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>>96618648
>tq
Spam heavy chainaxes and power axes? Don't mind if I do.

>>96618648
>TQ
Maybe, if i do it will be as a 20 man blob with a moritat in a spartan as a DA player.

>>96618648
>TQ
I can't really justify replacing my tacs with inductii for my DG army due to inductii wasting prime slots. I'm too addicted to the logistical benefit advantage.

>>96618648
god no lmao
inductii aren't people nor marines

>>96618648
Sucks that I have to watch this through a HEVC player. FIX IT OP!!! I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO WATCH IT AS A NORMAL MP4!!!
>TQ
byeah. Those Sally inductii are cool. But I don't have many bolt pistols.

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>>96618648
Reposting
>>96617107
3.0 Inductii power rankings
>S
BA. The ability to spook 25% of the opponents army is pretty crazy, pair them with a big blender character.
DG. Access to multiple flamers and rotor cannons, tank shooting casualties, fury of the legion, these guys are insane.
Sallies. As the only inductii mob that can spam up to 6 thunder hammers and 2 disintegrator blasters, these guys are a real threat even to TEQ.
>A
IH. Phospex and augmentics
DA. Volkite is scary in 3.0, the ability to potentially delete an enemy 1W MEQ squad of the same size is worth the downgrade to Line 1
UM. The flexibility of the equipment spread + anti-routing rules are great.
>B
WE. Vanguard 3 is good but heedless is a major downside. Still, there are worse troops choices.
IW. But only if you bring enough shotguns and shrapnel bolters to status opposing units.
SW. The rush+charge is a very good trait.
NL. This guys are kinda ass BUT breaching precision + art of murder can wreak havoc if used smartly.
TS. Breaching asphyx bolters.
RG. An odd but not useless unit.
AL. Combi-weapons and treacherous lure are good, but limited.
>C.
WS. A really odd unit, they almost seem like an anti-Vanguard unit. Useful applications for tarpitting.
IF. Pinning is good, but needing to stand around is not.
SoH. Average melee selection but the ability to gain Impact (S) or get stunned is not good.
WB. Potentially a big problem if they don't die or kill themselves.
>D.
EC. They got style, they got grace, but where's the meat?

Disagreements:
>>96617135
>>96617178
>>96617221
>>96617423

What do (You) think?

>>96618648
>New
Dude they're literally unchanged, it's still 20 cheap mooks with volkite chargers.

>>96618697
>Sallies
Once again, you're not putting THs on the cheapo expendable guys, you're much better off buying them for durable guys with more attacks and better WS that can actually use the things.
>SW
Should be higher, these guys are nuts
>NL
They're better despoilers, I wouldn't call them ass
>TS
Put them higher up, some anon said they kill a contemptor in a single round of shooting. I haven't checked the math but I believe it
>AL
Extreme cheese potential, needs playtesting but might rocket up to stupid fundamentally broken tier zero

The rest are more or less right, personally I'd move RG down

>>96618736
The AL inductii look very dependent on how well you make use of their special rule. Potential cheese if used right, completely inconsequential if used wrong.

>>96618781
>the unit whose only notable characteristic is their special rule only works when you use that rule
no shit

>>96618736
>>AL
>Extreme cheese potential, needs playtesting but might rocket up to stupid fundamentally broken tier zero
AL are B-/B at best. They wont outscore enemy tacs and can still be charged. If you use just them you'll lose the game on scoring. You can use them as speed bumps/screens by dumping them out in front of objectives, or on if you move react of to avoid vanguard, but risk first strike from good melee units. So they are in this nebulous near the center ready to help turn 2. If you give them combi weapons that have a status like flamers they are maybe B. Placed well they are almost guaranteed to survive to turn 2 after doing so damage and help with scoring but line 1 means they shouldnt be your primary scoring. Perhaps theyre the unit you want to throw into an objective you dont want to actually fight over for a handful of points before they die.

Not getting shot turn one is neat but you have to be outside a rhino and their survivability is match up dependent due to melee. With terrain obscuring now its much easier to hide anything anyway.

>>96618828
they have potential to pull the old RG trick of "I start the game on every objective and achieve an unsurmountable lead before you get a chance to play"

>>96618828
>>96618781
DESU the AL one is really good but it really depends on if you go first. If you get to go first, fuck yeah because you can run up onto shit and then cuck your opponent.

I dont believe you can draw LoS through an enemy model. So you can use them as a screen and or rush onto an objective and hold.

>>96618832
To be fair though, you can do that any way as long as you go first.
This is the curse of points being accumulated at the END of a turn.

>>96618842
>cuck your opponent.
You risk giving up first strike from melee, which is 2-4 points and basically a free Vanguard+. Tacs have Line 2 so they don't even need to attack, they just take the objective.

>>96618863
Pretty subjective honestly, because that assumes
A) they have a vanguard unit of like 3+
B) they are able to get into range with melee to do that
C) They are able to even afflict a status on you off the objective.
I have multiple times just rushed objectives with just 10 man tacs and out of all the games i have played i think they only ever got vanguard striked off an objective ONCE.

Not saying it cant happen, im just saying its a lot of stars aligning up to make it happen.

>>96618875
Has been my experience as well. So far most of the value from Vanguard seems to come from the threat of it, not of the rule actually having effect.

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>>96618648
>Not Mr. Blue Sky
one job

>>96618884
Yeah this is why the only vanguard i ever use is siege terminators, becuase ranged vanguard 3

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Now that we're getting more legion-specific stuff, I'd love to get vehicle-only legion traits. I hate that the new traits specifically exclude vehicles, it triggers my autism to feel like I'm "missing out" by taking units that don't benefit from the trait. So what "vehicle trait" would you give each legion?

Anyone else think saturnine dreads seem kinda meh? Not aesthetically, but the rules. They're real tough but their firepower is comparable to a leviathan for 100+ points more, and the leviathan can take a claw or drill if it wants. The particle shredders are great but the leviathan can sling phosphex. Even as iron hands it's hard to get more than 2 dreads in a list so I have to be choosy

>>96618697
The augments for IH fucking suck, why am I wasting a reaction point on these goobers for a 5+ medic roll? I'm taking them solely to suicide bomb with phosphex.

>>96618951
Saturnine dreads are busted, double inversion beamer cleans up any kind of infantry up to and including cuckstodes, and double heavy plasma bombard kills infantry anywhere on the board regardless of LOS. It has way better and more impactful firepower than a leviathan, and much longer range too.

