Battlefield Assets EditionPrevious thread:>>96631953>Legacies:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Thread Question:Discuss Battlefield Assets
>>96646676>Discuss Battlefield AssetsThese should be standard imho
>>96646676>TS in Mk VINot HH.
Would the instance of overload weapons instead of using the AP of the gun just be changed to you make a save without rolling to wound but allow any save from the model using it? Like old 40k editions? Would this make plasma and disintegrator weapons more tasty?
>>96646715Get with the times old man. Everyone had some MKVI.
>>96646715>thousand sons
>>96646720disintigrator sure, it wouldn't make plasma any more attractive because they don't do anythingI would sooner run a combi bolter than combi plasma. Combi melta is still the best but seems like combi plasma is still by far the most common bits to find
>>96646764Making combi bolters so many shots and combi volkites infinite was a mistake. It really made special combis shit.
>>96646764What changes to plasma would you make so it’s a more enticing option?
>>96646777There isn't really a good design space for them because they added those stupid fucking disintigrators and they would have to rework those things because even with breach 4+ plasma would be better than them against most targets. Maybe have disintigrators do some kind of status. Since 2 D1 plasma shots is just going to be better than 1 D2 disintigrator shot due to the strength disparity. They should've made disintigrators some really rare and powerful archaeotech shit instead of just "yeah here's a vet squad all equipped with them so they're just S4 bullshit guns we have to make design space for"
>>96646777Honestly, I'd make them infinite. I know some retard's probably going to come in screaming about AP2 plasma but honestly even then I don't think that'd be appealing as a one shot weapon with how much durability has crept up these days, it's not like 1.0 where 10 plasma guns can take up anything less than cataphractii or a sicaran. I prefer this iteration being a more consistent generalist weapon that does well as anti horde, anti marine, anti dread, and anti-light vehicle for a decent cost anyway, just again not that appealing when you've only got one shot with it.
>>96646777Combi plasma just shouldn't be one-use. It's weak enough that it wouldn't be overbearing when it could be shot each turn, and not being limited would actually make it pretty decent.
>>96646777Your trips earns a response i am not him that you quoted but.I would make them AP3 base on over charge and breaching on 5+Plasma should be an Anti general MEQ.D guns should be Anti Vet weapons IE D2 where as plasma should be D1
>>96646676I don't even like the horses but these OPs always bring me joy
This was so shit.
>>96646821I think AP3 plasma with like breach 6/5 would be fine, make them more expensive. But then those faggot disintigrators wouldn't be useful and we can't have that you need to buy disintigrator upgrade packs>>96646831Sure, though then combi volkite becomes pointless unless combi plasmas are bumped to like 15. But it's not like I've ever seen a combi volkite, is there any way to get one other than printing or cutting up a bolter and volkite?
>>96646839the problem with this is that D guns are 1 shot and plasma is 2 shot and higher strength, so the D1 vs D2 doesn't matter when you're shooting twice as much. The existence of D guns cucks the design space for plasma, they have to be nerfed so you will buy D guns
>>96646844The only combination volkites are on the EC terminator praetor and the one WHW terminator character
>>96646844Some of the resin character models come with a combi volkite. Though I doubt anybody is insane enough to buy 10 EC tartaros praetors just to use the gun.
>>96646855But then also on that note, combi-disintigrators are pointless when combi-melta exists and does the same thing but twice as good
>>96646855Yeha but plasma at AP3 with an over charge is double the chance to over heat and kill yourself. D guns is only 1 shotI mean honstly though this is really tip toing around the fact taht D guns where a mistake, they did not need to be added as a general purpose weapon like they did.
>>96646867combi-disintegrators got twice the range combi-meltas do
>>96646880Yes but you also only get to shoot it once a game either way, you will get a chance to use it even if the range is shorter
>>96646855Honestly, D guns should have been a weapon that only Destroyers could have taken. And even then the regular D gun should have been a 1 in 5 weapons, and the sgt can take D pistols, while the moritat also got access to D pistols.
