothing, it just feels good.24 attacks vs 15 attacks that hit twice as often.but you can take 2x3 BGV
I just read my first BL Slop book (The one about the Lion waking up in 40k) and it was surprisingly quite good. Void battles were a bit dry but otherwise solid.Are the rest of the BL books in the moden era like this?
>>96608400Should 40k have FEC? I think it could be fun.
>>96608767>termies reroll hits vs oath targetSo does EVERYTHING, that buff is irrelevant to the conversation.
>>96608809>quirky shitmar i am silly factionWhat do you think?
>>96608822you're right, 40k doesn't deserve to have overtly verbose things, itd make it fun.
>>96608809there should be a version of it yes, in the form of a Necron flayer-court subfaction expansion.
>>96608839>They don't know how much more fun it'd be if the game were more like thing that has failed to gain an audience after 10 years of existence
>>96608785its very hit or miss. I'd recommend the Bile and Cawl books. the final Dawn of Fire book, The Silent King, is decent enough and completely standalone. Lords of Silence is great.
the only time I have ever seen a single flesh-eater courts model in all my years of 40k is when someone used one of their crypt-things as a grotesque conversion piece, but even now that's squatted
>>96608890seethe
>>96608915Show that one to your playgroup, I'm sure all 2 of them will laugh and go 'hell yeah Sigmar-Sister'
>>96608973>t.nogames
>>96608973projecting?
>>96608980>>96608999Holy shit, we're being raided by half of the guys from the /aosg/
>no deals on ebay anymore>no deals on trolltrader>fb market isn't used here>just want cheap bitssadge
>>96609108alex-wargames1
I’ve always dreamed of making an entire army with nothing but, or mostly, Terminators. Do you guys think I could make a halfway decent list now that we have Lysander and the Emperor's Shield detachment?
>>96609163just play grey knights
>>96609108>when buying bits is almost as much as buying a new kit
>>96608098Nobody cares enough about your retard babble to waste time refuting it or engaging it in any honest argument.
>page 8Do we go to the throod or bake new?
>>96609442Someone made an early thread way back on page 5. Might as well burn that one before clogging the board up with another.>>96608294
