After 7 years, what's the general consensus on WFRP 4th edition? Do you play it? Did it manage to surpass 2nd edition?
I dunno lets talk about it over a game of dnd
>>96614414It could be the greatest fantasy game on the planet, but it wouldn't matter because it's not D&D and thus nobody is playing it.Also, fuck supporting modern Games Workshop in any form.
It's aight
>>96614421Which edition?
Love it, my personal TTRPG of choice.
>>96614427Did you play 2nd edition? I agree on the GW part>>96614434What did you like about it, anon?
>>96614446Thanks anon. Is it as crunchy as people say? How woke would you rate it from 1 to 10?
Has some things I like (Better balance and combat) and others things that I hate (Career progression losing the flavor and worse magic) over WFRP2e
>>96614483Thanks anon, is 2e still your favorite?
>>96614414Utterly pozzed, play 2e instead.
>>96614465>How wokeOh fuck off. Seriously, it's a great system. It has some ugly art and that's it.
>>96614414It’s my go-to system for most campaigns, I love it. Excellent setting, snappy CharGen and session-making. I love it. Biggest gripe is the frankly atrocious layouts of the rules where everything’s spread out over a dozen books without any rhyme or reason. For example, did you know the stats for Mournguls are in the Empire in Ruins companion book? I sure as fuck didn’t! The game desperately needs a database for all the rules and statblocks, or at least a bestiary more comprehensive than the Imperial Zoo.>>96614465It’s less crunchy than DnD which is all you really need to know. It’s definitely got a learning curve but the CharGen is actually pretty well-explained in the books.Woke wise? Started as a 4, and is now somewhere around 2. The early books were quite comfortable with black Imperials and making every other knight a woman, but Light Steps Deft Fingers and Lustria hardly had anything that raised an eyebrow. Hell, every character in the High Elf Guide was white (even the group shots,) which surprised me given how eager people are to portray black elves these days.
>>96614511You think so?>>96614519I didn't mean to be contentious, the woke stuff would REALLY put me off. But thanks for your answer>>96614529Thanks for the super detailed answer anon, I think i'll give the starter set a try first. Are the splatbooks from 2e compatible with 4e?
>>96614445I think the game CEO guy would be a better fit for Nurgle
>>96614581>Are the splatbooks from 2e compatible with 4e?Bestiaries, NPCs, gear, even spells are very easy to convert over to 4e. The differences are minor. One of the main differences for creatures, for instance, is the lack of an Initiative attribute in 2e. Just fill that out and you are good to go.
>>96614414At this point I've got no real reason to play 2e any more. I liked a lot of what 4e was doing at the start, I think most of its big picture changes are just more interesting overall, but it was a bit fucked in places. Supplements have solved all of that stuff now and so now it's just the best one to play in my eyes. 2e stuff still works well with it and there is a conversion guide so you're not even missing out on much content.
>>96614581>Are the splatbooks from 2e compatible with 4e?Characteristics can be cleanly imported between the games, but talents or traits will get tricky. If you’d like my quick and dirty rec list for download, here they are;For careers and rules,>Core>Up in Arms (martial classes, more weapons, exotic mounts)>Winds of Magic (self-explanatory)>Sea of Claws (boat rules and sea campaigns)>Lustria (the comprehensive jungle adventure)>Deft Hands Light Steps (bandits, outlaws and hunting.)Bestiaries,>The Night Parade (Wights and Undead)>Bayle of Many Eyes (Chaos Warriors)>Tribes and Tribulations (Greenskins and Ogres)>The Imperial Zoo (Generalized unassociated monsters.)There’s an Enemy Within book that has lots of Skaven stuff, but I can’t remember if it’s Power Behind the Throne or Horned Rat (either main book or companion.)Fan Works,>Ratter (fanzine that releases content which ranges from excellent to eye-rolling, buyer beware but there are gems)>Nations of Mankind (tons of rules for playing, say, Estalians or Arabyans. Also tons of statblocks for everything from knights to archers.)>Warriors of Chaos (tons of good statblocks for Beastmen, Norscans, Chaos and Chaos Dwarves.)>Elven Civilizations (same as above, but for High, Wood and Dark Elves.)>Under-Empire (same as above, but for Skaven.)You can find all of these by searching the name on Google alongside “ratter,” like “Nations of Mankind ratter.”