>>96646899I'm fine with the vet sergeant getting a D pistol but you shouldn't be fielding a 10 man squad of all D weapons that's fucking stupidMake the fucker like S6 AP3 Breach 4+ D2 Overload 2 as the starting point and make it barely exist outside of something specialized like destroyers, a few pistols as options here and there, and maybe a 1 in 5 option for retinues
>>96646870Disintegrator weapons are not a general purpose weapon. Not by a long shot. They are all highly specialised towards a specific target, and not even good at killing it. Which is made even worse by Overload meaning you'll kill almost as much of your own unit firing the damn things as whatever they're aimed at.The rifles are only remotely effective into 2 wound 3+ save models.The blasters are just worse heavy disintegrators, and shit at shooting most 2+ save models with their puny str 5 now that even terminators have toughness 5.The heavy disintegrator is only 1 shot when moving, somewhat okayish when shooting terminators but expensive and the model firing is more likely to kill themselves than the terminators it's shooting at. No one is using disintegrator weapons, the risk just is not worth their damage output. And there are way safer, more versatile and more effective options. Even the bigger plasma blast weapons are better than disintegrators.
>>96646938And yet their existence as baseline AP3 means plasma can't be that.The blasters should definitely get assault
>>96646931>but you shouldn't be fielding a 10 man squad of all D weapons that's fucking stupid100% agree with you, its fucking stupid. DESU now work with me here anon. New unitDestoryer squad with jump packs, armored with bolters. 1 in 5 can take a heavy D gun with sponson web or Grav gun or Rocket laucher with rad grenadeSgt comes with bolter, bolt pistol and chain sword, can take sgt melee weapon, replace his pistol for a officer pistol, and replace his bolter with a combi bolter Destoryers in the unit can replace their bolter for an astarte shot gun. A unit that literally just dumps in and glank glank glanks at units then jumps out.
>>96646931Just replace D pistols with inferno pistols and scrap the rest
>>96646938>They are all highly specialised towards a specific target,Yeah the problem is the target they specilize at taking out, are the same targets using the same fucking wepaons lol. D guns are very clearly designed to be anti Vet weapons, 2d, AP3. The only other thing that also use D guns. They are specialized at killing a unit that other weapons can already do that, better and cheaper. They dont really make any sense to exist.
I have so many combi plasma dudes that are so useless I've been wondering if I should just clip the fuckers off and replace them with combi flamers and combi meltas, even a faggot ass combi-D since I have 4 of the things from the starter box
>>96646986>Combi meltasI can speak from LOTS of experience here, no, because meltas melta, and combi meltas TURBO meltaCombi flamers are good because again unlimited, so are combi volkite.
>>96646986And yeah like I realize combi-ds are pointless a lot of the time since it's 10 points when the main time you'd use them is in the vet squad where you could just buy a d rifle, but maybe I'd hand them out to some tactical sergeants. Since the existing sergeants are rocking plasma pistol and chainsword which are both basically pointless. Still probably better to use a combi flamer or combi grav to throw a status out though.
>>96646992Combi flamers aren't unlimited anymore for understandable reasons
>>96646843I enjoyed itFor free at least. That guys channel already got gutted eh but watched it last night. Was entertaining enough, animation style reminded me of the original Starcraft cinematics which I love. Otherwise it was nothing crazy. I thought the sounds were good, other than whatever the fuck they thought bolters should sound like….the fuck was that shit? But yeah anyone who pays for that garbage is an idiot.
>>96647329DESU i just wish GW would abandon that retarded WH+ shit. No one wants a fucking subscription based application for an already over the top priced miniature game. I have heard via the grape vine that apparently it was a financial flop and they are basically keeping it going to save face to investors.
>>96646843Overarching story is trash. Combat is hype moments and aura. Animation is sub par.If it were a lower stakes battle and had more combat it would have been way better. I'd love a knight lance version.
>>96646777A combo of what others have said and more>Maximal plasma AP3They really should get pen base when charging>Distinigrators s6 ap 2 base, never worse than overload 1, ignores eternal warriorI don't care how tough you are, you're still made of atoms that can be disassembled.
>>96646843I liked it :)
>>96647368NTA, but there are literally several beings where that argument falters, including primarchs and daemons and honestly probably custodes considering some of the bullshit they're equipped with
>>96646843It was fine. For all the yapping and yapping the premise and pacing was dumb and the whole thing could have been a single fifteen minute animation of them getting plugged during an ambush instead of 40 minutes of "We walked over here and then everyone died"
>>96647368I don't care how tough you are, you're still made of organics that can deflagrate
>>96647484I dont care how Tough you are, you are still OP, and you are still eating a bag of dicks.
>>96647484I don't care how tough you are, fire is still a scary ouchie );
coarse and early stabs at a militiaman in the name of feeling out how to do all the resteater 'helpers' ;3ccombine overwatch soldier stls as their basis
God fucking damn it I forgot ashen circle have bitter duty, I accidentally cheated today. Joined a master of Descent to them for a turn 1 deepstrike and pasted his 10 man backfield squad, not doing that probably would've changed the whole game
>>96647743Put Anon to death!
