Knightly EditionPrevious thread:>>96618648>Legacies:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Thread Question:Whats your take on "knighthood" in 30k?
>>96631953Spotted the Goldship
>>96631953The prettier they are, the more fun they are to warcrime from a distance.
>>96631953> TQKnighthood on Marines is gay. So is empathy (Salamanders), honour (Space Wolves) and siege mentality (Iron Warriors).Marines are engines of war and should be treated as such. Uncompromising, uncompromised by notions of fairness, and utterly bereft of morality.
>>96631953>TQMy characters are named after the knights of the round table and I don't even play DA.
>>96631995>Magos, I need your strongest pixels
>>96631953Would I be hated for bringing 2 compemptors and 1 leviathan this edition?
>>96632032You mean in 3.0? No.
>>96632032There's less obvious ways to throw the game
>>96632049Dreadnoughts are still rather decent actually, outside /hhg/'s imaginary realm where only WS 5 terminators with terminators exist.
>>96632072meant to say with thunder hammers lmao
>>96632072You dont need to kill them, they can get stuck in place with a much cheaper unit. Blast contenmptors are goo though.Personally I point my deliverers at them and they make any dread dissapear
>>96632032I would hate you if you go with the status spamming contemptors
>>96632157Which are those? I only have fists and heavy bolter compemptors
>>96632174Heavy bolters on dreadnoughts are actually one of the better weapons now. Cheapest option, lost of shots, and with damage 2 as well. No clue why kheres assault cannons cost more, must still be paying for their sins in 1.0
Would you use the grav cannon on Preds?
the whole 3.0 and 3 year cycle thing has been a real bummer. i think the gw lies were the most annoying part and the paid shills running defense for them are a close second.
>>96632214Yes. Grav cannons are scary now that they got ap 3 and pinning, and predators are faster and a lot more durable than rapiers.
>>96631953Equites
>>96632298Actually kinda based
>>96632298>Fulgrim as a musical Uhhh femoids are NOT supposed to be based
>>96632174Havoc launcher + gravgun + heavy flamerThat's on top of 2 fists, which, no matter how much /hgg/ bitches about WS4 are still pretty great since dreads gained an attack and the dual fisting gives them anotherAnd you can give them +1WS with a techpriest anyways
>>966323515% of foids are actually based, basically for every faggot there's one based foid. It's the Tao's way of maintaining spiritual balance.
Just need done cleanup and to wrap up their basing and these guys are done. What are y'all working on?
>>96632373So tired of the 95% that I don't wanna bother trying to discover if that 5% actually exists.
>>96632451Following on from this, what are peoples thoughts with stacking different types of status causing weapons in squads?
>>96632508I think a single type is enough for melee units, if you grav them and pin them they're down to I1 and can't cap, doesn't matter if they've got 1 or 10 statuses
>>96632525Yeah, but if you have multiple statuses it's multiple rolls they have to pass to clear them, and if they have a nuncio vox they can only use it to clear one status.
>>96632508Not sure if it's worth the hassle. Units can test to remove every one at the end of their own turn anyway, and if they become Routed then all other status effects are removed as well.
>>96632553You can shoot them with grav shredders, and if they pass you just volley fire with grav shredders.
>>96632556Right, so you hit them with 2 statuses, they have a 50/50 chance of passing lets say, so with 1 status it's a 50% chance it sticks and with 2 statuses it's a 75% chance one sticks. Or they clear one with a nuncio vox and still have another one on them.
>>96632238yep- fuck pardo (unironic)
so why exactly are the pdfs in the op 300-500mb for a single book and still somehow horrible quality
>>96632605>a 50/50 chance of passingMost units aren't militia anon.
>>96632622That was just an example of the math dipshit, hence "lets say"It doesn't matter what the percents are it is less likely they pass 2 than pass 1
>>96632618we need a super genius like yourself to make us better ones
>>96632508>>96632451Thanks, as I said I have 7 of them with chain swords, and I'm deciding on changing them to bolters again... I don't want to but well...