>>96618875
>A
Vanguard is usually 2, sometimes 1, so First strike is equal or better because...
>B
If you're "cucking" you opponent you're blocking objectives. If you're just standing out in the open and not hindering them, they likely aren't getting shot anyway because they will shoot actually valuable targets. At which point why did you bother to bring them? Not able to be shot is only good if they are threatening or denying VP access to merit getting shot in the first place.
>C
Status spam is neat, becuase you don't need to blow every combi at once and inflict them over two turns comfortably. Havoc rhinos can also do this but flamers rout which is better. This is probably their best practical use but they are susceptible to return fire.

I've played 7 games and have yet to give up Vanguard thanks to move reacts.

No star alignment needed for the above. If you aren't in a place to be a worthy shooting target then you didn't need inductii to begin with. Fighting any melee legion, especially if they have vanguard melee, means you have to be cagey with them. If you shave 2x10 and two flamers each you can stage for some harassment pretty well but requires set up and good match ups.

>>96618648
>tq
Wb inductii are fine for what they are. My issue with them comes more from the fact that they’re gonna be competing for points with all the other point hungry wb units that are all vanguards anyway. If I were gonna change anything about the unit, I would change its effect activation to be on winning a combat through res points since that matches more with the legion rules

>>96618648
>Will you take your new inducti?
TS, yes. RG, no.

>>96618884
DESU so far i have found the best vanguard units are not even the melee focused ones, aside from stupid shit like justariaen
So far best vanguard units IE one taht seem to actually make their points, are vet breachers, and siege termiantors mostly because of ranged damage
Which i dont see many people making it into melee unless you are sending 2 dick bashing units into combat with each other.

>>96618951
Yeah what this guys said. >>96618974
Double inversion beamer they will do fucking WORK.
The big question is now that it exists why the fuck does the leviathan exist now?

>>96618974
I dunno, I'm really not feeling plasma. If it's not AP2 or 3 I'd rather be throwing out something with a status, though it is nice the heavy plasma is D2 for vet killing. Combi plasma especially sucks, 10 points for some 6+ breaching shots I want to replace all of mine with combi grav and combi flamer.

Anyway yeah the inversion beamer seems nice but I'm not buying the extra guns just sticking with the saturnine box loadout for now. The saturnine has a nice grav weapon, but the leviathan has a grav with a bigger blast in addition to the phosphex. If I had the other weapons my view might change, but also the short ranged grav and inversion beamer seem risky on something with 0 melee. I like using the grav + drill + phosphex on my leviathan.

>>96619027
the plasma is not that great i don't agree with that one anons assessment of it, but the inversion beamers are great.
The real question becomes, is it point effective at its job.

>>96619030
Yeah the point efficiency is what I'm getting at, my leviathan loadout is 255 and the double inversion saturnine is 350, which has to get within 15 inches if shooting at anything with a 2+ save and needs something protecting it from getting charged. The inversion beamer looks great but has some drawbacks and I don't own any either way

What's the best mission to try out 3.0? Are the good missions in the DLC?

>>96618941
>DA: The vehicle can take a terranic greatsword
>EC: The vehicle can take a charnable saber.
>IW: The vehicle crew automatically fails INT tests, but can count as not having moved for the purposes of the Ordnance trait if they went 4" or less.
>WS: They can Tokyo drift, so they get an extra pivot during their movement.
>SW: idk, better at ramming or something, who cares.
>IF: They can take trains. Yeah, Dorn loves his trains.
>NL: Can be given an upgrade to represent loud speakers, trophy racks, etc, that cause Fear (1).
>BA: All vehicles can Rush, and the ones that already could get +1" movement when they do.
>IH: Increase Self-Repair roll by +1.
>WE: Vehicles with a transport capacity can gain the Assault Vehicle trait, but suffer a D1 Penetrating Hit on a 2+, or a Glancing Hit on a 1 as the retards inside smash their way out.
>UM: Every vehicle comes equipped with a fax machine.
>DG: Ignore difficult terrain.
>TS: Characters with the Psyker trait can make a Manifestation check to remove a status from the crew.
>SoH: One per detachment Justaerin-use heavy transport vehicle that increases BS to 5 for a justifiable points increase.
>WB: Deliberately set off the Explodes rule at will.
>SAL: Reduce the Melta (x) value of melta weapons targeting them by 1/2.
>RG: First use of Smokescreen each turn is free.
>AL: Contents of any transports are secret (must record them so that they can be verified later).

>>96619016
Reminder to WBbros that ashen circle will kill something like 20 tactical marines per turn through shooting + volley.
And if you somehow haven't wiped the tac squad you've still got your fuckoff axes to clean up.
They rip.

>>96619061
I see no problem with all of these, save for the fact that you made the WB one too good and TS one too weak. WB should be more like, never take damage from repeated glances. And TS should be more like, for each hit of your guns on enemy vehicles, roll a WP test and glance on every success

>>96619061
I mean IH already has that basically it just costs 10 points

>>96618648
>TQ
WB, so they're pretty awful, but I will use them anyway because A) it fits my fluff b) it frees me from having to use exalted conclave for my 2 man 20 despoiler squads allowing me to use the army vanguard detachment for my 2 gal vorbak and 1 phraetus conclave squad full time

Why do DG inductii have rotor cannon access all of a sudden? lol

>>96619138
Acid shells, clearly

>>96619138
They were the lucky winner of the 3.0 "get new wargear option out of fucking nowhere for some reason" wheel

>>96618941
top row, second from the right, looks like an anime protag haircut

>>96618863
>they just take the objective.

only if the other guy is Heedless

>>96619156
Yeah so random makes no sense
>>96619150
I miss when Vorax had those in 1.0

man those WS inducti are so mid, tough out there for choggos this edition

siege breaker with 3 phosphex quad mortars, leviathan with phosphex launcher, inductii squads with phosphex bombs. I want to phosphexmaxx

I'm so tired, bros.

>>96619602
Cornholio detachment

>>96619685
Same anon.

>>96619685
stop chasing an unattainable hobby ran by an incompetent and dishonest company

>world isolated from other systems through the Age of Strife
>no noteworthy capacity for interstellar travel to import goods and services from other systems
>nonetheless many technologies were on par with or exceeded what's available in modern postindustrial societies
>domestic food production was still sufficient to support billions of people concentrated in several hive cities
>domestic industrial economy remained intact and productive
>large workforce segments employed in local resource extraction indicates a high level of natural wealth
>however inadequate and compromised, rudimentary functions of government still existed to maintain public infrastructure and define criminal behavior
On its face Nostramo had a lot going for it despite the high rates of corruption and violent crime. Those things are bad, but if those tendencies can't be solved through two hundred years of unconstrained authority to enact social and economic reforms, maybe the fundamental problem isn't what you think. Most other primarchs got a lot less to work with and got results a lot quicker. Because the fundamentals here look good enough that it's not like Curze had to turn lemons into lemonade, it's like he already had the lemonade and decided to pour it into his eyes and then complaining that it stings.

