Hobbying Edition>Community Links:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/https://www.unitcrunch.comhttps://www.newrecruit.euhttps://wahapedia.ru>3rd Party Models Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/Q33bkBUh>Pre 10th Torrent:Info hash: d91d8b9daa9c5dc9105fc0ec09812cbc17a752b5>10th Edition Rules:https://gofile<dot>io/d/9LvQTLhttps://mega<dot>nz/folder/Em0Rmb7I#4GR-B7y4cu5nCB5QziXM4A>How to make wargames terrain:https://gofile.io/d/s99zDV>Secret Level Animation:https://gofile.io/d/J7muqs>Secret Santa:https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jNMk0oCTOWQkXxVetQqP-_mrNLjzggRR9wnmwkPMkM/edit?tab=t.0Previous thread: >>96611651>Thread Question:Got a hobby tip and/or technique to share with us all?
>>96614247>TQmix speedpaint medium with an ArmyPainter wash. Dilutes the filtering effect but somehow makes the flowing properties more flowy.
Let chaos idols take this thread
>>96614247>Got a hobby tip and/or technique to share with us all?Shading the white on your model helps to give it definition and depth
take 2 monolithsno player prepares themselves for 2 monoliths
>>96614266kek
>TQorange is unironically the magic color for painting skin, it mixes well with everything and is a fantastic general basecoat. "Pale Skin" type paints are a trap in my experience and can ruin a paintjob if you overapply it and turn your model into a ghoul
Do you think we could use more topless marine options like the Eightbound?
>>96614247Make threads at page 8 next time, and mix up the op images themes a bit more.
>>96614281I need evidence that supports this. This is too good to be true.
>>96614263What is she eating?
>>96614247>TQNEVER purely use contrast to colour something, regardless of what it isalways apply the amount of coats you want first, then cleanup with a similar looking base/layer paint (usually a drybrush will do)then apply your highlights
>>96614247little plastic hobby chain is super cheap and wrapping everything in chains always looks cool>>96614263This image should be a bannable offense.
>>96614283No
If there are chaos gods for Disease, Trickery, Violence and Lust...Are there any opposite gods? You know, for Healing/Vitality, Truth, Peace and, er, Love/Abstinence?Also do you think GW has plans for Isha and/or that last crone sword?
>>96614288Brown is just dark orange so it makes sense i guess
>>96614300why?
>TQFucking plan what you're gonna do. Measure 10 times cut once type shit.Don't half-ass your shit, your models are a direct window into what kind of person you are.A quality person does quality hobby, haphazardly done minis tell people all they need to know.
>tqmix together a pot of reikland fleshshade, ttc flesh wash and lahmian medium for a really well behaving wash you can use to shade both light skin and gold with
>>96614301there were the gods of law at one point
>>96614288honestly just mix red with your skintones and it'll look good 99% of the time unless you go super pale
>>96614293Vegemite toast
>>96614305people like marines for the armorsasymmetrical/gladiatorial armors would be fine, no armors is lame
>>96613709>And of all the possible tanks to be stuck in, a Leman Russ was probably the worst. People spoke of it as the Pride of the Imperium, the greatest battle tank in human history, the mainstay of the Great Crusade. Was it shit. A Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader – the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. >The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero.>No, whoever had designed the Leman Russ – Kaska had always assumed it wasn’t actually the primarch of the VI – was a moron. Or a sadist. Or both. The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability and a certain rugged survivability in numbers. The design was so brutally simple that the Imperium was able to churn them out by the million. It mattered less that each individual unit was a study in self-harm when you could overwhelm a battlefield with hundreds of them. And a front-mounted lascannon at least could keep firing as long as its power packs held a charge, which made running out of shells somewhat less of a disaster.
>>96614284Honestly I think admins need to allow for more images to be posted per thread on tg.After all part of the fun here is showing off our models. Even if they do get drowned out by memes and reaction images.
>>96614313Still are in fantasy, at least nominally, but they were never a thing in 40k.
>>96614327>Still, all in all, the crews had few illusions about the tanks they rode into war. Deathboxes, they were called, and homewreckers, and other, earthier, names too. Infantry troopers would occasionally look askance at them, jealous of all that thick armour they had around them, but a Leman Russ tanker knew how fragile it all was really, and how going out to a las-blast was far preferable to being burned alive or buried under a wall of mud or suffocated by trapped engine smoke.
>>96614284>Make threads at page 8 next time,That's only for if we don't reach image limit, which we did.
>>96614263Fuck off
>>96614301>You know, for Healing/Vitality, Truth, Peace and, er, Love/Abstinence?Isha.For trurh you had Asuryan.Slaanesh pretty much killed all the Good gods.
>>96614344Just report it
>>96614301It doesn't work like that, really nurgle embodies both extremes of his domains, for example, blending life and death of course since that mix is chaotic and extreme it ends up being deadly and incompatible with what people consider goodin chaos, there can be too much of a good thing
>>96614281Not orange exactly, but most flesh paints have some yellow and red in them which make orange of course. VMC Beige Red is my favourite colour for base coating flesh, then highlight by mixing in a pale flesh colour then use a very thin reddy/purpley/burgundy colour as a filter/wash to add life.
>>96614247>TQYou can make shadows look a lot more interesting by adding hints of different tones to them. For example, purple works well for gold and turquoise, blue for steel/silver and burgundy etc. It's particularly effective for skin because irl skin has a huge number of different tones in it, varying from purple, pink and even green.
>>96614260I should have posted an example of this kind of acrylic mixture in action.I'm sorry guys.Here:https://youtu.be/YBQvcezm1ik?t=609
>>96614305It looks like ass and the reason why people like space marines is because of power armor.When you remove over half of the power armor there's no point and they are just shirtless dudes in pants.
>>96614332they're mentioned in the chaos source bible
>>96614322>>96614377Nah muscles are great and the fact 40K is lacking in them is a fucking crime.
>>96614327>>96614334Something tells me the author hates imperium, but can't refuse a paycheck for writing about it.
Was becoming the Dark King part of the Golden Path originally and the Emperor just turned away from it at the last moment the same way Paul Atreides did in Messiah when he chose not to embrace the destiny of Kwisatz Haderach? Does that make Abaddon the Leto II necessary evil of the setting to ensure human ascension?
>>96614390I doubt Chris Wraight hates the Imperium, he just likes it when things are grimdark and shitty
>>9661438340k isn't lacking in them. They were posted above with the WE models. There are plenty of examples from other factions that include them, too. If people want that aesthetic they can play that faction.Not every faction needs to have every aesthetic. Marines are there for power armor, not muscles.
>>96614309Have fun, sit down to paint whatever you feel like at the time, don't worry about plans or structures this is a hobby not a project with a deadline (usually). If you're not stressing yourself out with needing to be "full ass" all the time then you'll probably paint more often and get more done.
>>96614283Naw, it works for eightbound because they're possessed and blood crazed, makes them look wild. But not in character for loyalists say.
>>96614263
>>96614247>TQ: Never give up
>>96614288Use a color picker on a photo, skin is very desaturated reddish orange
>>96614301the opposite of khorne (mindless action/force for its own sake) is slaanesh (fixation on form and subjectivity)the opposite of nurgle (stagnation and acceptance) is tzeentch (change and hope)
Got my ass wrecked by Custodes last week but it was my first game back after taking a 5 month break (had a baby). This was also my first game at the local store using tournament terrain. I 100% understand why it plays better but I really do prefer my scratch built or 3d printed stuff even if it does make LOS harder to block. All in all pretty good experience and my opponent was a pretty cool guy. How have your games been going?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mx9puail/conquer-your-own-corner-of-commorragh-with-codex-drukhari-crusade-rules/
>>96614453>Narrative is all about making your own dude>If you're successful, your dude just gets killedThis feels like they're make fun of DEldar players
>>96614453Necromunda?
>>96614453>crusade
WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR STUPID DARK ELDARLOOK AT ALL THOSE MOTHER FUCKING TERMINATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH I CAN'T WAIT TO PRE ORDER THEM
>>96614482This but unironically.
Asking again before I go to sleep, is it worth doing the secret santa as a Kiwi in NZ, don't want to saddle someone with shipping costs
>>96614497If you really want to join one, join the /wip/ one in october.There's usually a lot more people and you can be paired up with someone closer, like japan.
>>96614482damn you can't even run 60 terminators/assault terminators in a 2k list. they seem kinda overpriced for their power
Let's make a memelist to celebrate the new terminators. Starting with Lysander, an ancient and a 10 man brick of assault terminators with hammer and shield inside a spartan we got 850 points already. What do we fill the rest of the list with? What detachment, the new Lysander detachment or something else?
>>96614453James should push crusade as the main gamemode of 40k
>>96614482I've been out of GW 4 years, how much will those termies cost now?
>>96614334Man I need to learn how to do photoedits like those. I always loved that aesthetic and will forever be sad that Imperial Armour was killed. For a while around 4th it even looked like the main 40k studio was gonna switch to that aesthetic but no.
>>96614482They genuinely can't do walking poses that don't look like they're falling over.
>>96614482Terminators are kino and this release is more important than the entirety of the dark eldar range
>>96614538About 50-60€ per 5.>>96614536I like crusade but even that gamemode suffers from 10th's shrimplification.
>>96614542Termies are known for their dynamic poses.
>>96614247>TQReverse highlighting is a game changer.
>>96614457It fits Dark Eldar well though. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume there's more to the Price of Success table than they're showing us. Maybe a way to bring your archon back to the order of battle or things that simulate him leading from the shadows.
>>96614551>About 50-60€ per 5.Fuck, I'd love to have a place to put a 3D printer without getting cancer.
>>96614453>Your Archon succeeding in their plots means they get removed from your roster and either killed or press-ganged into Vect's service at best They really hate DE.
>>96614546True but but they are more important than any other army in 40k since they're the number 1 kit that represents the pinnacle of what it means to be a space marine and their warrior monk chapters. But dark eldar are the best 'pure evil' sci-fi race/species GW makes. They're so evil in a way that makes sense and they're home is just as insane as them
>>96614563Anon if half of the table is "Your leader died or vanished lol" they aren't going to put in methods for bringing the leader back.
Okay this is actually funny
>>96614247>TQPlease think abaut what armes you wish to run>BTWPlease talk me out of starting AdMech army. (Even if small and vehicle focused) I may have an Paintjob though out but I already have too big pile of shame.
>>96614247>TQIf you want to paint some simple volumetrics, photograph your mini with light coming from an angle you want to paint. Increase the contrast of the picture and you'll have a nice reference on what you should shade and highlight.
>>96614453We might have a contender for worst crusade mechanic lmao.
>>96614590wasn't vect dead but then ressurected? or something with Mandrakes?
>>96614590In Australia we call this 'tall poppy syndrome'. We don't like people who are too succesful.Vect is Australian
>>96614590your choices matter
>>96614600No.When Yvraine got resurrected by Ynnead it broke the Gate of Khaine and allowed a huge Daemonic invasion to happen in Commoragh. It completely blindsided Vect and he seemed to disappear in the chaos. Then the Mandrakes did a weird ass ritual that pushed the invasion back into the Gate because even Daemons don't fuck with voodoo shadow magic. In the aftermath Vect re-appeared but faith in his powerbase diminished greatly.
>>96614606lol, nice reference.
Okay, a Gangs of Commoragh side game sounds like it could actually be a lot of fun.
>>96614283No, unarmored marines are boring as fuck.
