Ferengi, Yet Again, Ruin Everything Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96641108>TQWhich Ferengi from DS9 will they make black?
>TQYou can't just make Ferengi black anon, it doesn't work like that
>>96646497>Its weird they are all the same color, very problematic
I'm trying to finish building Wandering Minstrel but I'm like sitting at 92 cards from done, not sure what I want for the last few other than like default landfall staples.
>>96646460>>TQ>Which Ferengi from DS9 will they make black?Nah, I think they will make Spock and Picard either black or asian (or both).
>>96646612If they make Picard black, im out
>>96646612But will they make Worf a woman?That's the real question.
>>96646606not real magic, go back to your containment zone
>>96646460I bet this Mark Rose water guy would go crazy if /ourgirl/ started kicking his feet
>>96646460MTG sisters, things are looking ogre…
>>96646653Actually it's just beginningDid you know that the majority of players like UBs? It's you who are the vocal minority. The anti-science, hateful, "tribal" using, proxy printing crowd. Magic is doing better than ever! We need more UBs to fix the bigotry in our player base.
>>96646647How dare you presume Sophia would footsie with a ferenig, she is a godess you fucking plebe
>>96646653why the hell seven sets? who the fuck asked for this?
>>96646653We really should just change the thread title to >/ubg/ - Universes Beyond General at this point
>>96646665Thats just the fags who actually take surveys. Most sane people don't take surveys which is why I don't trust them
>>96646722>Thats just the fags who actually take surveys. Most sane people don't take surveysWhat's that? Account for selection bias?Ah, but you see, if we don't account for it the results are in favor of our ideas. Therefor, we will not.
>>96646722>giving up your vote is the sane optionsmartest /mtg/ poster
>>96646681I once saw a man eat two sonic foot long hot dogs, a shit ton of french fires and mozzarella stick, and chug some milk before shitting his pants at the LGS. He just kept playing Magic, and none of the players did anything about it. I am so fucking done with this disgusting ass game. It's almost fitting that WOTC is just turning it int a literal fucking meme game at this point.
I hope they go fill Sci-Fi with Star Trek. I don't give a fuck anymore.
>>96646784>I hope they go fill Sci-Fi with Star Trek. I don't give a fuck anymore.Stockholm syndrome is crazy tho.
>>96646665>>96646722>>96646727When were those surveys done though? When it was just a commander set and LOTR it was one thing, when it out numbers the non UB sets thats a totally different environment.
>>96646784The art for that game looks kinda sick ngl
>>96646814https://web.archive.org/web/20221225080944/https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/space-academy-lesson-one-2007-02-26Well, it's Magic the Gathering, after all.
>>96646805>When were those surveys done though?Frequently, but they only discuss results from surveys that specifically support their goals.For example, if they want to gaslight people on how much UB is loved, they'll only cite results from the poll they did directly after Final Fantasy's launch.These types of tactics are fucking everywhere. You should fully commit yourself to spotting them everywhere they appear, refuse to believe such evil, malicious lies, and point every attempt at this style of gaslighting out to everybody at every possible chance.Any group, company, government etc., and I mean A N Y group that cites polls as a reason to push some agenda is using rigged polls. NO. EXCEPTIONS. ZERO. NO EXCEPTIONS, NOT EVEN ONE.
>>96646743Cute you think your vote matters. JOTC and Hasbro will do what makes money. They just use "survey results" to justify that.
>>96646819We polled 6,000,000 Magic players and determined all UW sets will be about Ugin having sex with Bolas, following 100% of audience feedback.
>>96646817I want
I love shadowmoor!
Where are the Avatar spoilers? The set is less than 2 months away!
When are we getting Universes Beyond: Scooby-Doo, Where are you?
I barely started watching the show, wait with the spoilers.
>>96646848Anon, Nicole is a girl. She's not gay.
>>96646901That's not what the numbers say!
>>96646842Hmm maybe we should try to communicate to them that certain actions won't make money, I wonder how that could be done. It sure would suck if all the communication at them indicated people loved UB and that they would make bank doing it.