Maybe he just wanted to complain.

raven guards for me if I like jetpacks right?

>>96620211
Nostramo is literally Africa, if you think you can fix Africa in 200 years then fair enough. If anything all places like Nostramo demonstrate is that the GC was justified because frankly just about every human culture was horrible anyway.

>>96620215

Blood Angels and to a lesser extent Night Lords are also jetpack enjoyers, and if you don't mind the robots there's some solid Mechanicum jump squads you can dabble in regardless of legion choice, but RG are as solid a pick as any other, yes. In general BA are more about the mass jump pack assaults with Dawnbreakers and similar while RG use them for diving into the backline and cleaning up anything squishy that threatens to chase down your scoring or your ranged skirmishers, but you can go either way with either.

>>96620215
No. Word Bearers.

>>96618648
>Will you take your new inducti?
>Basically 40k tacticals
I'm using them to recreate the ultramarines second company and nobody can stop me

Has anyone a scan of the new LI book yet?

>>96620277
No. There are phone pics of the rules, that's all.

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Necron fan rules for 3rd

https://files.catbox.moe/j1lukp.pdf

needs input, I dont think it's balanced at all

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>>96619061
Revised now that I've had some sleep:

>DA: Wing related bonuses. Smaller boosts, but more flexible.
>EC: Can take inspiring murals (must be represented on the model, sorry hobbylet WAACfags) that give +1 Cool to friendly EC units within 6".
>IW: Can count as not having moved for the purposes of the Ordnance trait if they went 4" or less.
>WS: They can Tokyo drift, so they get an extra pivot during their movement.
>SW: Ramming doesn't stop a vehicle from shooting, it just makes it snap fire.
>IF: If the Legion trait didn't already apply to them, it does now. Otherwise its bolt/auto weapons get Pinning (0) if it didn't move.
>NL: Can be given an upgrade to represent loud speakers, trophy racks, etc, that cause Fear (1).
>BA: All vehicles can Rush, and the ones that already could get +1" movement when they do.
>IH: Increase Self-Repair roll by +1.
>WE: Vehicles with a transport capacity can gain the Assault Vehicle trait, but suffer a D1 Penetrating Hit on a 2+, or a Glancing Hit on a 1 as the retards inside smash their way out.
>UM: When an infantry unit reacts to perform Return Fire or Overwatch, if they had a transport and it's within 3", that transport can also shoot with its defensive weapons.
>DG: Ignore difficult terrain.
>TS: Characters with the Psyker trait can make a Manifestation check to remove a status from the crew of a vehicle.
>SoH: One per detachment Justaerin-use heavy transport vehicle that increases BS to 5 for a justifiable points increase.
>WB: Deliberately set off the Explodes rule at will once the vehicle has half or less of its starting hull points.
>SAL: Reduce the Melta (x) value of melta weapons targeting them by 1/2.
>RG: First use of Smokescreen each turn is free.
>AL: Contents of any transports are secret (must record them so that they can be verified later).

>>96619078
TS don't need any help.

>>96619081
Sounds like they already have their bonus then. :^)

Help me /hhg/ I am super constipated today :(

>>96620749
Consume copius amounts of lye and punch yourself repeatedly in the stomach.

>>96620749
Drink 1 to 2 liters of water
Always works.

>>96620749
get an enema

>>96620234
I can fix Africa in 20 minutes if I had unfettered access to multiple nuclear arsenals.

Do you find reactions balanced? Is the game better off by removing reactions? Why or why not?

>>96621040
It might be more balanced, but it'd be less fun

>>96620211
Actually Nostromo was one of the few planets that DID have interstellar travel, that's how they exported the adamantium. So their only industry was adantium slave mines and maaybe slave farms, and they exported that to buy everything else from functional societies

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I'm still new to this and 40k. Why did Malcador say this?

>>96621086
Because Big E was an asshole. And that's his best friend saying that.

>>96621002
isn't that pretty much what Curze did once he got access to nukes?

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>>96617969
...and so it continues.

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>>96621103

>>96621099
But if they're best friends, why would he doubt him like that?

>>96621040
Didn’t 1.0 allow all units to overwatch and return fire? Or just overwatch?

>>96621117
You have to understand just how much of an asshole big E was, if his number one friend still entertains the thought of "maybe these guys are right". I doubt he seriously considered it though, since he does end up sacrificing his life for the Emperor. And he was the one that set up half the bureocracy in the imperium so he's also responsible for half the shittyness of modern day 40k

>>96618974
>>96619023
Leviathans can pod in, Fatties can't

short of giving them Outflank or Deep Strike through another means, they're extremely short ranged for what they're meant to be taking on, they have the same melee problems that Deredeos have (can literally be tied up by units that can't even hurt them back) so it's not like you even want them that close to the front, they're slow - the same problem Leviathans have, but worse because no pod - they cost half as much again as a Leviathan, they only have one more Wound and a 50% better invulnerable save etc etc

they don't even have Implacable Advance, which is a weird place for an artillery unit with such short ranges to be in, especially since moving makes the grav pulveriser and inversion beamer worse, it's like it's meant to be emplaced somewhere

>>96621148
>30"-36" is short ranged

>>96618697
I'm convinced DG keeping Fury of the Legion is an error at 90 points base and 9 per model. I'd say 12 of them with two flamers in a Rhino or 15 on foot with 3 rotor cannons should put in work.

>>96621170
If you have an inversion beamer you need to get within 15 if you're not shooting at regular 3+ marines, which for 350 points I hope you're not just lighting up a tactical squad. And yeah the plasma has good range but plasma is dogshit. Even if the thermal shield gives it protection from plasma overload you're still just hoping for 5+ breach rolls to do anything

Honestly, if I wanted a plasma dread, I would be using the deredeo. It has a 4+ breach, same range, and is like 150 points less.