>>96647743send this man to calth
>>96647743Welp, your only option is honourable sudoku now.
>>96646843>Bad lighting >Ugly women>Nothingburger plot>Cliffhanger endingWhy is this the template for almost every WarhammerTV animation?
>>96647743Blessed is the mind too small for doubt
>>96647743Smash your models with a hammer in front of your opponent
>>96647792>Ugly womenWhile I was unimpressed with Kill Lupercal and agree with the rest of your points, can't agree with this one. The Princeps is a nice dominant milf, a literal dommy mommy if you will.
>>96647792>>96647918Also not!Katee Sackhoff being battered and bruised is hot as fuck, but I understand that I'm a freak in that regard.
>>96647923I thought it was ugly Cate Blanchett.
>>96647929I see more of Starbuck from Galactica in that face.
>>96647918>>96647923I really liked the MC, she was a badass. Gave me a bit of an Avasarala vibe
OFFICIAL PLAYER BASE TIER LIST BASED ON THEIR AVERAGE BENCH PRESS>sub 135lbspace wolvesword bearers>135lb to 185lbdark angelsemps childrenimperial fistsons of horus>185lb to 225lbdeath guardalpha legioniron handsultramarinesravenguard>225lb to 275lbthousand sons (natties)world eaters (fake natties)night lords (fake natties)blood angels (natties)>275 to 315lbiron warriors (natties)salamanders (fake natties)>315lb +white scars (natties, generally eats Mongolian diet)
>>96647979night lords dont do performance enhancing daemons bra...its all dedication to the craft
>>96646715>thousand island sexuals>sticking to one thingget flesh changed fool
>>96646844>>96646839>>96646855imo they should change breaching to be a plasma-only special rule that always improves AP on a 4+ but the increase to AP changes based on the weaponso some plasma guns never get AP2 but have a more reliable AP3 on overcharge, whereas heavier plasma weapons will have 4+ AP3 without even needing to overcharge.>plasma pistol: 12" FP1 S6/7 AP5/4 D1/1, improves to AP4/3>plasma blaster: 18" FP2 S6/6 AP5/4 D1/1, improves to AP4/3(?)>plasma gun: 24" FP2 S6/7 AP4/4 D1/1, improves to AP3/2>twin plasma gun: 24" FP2 S6/7 AP4/3 D1/1, improves to AP3/2>plasma cannon: 36" FP1 S6/7 AP4/3 D1/1, improves to AP3/2>gravis plasma cannon: 36" FP1 S7/8 AP4/3 D1/2, improves to AP3/2>plasma bombard: 24" FP1 S6/7 AP4/4 D1/1, improves to AP3/2>heavy plasma bombard: 36" FP1 S7/8 AP4/3 D1/2, improves to AP3/2>executioner plasma destroyer: 36" FP1 S8/9 AP4/3 D1/2, improves to AP3/2>hellfire plasma cannonade: 36" FP6/1 S6/7 AP4/3 D1/2, improves to AP3/2>omega plasma array: 36" FP6/1 S7/8 AP4/3 D2/2, improves to AP3/2now even on "safe" mode most of your plasma weapons are going to be solid anti-MEQ killers, while the heavier guns can start to be dangerous against TEQ and dreadnoughts on overcharge, while additionally being good for base AP3. they still don't have the guaranteed "fuck your 2+" of disintegrators, but are universally good answers to 3+, which is what they should be
Should I start a White Scars or Raven Guard army? I want something different than my big old Iron Warriors project, and I'm not sure I'm going to be able to sustain my Solar Auxilia project.
>>96648297>old Iron WarriorsDo RG. There's no way you got the painting skills to paint proper white for WS lmfao
>>96648304I can paint white, this is an unfinished WE project I did like 2 years ago or something where I was practicing airbrushing. Never did weather the models, but the paintjob is quite clean.
>>96647979>bench 350>play WB, SoH, WE and UMguess those can combine>>96648304anon, airbrushing removed the skill wall to paint white long long ago.