>>96646897I feel like that'd suit a Secret Lair more than anything. Just reskin this as Shaggy, the token as Scooby, and the rest of the gang can be any number of things.
>>96646897Honestly probably pretty soon
>>96646653Its fine because in-universe magic is receiving more attention than ever
>>96646874I love the even earlier concept of the kithkin with normal eyes. Looks like a caveman.
>>96646917The sheer Pilpul on display is astounding.
>>96646819Do you think suits base business decisions on vibes? What the fuck do you think market research entails? Their agenda is making money, if they conduct enough polls that indicate they lose money by doing UB, they'd stop doing them.
>>96646945>Companies changing policies because of poll.Hilarious They change once they run face first into avoidable problems
>>96646917>>96646943Every time I see it, it only gets funnier
>>96646955anon, do you think they would rather lose money after making a mistake or avoid losing money by testing the waters with polling or other research?it's not hard to figure out, they really hate losing money, there's a reason they spend millions on this shit, they're risk adverse as fucklook at the recent sets of MTG and HS, there's a bunch of similar concepts because they're following the same results, they don't just pick on a whim
>>96646945When it comes specifically to creative IP-centered product lines like MTG, the primary incentive is BlackRock/Vanguard/State Street investment coercion vis-a-vis consulting firms, and the biased hiring preferences of corporate HR departments.>if they conduct enough polls that indicate they lose money by doing UB, they'd stop doing them.The point is that they could make as much money without UB. Relying on UB is an admission of their own failure. The leaders of the company are not confident in the company's own ability to cultivate a saleable IP. They do not trust the creative talent beneath them, and rightfully so, the creatives at WotC are beyond incompetent and some of least talented people to ever do it. (No shade to the contracted authors. The actual quality of literature is usually fine. I'm talking the in-house people.)Many UB sets have been total fucking dumpsterfires. But they just go on shouting and shouting that Final Fantasy was amazing! Look how good Final Fantasy sold! They're chasing the dragon. It is not sound strategy. UB Is not successful. SPECIFIC SETS from UB are, but not UB as a whole. UB ha shad as many failures as it has had successes.
>>96646917>a book and some comicsWow, we've never gotten those before! It's not like that sort of stuff used to be a baseline expectation. Not at all.>Netflix series and a movieTotally happening for real this time! Just 2 more years! Okay, maybe more like 3 years. 2030 at the latest.
>>96647009>Wow, we've never gotten those before! It's not like that sort of stuff used to be a baseline expectation. Not at all.I, for one, got a laugh out of MaRo trying to sell what used to just be freely integrated into the game in Fat Packs as some sort of selling point. As if he wasn't fucking around during that period. Did he forget or something?
>>96646995So you agree the creative team sucks. You understand WotC understands this too. And then for some reason you think they're going to double down on this failure instead of pivoting to a new strategy? Because of some shadow cabal bogeyman pushing cultural ideals? It's incredible the amount of cope people will spew to avoid the idea that rich people want to stay rich and get richer. There is no dogma outside of that. The only UB failure so far has been AC (maybe spiderman too, too soon to call), and we don't even know if it failed hard enough to lose money, it just underperformed. In contrast, we do know that FF and LOTR outsold everything by a mile and then some, it's no surprise the suits are willing to do more UB sets. They could probably push out 10 nonprofitable UB sets for every FF/LTR and still come out on top compared to UW.
>>96647027>So you agree the creative team sucks. You understand WotC understands this too. And then for some reason you think they're going to double down on this failure instead of pivoting to a new strategy?You say this as if pivoting to the worst fucking possible idea they could have ever come up with that is UB is somehow the only other strategy available to them.
>>96647038What exactly do you think those alternatives are? They are clearly making money off UB. To divert course, you'd need to convince them they'd make more money with some other option.