Man I want to add one more section to my word bearers with the space I have available, but I'm debating between adding 12 outriders or 8 rapiers, crew, and 20 tacticals

>>96621170
yep, was last edition when you needed the pod for Leviathans too

on a 6*4 board using Dawn of War deployment your Fattie is out of range of a full third of the enemy deployment zone even if it stands right on the edge of your own

position it so it can hit the far corner and at least half of the enemy deployment is out of range, along with a full third of no-man's land and your own deployment zone

Hammer and Anvil is even worse for it, more than half the enemy zone is out of range even if you're standing it on the front of your own zone and even if you move 6" for four turns you can never bring the entire enemy zone into range so you can still be getting shit on by missile launchers and conversion beamers all game

>>96621239
You can shoot at anon's thunder hammer inductii to make your points back easily

>>96621239
>just hoping for 5+ breach rolls to do anything
>Cuz the other 2s, 3s, and 4s, just don't count for some reason

>>96620326
> Reaction so ANY UNIT can get a 3+ invul save if shot
> S6T6W6 LD10 CL 10 model.... 100 pts
Yeah I stopped reading there
The UR example of why people distrust 'custom house rules.'
Would never play in a million years

>>96621086
>>96621117
Malcador was big E's right hand man. Part of his job was doubting the Emperor, he might have been the only person who his boss even considered hearing out.

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bro was not up to snuff
he will make a lovely terrain detail though

>>96621466
Statistically, this is what most Salamanders looked like during the Heresy

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>>96621470
aren't they supposed to like fire?

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>>96621483
you know what they say about too much of a good thing

>>96621513
>aww yeah flamers are so cool fire purifies everything lmao promethean cult yeet
>tactical atomics
>NO NOT LIKE THAT

>>96621425
the creators response to an overlords stats is "oh but an archmagos is 120pts and has 6 wounds etc"

go look at the c'tan in the LoW slot, its insane

>>96621519
The funniest part is that i'm pretty sure meltas use some kind of nuclear fusion/fission. So nuclear reactor with a tight muzzle choke equals good, but a wide muzzle opening equals bad

>>96621534
>aaa perturabo-sama i can't believe you've done this

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>>96621520
Why would I waste my time. Why are you?

>>96621534
Meltas were historically microwave blasters.

>>96621513
>pedo artist

>>96621519
>>96621534
The problem isn't that stuff gets burned to ash, disintegrated, or whatever. The problem is when the weapon that does it leaves shit behind to cause problems later. Their disdain of phosphex and rad weapons was never "Oh they're so much crueler than flamers", it was that liberating a planet was meaningless if nobody could live there due to radioactive fallout, or lingering proto-sentient chemical fire that hates living things.

>>96618648
Everytime i look at the WB inductii and think of running them but get skeevy at the idea of losing one of my only sources of line in my collection, the siren song of the draykavac and two allied arcmagi with theurgica maximus casting chastise the machine spirit on two targets each on a 10 or less by passing around draykavac's int 12 like a cheap whore and pinning up to 4 units automatically each turn grows stronger and stronger

>pamphlet titled Forges of Saturn
>dealing with the origins and relaunch of Saturnine armor
>it actually did not originate on Saturn, but on Phoebe
>the Phoebians uniquely had the knowledge and commission to produce and maintain Saturnine armor, which they did not do on Saturn
>Vulkan's reverse engineering of the Saturnine armor also did not take place on Saturn
Well that's just plain misleading.

>>96621699
Anon I don't know if you knew this but it's a little hard to live on Saturn what with it being a gas giant and all

>>96621519
40k nukes are more like weed killers than WMDs. Rad grenades, irad weapons, rad furnaces, etc. Just stuff to spread radiation and kill stuff, not so much big booms. Basic plasma warheads can produce plenty of boom without all the radiation.
>>96621602
There's two types. One that uses microwaves and one that uses a fusion reaction (hence fusion guns and fusion blasters).

>>96621627
I thought Phospex was just future napalm/white phosphorus. Just sticky fire that doesn't go out in water or when you roll on the ground.
>aftermath
I'm sure subjugating entire cultures through planet/system scale wars and incredible brutality doesn't leave any lasting effects. Doesn't show up on my geiger counter so it's probably fine. What do you mean Promethium is a dangerous chemical that probably spills everywhere anytime a tank gets punctured? But that's what we use to power all our vehicles and half our guns!

>>96621699
Phoebe is a moon of Saturn. Are you retarded? You can't do anything on Saturn because it doesn't have a surface, all the shit there is done on saturn's moons

>>96621699
Just imagine Phoebe is Belgium and Saturn is France.

>>96621699
Phaturnine armor

>>96621699
Anon... what exactly do you think Phoebe is?

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>>96621722
>subjugating entire cultures through planet/system scale wars and incredible brutality doesn't leave any lasting effects
not if they're exterminated entirely, no
no one left to linger and suffer!
salamanders pride themselves on their humane-ness when obviously it's the eaters that sit foremost in that facet

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>>96621722
>just
It's more like future scifi chlorine trifluoride. Stuff even the Nazis were like "yeah, we better not use this".

>>96621723
>>96621732
So why aren't things made on Phobos and Deimos called "Mars pattern"?

>>96621754
Probably because mars is already a place that people live on and saturn is not

>>96621754
it might bear in mind that mars has a surface on which to conduct industry
saturn is a gas giant where such things are contained to installations and platforms and satellite bodies

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>>96621762
>you can't live on Saturn's surface, so all the stuff invented on its moons are "Saturnine"
>you can live on Mars, so all the stuff invented on its moons are not "Martian"
Got it.

>>96621744
Is that the one they briefly considered using as rocket fuel along with other insane stuff like molten lithium?

>>96621754
Because mars, deimos, and phobos are seperate polities, whilst Saturn has no polity (or people)

>>96621103
Pure excellence

>>96621239
Deleting Line 2 wins games. VPs are more important that making point snack by killing. Tacticals won't make theirs back on killing, but they win games if left alone.

>>96621807
What about the Ringers?

>>96621732
Not Saturn.

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Do any of you guys have any good missions for 3.0? All the ones in the base liber look like ass (haven't seen the forges of Saturn one yet).

Is it possible to just use 2.0 missions?

>>96621722
It homes into moving things.

>>96621595
come on just do it

I already said to the guy who made the rules that c'tan are way too OP for the cost and his response was "people have told me they're too weak"

as an example of their rules
>nightbringer can attack you with S10 AP1 damage SIX that on a 5+ ignores invuns and he also ignores all damage mitigation rolls

>>96621834
Sure, but I'd rather throw an assault squad at them or something and score some vanguard points, with a saturnine dread you're getting pretty close to a Cerberus or Typhon in cost

>>96621918
>score some vanguard points
Lol, lmao even. In this move react economy?