>>96614383Scunts. Always and forever my beloved scunts. >>96614390I think the character changes her mind by the end of the book. Critiquing the Russ, which has a clear artistic vision, on realistic grounds though is a strange choice. Ya, it's a bad tank if you think about it 'realistically' since it's made to look like a great war tank but in space. It's pointless, and almost as stupid as people who criticize the Rhino & predators.
>>96614283Could work for CSM as POW slave soldier loyalist astartes, or just utterly broke CSM used as fodder/ punished marines who failed. Not just topless space marines but space marines with no power armour or armour whatsoever
Putting together the last dude for the squad.
>>96614283No, fuck off.
Vect has too much of a presence for a man with no model.
>>96614666I'm kinda of surprised he was even mentioned in the codex and campaign rules. Feels like GW want to squat him
>>96614247>TQYou have to get your validation from others if you want to improve.
>>96614453What if your ascendant lord is a haemonculus? Or a succubus? These rules are only thematically appropriate for an archon and his kabal. I don't like this.
>>96614641I felt like a smart guy noticing it at first, but looking more into it, it’s not exactly a secret that Imperium tanks are based on WW1 British designs. Back then, a infantrymen with a molotov cocktail was a serious threat to a tank, would make sense that Imperium tanks would have similar flaws.
>>96614441>sisters anon lost vs CustardsSAD. I was looking forward to how it played
>>96614453Cute ganger
>>96614301Isha is the closest thing to a god of healing we have.The Emperor is set to be either a god of nihilism, tyranny, and oblivion, or a god of faith, fanaticism, and loyalty.The Tau’va will end up as a goddess of the Greater Good, embodying order, progress, communion, and self-sacrifice.Ynnead will be the benevolent goddess of death
>>96614668I think it lends credence to the 11th edition refresh rumors. Why refresh the main guy in 10th edition when you could sell him alongside a whole new model line up?
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>96614697Doubt it. Corsairs are a decent consolation prize though.
>>96614453That chick is qt. Is that the same artist that made Malys? Because then I need some explanation on wtf is going on
>>96614482come back when there is a new box of wyches and kabalites. You should pray that it is not a downgrade to those nearly perfect boxes.
>>96614407>quantity over qualityAll I needed to know
>>96614658Kino.
I really wish kill team was good and not a bloated mess
>>96614590I think this is great, and very flavorful. And if you don't want it to happen, either just fucking skip it (coming up with an appropriate narrative reason, like your dude striking a deal with Vect or just being awesome enough that removing him is too costly) or never take control of all the districts.
>>96614658Nice, there's just something visually appealing about firstborn
>>96614586Your archon survives in two of the results. They both allow for your archon to lead his Kabal from the shadows; either while feigning subservience to Vect or hiding from him. It'd be a cool direction to take it.
>>96614746They remind me more of a Toy than a model
>playing Darktide instead of painting my modelsforgive me star children
I firmly believe 11th would improve by a lot just by going back to the additive S/T table and old AP system. Currently strength breakpoints have tons of gaps which make weapon balance a mess and rending AP makes armour so useless things need invuls or fnp to actually feel tough and sometimes not even that. Vastly reducing the wound and dame numbers would also help with keeping breakpoints sensible.
>>96614327>>96614334Honestly this makes sense. The Imperial Guard runs on quantity over quality. It makes sense that their tanks would essentially use the same logic. The T-34 of Warhammer 40k essentially.
>>96614679Ah I was just dumb with picking secondaries (first time playing the new mission cards). I would have tabled him (stopped at turn 4) but he did a great job playing secondaries while I just went full retard trying to force him off objectives. Never played Custodes before and I think it would be a much closer game now that I know how they work.
>>96614327>The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability>mechanical reliabilityYet the rest of this homebrew text goes on to describe how shit they are
>>96614767>Guardsmen cannot damage plague terminators
>>96614759Honestly it's the opposite for me, primaris always just seem like an armoured action man or action figure.
>>96614441Played Final Day against CSM (pactbound). Lictors are just stupid good, and in the game one somehow managed to take down a forgefiend. He had a big possessed brick and a big chosen brick with Fabius in it (pictured) that failed a 6" charge along with the legionaries next to them also failing a short charge, which was really bad for him. But his possessed brick traded for a lictor (oof) and his warp talons just couldn't contest properly, since a 5-man warp talon unit just absolutely can't afford charging into a lictor. We talked afterwards, and while it's a tricky matchup (he just gets so massively activation-locked by the huge amounts of units I was bringing) he probably would have done better if he didn't fail that charge and pushed his forgefiends up more aggressively and used them to clear the lictors off, since I would have had trouble responding to that, rather than letting me pile Aberrants and metamorphs into his infantry hammers.
>>96614808And of course I forget the damn picture.
>>96614735Bloated how? Seems like a pretty simple ruleset once you get a few games under your belt.
>Imperium tanks are T-34’s>Necron Tanks are Tigers>Tau tanks are Shermans >Ork tanks are (insert any Italian or Japanese tank)
>>96614795Scaling back the S/T breakpoints means dg termies don't need to have +3T over a regular marine to actually jump a breakpoint.
>>96614697I wonder what its like to be one of the bird boys.
>>96614567Just vent a hose out your window?
>>96614767knight meta would be way worse if guard armies cannot damage them
>>96614827They would be able to damage them with actual antitank weapons. The current breakpoints being so ass that it's more reliable to kill tanks with lethal hits lasguns is degenerate and an obvious design flaw.
>>96614827Oh no, armies actually have to take anti tank to deal with tanks rather than relying on mass fire chip damage.
>>96614767Your belief is wrong and retarded.
>>96614838You should try 30k, it might open your eyes to the things we've lost.
>>96614849>you should try the dead game
>>96614767>rending AP makes armour so useless things need invuls or fnp to actually feel toughAs opposed to things needing invulns, fnp and re-rollable cover saves to feel tough because AP just straight up removes all saves and AP2 and 1 is common out the ass?
>>96614853Oh you're just here to be inflammatory.Do you even play 40k, or am I right to assume you're just a secondary?
>>96614836you'll never have enough anti tank to beat knights and then also deal with hoarde armies with the same list
>>96614838How? Do you actually enjoy that weapons need increasingly high S to get to the next weapon making S6 to S9 the exact same against tanks for example? How are you supposed to properly balance them with so much dead space while also not making them completely destroy other brackets unintentionally?
>Vehicles are already very strong this edition>"Vehicles should be even tankier and have less counterplay!"?
>>96614855You work off the premise of AP2 being spammable when it shouldn't. AP2 should also have so little RoF it won't work against anything but tanks or extremely elite infantry, which is its intended target.
>>96614836It takes like 300 lasgun shots WITH lethal hits to bring down a Knight. This is not as big of an issue as you're making it.
>>96614860Which is why playing the objective has always been the most consistent way of beating knights when they're not in the main meta.
>>96614867This would change nothing for vehicles but i would make antitank weapons way less efficient at killing infantry, giving you an actual reason to take both to diversify potential targets.
>>9661476711th needs to move to d12 honestly.
How are your collage pieces going?
>>96614877Not really. Would do the same thing extending the toughness limit did in 10th: creating dead space between the actual important breakpoints.
>>96614860You've never beaten knights by tabling them. Not even now. That changes nothing.
Making a prediction right now:>The Tau’s 5th expansion sphere against Ultramar will largely be a failure>The Tau might take a few border worlds, but Guilliman will draw so many resources to defend his homeland that it’ll turn into a heavy war of attrition and the Tau will stop their advance, deciding it’s not worth the cost>Meanwhile 6th expansion sphere set to happen concurrently with the 5th will be a success>With most resources and attention drawn towards Ultramar the Tau will be able to take hundreds of worlds with relatively little opposition on that front>Things settle down afterwards as the Tau move to consolidate their gains, and the Ethereals decide to try to work with the Tau’va against newly encroaching daemons
>>96614767>rending AP makes armour so useless things need invuls or fnp to actually feel tough and sometimes not even thatThat was more true before they changed it.
I think they should go back to 7th ed, remove invisibility, and only use 6th ed and pre-necron codexes.
>>96614908Stopped reading after seeing the word tau
>>96614908My prediction is that the Tau will have a single shout-out in 11th stating they're still getting ready to attack Ultramar but they won't actually do anything yet, and they'll just get a new upgrade sprue for Crisis Suits to use before being immediately forgotten for the rest of the edition.
>>96614882Beautiful.
>>96614796I just purchased some firstborn Death Squad Jumpers well painted and they are a treat.
The imperium supposedly adds hundreds of planets every year so a million worlds really is just meant to mean "a fuck ton." There are probably much more than that. It's not even really an empire, more like a culture that spreads and sometimes pays tithes to Terra, sometimes not
>>96614930I don't know what those are, unless you're talking about death company?
>>96614908I assume that entire subplot was just an excuse to introduce Guilliman to the Tau and they won't invade Ultramar
>>96614696fair point. I just have a fools hope Vect is primarch tier as a melee monster, while also having a supscious looking personal bodyguard grotesque that is overly large that also has primarch stats but has plasuible deniability of being a Jaggy
>>96614940My bad yes D company
>>96614910No because AP2 and AP3 were infinitely less common than AP-1 and AP-2 are now. Even 4+ saves were useful because the vast majority of small arms weren't better than AP5. And if tou had worse armour than that you had cheap numbers and cover saves to make up for it. Right now armour less valuable because even a basic bitch bolt pistol is moving your 2+ save to a 3+.
What are some Chaos Space Marine novels without Abaddon? And I do mean no mention of him at allFor like 2 books in a row now the story just stops, has an obligatory chapter where it jerks off Abaddon (which feel like they were written by the faggot himself) before continuing on with the actual storyIt just completely takes me out of whatever book I’m reading
>>96614934Congrats anon you understand the setting! Wish more people were like you
>>96614247>QOTTJust have fun!
>>96614908Gulliman was setting up Ultramar to be self sufficient after he left re-establishing the office of the Tetrarchs and stationing ten chapters who he told they could do what was necessary to secure their assigned realms. Calgar was as well felt guilty that the Plague Wars had reached a point that Gulliman had to detour from the Indomitus Crusade to save them. If the Tau expansion is ever explored, the Ultramarines and the other Chapters in Greater Ultramar would likely make a point to not rely on Gulliman’s help, even if it was availible.
>>96614590Dark Eldar have so much SOVL its insane, what is the space marine crusade rules again?>gain protagonist points that give you rerolls to hit and wound!
>>96614968I actually think most people have this idea that the imperium has been slowly losing territory and decaying, but if you do the math on hundreds of worlds a year you quickly reach millions of planets even if you include losses. Just pick a number and multiply it by 10k. That paints a very different picture of the Imperium, it's more like a constantly expanding space Skaven empire
>>96614977>ItS aN aEsThEtIc ChOiCe
>>96614934Depends on the role of the planet, but largely yeah.
>>96614986>I actually think most people have this idea that the imperium has been slowly losing territoryI think we could view this as as losing 'known' territory since no one can actually keep track of every imperial world and many known worlds are lost for centuries or decades in warp storms but are still there just not tithing.>and decayingWell it is decaying, its growing and decaying at the same time since if it was just rotting they'd be nothing left by now.Thought I don't think there are any new hive worlds since they take thousands of years to form and need DAOT as a base and the multi world supply system to keep them running
>>96614818necron tanks are pyramids
>>96614876Making vehicles immune to plinking is a vehicle buff.
>>96614977What are you planning on doing next with that model?