>>96647009Yeah bragging about one book and a comic series is hilarious when you used to get a whole novel or at least a preview in fatpacks. Granted, the writing quality was all over the place. The shadowmoor anthology was pretty great. Other stories? Well…
>>96646917Seriously when i read this blatant bunch of lies and condescending remarks i feel actually mad. How the fuck can you straight lie on the face of your playerbase, shit on them without even asking and then almost like joking say you are actually working harder than ever to keep the game within in universe because you made a bunch of garbage nobody cares about? I wish this had actual consequences for this bastards…
>>96647047Test of Metal being retconned to an actual fever dream is still pretty funny.
>>96647027>They could probably push out 10 nonprofitable UB sets for every FF/LTR and still come out on top compared to UW.FF and LTR did really good, but there's no need to get hyperbolic. If WotC pushed out 10 unprofitable sets for every big success, they'd be completely fucked. The stockholders don't have that kind of patience to wait for that. Heads would roll if you got more than 2 flops in a row, let alone motherfucking 10.
>>96647046>What exactly do you think those alternatives are?Not digging yourself into a pit with trash soft lore resets several times would be a good place to start.But if you were dumb enough to already do that?Hire better people is the obvious one. If the problem is incompetence within the chain of command, you get rid of the incompetent people. You don't promote those stupid losers while simultaneously cannibalizing your IP and selling it out to whatever foreign corporation wants to pound its rectum next.Other options are to downsize and restructure so you can get a handle on product cycles again. Or, oh, I don't know, not being a materialist retard hellbent on incinerating every possible thing you can touch just for the sake of having one more penny land in your pocket? That might be a good place to start.>To divert course, you'd need to convince them they'd make more moneyQuiet your materialist bullshit. This kind of fanatic devotion to sacrificing culture at the altar of profit is why the world is dying a slow set of a thousand new deaths every day.
>I am a pig and I eat slop
>>96647058I honestly couldn’t even tell you from memory what tezzeret stuff was still canon
>>96646977You place far too much faith in them. These are the people who thought Aftermath was a good idea. You really think they performed extensive market research to come to that conclusion? You think it was a risk-averse decision?
>>96647087Great image. The metaphysics of slop is truly revolt the the educated mind.
>>96647087It’s unfortunate that having any semblance of taste is seen as being a Debbie downer and that any legitimate grievance gets you lumped in with people who think black Aragorn means the total collapse of civilization
>>96647087Literal Magic situation. Is kinda funny seeing the comparison with a restaurant but the result is indeed the same.
>>96647087This is just a textual form of that one image about more and more people joining a hobby until the original people become alienated.
>>96647106>It’s unfortunate that having any semblance of taste is seen as being a Debbie downer and that any legitimate grievance gets you lumped in with people who think black Aragorn means the total collapse of civilizationIt's a disgusting state of affairs, and the people who partake in accusing those with taste of being judgmental only exist to ruin everything.The ability to discern quality from slop is a virtue. Only people without virtue would recoil from such a thing.
>>96647087I saw this post too, pokemoki is a real one
>>96647086>Hire better people is the obvious oneThat's doubling down. They've spent decades looking for "better people", it clearly hasn't worked. Magic's lore has never been a selling point, most customers don't even know it exists.>downsize and restructureThat's what they did. There were no lost tears at books no longer releasing, or stories getting cut.>oh, I don't know, not being a materialist retard hellbent on incinerating every possible thing you can touch just for the sake of having one more penny land in your pocket?>Quiet your materialist bullshit.Anon, you don't have to convince me about that. You need to convince them. It does us no favors to cope, the reality of the situation is that the vast majority of people with vast wealth are actively trying to increase their wealth through any means possible. You don't get to that level without being that kind of person. We should act according to reality, not what we wish reality was.>>96647068Fair enough.