>>96621956
Look I have a master of descent and I can dream okay

>>96621722
>I'm sure subjugating entire cultures through planet/system scale wars and incredible brutality doesn't leave any lasting effects
It doesn't if you know how to deal with the aftermath. Guilliman used Phosphex and Rad weapons when NECESSARY. Because he hated Scorched Earth tactics.

>>96621699
>>it actually did not originate on Saturn, but on Phoebe
Of course they wouldn't directly originate from because Saturn is a Gas giant.

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>>96621994
here lies calth

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>>96622001
I see your lack of solid surface and raise you floating cities and orbital stations.

>>96621990
Master of Descent is for conversion fags that want prime veterans to model all fancy and a praetorian jump squad to powergame with

>>96622030
I was thinking of using him to deep strike termites actually, plus his command squad. Or maybe the saturnine praetor and his lads. But I did order those Mk II assaults because they look sick

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>>96622008
>the operations where Erebus and Kor Phaeron got mocked by Lorgar for failing

>>96622055
I want him for deepstriking the command squad as the veterans jump after, and then roll a delegatus up with that sick terminator detachment

>>96622081
Hadn't looked at that guy. Wow, a second apex detachment for that guy without needing to get a second force with a second praetor. Breaks the detachment system wide open.

>>96622030
What is this take

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Bodt was an act of self defense

>>96622146
Correct

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>>96622161
only an *ron h*nd would regard the wanton slaughter of countless thousands of little infant eaters in their cribs a triumph or something laudable

>>96622161
Everything was An act of self defense to the Iron hands after istvaan

>>96622178
I regard it as a good start

>>96621239
Most of the time the saturnine just keeps ticking, double blasting 3+ power armour (which is the vast majority of an army) seems to pay particularly well.

The few times I've gotten charged - between the overwatch and counter charging, it seems to only tie it up for a turn

.>>96621918
the dread is a great reliable backup plan when the ranged vanguard fails

>airbrush 2 tanks
>both are slightly different tones and don't look the same

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU

>>96622146
A hobbylet take

>>96621699
>failed to mention that Vulkan is the primarch of the Salamander., FKA Saturnyne Rams, who are unrelated to the Auxilia regiment called the Saturnine Rams, neither of which have anything to do with Saturn

>>96622030
Isn't it just a fancier jump pack guy with some techy bits?

>>96622178
Saved them a lifetime of being a WE.
They were thanking us as the moon hit

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>>96622178

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*screaming slurs*

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>>96622467

>>96622479
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pFS4zYWxzNA&pp=ygUQY2x1YmJlZCB0byBkZWF0aA%3D%3D

Speaking of saturnines, does the -1S from gorgon's scales stack with the -1S from the thermal field? Dropping meltas down to S6 vs T6 terminators is funny, or taking lascannons down to S7 vs T8 dread

>>96622161
Does that leg seem vulnerable

>>96622585
That's why he has a 5+ FNP and +1T vs shooting

>>96622375
Where did you get the idea that the Salamanders used to be called by the name of the Saturnyne Rams cohort?

So did they address the fact that Saturnine armor has obvious ball joints? Like is it just a marine nugget in there, like a mini-dreadnought?

>>96622551
Wouldnt it scare you if i got closer. If my rot molecules get on you bro.

Is it just me, or does Sevatar seem like a bit of a dumbass for saying Curze had a conscious choice in determining whether to be a monster? As someone who has psychotic episodes, Curze seemed to have been in the midst of one during his early life with lacking an internal narrative and all

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Fy fucking fan

>>96622611
Seeing as saturnine use involved enrolling in some kind of vague "program" and were afterward treated differently or distantly I think it's fair to say they were being amputated to fit inside the armor.
I like the thought. Nice and grimdark.

>>96622161
It's always fun when they get to hog the spotlight for a little while and do something ultraviolent. On that note, their Bitterbowl with the Word Bearers is off to a promising start.

https://pastebin.com/4VbGjzXV

>>96622611
It's never directly stated, but they do mention the armor requires extensive cybernetic modification and high tolerance for such modification, as well as latent psychic abilities. So it's almost certain they're either nuggets or curled up inside the torso, either way their limbs are not in the armor's limbs. There's also the fact that the gun arms don't' have any actual space for the forearm to go into, unless you think they're shoving their gun into the plasma chamber. Which is one way to become a nugget I suppose

>>96622161
why is he holding a dilso looking sword.

>>96622657
Reminder that Curze did get visions of how mercy and offers of redemption from him could pay off immensely for society, but he chose to ignore these visions and instead kept on killing people for kicks.

>>96622657
He did have a choice, his visions were not deterministic. There's a story where he's about to kill a kid but he foresees two paths if he lets the kid go, he either grows up to become a savior and fixes the planet, or he stabs him in the dick when he turns around. Curze decides he can't risk it and just kills him

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>>96622645
that would be terribly unnerving
perhaps even enough to warrant Fear (1)

>>96622694
you're a Night Lords player, aren't you?

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>>96622707
DESU, I understand Curze there. That kid was only a teenager, and yet he was already trying to rape strangers and being enraptured with cutting off their clothes. Nostramo would not have really been fixed under him

>>96622661
What is it?

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>>96622798
I know this book. It is ridiculous.

>>96622479
>NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

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i have been very keen on recycling/re-integrating, so to speak, my waste PLA somehow and this is what i arrived at as a first idea
interestingly textured basis for a little plate of ruined terrain
t. stovetop and pan

>>96621103
Base too big, otherwise tip top kit bash anon

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>>96622611

>>96622872
That book has made Curze impossible to take seriously. A shame, really, as his concept is cool

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>>96622479
>>96622885

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>>96622920
>That book
Hey now, you give it too much credit. Just about everything ever published about Curze has only made it easier to make fun of him.

>>96623014
Honestly, why would GW do such a thing to such an interesting concept?

I like color scheme variations and would like to see more color scheme variations, particularly if they are co conceptually interesting.

>>96623056
He's a sadistic hobo-turned-dictator whose idea of governance is to wait for his crime sense to tingle whereupon he will drop what he's doing and start Naruto running down the street to personally brutalize the offender to death. His concept is absurd and there's nothing wrong with finding it amusing.

>>96622669
Likely have cybernetic arms and legs that are designed to be removed and re attached for ease to live outside the armor.