>>96614592vehicle admech sucks donkey shit on the tableonly archtype that kinda "works" for them is spamming 20-30 of each fiddly fucking ass skitarii elite infantry modelthink long and hard if you want to assemble and paint all that hot garbage
>>96615012Next, I'm glad you asked! It's unfinished, as you can no doubt tell. I need to paint and add in the stained glass front section of it next!
>>96614986>I actually think most people have this idea that the imperium has been slowly losing territory and decayingProbably because that's the heart of the setting, they are gaining territory but losing it faster
>>96614986The Imperium is basically the Russia of the setting. Massive empire, large population, but very underdeveloped and poor relative to its size.
>>96614727you only get better at painting by painting, not planning to paint and measuring over and over.
>>96614558It is, but it gets even better when you use it for specular rather than edge highlighting, and can then skip the basecoating phase entirely. Start small light and end big dark is way more forgiving in almost every situation.
>>96615034I’d say there are more imperial worlds but that’s different from them being worlds the “imperium” can mobilize or exploit. Countless planets with a population of a few billion that have the Imperial Cult as a religion and some legends about the “emperor’s angels” but have essentially no contact with the administration on Terra. Ironically the psychic awakening letting the emperor do more is probably the first sign many of these worlds have seen of the imperium in millennia. Imagine being a normie on such a planet and then randomly miracles from your parent’s religion start happening out of nowhere
>>96615008Anon nobody is killing vehicles by rolling 300 6s. And besides, making the table additve doesn't mean making things immune, you can extend the 6s like 2s already are. It just means breakpoints happen every point increase instead of needing double.
>>96615065Vehicles should be immune to all infantry fire accept the few obvious ones.
>>96614309>your models are a direct window into what kind of person you areYou know, now that I think about it, it would be a neat idea to try and guess each others characters based on our models
>>96615037Painting is a lot like grinding experience. Each model gives exp and finishing 10 models that give you 100exp each will level you up quicker than one model that takes 10 times as long to finish but gives 300exp. But at the same time eventually diminishing returns will mean those 100exp models are now only giving you 5exp and you need to paint models with higher level techniques to keep levelling.
>>96615059From what I remember the Macharius Crusade was the last major expansion of Imperial Territory, the Indomitus Crusade was mostly about regaining territory immediately lost following the fall of Cadia. They certainly are still gaining worlds, but usually regaining lost territory or discovering un-utilized planets within their existing borders.
>>96615071I agree. But in practice it doesn't really change anything, especially if you remove shit mechanics like being able to give lethal hits or dev wounds to weapons that don't have it innately. Having breakpoints every point is much more important and impactful.
>>96615076Agreed
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mkh26zdt/meet-the-lords-of-war-venturing-to-the-warhammer-40000-grand-narrative-this-week/>Curator of Solemnace. Thief of histories. Archivist who classifies wars the way lesser beings catalogue insects. Trazyn has pried relics from the surface of a dying world, bartered for the gene sire of an entire legion, and once traded a dynasty’s worth of phalanxes for a single data crystal said to contain the first sunrise. A self-styled historian of the Galaxy, Trazyn’s services are ever desired but never trusted. To other Necrons, he is both venerated scholar and nefarious pariah. >bartered for the gene sire of an entire legion,Who?
>>96615037If you continue to paint all your models to the same standard without ever trying to improve at a certain point you'll stop getting better
>>96615085Vulkan
>>96615083>>96615086nice timing lmao
>>96615085Clone-grim.
>>96615093Excuse me?
>>96615081Nah there’s stuff in codexes saying they add hundreds of planets a year, it’s not a crusade. They just get discovered or rediscovered by explorer fleets or Rogue Traders and then are brought into the imperium.
>>96615086In practice no one is going to maintain the same standard if they are painting consistently and don't have a strict plan that requires them to do things a particular way.
>>96615096It’s crazy how much fan interest there is in Clonegrim compared to GW. It almost makes me think he will be returned to the narrative just due to popularity
>>96615085>oldcrons were a terrifying force that swept aside all who faced them>nucrons just exist to pump out primarch hype
>>96615085He had a stock of pure Emperor's Children geneseed he traded for clonegrim
>>96615085he has a perfect uncorrupted clone of Fulgrim lying around in stasis
>>96614590The other 3 roll results are>The ascendant lord was, in fact, always loyal to Vect and the warband is swiftly absorbed into the Kabal of the Black Heart.>The Ascendant Lord is swiftly replaced by a doppleganger by order of Lord Vect. Few can tell the difference and those who speak up are swiftly silenced>The Ascendant lord laughs during a climactic showdown between themselves and the Kabal of the Black Heart. The Dark City watches with rapt attention. To the shock of all, the Ascendant Lord rips their face off of their skull, revealing they were Vect all along.
In a previous thread anon posted this >>96614136or example>drew marked for death, one of the targets was a land raider that he hurt a bit but didn't kill, more importantly it was out of position and would get mobbed (and destroyed) in the next turn, perfect for keeping the card>gets rid of the card because he didn't kill anything>bunch of stuff deep strikes in on a flank to reinforce mortarion and 2 daemon princes, they will steal a point off of him as those models are easily gonna kill 5 slaanesh seekers sitting on ut>could rapid ingress his bloodthirster behind them (shadow of chaos) where it can't currently be charged, so that if the seekers get charged, it can heroically intervene onto the point and put some hurt in>rapid ingresses it right in mortarions face, ready to get charged----- I'm noob, could anybody please explain to me more on this tactical move?Here's how i understand it:- Opponent can charge his slaanesh seekers after charging it- That guy could charge that opponent's unit immediately after it charges, by using the Heroic Intervention- But charge via Heroic Intervention doesn't give Fight First. This means, that Bloodthrister can fight only after opponent finishes attacks (if he survives).- So it means, that opponent will kill not only Seekers, but also that guy's Bloodthirster.Is that correct?I mean, to me it looks, like Bloodthirster can't just hit the opponent, he needs to survive for that.What's the point, if your could rapid ingress your Bloodthirster somewhere in a safe place, in your turn then come closer and charge and not be in danger of dying before fight.
>>96615065I actually won a game yesterday where I killed a tank because my Wyches plinked off the last 2 wounds with their high AP weapons.
>>96615115In fact canonically Trazyn is a Horus Heresy lorefag. He was uninterested in humans before the heresy and became obsessed with it because of all the drama. He lives for that shit
>>96615131That's just statistical error. A you can fail every single of your 2+ saves in a game and lose because of it, doesn't mean 2+ saves are literally worthless.
>>96615083how tf do you have 800 bajillion xp and everything looks like dogshit then?
>>96615138The Men of Iron rebellion isn't interesting for him?
>>96615113Primarchs, clone or not, generate interest. But GW would make more with an actual primarch than a clone.
>>96615145It'll be interesting him once there is a black library series to shill
>>96615145Hits too close to home, too painful to remember the bio furances that wiped out his people and killed him. fleshy animals fighting bio-enhanced fleshy animals with power armour is much more fun and less familar
>>96615102I think he was referencing how you paint a lot but don't improve at all
>>96615145Nope >In general, Trazyn had not been much interested in humans. He collected them, of course, he collected everything. But he considered them on the same level as orks, or various kinds of carnivorous algae. Their spread across the cosmos had destroyed so many more interesting civilisations, and since the rise of the Emperor their culture had an utter sameness that bored him. If Trazyn cared about the mere ability to propagate and spread, he’d spend his eternity collecting bacteria. Just because a thing was successful and ubiquitous did not make it fascinating – it just made it common.But the Heresy changed all that. Before it was all colonisation and settlement. This, this was history, this was drama. Betrayal. Struggle. Brother fighting brother across the gulf of the stars. Empires rising and falling, heroes and rebels.>He’d collected so much that he’d begun to worry he’d gone overboard. Especially since it hadn’t stopped. Centuries out from the Siege of Terra, and he’d continued snatching up human artefacts wherever he could. Now he not only had specimens, and spare specimens, but spares of spares
>>9661514124 attacks, 18 hit, 3 wound, 1 gets saved, 2 damage goes through.That's just average, not" statistical error" and the fact you don't understand that is worrying.
>>96615142It doesn't "Look like dogshit" you stupid faggot. It looks very nice considering Ive only been painting for a little over a year.
>>96615166Killing a tank with that is statistical error. You did 2 damage.
>>96615157I have improved plenty and to suggest otherwise outs you as a shit stirring ape.
>>96615176Make it into the collage yet?
>>96615172I for one also think it looks like dogshit. Shit from a dog. Doo doo. Dukey. Poo poo.
>>96615115Oldcrons were way better, people prefer Nucrons because Nucrons have all those stupid ass Marvel-tier characters
>>96615176If we compare the first model you posted when you came here and your most recent one they'll be at the exactly same level. You literally can't prove otherwise because that's the reality of it, no need to get angry. I think it's actually impressive in its own right to paint so much without getting better at all.
>>96615191>>96615193as soon as you die and stop false flagging me and shit stirring I will prob get on in a month.
>>96614531I'm interested in this. I'm getting the new box and have a spartan I've yet to use from the AoD box. It could be fun.
>>96615199lol fuck off you disingenuous bitch
>new Gulliman model might be a fake rumorI wouldn’t mind, GW already is giving me so much as a Ultramarine player. Especially since the Codex Supplement is still somehow on the table.
Oldcrons were boring garbage, basically just terminators. Having interesting characters is necessary, “Marvel” did not invent that
>>96615147Counterpoint: loyalist Primarchs generate far more interest and clonegrim could potentially be loyalist and have epic family drama with his counterpart and generate 20 more BL novels and have three models released over a decade.
>>96615212pretty annoying fake rumor, I was going to buy my brother his model but because of this fake news I got him a couple 5 man Jumpers instead.
>>96615212>new Gulliman model might be a fake rumorHeh, well didn't expect much from that rumour anyway.
>>96615174Dealing 2 damage to finish off a tank that was wounded is a viable combat niche and removing it would be a direct buff to vehicles.
>>96615219If Clonegrim gets a model GW has jumped the damn Shark
>>96615212Yea the Gman rumor felt out of left field, like I would expect GW to release Leman Russ or another Loyalist Primarch before redoing him
>>96615198I like space bronze age monarch terminators. Nu-crons are cool too and step less on the toes of tyranids.Oldcrons really only had their old codex and depiction in Damocles, which still fits with the Nucron lore as well.
>>96615230They jumped the shark in 2016 and we're only now beginning to descend
>>96615219Yeah oldhammer boomers might hate it but the reality is that Clonegrim vs Daemon Fulgrim would make people go fucking berserk. There’s already countless videos and memes about Clonegrim
>>96615145The Heresy is the single most important war in the history of the galaxy. It's so important that even Xenos are required to pay reverence to it.
>>96615193Quiet, you twerp!
>>96615218Marvel invented character driven stories with Captain America in the 40's
>>96615226It's not a niche. It's something that might happen and doesn't make the unit efficient in dealing with tanks. It's fine, but it's such an improbable situation that you wouldn't do balance changes with wyches killing tanks in mind. And again, my point isn't about making vehicles immune to low S weapons, it's about breakpoints happening every point instead of when one is double of the other.
>>96615243Lazy attempt at falseflaggotry, get lost loser.
>>96615238Makes sense, the only EC people like are loyalist despite any relevance they had was at Istvann.