>>96647145>That's doubling down. They've spent decades looking for "better people"No they haven't lmao. The fuck are you talking about? Look at the genuine morons they've hired of late and tell me with a straight face they were looking for talent.They were looking for yes men and hiring on passion. Not a single person working at WotC right now has any experience in or knowldge of game design.> Magic's lore has never been a selling point, most customers don't even know it exists.Genuine schizophrenic nonsense and one of the most retarded takes I have ever seen.Even worse than that. This is actually a large claim that quality lore doesn't impact the success of a tabletop game. at large It is stupidity beyond stupidity to make a claim like that.>That's what they did. They did the literal opposite of this. You are either so incomprehensibly stupid that you have somehow mistaken addition for subtraction, or are just a shill blatantly lying to try to shit out even a single good to say about the trashfire that is WotC.>here were no lost tears at books no longer releasing, or stories getting cut.Anon, novels got cut in 2008.>Anon, you don't have to convince me about that. You need to convince themApparently I do need to convince you, because you are apparently dogmatically dedicated to running cover for their vile behavior as if you enjoy the taste of their cum.
>>96647106>>96647115THEY TURNED QUARK INTO A BIPOC
I’ve been slowly offloading my collection to people on TCGplayer, which has overall been a fine experience. But every so often, I get some psycho who orders 20+ chaff cards and loses his mind at the hypothetical damage I’ve done to his cards because I didn’t put every single one in it’s own top loader and send the entire thing in twelve layers of bubble wrap. Picrel is up there with the guy who blew up my inbox because the single drossforge bridge he ordered had a small roller line in the corner and was therefore not “near mint,” and I refunded him instead of sending him a replacement.
>>96647185Seems we'll have to agree to disagree, which is fine. I do want to say though, at no point in my posts did I ever say their actions were a good thing or that I liked them. I'm simply pointing out why they did it, because deluding ourselves about the situation we're in is a losing strategy.
>>96647188You are literally 100% of what is wrong with TCGplayer, STOP BEING A BAD SHIPPER
>>96647087I need to know in Magic who are “the pigs” specifically?
>>96647199>deluding ourselves about the situation we're in is a losing strategy.You know what's an even worse losing strategy?Defending the actions of your enemy.
>>96647203>I need to know in Magic who are “the pigs” specifically?He's called SaffronOlive.
>>96647214SAFFFFFROOOON O-LIVE
>>96647203Everyone but me
>>96647201I got other shit to do besides blowing inordinate amounts of money to ship a guy 25 pyknites in such a manner that the outbreak of global thermonuclear war wouldn’t risk damaging them at all. There’s limits to what you can fit inside of a PWE.
>>96647234AH BLU BLU BLU, MY JOB IS HARD >this is you
>>96646009Oh yeah, some level of levity's definitely necessary. It's just that Duskmourn is too deep into the levity and it comes off as subverting its own intent. A sense of whimsy is good and should be cultivated, but not to the point of removing any gravity from the setting. Basically: if the guys making the plane don't want to take it seriously, why would I?
>>96647245I didn’t say it was hard, and it ain’t my job. You just get what you pay for. And 25 pyknites gets you penny sleeves and scotch tape on a top loader.
>>96647252>Basically: if the guys making the plane don't want to take it seriously, why would I?A reasonable take. Diagetic levity is always fine.nuMagic comedy almost always takes the form of 4th-wall breaks though. All the cringiest flavor text / lore of the past fell into this category. And those moments are remembered as shit for a reason.
>>96647261Tell us what you charge for shipping (you won't)
>>96647269Free over five dollars, 1.31 below that, which is the minimum TCGplayer allows.Shipping costs on TCGplayer are an illusion in the first place. Your listings are nearly always going to be prioritized by lowest price + shipping, so you either roll shipping into your price or lower your price to compensate shipping. It’s kind of funny how much TCGplayer prices are taken as gospel for in-person trades given that if the model permitted shipping costs to actually reflect a specific shipping method, they’d all probably be higher.
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>>96647308A Graham O'Brien Food deck sounds like the most boring thing in the world.
>>96646460Did the ferengi really say Nagus? I thought it was Magus
>>96646653>More UB sets then in-universe sets nowGod I'm so glad I quit this jewish game.
>>96647404>More UB sets then in-universe sets nowWithin ONE YEAR of it being jammed (unwelcome) into Standard. ONE YEAR was all it took for a majority of the game to be devoured.
>>96647188Holy fuck dude people are retarded. I don't even sleeve my $20 cards in my storage box anymore I mean the difference in price between nm and lp is so negligible
Did Eilidh say a single word during this PT's coverage? She just sat there at the desk getting mogged by Booba-Batholdi.