>>96622671
>Little has been written of the War of Bitter Iron, for to invoke its history is to recall the nightmarish powers unleashed in its prosecution, where debased sorcery and the technological horrors of Old Night competed to lay entire star systems to waste. Names such as the Adramite Purges, the Narasima Dissolution and the Cull of Sarcosa are rarely uttered, but to assess the true devastation of the Age of Darkness, the Iron Hands' vengeful crusade against the Word Bearers home world of Colchis — which would engulf much of the northern Segmentum Pacificus by the Horus Heresy's end — is impossible to ignore.

>One of the earliest actions of the War of Bitter Iron, the Sundering of Milhand would coincide with the first battles upon Beta-Garmon II on the far side of the Segmentum Solar. Only the earliest tastes of the profane and proscribed weaponry employed by the war's zenith had yet been felt, but here emerged a harbinger of the horror to come, when the Phoebians' arts were corrupted with malefic power, and in the aftermath the broken sons of Medusa turned to Saturnine abominations of their own.
That's great, really, I love that for them and this stuff about proscribed weaponry sounds cool and all, but WHERE ARE THE RULES JAMES?!

>>96622890
I really hope you're not breathing anywhere near this

>>96623014
If you are talking about the book Lion el Johnson holy fuck that book sucked so fucking much, and im saying this as a dark angels fan.

That one ranks up there in my top 5 all time worst HH books. Literally chapter after chapters of pointless fucking shit happening.
It was actually after that book that in retrospect, pretty much all of the books involving the unremembered empire were kinda trash because it had WAY to many characters and way to much shit going on that could not be covered in such a short novel. The unremembered empire books proabbly would have been 10x better if it was just a single writer, and he was given like 2 or 3 more books to write atop of what they already had.
Holy fuck that shit was a mess.

>>96623257
Look for them in The Forges of Saturn, Part 2

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>>96623350
i'm sure it's fine
a little smidge of a long strand managed to escape over the rim and have some flame exposure for a bit though and that was a little malodourous
already huff resin dust like it's no one's business, both chynesium and SLA
not giving a fuck is its own reward. much more fun. helps eliminate some of the psychological basis that can underpin sensitivities too
body's downstream of the mind!

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so what is a good core for mechanicum ... i could probably finally afford an army this edition now that they have plastic and the combat force box. i also have a knight to help fill points ...

Any reason for me to take a praevian? I can get a prime praevian with the IH apex but 200 points for half a techmarine and 2 castellax seems really not worth it compared to anything else in the liber

how long ago was inferno released; it feels like yesterday... i swear i just got these venetarii off FW...

>>96623638
I give you 20 years tops

>>96623155
Basically. Some marines would probably be okay with being entombed entirely.

>>96623788
funny; that's an accurate estimate for the entire world

>>96622322
That's pretty realistic.

>>96623788
death is something to be giddy for and look forward to my dude
you'll see ;3

>>96623257
>Sarcosa
It's been a decade and I'm still getting blueballed by Sarcosa. It would be great to get a shitload of proscribed shit from a campaign book based on what fought over there which is why things like the sarcosan wave generator will live on in homebrew. You know, stuff like 30 pages of units and statlines for legions and the other armies?

>>96623693
They were way better on 1e. Now they're fine, more for a collection/hobby project.

>>96623638
fuckin mesothelioma cunt

>>96623257
>impossible to ignore
And yet everyone has been doing so just fine all this time.

>>96622580
I would think so unless otherwise stated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfBFSCjAeWc

>>96624573
It also occurs to me that iron hands saturnine terminators are going to be wounded on 5s by plasma until you get up to executioner plasmas which wound on 4s

I really should run that terminator detachment and just bring a blocking force of inductii

>>96624868
Of course I guess that does mean any wounding hit is going to also be a breaching hit but whatever the 4+ invuln helps. But for other chapters saturnines will need to make more 2+ saves and IH ones just ignore a lot of shit by being effectively dreadnought toughness

>>96623693
It gives you another slot with logisticl benefit, which is pretty good and hard to fit in the rest of the army
Castellax are not bad this edition either. They have Firestorm

>>96625062
They're not bad, but the praevian effectively doubles their cost since he doesn't do anything himself. A logistical benefit slot might be nice

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>>96623693
Not any more, now that a praevian no longer allows you to take vorax.
No idea what to do with my 6 vorax squad and praevian now. Castellax look fucking ugly so those are not an option.

I still haven't pooped. Unless I can poop I don't think I will be able to make my game tomorrow.

>>96625107
>he doesn't do anything himself
Battlesmith with Int9 and cyber familiar is probably pretty useful. It also makes the castellax able to do reactions

>>96625138
I mean sure, battlesmith (1) isn't nothing but is half of what a 50 point techmarine has

>>96623642
Pick an apex detachment and lean into it.

>>96625130
Drink some whole milk

>>96625159
yes but a techmarine takes up a very useful slot and don't give you an extra slot with logistical benefit
If you don't like castellax it's probably not worth it but I think they look nice

Best ways to differentiate inductees from the normal marines, go.

>>96625314
Make them wear dunce hats.

Anyone got a pdf of the LI Devastation of Tallern book?

>>96625314
Using the iron hands weird mk VI helmets for mine

>>96625314
Make them look more like their 40k iterations

>>96625314
Different squad markings/iconography.

>Mk6 tac squad: 84 $
>Mk3 tac squad: 79 $
>Mk2 tac squad: 85 $

Explain that shit to me

>>96625314
Different color helmet or pads. Depends on the legion but something that stands out less, like black, could work out

>>96625346
Mk3 doesn't come with bayonets

>>96625346
Supply and demand
No one fucking likes nuMkIII so they can't move the stock

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>>96625352
What are these?!

>>96625329
which ones?

>>96625381
ice skates

>>96625388
https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/iron-hands-mk6-heads-2022

They look really distinct, all of my other tac marines are in mk 2 or 3 helmets.

>>96625381
NTA, but he meant the chain bayonets, those are only the actual tactical squad sprue and mysteriously missing from mk3

>>96625402
Those are Mk6? I never would've guessed. They are distinctly IH though, so wouldn't work on other legions

>>96625381
The chain bayonets retard

>>96625381
Those are combat knives, not bayonets.

Who gives a fuck about bayonets

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>>96625440
GW doesn't seem to know the difference.

>>96618648
>TQ
My men thematically eat the dead and potentially make other people creeped out by it? Uh, fuck yes. /Mylore/ already had them be a company that had a Terran core. I think I gotta make a call to Xiang to get more chainswords though

But yeah now I’m like other anon in trying to think of a scheme, which is annoying

>>96618648
>TQ
For UM probably yes. It's a pretty eat unit I think. Having a better sergeant than tactical squads is kinda wild and the couple special weapons are pretty nice to have. BS5 on the Sgt with a combi weapon sounds a lot more useful than on a normal one

>>96625130
Sounds like bitch genetics
>>96625411
Well chain bayonets are a complete waste of points anyway so that makes mkIII even more attractive
> t. All his tacticals have chain bayonets

>>96625434
You can't say bayonets and not specify, that's not on him.