>>96615249High AP weight of dice in melee is not improbable. Do you even play the game? It's exceedingly common to use melee to plink wounds off of Vehicles especially when it comes to scoring objectives or lategame scrambles Changing the ST table just makes higher toughness even stronger and kills the ways smart players have to deal with enemies.Back in 7th 2 Wraithknights could run up and kill your anti tank and you spent the rest of the game with quite literally nothing you could do against them. Always allowing damage on a 6 gives anti'infantry elites a small bit of damage into tanks, helping their versatility and making the game much less of a case of Rock Paper ScissorsYou are blinded by nostalgia
>>96615252Shut it, you punk! Post models!
>>96615239>The Heresy is the single most important war in the history of the galaxyImagine thinking a Necron would believe this shit
>>96615300oh fuck off weirdo
Dark Eldar should look like supermodels but post-meth binge.
>>96615115What model is that?
>>96615301It's probably the easiest to catalogue for Trazyn since GW releases so many kits for it
>>96615301Necrons don't like to think about the War In Heaven because Biotransference altered their memories.
>>96615301well>>96615164
>>96615126I'm not that anon, but I can't make sense of the situation either and assumes he's made a mistake in the writeup somewhere. Perhaps he means rapid-ingressing the Thirster in a safer spot and charging next round, or using intervention on a safer target, rather than Mortarion by placing the thirster better (for example, behind the seekers).
>>96615330Its just a drawing anon
>>96615283You're either purposefuly dense or have shit reading comprehension. I don't care about plink damage, that's not the point I'm making. I'm saying it's better for the table to be additive than being multiplicative. Nothing you say is contradicting that.
>>96615076this is accurate because painting is done in 'stages'fully assemble or sub assemblies > properly sanding away burrs and filling gaps > basing > priming > base layer > get any dry brushing done > base layer hard to reach places first > full base layer > layering > shading > layering again > edge highlighting.each time you fully cycle through this you get better, if you only cycle through it once you are still a pisslow shit paintlet grub.
>>96615411TOW's table is additive
>>96614247Hey guys, hope you're all doing well. It's time for the september collage anchor posts. I'll try to post one each thread until the deadline. As always I'll check the archive too but submitting your models in reply to these posts is the best way to not be missed. If you submit the models to one of my anchor posts there is no need to repost the submissions, I see them, I promise.Here is the vote for next month's theme.https://strawpoll.com/BDyNzobWkyRVery freeform theme this month, excited to see what you've cooked up.
>>96615397I was hoping it was a drawing of a model
can someone redpill me on the stormraven gunship? how do i use it effectively ? am i relying on it mostly to transport my dreadnoughts or to lay down missile covering fire ?
It’s funny to me how mad people get over the imperium and primarchs being the main characters That has always been the case. Old codexes were written from the imperium POV
>>96615420Spooky is so subjective, seems like this month will be a paint w/e you feel like edition, which I guess I am ok with. I only got 5 days to build and paint my Knight for this month tho...
>>96615417How is that relevant? So it is in 30k and it works great.
>>96614441>How have your games been going?I've been grinding out some needguard as it's the only votann detachment I can comfortably play, since the others are all hyper-focused on one unit type and I lack the unit types.It's been alright, I've had two overwhelming victories against CSM and Knights and one loss at the hands of Tau. All have been pretty fun overall, but I'm honestly losing steam since I'm essentially playing the index detachment. I'll be printing/building and painting another landfort and sagitaur so I can play the transport detachment soon (after I'm done with my chorfs) so hopefully that'll be a bit more variety.
>>96615348>>96615354"Don't like to think about" is radically different from "downplay the importance of". There is no Necron that would consider the War in Heaven to be lesser than the Heresy in terms of scale or significance. It is the conflict that defined them as a people.
>>96615452Didyou woop those Knights or was it close at all? I got a 1k game tonight and was thinking of being lazy and bringin a few Knights but idk sometimes they seem boring and my opponent makes me cave in to every close call because of course "I am using Knights in 1k", might bring Bloods instead.
>>96615420Come on terrainchads we're almost in the lead!
>>96615424It got nerfed a bunch by points increases but just use it in Ironstorm.
>>96615476>knights at 1klmao as if you weren't insufferable enough
>>96615452Have you tried updated HearthBand? Im going to test it (mostly cause lol 20 hearguard) but i found in needguard i had way too many yield points with nothing to spend them on to switch to the first level of the army rule
>>96615485Dunno if you noticed or not but I mentioned that when I used Knights we sorta play with a handicap for my opponent to make it more even. Missed a charge by 1 inch? Just do it...ect
>>96615476dont forget only 1 big knight allowed in 1k ;^)
I think if GW put more effort in Combat Patrol or s Border Actions style game (without the terrain “requirements”) it would be a big hit like Spearhead.
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>>96615476My opponent couldn't make a saving throw to save his life. Blew 3 knights on turn 2 and the game was basically over after that. Knights seem to always be in a state of "overwhelming victory or overwhelming defeat">>96615503I want to, but I really don't want to run the 10 hearthguard I printed out at 85% scale thinking the STLs were oversized, making them tiny in comparison. I've experienced the same thing in needguard you described. The army rules is definitely about hoarding YP until you get into FT and then you have too many to know what to do with. I'm hoping that'll be a bit different in other detachments. Hearthband is definitely a strong contender for my next detachment.
>>96615515They dont need to put effort into it people will buy 40k regardless
>>96615523okay
>>96615515Why is spearhead better? They seem the same to me.
>>96615521Brutal, but I'm sure it was fun blasting those titanic units into smithereens
>>96615539Spearhead is better because AoS proper is as dogshit as 10e, but AoStards have better taste and are more willing to play side games until the main game is fixed
>>96615572How does that make spearhead better than combat patrol?
>>96615573It has better rules
>>96615550It always is in a sense, but seeing the lights in your opponent's eyes die a little inside when he watches half his army go away in one turn is never fun. So is the rest of the game afterwards when you decide to roll it out while your opponent stops playing objectives and goes straight for kills knowing he's going to lose anyway, making the game incredibly boring.It's why I dislike playing against knights. It's either not fun for you or not fun for your opponent. if the guy I was playing against wasn't a great friend of mine I wouldn't have been facing that army.
>>96615573Read theory: https://youtu.be/Ywc6oXKpJe0?si=UAsISZ5YV4DGMCXe
any good 3d printed terrain stls out there lads?
>>96615593Yeah
>>96615579Yea I rolled a 6 for devastating Wounds with my Thundercoil harpoon and my opponent just looked so dejected, felt kinda bad...
>>96615593Lots.
>>96615573Spearhead uses a smaller board with less terrain and fewer models with preset lists you can buy in a single box and has a much shorter commitment time with games under an hour. It's got chaotic twists every turn to shake things up and a catch-up mechanic based on influencing those twists. And you get a random hand of strategies/secondary objectives each turn and there are tactical considerations when using them for each purpose. There's also four different boards and four different twist decks. It's just very dynamic and has a lot of replay value even with fixed lists. You get some minor customization options too like picking a different army rule or enhancment for each game that can give the same list a slightly different focus.
>>96615622That sounds like shit. Games need more terrain and a ruleset that actually makes use of it properly, not less.
>>96615622And then they fired the guy that wrote them.
>>96615644Troll detected
>>96615644>More Rulesbegone Satan!
>>96615644Warmachine CHADS took over your gay historylet game. SORRY boomer but your game WILL be fun to play and competitively balanced! You can always play bolt action or something
>>96615523This. Why do you think the Drukhari combat patrol was so good? Things that arent popular get good rules and deals. Marines get a 8% discount box because people will 100% buy it no matter what.
>>96615437Paint whatever you like as long as it's spooky.
>>96615578>>96615622Bu this is how combat patrol works too
>>96615437I guess it works best in AoE and WF where you have factions that are ghosts, vampires and skeletons.In 40k you have maybe daemons and CSM. An even then, AoS Chaos is spookier than 40k chaos. Unless you go hard with conversions and do LotD marines or something, its not easy to be halloween spooky for 40k.BA can serve as vampires and Wulfen as werewolves though.
About how many dice will I need for an infantry heavy 2k point guard army?
>>9661551540K without terrain is just an invitation for disaster no matter the format
>>96615539AoS has advanced and simplified rules. Spearhead uses the simplified rules, a special deck for gameplay, simplified terrain rules, and other accommodations for the smaller gameplay mode. Combat Patrol doesn’t really make these accommodations for smaller points games, hell a reinforcements rule like Spearhead has could probably help the infantry heavy boxes with low overall points cost.
>>96615660I wish. Warmachine has much better rules. It also has more detailed terrain rules and works better with them since models can move and act more dynamically.
>>96614247No one got any tips since y'all own no models
>>96615684You fellas might be too young to remember but 40k operated fine with a lot fewer L-shaped ruins for many years by having other rules that limited shooting severely like not split firing or pre-measuring or scatter templates or other kinds of terrain or turn 1 night fighting or small arms and incidental shooting not wounding big hulls.
What are you planning to buy next in terms of models /40kg/ ?
>>96614482I know they were like this in the past but I think they could've added a bit more ornamentation to these guys. Like more different chest ornaments and maybe more cool details on the legs and pauldrons.Still definetly cool though.
how does my base and model look frens? i just put the finishing touches on it and added a few details to both ! its my best work so far :D
>>96615717I’m seriously considering selling my stuff for exercise equipment.
>>96615717A bunch of DE shit this weekend.Probably going to try picking up two of the Battleforces as a start to the army. Maybe a combat patrol later on.
>>96615723and the back/other side of base
>>96615684I don’t know who said 40K shouldn’t have terrain, but the reason it needs so much nowadays is because shooting is so powerful and everything is so lethal.
>>96615723Bro I freakin love the base, the model looks solid too and you will only improve.
Am I crazy or is the Tau CP kind of decent? Not a Tau player but tempted to pick this up
>>96615717im headed by the local warhammer shop to pick up>storm speeder hammerstrike>jump pack intercessors>intercessors>apothecary
>>96615644I know you're just trolling but for everyone else, you dont really need a lot of terrain for melee focused games like old world and aos
>>96615723Looking good. I would only suggest using some basing compound/sculpt-a-mold/texture compound/milliput etc. to hide the seam of pic related
>>96615738Stop the psy-op. I don't want a Tau girlfriend.
>modern 40keks think that combat patrol and kill team are meant to have pre-built listsWhat have we become
>>96615738It’s missing crisis suits, but in terms of the dogshit cps that gw loves producing it’s probably the better one but also fuck tau.
>>96615675Uh, no. Combat patrol does not do the deck of secondaries that also double as interaction with the board, or have twists, or have specific boards and terrain. Its also just as deadly as normal 40k for some stupid reason whereas spearhead is less deadly than 40k or aos
>>96615679>In 40k you have maybe daemons and CSM.Eh, I think stealthy Tyranids are close enough to the classic Alien Xenomorph to count and Necrons are obviously inspired by Terminator, which is partially a horror movie. Any Necron could work but a gore heavy Flayed Ones work best. Really I think any model can work but it's just got to have a horror vibe, certain models just make that easier by already being Vampires.
POOP MARINES
>>96615717Iron Hands characterTermie boxsetDrukhari CodexMalys.I'd buy more if they released stuff for my elves
>>96615735thanks m8. i wanted the nought to look like a giant stompy lad going thru a wooded area. i used the tree to make him seem hueg >>96615752tnx fren ill see if i can lean it a little and glue it flat
>>96615738Old one is better but yeah this one is fine. You won't really be using fire warriors much rn but they could always be good in it the future
>>96615760Well yeah that’s what combat patrol should be, it’s an introduction game. Killteam is meh but it’s been shit beyond 2018 so who really gives a shit about that game.