>>96647415You need to understand that these decisions were made in advance. They didn't "test the water" this year. They knew they were gonna shove this shit down the players' throat, but to boil the frog slowly they need to cut it down a notch for 1 year. There was no plan to see player feedback at all.Now think about it this way, Lorwyn was pushed to next year for Spiderman, which was meant to be a small set, so chances are it was not meant to be a 3:4 ratio of in universe:out universe for 2027, it might have been 2:4. Yes, twice as many UBs as in universe sets.
I quit MTG officially anons. I started in Khans and had a lot of fun with Modern when GDS was at it's best right before 2019 hit. I guess I've been done for well over a year, but everything is actually all sold off now. It feels good
>>96647308never in the history of ever has there been a more punchable face on youtube, also are the players of mtggoldfisch held at gunpoint to laugh and smile all the time for some reason ? it is like some twilight zone uncanny valley shit.....
>>96647088The origin comic thing is still canon, and Agents of Artifice is basically "canon unless proven otherwise", but the only real retcons there are that in AoA Jace remembered Alhammaret and Vryn.
>>96647460>I quit MTG officially anons. I started in Khans and had a lot of fun with Modern when GDS was at it's best right before 2019 hit. I guess I've been done for well over a year, but everything is actually all sold off now.Khans was the last time you could have started and still seen what MTG was really like. Glad you got to at least catch its dying gasp.
>>96647428On a lot of cards the LP price is actually higher because most people don’t actually bother buying NM cards and most sellers don’t even bother listing at NM for shit under $20 to avoid people like this. I do actually get condition complaints on occasion but I just refund people if they’re polite about it. If they come in swinging and don’t back down I just block them and tell TCGplayer to take down whatever negative review they leave since they can see the messages where they sperg out.
>everyone talking about quitting>meanwhile im actually getting back into magic to play modern for the first time in almost 6 yearshehe
>considering mainboarding Runed Halo as a "removal" spell that can fight Belcher alongside GSZ for Collector OupheSomeone quick convince me this is terrible before I sleeve them up a better option in GW would be nice. Other than "just kill them first, dummy."
I'm not quitting magic but I have noticed I have reduced my spending in the game by a significant amount. I think I will still play EDH and buy some singles here and there but I don't have the urge to buy boxes anymore. I am kinda excited for some of the cards in Lorwyn, especially bitterblossom on a stick and the new changeling stuff for my 5c changeling deck!I am thinking about playing a ton of Riftbound tho cause I liked league, I know crazy but I had good memories of the game playing with my friends in highschool and college. I tried the demo for it this weekend and it seems like a ton of fun to play 4 player!
>>96647483Runed halo is one of my favorite cards ever so please do it for the love of the game
>>96647456>>96647415NTA thats why I asked early when the surveys they had about UB were conducted. I was mostly neutral when it was just commander sets, something relatively ignorable if I dont like the IP. But in a very short period of time they went from just commander sets to taking over standard entirely so id have a very different response if someone asked me a identical question on them nowIts two entirely different scenarios and questions.
>>96647483>Someone quick convince me this is terrible before I sleeve them up a better option in GW would be nice. Other than "just kill them first, dummy."Runed Halo is an extremely good card that solves more problems than you expect, but also fails completely against a lot of things you don't expect. Would recommend, but maybe only as a 2-of.
>>96647499>Its two entirely different scenarios and questions.A good point.Another problem is the surveys they are referencing were all likely conducted after UB was introduced into the game. If you polled players from prior to its entrance, results would likely show a near-100% skew against UB.The only players who like UB are people who got into Magic from UB. I have never met or encountered an exception.
>>96647509>The only players who like UB are people who got into Magic from UB. I have never met or encountered an exception.Retard
>>96647536It's a cold hard fact. Anyone who claims they like UB but didn't get into magic from UB is either a content creator seething internally while praising it so they don't lose their audience, or someone paid by WotC directly.
on a scale of AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH to it hasn't even begunhow over do you consider it being?