>>96625346
In addition to looking like trash, they still have extra arm vambraces that replace the chain bayonets that go on heavy weapon arms to make them look mkiii

Better scans when?

>>96623817
well that's a negative outlook

>>96625314
Paint them flat gray ceramite and steel
The ones who do shit gradually get real legion colors

Guys im having a bit of an identity crisis. Im starting to realize i think i might paint way better then i think i do and undersell my skills, and idk how i feel about this....

>>96626186
Post models and I shall judge ye

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>>96626194
>>96626194
So this is a dread i did a while back, some one showed me a model they paid a decent amount of money for to be painted up, and the model was by no means a bad painted model it was quite good, but i realized that i painted marginally better and when they told me how much they paid for it i realized...holy fuck i might be under selling my self.

>>96626245
Pretty good stuff. Drill out the top rack of missiles or paint them red. Leaving them painted black makes an otherwise fantastic model look a little unfinished.

>>96626245
looks great, I love the OSL on the plasma (though you extended the white glow a bit more than you should've)

Do you guys ever think about how plastic effectively does not decay so despite the death of mankind your models will pass through the ages warping slightly for sure but remaining fairly recognizable, and so amongst mankind's legacies one part of it will be your unpainted backlog

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Holy fuck anons, I just realized the orange runes on my scorpion glow under the blue light in my living room.
What the fuck

>>96626465
That's very cool.
Why do you have a blue light in your living room?

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>>96626471
The lights we put in our lamps are color changing with a remote (though we only use the orange and white options)
I accidentally pressed the blue option while going to paint, which is why I didn't notice beforehand. This is so cool.

>>96626481
lmao you wrote the runes in cum.

>>96626245
Good checkmarks, good OSL, good checks, no washes, 8/10

>>96626465
>>96626481
you accidentally the maleficarum

>>96626522
>no washes,
is that a + or minus

>>96626465
All scorpions glow under blue/blacklights anon, it's perfectly normal. Cool either way.

>>96626562
it's a plus if you're good it's a minus if you're not.

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>>96626245
I don't know what it is about contemptor dreadnoughts but I have never been able to pose them in anything except basic poses. just about all of them are in the same pose except mirrored or with a tactical rock. Something about the kit just scrambles my brain.

How are the names "Sword of Damocles" and "Screaming for Vengeance" for two rapier quad mortar artillery batteries? Does the imperium actually remember that story? I know there's the damocles gulf but that doesn't necessarily mean anything

>>96626652
how about
Big Chugger and Load Dropper.

>>96626465
>>96626481
did you mix your cum into the paint?

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>>96626652
I don't think rapiers would have extravagant names, if they had them at all. If anything they'd probably have a basic name that's either an inside joke or tied to their squad name.

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>>96626481
>>96626697

>>96626652
It's the Great Crusade I don't think marines are worshiping the weapons platform that they just removed from the shrink wrap.
There hasn't been 10k years of stagnation to make marines think the rapier battery is some holy relic

>>96626592
do acid about it

>>96625327
BUMP BUMP BUMP NIGGA

>>96622661
jævla løk, kjøp lokalt på gamezone eller no

>>96626894
https://gofile.io/d/elZMmi
Negros

I was able to poop. Thank Jesus.

>>96626958
Hopefully this means your shitposting has come to an end.

>>96626958
I told you to drink the milk

Are Asphyx bolters still pistol for some reason?

>>96625314
Mk.V armor
>Here kid, you get the scrap armor

>>96627137
And assault destroyers don't get special weapons

>>96625843
When you do it

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How do you outfit your Myrmidax Archmagos? Do you give him the Abeyant? The Initiative difference might come up. Do you give him a fist or just bank on a meltagun and the gambit? both?

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Getting some progress down on the march of magi, should be able to wrap everyone but the laecrymata boys up this weekend hopefully

Honestly chief I'm kind of considering taking some bloodslaughterers even with how nerfed they are, they're charging deep into opponent's deployment zone by turn 2 and even unbuffed they'll do their job of preventing enemy tacticals from scoring when they pop up and go oooga booga boooga

Let me know how fucking useless these dumbass units are:

>6 man double plasma outrider squadron

>Double grav, volkite, phosphex leviathan

>4 multimelta scimitar jet bikes

>10 man plasma cannon HSS

>>96627939
The thing with Plasma Cannon HSS is that you could probably also run a Tartaros siege squad to get around some of the caveats.

>>96626566
kek

>>96626465
What paint?

>>96627200

Meltagun/fist or gravgun/hammer seem to be the default loadouts for most Magi. Myrmidax are Heavy by default, so you're going last regardless and may as well take both abeyant and fist +1S for cracking vehicles. Your meltagun gambit fires before either party swings anyway.

Chump Magi and Techpriests can get melta or grav depending on what their squad needs most.

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Dracosan completed. Except for the chipping and rust I want to do, but am too chicken to play around with. Thanks to home life this took like 3 weeks to finish so I'm glad it's finally off the table.

>>96628208
Vallejo game color fluorescent orange

>>96628545
Wait really? Huh, I guess my myrmidons will also glow in the dark then

>>96625411
the mk3 sprues have the extra wrist armor for the weapon upgrade arms instead of the chain bayonets.

>>96619070
And the new assault models require basically zero converting for them too.

>>96628965
No fleshlight this time?

>>96628965
didn't even need to see the italian crap to know you've got shit taste

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>>96622161
Much like Calth.

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>>96628965
The national drink of OPs.

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>>96629155
I dunno fag punch sounds pretty based

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Why does the objectively coolest legion get the least representation?

>>96628965
> Here is my [nerd thing]
> BUT SURROUNDED BY ALCOHOL SO YOU KNOW IM COOL BRO
this is pathetic. This poster can't lift and should be physically afraid to walk alone at night

>>96626944
Noooo it expired

>>96629364
Always the IH.
BA experienced thousands of years to decay into the point they are at in 40k.
IH speed ran the depression and degradation and went straight to full blown psychotic by the end of the HH. IH fully embrace what the setting is to become whole so much of the rest of the factions are whining about 'muh corruption' or 'muh ideals'

>>96629364
happens when your primarch dies during first big battle of the hersy

>>96628545
Cheers. I was considering that one for status tokens and volkite. Now I just need to find somebody who does a red for lenses, since the Game Color fluorescent equivalent is more pink-ish. Unless that or orange can work well with AL.