>>96615760I'm talking about discounts anon. Also can't really make that argument if you want to play in KT tournies beyond LGS and local orgs.
>>96615717In terms of SM I'm kinda good for now, maybe I'll keep kitbashing new captains and lieutenants at best. If they release new vehicles or gravbikes I'll get those. I'll have to start a new army I guess.
>>96615717I've been tapping my fingers for this Saturday when I can finally purchase the Helsmiths of Hashut box at my LGS. It's been sitting there for weeks, mocking me.
>>96615778That could work to an extent, but I think it would look more blended in with brown texture paste. It would help get ride of the overly strong sheen on the plastic rubble too. Just my two cents, looking good already and will look fine from tabletop view as is.
>>96614827>knight meta would be way worse if guard armies cannot damage themknights have less toughness than a land raider, in this hypothetical if Guard lists are somehow running absolutely zero anti-tank (or, let's be real, even anti-heavy infantry since shit like custards and death guard exist) then space marines would be way more problematic than knights since they've always been able to do iron hands vehicle/walker spam.the reality is that if anything knights would be weaker using the old AP system, right now ALL vehicles are basically Monsters and brackets barely exist
>>96615717Metal chaos dreadnought2E plague marine champion2E khorne berserker champion
>>96614860>you'll never have enough anti tank to beat knights and then also deal with hoarde armies with the same listwhy do people say shit like this when armigers are weaker than dreadnoughts and questoris are weaker than a land raider?In a game where 90% of the playerbase is fucking space marines, you're really gonna list build to not have any answers to Dreadnoughts and Land Raiders? An Armiger has the same Toughness as a fucking Rhino. If you can't hurt a war dog spam knight list then a marine can literally block you in your deployment zone with invulnerable transports, this is a ridiculous straw man of course you'll be able to kill the equivalent of T9 vehicles
While we're talking about combat patrols, are there any Tsons players here? Is this a good value? It has less tzaangors than the previous CP so I'm assuming it's a better value but idk
>>96615865It's great, yeah. The Daekon Prince alone is extremely overpriced so buying the WE or TS CP is a good excuse.
I know they'll never do it but 11th would be so much better if they brought backInitiativeWS v WS for melee attacksProper moral where your units can fleeTemplatesPsychic phaseMisfireMiscastsLet the table tell a story again, the only thing that happens on tables in 10th is models being shot or melee'd off.
>7e apologistsNever thought I'd see the day.
>>96615717Gonna wait for the new terminator box probably.
>>96615884Go play 5th edition right now. You still can. It's still there. It still exists. Bring your friends. I'm sure they'd love to learn.
>>96614855>and AP2 and 1 is common out the ass?I'm most familiar with 5th edition since I started with Assault on Black Reach and it really wasn't the case. I hear high AP spam is a problem in Horus Heresy but that's 7th edition and is also a retarded black library wank game where everyone's running around with OC donut steel volkite and shit. Here's the fifth edition reference table straight from the core rulebook, even hunter-killers aren't AP2, you need dedicated special/heavy weapons like melta/las/plas and remember there's no 300 different kinds of Aspect Marine with bespoke weaponry, just tactical/devastator/assault squads
All this knight talk has made me think about knights. And then I think about how few models I have to paint for a 2k army. Am I wrong anons? I think I'm getting knight pilled.
>>96615884>Initiativeew
>>96615908You are right, knights are based. Don't let shitters tell you otherwise.
>>96615902god I miss unified wargear armory tables.
>>96615884I want the storytelling to come back too. But I think we need revamped terrain rules for that to happen. Boards are too homogeneous.
>>96615908They are phenomenal and add a very cool element to the game as an ally, as a stand alone army tho? Eh...w/e
>>96615922>>96615921What if I add knights to a guard army?
>>96615929If you enjoy losing, sure. But completely fluffy.
Horus Heresy is the persona 4 of /tg/
>>96615949The vast majority of BL books are shit anyway so who cares
>>96615937uhhhhh....but CANIS??!?!!!
>>96615949this sentence is giving me a fucking headache because it just doesnt compute with 30/40k at all
>>96615962Canis got crippled, hard. He's nothing much even in IK army.
>>96615949at least Auxilia get to be mentioned in the latter half of the series. it is rather perplexing how there are so few Imperial Army points of view in the entire series though. Only Katsuhirokino in the Siege and Geno Five-Two Chiliad in Legion come to mind.
>>96615908Knights have been ruined for me, I feel disgust when I see them. Same with EC.
>>96615738
>>96615949But Persona 4 is actually good. I'd call HH the Dawntrail of 40k but Dawntrail is actually better written
>>96615908>make a giant mech>leave the most vulnerable points without armor
>>96615976why would you expect a human perspective in the space marine series?
HH is the JojoLion of 40k
>>96616012seeing marines from human perspectives makes them cooler and shine more, if it's all marines they might as well be swapped for non-marines since it's all the same
Horus Heresy is the Rings of Power of 40K.
>>96616018What is the steel ball run of 40k?
>>96615717I already consoomed too much in advance of the price hike. I'll probably pick up the new Deldar Combat Patrol before the end of the year, but aside from that I'm good for the time being.
>>96616010you're right about the shoulders but the other two would be difficult to armor while maintaining mobility
>>966160243rd-5th edition
>>96614263Gold. Every time.
>>96616010I imagine its pretty rare for a Knight to run into something that has enuff fire power to crack that thick steel
>>96616024
It's Lady Knight Fall. What're the best lady knights options in 40k?
>>96616064Sisters of Silence Sisters of Battle Some all woman Medieval Imperial Guard regiment of your making
>>96615991>HAAAAANNNNNNNNNNKKKKKKK
>>96616064>>96616072>get a bunch of SoB and give them Bretonnian helmets>call them the Ladies of the Knight
>>96616064get an imp knight then a female pilot to be madam hekturina
>>96615717tempted to look out for a big mek with shock attack gun; mainly liking the model; Nobz would be tempting to get to get more heavy guy on my list but i really don't like how they look.Biggest spending i'm planning might be the next Raptor/Sororitas kill team
>>96614453Malys mogged hard by random wych
>>96614614>>96614590>>96614453honestly soul.
>>96616133Malys is an old lady in a profession where people die young and is one of the few Archons openly opposed to Vect. That speaks volumes of her power and capabilities.
>>96616147Hag…love? Mating press? Nakandadhi?
>>96616147I think he's talking about the art anon
>>96612666[...]>>96613865>told to check Know No Fear as a commonly agreed good 40k book>skims over it in a few hours while shitposting to prove anon wrong>pointless irrelevant nickpicking while totally ignoring the actual plot and characters>pretensions of fairness and being educated while still seething and posting retarded non-sequiturs>samefagging like a bitch pretending to be other anons agreeing with himMental illness doesn't even begin to cover it
>>96616153Oh. That. That poor wych must be pretty ugly by Drukhari standards since this is what the most beautiful one in the galaxy looks like.
>>96615717I'm getting the termie box. Outside of that, nothing really. I will kitbash my own jump captain with hammer. I'll probably get another 10 terminators for the lightning claws but that will be in the far future as right now I don't really have any use for them.
>>96616203I'm probably just gonna magnetize them.
>>96615717Probably nothing for a while. I just bought the chicken robots and I still have a decent backlog, mostly tow and aos though
>>96615420Here's my collage entry. Semi old build that I painted this month, but I also added more stuff to the base to technically I finished building it this month too.
>>96616193He’s not wrong.
>>96616193>plotfag LMAO
>>96616194lelith art is all over the place
>>96616203>getting promoted to sergeant means your gene-sperm is extra protected
>>96616228He's wrong in literally all his retarded whining.It's telling that he doesn't even mention the actual issues of that book, as usual in lying anti-BL shills
>>96615949Fuck the solar auxilia
>>96615902Thats what he means retard, any dipshit can buy a plasma gun that renders any save moot and wounds anything you shoot on a 2+ while still having the ROF of a boltgun and meltas could be slapped on tons of lighter vehicles
>>96616203>this dude T5>shirtless squat with a bionic pinky T6what did GW mean by this?
>>96616259Toughness =\= Armor
>>96616256>while still having the ROF of a boltgunit thatt so? because that's not how they're shown in the fluff. They fire way slower than boltguns, specially pistols
>>96616256>any dipshit can buy a plasma gunany dipshit can't buy a plasma gun in 5th edition. there's no aspect marines. meltas are single shot and short range, a single melta on a dreadnought or whatever isn't gonna be mowing down dozens of marines.OH NO THE SERGEANTS WILL HAVE A SINGLE PLASMA PISTOL PER SQUAD AIIIIEEEEEEEEEE
>>96616239she gets put back together by the doc all the time depends on her mood.
>>96615884old man can't let go of the rose-tinted glasses
>>96616269nta I played guard in 5th and spammed vet squads who could dish out 7 plasma gun shots + command squads with up to 9 plasma gun shots usually riding in chimeras. my marine opponents did not like it one bit.
GW should release a new 40k video game where you play as Marines fighting Cultists except one of players is actually also an Alpha Legionaire and the others have to figure out who it is and kill them before they can wipe out the rest of the squad
>>96616268on tabletop they have the same ROF as boltguns also take that with a grain of salt because the fluff changes wildy between different writers and if you take everything anyone writes at face value then you have plague marines being stabbed to death with normal combat knives by catachans.>>96616269A 10 man marine squad can getPlasma pistolPlasma gunPlasma cannonalso pretty sure veteran squads can take basically whatever they want and yes a fucking plasma cannon on a dreadnought will mow down an entire squad of marines if it doesn't scatter
>>96616259Armor saves represent armor tho
>>96616267>>96616285if their terminator armour only translated to a 2+ save then they would also be T4 like other marines
Does the imperium currently have any STCs? Like are there new knights and other things being made with recovered STCs?
>>96616284>A 10 man marine squad can get>Plasma pistol>Plasma gun>Plasma cannon>also pretty sure veteran squads can take basically whatever they wantdo you have any idea how much that costs in 5th edition? the goalpost has now shifted to "if you spend 200+ points, you can get three special weapons with different ranges, one of which is single-shot" as if that's supposed to be a bad thing or is problematic. yeah I'll take the old AP system and those costs over 2-wound MEQ costing literally 12 points per model with free wargear and special weapons any day of the week
>>96616193>linking a post from 13 hours ago to cry about it again Literally why>linking another posts from 6.5 hours to cry about it againWhy again
Vgh... Kino conversion
What are the odds the crux terminatus box sells out instantly?
>>96616316105% with a 5% margin of error
>>96616316Doubtful. Will be printed quite a bit
>>96616305I just recently played a 2e game and was floored by how few units represented 2k points. I don't think people realize how bloated some of the stats are for how low these costs are.
>>966163151 to 9
>>96616305just for reference, a Brutalis dread in 10th edition is only 160 points and isn't even primarily a ranged unit, it's a melee dread with guns strapped on for shits and giggles.Complaining that 200 points giving you a plasma pistol with one attack, a single plasma gun with rapid fire, and a single plasma cannon with everyone else having bolters and pretending that's not infinitely better than the current situation is literally psychotic.
>>96616316It will but it will be back in stock pretty quick.
>>96616315Arbites are so boring compared to literally everything that exists in 40k. Servo skulls are more interesting to read about then >hurrr it's da judge dwedd and his team of judge dwedds and they're da powice!