>>96614414The core rulebook is outdated, and it needs a revised version with the improved rules from the later Splat books, which are better but are spread across five or six separate books at this point.TEW is too big for its own good and takes dedication to run it. The Companion book was also a weird idea that I don't think worked well for most of the TEW sections, with maybe Powers behind the throne being the exception, but the Companion have rules that are useful just for general play, like Mutation tables or travel rules4e is also very crunchy ,which has turned off a lot of players in my experience and the extra splat have really only made it more crunchy
>>96614648It's the Horned Rat Companion, which has all the Skaven rules, but Empire in Ruin has a lot of high-level monsters in it, and Enemy in Shadow and Death on the Reik both have sections on Chaos Cults.
>>96614519The system is a schizophrenic pile of dogshit, anon. The gay ass art is just the corn nugget on top.
>>96614414We started to play it recently but there's still a die hard 2E guy in our group saying it's inferior (it's fine, we like to argue a bit).
>>96614721The Enemy Within is an excellent adventure, but I don’t know if I’d advise playing it all in one go. Shadows over Bogenhafen is excellent as a one-book campaign and does a good job emphasizing the core of Warhammer Fantasy. I personally want to play in Power Behind the Throne though because Middenheim is a really fun city.
>>96614625Got it, thanks>>96614625Ok, sounds easy enough, thank you>>96614630Interesting, thanks >>96614648Incredibly useful answer, thanks for your time anonTo be fair, the thing that bugs me the most is the artstyle (2e wins hands down in this department) but overall the system seems pretty good
>>96614492Yes, because is the one I played most and is where most of my houserules of years of playing it work. 4e is close to it but not enough for me to make it my main.
>>96614993Nice, what's your favorite 2e book? For me, it's pic related
>>96615137Old World Armory
>>96615137Tome of Corruption or Night's Dark Masters
>>96615137I like Renegade Crowns mostly as it was just a fun way to create your own sandbox for you players to play on
>>96614414Bad.No.
I like it but I prefer 2e
>>96614852>To be fair, the thing that bugs me the most is the artstyle (2e wins hands down in this department) but overall the system seems pretty goodThere are some good pieces in 4e. I'm rather fond of the stuff they've got for Lustria and Salzenmund, for example. 2e might be consistently better for that grimdark experience, but -I guess I need to say that 4e is meant to evoke a different sort of Warhammer Fantasy than you're used to. What I mean is that 2nd edition was written to take place exactly 5 minutes after the Storm of Chaos. It's a post-apocalypse. Everyone is ugly, tired, beaten and bruised because of this. The world is wrecked, and your characters are meant to be the castaways, refugees and various vagrants that might help put the world on the path of recovery.Meanwhile, 4e is more evocative of 1e. It's a world of absurdity in that dry British way, with lots of shitty references and comical characters. It takes place in 2510-2511, a year before Tamurkhan's invasion of Wissenland and the Turmoil of 2512 IC (which is played out in The Enemy Within.) It's a good time to be alive in the Empire. There's the usual threats in the usual places, but you don't have an Everchosen marching on your gates and there isn't a Waaagh massing at Blackfire Pass. The world seems cleaner and happier because it *is* cleaner and happier.
>>96618759This is a good description of exactly why I prefer 2e to 4e. 2e seems to me to be the more interesting, immediately gamable setting; it's perfectly reasonable that your Noble fop, gladiator, Tilian swordsman, pick pocket and rat catcher would be running around in Nuln solving crimes, because there was just a giant social upset and everything is turned on its head.
>>96614414Nothing can surpass WHFRP 2e
>>96618759I think they retconned Tarmurkhans' invasion as happening before the events of the WFRP timeline so it was 2508IC now
>>96620261I used the remnants of that war as the background for a Borderlands game I never got around to running. Would've segued into the more intriguing bits of Lure of the Liche Lord.