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>>96629400
Exactly, writers always make this transhuman angst a big deal for marines but then ignore the most transhumanist of all legions
>>96629402
He was weak and should've embraced more augmentation. We don't need marvel slop, faceless dudes with fully enclosed helmets are where it's at. Except moonman, he can stay.

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I have a question for more expirianced anons here, because I am running out of ideas. How do you store your tanks especialy the large ones like two kratos or Cyklopos?

>>96629364
mostly it is that they are superficially very uninteresting and unappealling with a drab colour scheme and generic aesthetic. I imagine anyone who likes the cybernetic stuff is likely to be funneled towards the mechanicum also. It doesn't help that they are written basically like a traitor legion being so twisted and cursed that no one will ever feel like a good guy when playing them.

>>96629438
>superficially very uninteresting and unappealling with a drab colour scheme and generic aesthetic
huh? Black and silver is a great color scheme, and the various mechanical augmentations, extra lenses, cog shaped trim and layered armor plates are very distinctive.
>So twisted and cursed that no one will ever feel like a good guy
You're not supposed to feel like a good guy when playing this game

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>>96629460
Dark Angels are the very definition of good. Knightly Nobility. The First and the Best. Fallen but unbroken.

>>96629501
>Traitors
>Closeted
>Prone to friendly fire
>Didn't show up to Terra
>Abandoned the Imperium
I can go on

>>96629433
I have a Detolf. It's still not really big enough to store multiple tanks larger than a Pred on one shelf

>>96629517
>Traitors

No DA has ever gone traitor, it is against their nature. And if someone did then they would never have been a real DA in the first place.

>Closeted
>Prone to friendly fire

I think you are mixing up legions. It is the IW that shell their ally. And maybe AL and NL.

>Didn't show up to Terra

Without Corswain sacrifice and the relighting on navigator lighthouse NO ONE would have made it to terra.

>Abandoned the Imperium
Litteraly spearheaded the scourging.

>>96629570
This is what a fully organic brain does to your reasoning. Shameful really

>>96629527
>Detolf
Hmm that is an idea. I am going to have to check the local IKEA, if they sell ones that aren't super tall. Thanks for the help.

>>96629583
I think they were discontinued bud

>>96629570
ngmi

>>96629517
> Traitors
Shitty nu lore says ummm ACKUALLY every legion had traitors? Ok?
> Closeted
Le gay jokes are cringe as fuck. Queers don't need to be a part of fucking everything, they simply don't matter
> Prone to friendly fire
The DA are the first legion, the originals, the closest to the Emperor's original design. The rest of the Legions are mongrels bred for set purposes and lacking the purity of purpose of the originals. The other legions don't even count as humans or transhuman and may be killed by their betters at will
> Didn't show up at Terra
Corswain literally saved Earth by freeing the warp beacon, the charge of the 10000 Knights of Caliban onto Earth was one of the only good parts of the very cringe Siege of Terra series
> Abandoned the Imperium
They are the only legion that are true to the Emperor's purpose for Space Marines

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>>96629867
>all legions having traitors is shitty nulore

>uhh this part in a BL novel that makes my pet fag legion look cool isn't shitty nulore though, that part is actually good lore™

So rad grenades aren't limited to 1 like frag grenades, right? So 5 destroyers can throw 3 rad grenades, a phosphex bomb, and their missile launcher? I can't find anything saying it's limited.

I was thinking of getting a destroyer squad and giving them volkite pistols but why would I ever use pistols

>>96629900
to use two pistols at once

>>96629882
Not all the nu lore (this literally includes all the black books, fyi) is shit.
The retarded cop out of 'oh now everyone had traitors and loyalists' diminishes the legions that stayed loyal, diminished the sacrifices of the loyalist legionnaires on Istvaan III, and was just a hollow reason to justify 'well anyone can fight anyone in HH!!! Buy more models!!!' bullshit. You can count on one hand the number of positive editions to the canon with the 'some loyalists legions had traitor elements' (and that's basically just the WS series written by Wraight)

>>96629904
I mean yeah they look cool but I don't see a point in swapping off of the two bolt pistols if they're just going to be fastballing cancer every time they're within 8 inches

>>96629867
True and real. And better then I could ever say myself with my bad english.

Traitor Ultramarines are the best because it's not gay daddy issues that drives them but rather a pursuit of power and wishing to create their own realm in imitation of Ultramar. Just base your traitor leader on Marius, Sertorius and Catalina.

>>96629913
what kind of gay faggot dislikes the idea of loyalist legions having traitor elements in them?
> just a hollow reason to justify 'well anyone can fight anyone in HH!!! Buy more models!!!' bullshit
fuck you nigger, its cool and your shitty fucking legion is gay (everyone thinks so too)

>>96629867
I can't tell if this a joke about how dark angels were originally the only loyalist legion with traitors
>captcha: G4JYW
Come on that's not nice, the gay jews are the night lords

My goal is to take enough phosphex and rad weapons to make every planet I fight on uninhabitable, loyalist or traitor is irrelevant

>>96629986
This is the way

>>96629986
The Dreadwing aproves.

>>96629501
HEY! someone saved and posted my model!
Im the guy who painted this one >>96626245

>>96630093
what is your monthly penis intake?

>>96629501
>very definition of good. Knightly Nobility
Also as a dark angels fan....
Bro....
No...
They are literally warcrimes the legion. FFS they literally have an entire section of their legion whos entire point is to use the most fucked up weapons of the dark age of technology, to decimate the enemy. They have a bigger hard on for phosphex then the DG do.
Do they have honor and nobility? Sure
But its more like honor among thieves

>>96626933
Norsk? I min Horus sitt kjetteri tråd??

>>96629517
>>Abandoned the Imperium
Nah they literally nuked traitor home worlds

>>96629433
Foam companies used to sell custom foam for that, dunno if they still do

>>96629583
Detolfs were discontinued a few years back, anon. Apparently the glass had a habit of spontaneously shattering, supposedly due to thermal expansion/contraction cycles.

That said, it’s not like you’re hurting for choice for hobby display cabinets. As long as you’re willing to spend some cash, there’s a lot of comparable glass cases out available.

>>96625346
Did they raise prices again?

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Saw that the Inductii rules dropped a couple days ago.
Do I hate them or not?

>>96622982
>Get that nigger off my thunderhawk
KEK

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>>96630183
no, you like them