>>96616305Your the faggot shifting goalposts, you literally claimed not just anyone could buy a plasma gun and then I told you that you can get 3 plasma weapons from a normal 10 man marine squad and again a single dread with a plasma cannon was like 105 points and could delete entire marine squads with a single shot but now its about cost.Also thats literally a shit example because a hellblaster in 10th is 22 points per model and plasma is severely weaker than in 5th and the cheapest non scout marine is 14 points per model so i'm pretty sure your some trolling fag whos never played 5th or 10th. Some anon literally did the math years ago and a single melta shot fired by a marine had a 22% chance of instantly killing an entire land raider back when we still had old AP and vehicle armor.
>>96616315Chief High Marshal.
>>96616193Damb you sure showed him by showing he's still in your head 12 hours after
>>96616218I remember when you were posting this build, seems like ages ago
>>96615682Bumping. I'm like ready to get like a hundred dice just to be on the safe side.Is this unreasonable?
>>96616355>Your the faggot shifting goalposts, you literally claimed not just anyone could buy a plasma gun and then I told you that you can get 3 plasma weapons from a normal 10 man marine squadSpending 10% of your entire army's budget to give three out of 10 guys plasma guns, one of which is a pistol, is absolutely not "just anyone can have plasma weapons", or are you forgetting that you're paying 112 points for the seven dudes with just regular bolters in that squad? 200 points in 10th edition gets you an entire squad of hellblasters with plasma incinerators shooting 2 attacks each, it's literally 20 plasma attacks vs 3, and they also all have DOUBLE the wounds of 5th edition marines.
>>96616329>>96616330>>96616348So should I ask my lgs for one? They give me a guarantee of having the box and not having to worry about missing out, but they sell stuff at full price.
>>96616370Just get two or three chessex cubes you don't need more than that ever
>>96616373Literally go find some grognard to play 5th with and see the amount of rape you can dish out with a proper setup. 220 points in 10th is also over 10% of your armies budget and your plasmas are much weaker than in 5th and need to be overcharged to even come close to being as strong and yet are still weaker.
>>96616355>spending 200 points for a squad with a single plasma pistol sergeant, a single plasma gun, and a single plasma cannon is insane!!!!!! that's three whole plasma shots!!!!>spending 220 points for 20 plasma shots in 10th is totally okay and exactly the same, especially when people were also running three squads of plasma inceptors with the same gun until their points cost was repeatedly nerfedbro fuck off spending as much as a goddamn land raider to have ONE actual plasma gun is not the same as modern 40k
>>96616311>>96616361>told to read a book in a single post>return a day later to hysterical sperg over 6 hours about it >"rent free"lmao, sure
>>96616374Do you want it? Then yeah? I don't know what you're asking right now. Why would you choose to not pre-order it if you know you want it
>>96616350>posting cringe, 10 years in an iso-cube, creep
>>96616386a single venerable boxnought in 5th edition with no wargear upgrades costs more than the giant primaris dreads do in 10th. every army is a fucking horde army and free wargear makes it 10x worse
>>96616390Yeah most well balanced people would have forgotten any part of that happened. It's not something significant enough to retain for later
>>96616403He's right though
>>96614482>LOOK AT ALL THOSE MOTHER FUCKING TERMINATORSUnironically this, starting a deathwing army or a first company imperial fist army with the box.Meanwhile dark eldar fags are blaming chud capitalism for their lack of models.
>>96616383Are you referring to the 12mm 36d6 dice cubes?
>>96616430Yeah obviously
>>96616355I've got no bone in this fight since I want a different toughness fix overall, but "some anon's math years ago" is a wild move.
>>96616413gw should start an in-universe true crime podcast about commorragh and they could get thousands of women buying dark eldar shit
>>96616193The goalposts have been moved to a field in the next state, as I figure they would.The book sucked dude. Dan can't write prose and his thriller chops are charitably average.
>>96616432Just wanted clarification. Thanks.Alright time to make an order.
How many boxes of the old assault termie kit should I buy before they go oop? I was thinking two sets, one to build and one for converting.Also my AK Interactive ultra matte has started to get clumpy, any recommendations for a good airbrush matte varnish?
>>96616392Im asking if the box is at risk of being missed out on or if its better to wait to buy it on other online websites where I can get it for 30 euro or so cheaper.
>>96616454I’d buy two for building, 1 for both loadouts. Though it is strange why you want the old kit lmao.
>>96616411Incorrect.
>>96616454>my AK Interactive ultra matte has started to get clumpyHow old was it? I've had their regular matte for like 2 years and it's still fine
>>96615894So why can't 11th be closer to that than 10th?>>96616278Are they? Can't it be that those editions are actually better than 10th?
>>96616471Because GW has nurtured a fan base of retards who froth at the mouth if you suggest bringing those things back, especially the tournament scene which they obviously write rules for and balance around
>>96616458Not him but it's almost certainly going to be available. Hell Amazon still sells some of the older ones. If you're really worried, buy it from GW directly if you don't see it discounted on Amazon or your local stores within the first month or two of release.
>>96616471If you suggest you liked anything about older editions you will be labeled a liar or a retard who can't let go of the past. These people have their identity tied up in 40k and treat minor complaints about game design as attacks on them, personally.
>>96616493This. 40kg is notorious for calling people who don't dickride GW's current thing as secondaries, nogames, no models and that you weren't even alive before 8th edition.
>>96616480It's asinine because most of the time these people don't even know how the old rules work. They literally operate under old = bad, new = good and if you dare suggest you don't like a single part of it then you should go play a completely different game that does have that single thing. Like what.
>>96616467About a year, I wonder if it's because I left it out in the sun one day as I started noticing the clumps after that point.>>96616463Makes sense, maybe I will get three kits.>Though it is strange why you want the old kit lmaoI've been collecting a bunch of old kits for various armies and I like how cool and silly they all look with their squat legs and oversized gubbins. Plus I've been meaning to start a manlet marine army for a while now and got a good deal on a tactical squad so why not grab some extra boys before they get leg lengthening surgery?
>>966163382ed is a lot smaller in scale than 3rd-7th. They aren't really comparable.
His name is Sally.
>>96616544no its salman
>>96616544Sally Mandar?
His name is Louise.
>>96616279Nta but since there was an actual FOC you couldn't spam those so it literally can't be as bad as now. You'll spend all your elite choices on plasmaguns that shoot a single shot if they even move and only at 12". Yeha they'll delete marine squads if they get to fire them bur there's ways of countering that.
>>96616576God bring back force org please
>>96616575Luis. Is he a taco boy?
>>96614283kinda kills the power fantasy of space marines if they're not glued to their armori mean what difference is this from just having ogren
Hey you old edition farts, why dont you just play OPR seems to fit your wacky jam.
>>96616633You haven't read many BL books have you? They're filled with homoerticism regarding marines out of their power armor>>96616634Bad troll, OPR is nothing like previous editions.
>>96616634Why should we go play a different hame that's even sloppier than 10th? What's wrong with wanting 40k to play more like 40k? Or is it that you don't like 40k? Why don't you find a game you do like instead of forcing this one to change?
>>96616634I’d rather watch paint dry because somehow that’s more fun than playing OPR
>>96615865Can i just say that i hate the jump pack for this daemon prince model
>>96616655You may not say that, no
the reason people dog on people who glaze midhammer is because when you go "the old strength/toughness table doesn't work at all at higher toughness values and with so many more units in the game it won't work" they just go "nobody tries to wound things on 6's anyway" showing a complete lack of understanding of even the most basic way people play 40k now.They'll go "We can just have less terrain and less big guns and the game will be more balanced like the good old editions" and simply ignore you when you point out that Tau, Eldar and Imperial Guard have at many points pre-8th just started tabling people turn 2 in a ton of editions.They'll shit and piss their pants at the added complexity of each unit having a datasheet ability but then pretend that certain unit types having upwards of 13 USRs applying on them (including sub-types that made you check multiple unit types) all in different parts of a book were easy to understand and play with.They'll fail to use cover in 10th, bitch about rending AP, and then complain about things being too lethal in one of the only editions where both players will geniunely have units on the board at endgame if they both know what they're doing. They'll insist that modern lethality is too high and named characters too needed only to then ignore the fact that tanks used to constantly get oneshot and custom-made 300 point wargeared up units lost all their wounds at once while Monsters remained broken.They're almost always nogaems who want to go back to the time they were teenagers and they will call you any number of names to avoid internalizing the fact. They gravitate to the notoriously weak 5th ed tactical as a beacon of balance because that was what they played when they were 12 and try very hard to not remember the flying lash princes or vindicator spam or Dreads being cucked by Forgeworld finesharts which would inevitably become a problem now that they and the people they are playing against have fully developed brains.
>>96616664nice blog
>>96616575>>96616621Lois.
>>96616664Nice pasta
>>96614301the chaos gods relate beyond these aspectsin a way some embody both sidesNurgle is a god of health and rot, ultimately a god of stagnation Tzeentch is a god of magic, knowledge, and ambition on top of being one of trickery and desire Khorne is actually pretty one dimensional. a god of war and sometimes honor but not really honor. Slaanesh isn't really a god of being horny, they're the god of indulgence. which can include wanting to dedicate yourself to something until it corrupts you which can relate to sex, drugs, and rock and roll. but also obsession into things like wanting to be the best warrior or even scientist
>>96616350>doesn't like judge dreddGross
>>96616544If a black guy join the ravenguard, does he get revitiligo and turn aryan?
>>96616698Yes for the first and no for the second
>>96616664>the old strength/toughness table doesn't work at all at higher toughness valuesThis is pure stupidity. The overinflated toughness values of vehicles wouldn't even need to exist if they went back to the old table ans AVs so no one is considering that.>pre-8th just started tabling people turn 2 in a ton of editions.Yeah, on flat boards but nobody is asking for that. Only for boards to be more varied than just a hyperdense urbanscape of nothing but L shape ruins.>13 USRsThe most degenerate parts of 7th aren't representative of the entire system. 3rd and 4th weren't like that. Neither is 30k for that matter.>They'll fail to use cover in 10th, bitch about rending AP, and then complain about things being too lethalThis is just copium. It's a fact that in those editions units could simply do less things.>They're almost always nogaems who want to go back to the time they were teenagers and they will call you any number of names to avoid internalizing the fact. Yeha mate we secretly love the perfect game that is 10th you are right, we just like to be contrarians for shits and giggles.
>>96616443Is not that Know No Fear is suppossed to win a Nebula Award or anything, and personal taste may vary. But you chose to shit on a widely agreed banger without even mentioning the book actual weak points.The nonsense you posted earlier proves that you're just a dishonest shitposter with an axe to grind. A pseud retard without media literacy at best, but more probably just an obssesed shill out of your contaiment zone
>>96616643>>96616648>>96616652pussies
>>96615865i mean if you like the daemon prince for 1ksons its goodpersonally i don't, but i don't hate it if i had to take it. maybe if you could make it look more closer to a horror than a gorfor me the issue isn't with the last one wasn't that it had to many gors, just that it had gors at allmaybe i just have an overly specific idea of what i want out of my 1ksons and it doesn't include stupid chicken men
Tabletopchads....is taking an apothecary worth it if you have the 50 extra points and he can lead a squad ? what benefits does he add to an army ? Ty in advance !!
Are Harlequins worth starting right now? Are they any fun?
>>96616757>>96615865so the current combat patrol is a non starter, but the battleforce is really good. basically has most of the stuff you'll ever need in a 1ksons army. just short of a few characters and vehicles
>>96616768I mean if you have absolutely nothing else to fill the points with sure, but apothecaries aren't very good. Game is too lethal for them be useful, the unit will just get shot off the board all at once
Look at this dood.Oh nononono.....