>>96647543I'd say we're at a solid "I want off MR. BONES' WILD RIDE."
>>96647543being born in south america tier
>>96647509I wonder what is going to happen to the metaplot in mtg going forward. They obviously wont do anything in the UB sets, next there will only be 3 non UB so thats really tight space to squeeze anything in.Thats also going to make when they try more out there planes or set themes way more hit or miss since if they fumble like karlov manor again, oops you fucked up 1/3 of your sets.I miss when we would get two sets per plane.
>>96647542Retarded bad faith schizo
>>96647552Name one (1) person that doesn't fit what I have described.
>>96647460I pretty much mostrly play drafts now because it still feels like playing magic when decks are not optimized, hell even in standard the powerlevel is crazy now beacuse of the long format
>>96647492Hell. It IS really fun to play. >>96647503Oh god I already have four 2-ofs in this freakish pile I don't know how much further into retarded I can go. Things it's relevant against: >any non-token permanent in multiples>Slickshot Showoff>Goblin Bombardment?>Phlage kinda? they still gain life and kill your dudes but they need another threat>Primeval Titan copies if they somehow don't have BoseijuSucks against>generic tokens AKA Ocelot Pride if you're slow, Urza's Saga, Cori>equipment >most planeswalkersfuckit they're going in.
>>96647577I play Halo a lot and have been more happy with how it performs than unhappy. If your deck can handle said problems, tokens in particular, it can be the backbone of a very tough to break removal package.
>>96647584Well I DID just discover the joys of Temporary Lockdown (nonbo with Halo but I'll worry about that when i play it) and I've been feeling my deck is maybe too slow for Static Prison to really be a dependable answer. The good news is I already have a set of them so I don't have to wait. I've tried to force worse cards before.
>>96647543I would say we are past the nuclear stage anon. We are currently living in Hiroshima just after the bomb we are trying to survive in a very grim and toxic environment but we all know since the last weekend announcement unless 2026 really show them how wrong they are… We are just fucked.The moment i saw pic related I already knew they prepared a very shitty announcement and i sadly was fucking right.
>>96647614>Black Panther>Ms. Marvel>The fucking Wasp>No SupermanTextbook demonstration of how to be dimesless.
>>96647543it feels pretty over to me
>>96647622A DC crossover will probably happen later. I imagine Marvel or WotC decided it'd be a bad move to do it alongside Marvel's stuff, but DC is happening for sure a few years from now.
>>96647543over enough to sell my Arena account, which I'll definitely be doing, for realsies
>>96647665Does it mean we'll see Peacemaker's problematic dance as a card?
>>96647614man can not wait for another set where 60% of cards are legendary creatures again so little timmy can play his favourite superhero blackwashed thor who whields an pride flag coloured mjölnir
>>96646945>if they conduct enough polls that indicate they lose money by doing UB, they'd stop doing them.In a logical world that's how things would play out. In reality, you have to introduce internal office politics and the notion of people's reputations and careers riding on whether it succeeds or not.Damn right they're going to cheat and reinterpret the numbers as much as possible to make their ideas look like a success, or at least something that wasn't a stupid idea. The last thing they will ever do is admit that their idea was bad and that it was the reason the company lost money.
Is the xiv deck worth 70? As someone who has nothing
>>96647711about the time mtg reaches mk1 status of deadso 1-2 yearstours need to have like 100-200 max attendants first and gacha/lorcana tours must have higher numbers than anything mtg by then
>>96645926>Like duskmourn still having dogs, but also having beasties, which are apparently accidental mutations of house pets.I've seen this complaint a few times. I don't get it. It's the exact same logic as "if humans evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys?". Some animals mutating into beasties doesn't mean all animals mutated into beasties, in the same way that some humans turning into razorkin doesn't mean all humans turned into razorkin, some humans turning into zombies doesn't mean all humans turned into zombies, some furniture and other household objects turning into monsters doesn't mean all furniture and household objects turned into monsters, etc. You can have both. Evolution and mutation aren't magical forces that immediately convert all members of a species into a new species.