>>96632675It's fucked up how bayonets and chainswords are basically cosmetic now.
>>96632508It's pretty great. Idk what they other anons are smoking but at least with marines 1 status test even at -1 is not exactly guaranteed to work.Havoc launchers are pretty great on rhinos for how cheap they are so it's not like you need all the status weapons on each unit but if you want something to have a status then it's a lot better to force them into taking several different testsEither that or bring that LoW that inflicts everything on -2 with a 7" bast and just fuck whatever you want once per turn
>>96632686Yeah like I have plasma pistol + chainsword sergeants, and some combi-plasma + chainsword ones, and it feels like all of those are pretty shit and I should give them combiflamers or combigrav or something. The chainsword is decorative and a plasma pistol feels only marginally better than a boltgundesu I feel like combi-volkites might be nice since they're not limited but where the fuck do you get one of those. Or just give them a combi bolter
>>96632686Outside of 2.0 both chainswords and bayonets have always been only cosmetic. Chainswords always had the same stats as a basic close combat weapon outside of 2.0, and bayonets should never have gotten rules to begin with.
>>96632719>>96632720>>96632719>>96632720I have 20 marines with bayonets... I'll just run them as inducti and pay for the damn right to bring them, but yeah it's a shame melee this edition is not so favorable>>96632721This man has 0 taste
>>96632719I just ordered a siege breaker and am going to be rocking 3 phosphex rapiers lmao
>>96631972Ngl I find myself kind of enjoying the game of I Spy in every thread. It’s nonintrusive enough that you have to be actively searching to notice them.
>>96631991Are there any decent excerpts of Destroyers in action? All I recall is some stuff about the UM Nemesis chapter.
>>96631995>honour>Space Wolves
>1 10 man tac squad to hold backfield (Combat vets)>1 10 man inductii squad to hold midfield>2 12 man immortal squads with lascutters in rhinos to form a front lineThoughts?
>>96633100I mean you should fill out all of your troop slots desu, get another inductii squad in there or maybe destroyers in a rhinoAlso consider termites for immortals, just pop up wherever and shoot the shit out of someone
>>96633176despoilers rather not destroyers. or assault marines.
>>96633100>>96633176also I realize now when you say combat vets you mean the prime unit, not a veteran tactical squad so nevermind
Effrita are so fucking nasty. took them out for their first game today and they oneshot a few termies (rolled hot and killed 4 catas in one volley) but the real BS is their debuff. Had a librarian for Fear(1) and basically nothing could escape the deluge of status effects.I was worried when I saw they lost rerolls to wound but the ability to basically increase the average intelligence/cool roll by ~1.5 is fucking insane
>>96633274Don't effrits have shotguns? What the fuck are you oneshotting termies with?
>>96633281They have banestrike shotties, meaning 6s to wound are ap2 and D2. A unit of ten has 20 shots at bs5 and will average almost 3 ap2 D2 wounds. I rolled 6 6's (like I said I rolled hot) and my opponent failed 4 invulns.
>Played a 1k point game>Brought mostly units with Line 2>Opponent only has one tactical squad, but also a couple of units with vanguard>Not too worried, people have been talking about how useless vanguard is>Turn 1>Rush all my troops onto the objectives>/hhg/ has taught me this would be unbeatable because of how all the VP you score, after all>Maximum VP score>Opponents turn>The first unit with Vanguard closes in on one of my troops on an objective>All fine, just gotta use a movement reaction to move off the obje->It was at this point I realised that there are more objectives than there are reaction points>And I got weak troops standing on every single one>Other Vanguard units end move 1" away from units on other objectives>Can't move everything off the objectives>All my troops get charged>Including the one that did move away>Lose almost all infantry in one assault phase>Spend the rest of the game desperately trying to do some damage to try and force an elite unit off at least one objective>Fail spectacularly because tacticals can't shoot a dent in warm butter>Opponent ends up with a massive VP score thanks to Vanguard and being able to farm objectives uncontested because I basically had no more troops left>I never scored any additional VP after turn 1Guess that's what I get for listening to tactical advice on /hhg/
>>96633346>Playing at 1k and complaining the game isn't balanced at that level when it's design for 3kYou might just be retarded anon.ehat were your respective lists?