>>96615420
>>96616768sometimes you might want the cheapest possible character to get an enhancement on a squad, otherwise not really worth it
>>96616769No and no
>>96616575feet
I want an excuse to paint a Rogue Trader Entourage, which Imperium army is most flavorful to have a tag-along Rogue Trader & friends?
>>96616722>This is pure stupidity. The overinflated toughness values of vehicles wouldn't even need to exist if they went back to the old table ans AVs so no one is considering that.The old S/T table was super deliberately crafted to avoid anything going above Toughness 7 (Big Daemons and Nid Monsters were T6) because at T8 most weapons wouldn't work and you'd have entire armies where significant portions of their units couldn't do much of anything.Going back to the old S/T table doesn't make S/T more meaningful, it just reduces granularity because you're stuck with 4 tougness values that you can seriously use (3, 4, 5, 6) before you end up in situations like "Killed your anti tank gg shake my hand"
>>96616810agents?
>>96616810Play kill team there's a team that's literally that
>>96616814Probably true but Agents doesn't even have a real army rule
Would you collect an army if you only liked a fraction of the model range but you didn’t like a lot of the stuff that is necessary to make the army work?
>>96616827>AdMechyes
>>96616827nowhich army and which units, anon
>Roboute Guilliman rules the Imperial south>Luis Dante rules the Imperial north>the galaxy is ruled by two guys named Rob and LouWhoa.
>>96616827my first army was 1ksons so yeahi love the ones i got but after you collected everything you wanted it's just nonstop disappointment
>>96616827Rules are temporary. Collect an army you like the look of
>>96615420I entered already but I'd like to update mine if that's possible>>96614882
>>96616812>because at T8 most weapons wouldn't work and you'd have entire armies where significant portions of their units couldn't do much of anything.Yeah that's why T8+ was vehicles which needed anti tank weapons to wound.>it just reduces granularityThere's no granularity in the new one, just dead space where weapons with strength 5 to 7 wound on the exact same roll.>you're stuck with 4 tougness values that you can seriously use There's nothing wrong about that. It makes designing and balancing units and weapons a lo easier when there's a tight amount of variables where all of them matter.
>>96616818Oh shit, I thought the Rogue Trader Entourage box was just for 40k. Thanks, anon
>>96616847I don't get it
>>96616872Also, vehicle facings and armor panels. Something that also breaks the mind of nu40k players
>>96614928Thank you!
>>96616218Looks ace. Love the rhino helmet.
>>96616218Looks cool but what is it supposed to be?
>>96616737Alright fine, I'll address some more weak points.The entire first act is plodding and miserable, with stilted, clumsy prose that would find stiff competition from middle school creative writing excercises. You don't really get a sense of what Calth looks like, or the difference between the various locales, like the Nibenay Bay or whatever the fuck the port was and the triforce museum, and what little expository framing is written is both sparse and underwhelming. I mentioned all of this. One of Dan's biggest problems, that I, again, mentioned in the previous thread, is that he can't figure out how to seperate third person omnipotent narration with inner monologues, and tries to write both at the same time, meaning they blend together and you can't tell where inner thoughts end and the narration begins. This has the unfortunate but hilarious effect of making Dan look like a fucking caveman when he's trying to characterize Sevatus or whatever as a boltgun-toting meathead. The characterization sucks; all the marines basically think the same and act the same, and aren't described visually in any detail beyond Sullus being old. When there's 15 different marines you have to keep track of and you can only tell them apart by their fake latin names, they blend together in a haze, and when two thirds of the book are dependent on knowing who these chucklefucks are, reading the passages becomes a chore. The Oll and John Grammaticus stuff in the middle is like a brick fucking wall that completely destroys what pacing the book was starting to achieve right as it hits the ground running, to the point where it stumbles and falls afterward. Again, I mentioned this in the previous thread but you either forgot, didn't read it, or filed this completely valid criticism of a huge, glaring flaw of the book as a "nitpick". It's not a nitpick. It's a gaping fucking axe wound in the middle of a book that's already struggling.Cont.
>>96616872Are you straight up retarded? You keep contradicting yourself>There is no granularity, just dead space where weapons with S5-7 wound on the exact same rollS5 has an advantage into Astartes with wounding on 3s but it struggles into medium tanks (T10) by wounding on 6s and isn't the greatest against hyper elites like Custodes because it's also wounding on 5's.S6 hits a great breakpoint where it wounds T3 on 2s (Melting GEQ and elves), T4 and 5 on 3s, and T6s on 3s while also now being able to wound T11 on a 5 instead of a 6.S7 ups that by managing to hit the hardest tanks (T12) on 5s and hyper elites like Custodes on 3s. Each of the strength values provides a noticable increase into one unit type or another and if you're building a balanced list, the difference between S5, S6 and S7 are pretty important. Out of three (3) random values you said have no granularity, you can see that each of them has a different role and improves as they increase. Important breakpoints are hitSomehow you say this has no granularity, then fully admit that you think the game should go down to a whopping 4 toughness values, which is the definition of reduced granularity.This is exactly what I mean when I say you "people" don't even understand the game. You call what is objectively granularity "no granularity" and then praise squishing the game down into 4 values.
>>96616916>ContOr you could stop there because nobody cares
>>96614609god gathering storm was so shit
>>96616916>>96616928The two flavors of mucho texto autismo side by side
>>96616928Yeah I'm not reading all that. I'm happy for you though, or sorry that happened
>>96616916>Know No Fear>bad pacingyou're trying too hard
>>96616957
>>96616916>>96616928
>>96616664>the reason people dog on people who glaze midhammer isYou faggots don't just do that though you dog on anyone who wants any changes whatsoever and if those changes existed in a previous edition you pretend like we're all disgruntled nogames or oldfags.
uh oh fakegrog meeeeeeeeelty
>>96614247Still comprehending how nice it is to be able to lay down a better primer and base colors with an airbrush before moving to the brush, literal life changing stuffAnd that's with a Aliexpress cheap airbrush, I can't imagine how it must be if you use something even better
>retvrn to older ed s/t gets btfo>spam of "tl'dr"i'm noooticing
>>96616737>>96616916The Word Bearers are portrayed as token villains at best; their characterization as basically cackling madmen, while servicable, is underlined by hackneyed attempts to make them look "misguided" or "bitter" or "in service of a master plan". These abortive thrusts of backstory are so weak that the book would've honestly been better off without them. The rest of Oll's personal journey is pretty pointless and Bale and Krasst are basically fucking wasted characters, which is a shame because usually the guardsmen are the coolest characters in bolter porn. Arqitus or whatever the servitor's name was used to better effect even though he had much less written about him. You could've cut out the entire Oll plotline and the book would've been improved. All in all the book just comes off as amateurish. Again, I've read better ERP sessions. If this is the best BL has to offer I don't want any more.>>96616936I agree. At the end of the day I don't even care if the book is shit or not; I knew it was shit and was happy to be proven right, but the whole excercise has not improved my life in any way. I guess I felt like I owed the book a chance out of some sick sense of duty, or an obligation to objectivity. >>96616960To be fair, cutting the Oll section and condensing the first act would make the book a fairly brisk read. But with those two it just feel stilted and awkward.At the end of the day, I can at least say I've read a Horus Heresy novel, and can comfortably conclude that I would like to read no more.
>>96616787>Snazz'O
>buy product from a smaller store>shipping box has a lil note with a handwritten "-Anon">buy more product from store>this time the note has a handwritten "-Anon + Femanon" in feminine handwritingawwwww
>>96616928You'll realize that's still two breakpoints, exactly the same as the old table, but now you have dead space between the +1 and the x2 where those increases mean absolutely nothing. There's no extra granularity, just stats bloat. It doesn't add anything to the game nor offer any additional design space. It just makes breakpoints more awkward and weapons to have shit balance when an assault cannon and a multimelta wound on the same roll against a tank.
>>96617013Daww that's sweet. What did you buy anon?
>>96617013Show her your penis
>>96617021NTA but in practice theres not much difference between the two. 40k might on paper have a wider range of S and T, but in practice, its focused around several breakpoint. T3, 4, 5, and 10 with the odd unit here or there hitting strongly enough for it to matter.
>>96616980What would be the point of faking being a grog?
>>96617038T6 and 11 are absolutely important breakpoints lmao
>>96616906Obliterator. Needed a fourth one to round out the ones I made ages ago back when obliterators came on 40mm bases and were made of metal and came in units of 1-3. These were based off of wargames exclusive models but the new one is all GW sculpts, apart from some miliput and cork.
>>96617007>usually the guardsmen are the coolest characters in bolter porn>I knew it was shit and was happy to be proven right>ERP sessionsleast mentally ill guardfag
>>96617052Eh. In practice, S6-7 weapons arent very common. Mostly you're going to be shooting T6 with S8-10, probably more like S9-12. So yeah its another breakpoint but that's why I didnt include it.
>>96617007I don't think I'm gonna read all that
>>96617022>>96617023The duality of /40kg/
>>96617063Honestly I'm thinking of selling my Guard. 10e codex soured me on the army. I know rules are temporary but I feel like I can see a trajectory with that book that's just gonna get worse>>96617069Probably not a bad idea. While you're at it, don't read BL.
>>96617022plaguebearers then scourges>>96617023the duality of 4chan>>96616218>>96617059very cool.
>>96617077>While you're at it, don't read BL.I already wasn't, I get my lore from codexes. To do anything else is setting yourself up for disappointment
>>96617076>>96617087
>>96617038That's my point. Stretching the table hasn't increased granularity, just made the breakpoints messier which makes balancing weapons harder.
Idk about break points or tables but I want my storm bolters and tac squad bolters to not be kind of underwhelming.
Choose ur waifFor me it's techmommy
>>96617059>>96616218Cool but guns really are too big
>>96617115>I want the most basic gun to be above average despite it being what the entire game is balanced around
>>96617117those all look lame and generic as fuck, get better material
>>96617127bolters should not be basic guns, that's the point. They're not lasguns
>>96617123They're intended to be over the top.
>>96617117The proportions are way outta wack
>>96617117wow this guy has exactly one body type he knows how to draw
>>96617117where dorf waif
>>96617068T6 is at the point where you go from 2's to 3's against S10 which is a pretty big difference as there's a lot of S10 D3 anti-elite (Such as the Forgefiend's Ectoplasma Cannons) and some additional survivability there helps a bunch for the expensive stuff. A lot of Xenos anti-infantry ends up being S6 as well - Elves have Disintergrator Cannons and Shuriken cannons which are S6 D2, Assault Cannons are S6, Wraith claws are S6 (Hell, part of the reason Wraiths are so tanky is because T6 W4 is a uniquely annoying breakpoint to hit). It's also notably what Liberator Assault Group S4 turns into after the red thirst.
>>96617087>scourgesI should really dig mine out. Despite the sorrow of losing the Court I've been slowly amassing a big boat Dark Eldar army to work on once I've finished the last little bits of the Wraith army. Boats are so bloody neat looking.
>>96616355>Your the faggotYou're*
>>96617143forgotten as usual
>>96617115storm bolters suck and tacts should get the intercessor bolter with -1AP and heavy
>>96617077>>96617097Pathetic
>>96617117Techpriest, SoB and the Woman standing behind the navigator.
>>96617115AP5 was definitely a lot more useful than AP0 now.
>>96617117>No Custodes gigachad muscle mommyHard pass
>>96617127That's like saying tau pulse rifles should be shit because they are their basic weapon.
>>96617117that's it I'm getting a bbl
>>96617117My heart says blueberry, but my dick says eldar.
>>96616368Did take me ages to build. It's pretty typical for me to start some project, get 70% or so of the way and then put it down and pick it up again years later.>>96616900Yeah, I wish I had more.>>96617087Thanks.
any reason to run allies other than just trying to dip into other armies?
>>96617222Assassins are good.
>>96616493I never played 40k before 10th and played a few games of older editions after. all I really want changed is psychic powers. Blast templates would be fun but in competitive games I can see the flaw immediately in them dragging out play. Vehicle facing is cool.
>>96617142why would you need to learn any other?
How would you design a non-Imperium human faction? I don't mean abhuman like the votann that revived the squats, I mean "appear like baseline human" faction that has been cut off from the imperium or was never part of it. Remember they have to have a "dark" gimmick I was thinking about this because I would like more examples of the Imperium dealing with humans that their ideology says have to be brought into compliance
>>96617146If I were made out of money, I would have already started my own Wraith army. But currently I’m devoted to the Terminator army I have now.
>>96617255You either comply, or you die. There is no negotiating
>>96617117the eldar corsair has very bulliable earscowardly to not have a necron, votann and genecunt or tyranid though
Post your armiesMy nightlords
>>96617289They try negotiating to get you to comply is the thing. And they might not be able to go a full conquest for a bunch of reasons
>>96617297And Iron Warriors
>>96617297i wish combat patrol scale was actually good in 40k or hh i would just buy different armies to have a nice vertical slice of different factions
>>96617255you either go lower tech or higher techhigher tech is sort of covered already by votann and taulower tech by using stubguns and autoguns is sort of covered by cultistsso even lower tech would be a techno-barbarian faction. all their basic soldiers are gene-bulked roided out mutants but they just wear chainmail and shit, no fancy power armor. their ranged weapons are electrified plasma javelins or bows firing gravitonic disruptor arrows and their melee are crude augmetics and just crude sharpened chunks of plasteelexcept now they feel like pink skinned orks
>>96617297Some of my Wolves
>>96617323I was thinking about maybe having them be a psyker focused faction. Maybe their homeworld had some necron tech or other macguffin that suppressed the warp to a degree, and they unknowingly evolved to be more psychic. So when they started spreading out the rate of psykers were much higher and they tended to be more powerful. Their civilization came to rely on psykers despite the dangers, and has a low level of tech in general but some unique psychic shit they created to use/amplify their abilities. When the great rift opened many of the technologies and techniques they used to keep pyskers in check became less effective, and they began to be heavily pressed by Chaos
>>96617127Tactical Squad bolters and Storm Bolters are just bad, I don't know what you're on about since the basic gunline unit for Marines is an flat better profile paired with an ability that makes it even better. Tactical Squads it matters less because they'll either be refreshed and reworked or dead by 11th but storm bolters need like AP-1 or something, especially on terminators who cost too much for what they do right now.
>>96617297I need to take an updated one for my templars, admech, vashtorr forces and sisters some day but heres an olderish old of the vashtorr stuff
>>96617136marines are meant to be the average midpoint of balance both on TT and in lore
>>96617255Astartes who have declared themselves god-kings of fiefdoms within Nihilus.The Light of the Emperor is gone, but the mechanisms of the Astartes exist. Only, when treated as saviours by the planet's populace, they did not have the humility to resist.Those who think the Emperor is dead make up the ranks of theGodless Renegades>Mixed use Marine and Guardsman army, aesthetically very Mad-Max>Glory seeking Cultist-equivalent guardsmen who frequently try to get themselves noticed by their Marine overlords for the honor of having one of their own children Astartes, very 'Witness Me' in terms of personality>Scrapped together tanks and artillery, in some cases literally latching Guard or Planetary Defense guns onto Rhinos, kitbasher's dream>The few SM are hyper elite and act like commanders with small 3-man teams. Power Armour is often incomplete, sometimes only a chestpiece and the rest is regal dress>Strats like the cultists setting teleport homers to allow for rapid ingress>Some bullshit about hopping up on combat drugs and using archeotech/xenotech freely without fear of the inquisition cranking down on them>Strats similar to the Drukhari Double Cross one, allowing the Guardsmen-cultists to take hits in lieu of the Marines>Free of Imperial oversight, additional gene experimentation allows for grotesque-like hulking marines.>Fuck it, throw some FemMarines here if you really wanna be in the news.
>>96617136bolters were made to kill human rebels, elves and various misc xenosThey were not made to pierce ceramite and there are so many things more dangerous that woke up since the invention of the bolter
>>96617388There's a lot of space between not being able to pierce ceramite and hitting like a wet noodle.
>>96617366I also play 30k and it's hilarious how these things just don't happen there. Yeah boltguns and storm bolters/combibolters aren't killer weapons but they are usable.
>>96617380Why do so many people want Chaos Marines but atheist? If living without the dark gods were that easy, everyone would do it.
>bolters cant pierce ceremiteWhat a retarded statement SM and CSM blow each other up with bolters all the time
>>96617449Renegades doesnt necessarily mean Chaos aligned.
>>96613566Made an attempt at it, was tricky to get looking something along th lines of your icon
>>96617449I think renegades being the dream Horus/Abbadon/Many marines have of them being kings over the normies only for the actual faction to be gremlins scrounging around with scraps would be fitting.
>>96617306very nice
>>96617421Ya I'm not asking for them to shred everything but they need to be just a little more useful with the current roster of enemies, especially for the cost.
>>96617471You're almost there. If you want, just try to paint the tips of the fingers on top of the sun. I knew it was too complicated to freehand on every model so I designed it in 3d and printed it myself. So much time saved.
>>96617297I don't have a big enough setup for a proper picture, this is the best I can do
>>96617454'were not made' does not mean can't.Bolters were not made to kill other Marines and are kind of shit at it.>I did not need to see the massive shape of Markog to know that this was the Dolorous Guard; altered though their forms were, the colour and nature of their armour was similar enough to his that the resemblance was obvious. Both they and we had half a second to take in the enemy arrayed against us, and then the shooting started. This was an exponentially more intense, more brutal affair than the fight in which we had just been engaged. >>>Bolt-shells were never designed to pierce ceramite, because back when the weaponry was first conceived there was no notion that humanity’s enemies would ever be wearing such armour. In the millennia since, the Imperium had been hamstrung by its own refusal to embrace progress, and renegades such as we now faced – or indeed, such as ourselves – were largely limited by what weapons they could scavenge from their former masters. Much like my chainsword, bolt weaponry was more than sufficient for most purposes to which it was ever going to be put, but lacked the specialism to be similarly effective against the armour of the one wielding it.
>Storm Bolters2 shots strength 4 AP1 Rapid Fire 2In Terminator hands, it is also a Pistol/Assault.
>>96617461Yeah but sooner or later you need to at least be in contact with Chaos entities/groups to live without the Imperium. Without an astropath you can't get around the warp so you'd need to rely on demons. And without some kind of chaplin equivelent you're gonna have soldiers that take pacts just out of convenience or necessity after so many battles.
>>96616785move slut superior archon is here
>>96617531You can just say no to demons.Shout out to horus but I'm built different
>>96617527Direct that directly into my veins.
>>96617297Postan>>96617297
>>96617527>Rapid Fire 2It should just be 4 shots. Definitely pistol and assault. That's basically how they work in 30k.
>>96617541I mean, you really can. Lots of renegade warbands do.
>>96617502Shore, not a hard adjustmentWas realizing th fingers were real stubby looking at the model after posting the pic lmao
>>96617574Should be banned for avatar fagging I mean it
>>96616785>noooo why did they make her look like shadowheart! dark eldar shouldn't be hot!>noooo why is the dark eldar girl so ugly! she should be hot!why such polarization?
>>96617586Report him then
>>96617586What do you think avatarfagging means?It's not someone posting models when asked to post models, i can tell you that
>>96617454Volume of fire and finding weak points is still a thing when it comes to failing an armour save in this game.Just look at lasguns.
>>96617586you know by posting and painting more and more models it is an eventuality being labeled as an avatarfag...no models bitch
>>96617593I have no problems with either of them. My issue is that she's not barefoot
>want to paint a battlefield with scattered Necron bits>they don't bleed>they don't leak oil or any other fluid>there's absolutely no difference between a functioning one and one that's been shot in the fucking head other than the lack of glowy bitsI kneel, but this kinda sucks
>>96617601sounds like a you problem, most of us can share our shit without being obnoxious cunts about it
>>96617297Just pretend that's a rhino in backIt should be 490ish points with a second rhino
>>96617615You can't, /v/ermin
>>96617593>why such polarization?because some people want to shitpost and have no actual opinion
>>96617585Yeee that's it. Love it man. Thank you! I'll try to get a WE helmet to put on a base in your honour.
>>96617622>defending decalfagthat's a new low, even for you
>>96617605Wanna know who got a new model that has bare feet?
>>96617630who?
>>96617586You can just filter my models if it's an issue. I tried posting new stuff but that's an issue too apparently so I'm done worrying about whether people here have seen my stuff before.
>>96617629You're just guessing that was me, you were right this time but your still a huge faggot.
I need a secondary colour for my teal green marines that doesn't make them look like salamanders, dark angels or christmas. white is too annoying to paint
>>96617629If you follow the reply chain he was talking about lamenterfag
>>96617649Maybe a nice orange?
>>96617649>teal greenWhite.
>>96617634The patron Idol of Chaos undivided
>>96617649porple
>>96617649purple, red or burgundy
>>96617649dark red, burgundy, dark purple or grey.
>>96617678who?
>>96617634a semen demon
>>96617689People are so uncultured these days...Hakos Baelz
>>96617624Glad yer happy with it haha
>>96617611ok nevermind they actually bleed greenish oil, I really should get around to reading Twice Dead King one of these days
>>96617649Orange
>>96617668I just picture salamanders with orange>>96617680>>96617682>>96617688dark angels. I do really like the inner circle companion burgundy shade that gets used, but the chapter itself was cooler when they were just gay
>>96617649>>96617718You've got a lotta options
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>>96617585Can I see another angle on this dude?
>>96617700It's ok mouse fag, I'm sure people will appreciate your idolfagging next thread.
>>96617700
>>96617756A steal rose trapped in a cage if iceI've run out of relevant images and will need time to make more
>>96617776That doesn't make things any clearer.
>>96617750Sure, these work?
>>96617785Good
Horus Heresy models are gorgeous but they are uncharged so much I can’t justify buying them It’s absurd
>>96617813recasters
>>96617813Have you considered making an adult wage
>>96617508>>96617574Why did you change to a new Reddit?
>96617882if any of you reply to this retard
>>96617879>bro just spend twice as much on lower quality casts
Random Question, but the lore that guilliman killed omegon even confirmed by GW?given that the source for this was one account from an ultramarine who turned out to be an alpha legion anyway. Has guilliman ever mentioned it in a book?
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>>96617297All my shadowkeepers I've painted so far
>>96617882Zamn I'm good enough to be accused of also being tsonanon? Feelsgoodmaam, but I doubt he feels the same
>>96617894So do you like the forgworld casts or dislike them, I'm getting mixed messages here.
>>96617920I'm not him, and the sculpts are good, the casts are dogshit, never pay forgeworld prices for inferior products
>>96617637Font forget his backside, faggot
>>96618037Glad you like him sweetie! Thanks for your help posting all the time!