>>96633381I had a centurion, a 20 man tactical squad, two 10 man tactical squads in rhinos, a recon squad with snipers for pinning, and a melta predator because that's the best anti-tank I got for now. Opponent had a centurion, one tactical squad, five reavers in a rhino, five terminators, a deredeo, and an assault squad.
>>96631991From pistol distance.
>>96633426from not in melee distance
>>96633421Tbh anon you kind of lost at the list building stage. The reason 1k sucks for HH is that you can't reasonably make a versatile list, leading to a much worse rock-paper-scissors experience. You picked paper and he picked scissors. I presume you're still in the process of building your army so I would advise you to get a lot more firepower. 40 tacs is a pretty decent amount for a 3k list, get some melee and strong shooting.
>>96633346>i didn't understand the game at all>here are the three ways I failed to understand the game>this game is bad I tells yathe advice is sound, you can't win without scoring units, you just went all-in on units that couldn't hold their ownyour opponent's score couldn't have been that high if he was getting his VP from Vanguard at 1k, but you did hand most of that directly to him by not even remotely learning how the game works
>>96633346>throw game on purpose>I cant believe HHG had general advice for 3k games and I also completely disregarded basic tacticsWere this post not bait I would have advice
>Pyromancy psychic discipline is better than the pyrae traitI JUST want to light shit on fire not fucking lookin' into the future to shoot guys better like a fukken Sniper main faggot.
Where exactly are the rules for Firestorm?
>>96633346Big Brain Tactics: Never put Line squads on top of objectives, put them within 3" to score. Remove those closest to the objective as shooting casualties so you stop contesting the objective, denying the chance of Vanguard.>>96633528Gives the unit volleys at full BS and can choose not to charge after volleying
>>96633571>Gives the unit volleys at full BS and can choose not to charge after volleyingYes but WHERE are they? I can hardly ask an opponent to take my word for it.
>>96633586hidden on the barcode of the jetbikes box
>>96633586Liber Astartes/Hereticus Rules Appendix
>>96633593I do actually literally have a magnifying glass I WILL go get it so I can see how much I care for your lame attempts at humor. Now answer the question.
>>96633615Anon you can't complain that you're missing rules when you've got a pirated copy, you got something for the grand old price of free, you get the quality of something that's free. Buy a book if it bothers you lol.
>>96633615Find it yourself fuckhead
>>96633634Your are, of course, correct. However I have recovered the rules I required so you are, simultaneously, too late.
>>96632802Bring back additional attack for one handed cc weapon and pistol etc. Make chain bayonet 1+ strength/shred but two handed. Bayonet regular 1+ strength two handed. Have a reason to still select chainsword for the extra attack. I feel like this gives a little choice?
>>96633717The problem is that shred got completely cucked as a rule, it's practically cosmetic.
>>96633757Would you opt for shred being re roll to wound instead of 2 damage?
>>96633765No rerolls is one of the better changes. Shred should be old brutal on the roll value. Eg 5+ for 2 saves.
>>96633765of course, but for some reason they decided this is the edition of no rerolls, because fuck consistency
>>96633783Okay so for chainswords you’re saying on a roll of 6+ make two saves ALA brutal from 2.0 as an example? Increases the chances of making a wound slightly? Doesn’t seem bad and seems fair/fluffy.
>>96633765Shred should be +1 t wound. Hatred should be +1 to hit.
>>96633802it's also completely worthless since it probably maths out at something like less than a 5% dmg boost, meaning it's just pointless bookkeeping
>>96633803just take every weapon with shred and give it +1A instead
>>96633812Also acceptable
>>96633809It's way better than that. It doesn't overkill 1w models and kills more of them.
>>96633834so you're suggesting a 6 to wound would actually work like "sustained wounds", scoring two wounding hits that can kill two separate models?
Chainswords don't need anything despoilers just need to not cost the same as tacticals. You're not supposed to keep chainswords. The real sin is power swords not getting +1 attack, and power weapons not being 5 points across the board
>>96633863There are MANY problems not in th
My LGS will soon offer proonting services. Can I find model scans for free on cults or other big sites? Are files with no pics but high likes good bets?
>>96633898I love Uma Musume magos, even if his lore is just "he's an asshole who keeps running away"
>>96633863It's also annoying that power swords are the same cost as lightning claws on the melee weapon chart, but claws are just power sword + an extra rule. Power swords feel pretty lame, which sucks because you get so many of the fucking things. Axes are where it's at, and I also like the lance.Honestly I really like charnabal sabers, especially for any kind of unit champions. Like my command squad champ runs charnabal + shield, he's not going to kill a centurion but with +1 init and +2 to focus might kill an optae or something. And if you're fighting armor 2 it's just a straight upgrade over a power sword.
>>96633909have power swords ever been the pick though?
>>96633915Not since 2nd edition
Paired Lightning Claws or 1x Claw + Combat Shield for a Jump Praetorian Retinue sarge?
>>96634150I definitely like the shield for +1 focus and the 5+ invuln, he can issue a challenge and let the actual commander fuck up the squad
>>96634150Claw + Shield sounds like it could look good
>>96634164>>96634177I'll look into doing that then. Would mauls or claws be a better fit for half of the squad? Points are pretty tight currently.
Honky tonk trio
>>96633919Good in 3e too.Power Swords are like Plasma in HH it seems-they’ve given allllll these other things, which end up being more bits they want you to buy, that fulfill the ‘armor piercing Marine killer’ those weapons have been since….yeah 2/3e maybe longer (and every goddamn book/bit of lore as well) better than them BUT because of said history they use them as filler for the boxes/art etc to say you got your monies worth. I’ve thought about it a bit as a forever sword fan and general plasma gun enjoyer. Luckily my favorite Warhammer in general weapons are LC and PF so I’m not completely screwed for my army loadouts but still…..power sword with a plasma pistol is like quintessential 30/40k weaponry. Just goes to show how much they’ve lost touch, among the million other reasonsSuffice to say, I’m curious about these homebrew ideas and a couple already seem reasonable/ones I mulled
This might just be my mental, but has anyone else noticed an uptick in low-effort shitposting and pointless bickering in the last few months?The thread is becoming more similar in style to 40kg, and I'm concerned.
I've seen a couple of saturnine conversions putting claws on the fists, is there a kit that's a good source of these or is it just like leftover daemon prince bits and would be painful to acquire on a unit wide scale
I mean, they were great in 4th as well, like up until terminators got 2 wounds power swords were a reliable go to weapon.They might only wound on a 4+, but all that was stopping a 40 point terminator from dropping dead with a single power sword wound was the 5++. Now even vet tactical marines have 2 wounds and so you need to hit them with a power fist or thunder hammer to put them down.They were 10 points (or 15 for multi wound characters) in an edition where characters had like 2-3 wounds, terminators had 1 wound, and not only did they ignore armor saves but also denied FNP. Now they're still 10 points 20 years later but are only a threat to basic bitch tactical marines.
>>96634326I'm not sure about the scale, but since Possessed are oversized marines they're worth a look.
Played a couple of games of LI today. Here's my DarkMech and Aux messing up some Imperial Fists.
>>96634318The fuck are you on about, this place was a rancid sithole even in 2015, no one here plays the game which is why you get the fabrications of 10 Terminators in a spartan somehow being the meta even 10 years later
>>96634326primaris bits