>>96648273>>plasma pistol: 12" FP1 S6/7 AP5/4 D1/1, improves to AP4/3>>plasma blaster: 18" FP2 S6/6 AP5/4 D1/1, improves to AP4/3(?)>>plasma gun: 24" FP2 S6/7 AP4/4 D1/1, improves to AP3/2>>twin plasma gun: 24" FP2 S6/7 AP4/3 D1/1, improves to AP3/2>>plasma cannon: 36" FP1 S6/7 AP4/3 D1/1, improves to AP3/2>>gravis plasma cannon: 36" FP1 S7/8 AP4/3 D1/2, improves to AP3/2>>plasma bombard: 24" FP1 S6/7 AP4/4 D1/1, improves to AP3/2>>heavy plasma bombard: 36" FP1 S7/8 AP4/3 D1/2, improves to AP3/2>>executioner plasma destroyer: 36" FP1 S8/9 AP4/3 D1/2, improves to AP3/2>>hellfire plasma cannonade: 36" FP6/1 S6/7 AP4/3 D1/2, improves to AP3/2>>omega plasma array: 36" FP6/1 S7/8 AP4/3 D2/2, improves to AP3/2All of these should be Drain (X) where (X) is the number of Game Turns they take to recharge after being fired, during which they may not be used as part of a Shooting Attack including as part of a Reaction.Drain (X) should be set at the Model level, so that when you select a weapon subject to Drain (X) for that army list entry, the weapon inherits the Model's Drain (X) value, allowing the same profiles to be used in different applications representing the size of the power generation available to each Unit.Furthermore, Antigrav Models should be able to use the Pop-Up Attack Advanced Reaction which allows them to ignore intervening units and cover for LOS purposes at the cost of making their Shooting Attack as Snap Shots.
>>96648387no thanks, I think it's pretty settled plasma has safe and dangerous, and moreover I despise bookkeeping on weapons in games over like a dozen modelseven if I can handle my army and keeping tabs, there's no guarantee my opponent can on his, and games where you have to constantly remind your opponent what they can/can't do- and worst of all, if they misremember something of your army and suddenly feel cheated over itI like one use gear and abilities, but big games with lots going on is a nightmare to track with reloadsunless it's like a historical and that coordination is a core mechanic of the game, then it's really fun
>>96647498Well, what's really fucked, is that guy can't take his helmet off, because the planet has a virus that rots you so fast as if you fell into a vat of acid. So, he's dead either way from a painful death, but I suppose being cooked to death from your power armor reactor is slightly faster.
>>96648347Stop being reasonable anon, I'm trying to gaslight you into starting WS with reverse psychology here
>>96648664Well it's fucking working
>>96648703Do it then you cunt, bet you won't
>>96648705Suck my dick anon, just watch me.Bikes suck this ed though right? Or is that/tg/ getting everything wrong all the time again?
>>96648482>good soup
>>96647979>generally eats Mongolian diet
>>96648727The only real downside is that bikes can't claim or contest objectives. But they're very solid mobile shooting platforms. Outriders are stacked with special rules and can basically shoot twice each turn, and jetbikes are like HSS but way faster. And the bike command squads from the legacies rules are very scary, even more so with WS. Buff them with a stormseer and they can get a guaranteed charge turn 1 even inside the enemy deployment zone. Just gotta make sure there's a tactical squad to follow behind and stand on the objective that the bikes cleared.
>>96648747That and horse sausage. God I love horse sausage
>>96648761Sounds good. I wanted a much faster force so I'll have some Assault Marines and Tacticals, and rather than having tanks I'll prioritise boatloads of bikes. Are the legacy options on New Recruit yet?
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So how do I make the dark angels work?I know I need to lean into their detachments and specialist units. I think marduk is pretty good, so I'll probably have him and 5 cenobium in a land raider. What's the prognosis on interceptors? Would 10 in a drop pod work?
>>96649003*interemptors Fuck shit arse cunt
>>96649003Interemptors are incredibly lethal but incredibly squishy, unlike their more expensive Pyroclast cousins, so big squads of them do want a transport that stays on the field. You hop out of your Land Raider/Termite, burninate a squad and then Reposition back inside if someone moves within 12", and a combination of blocking sightlines with the vehicle itself and thinking about the fields of fire of the enemy units that can shoot you from outside 12" lets you keep them alive a lot longer.I've been tempted by eight of them in the Outflanking land raider, since you don't care about charging anyway. Same for Death Guard multimelta/heavy flamer squads, Pyroclasts, etc.
>>96646713I mean, they are?You can add them to any missionI don't know why everyone is acting like they can only be used in that one supplement mission...
>>96646777Remove Limited and give them plasma pistol profile instead?Tbh I think you could do this with all combi weapons and they would work better in generalCombi weapons are just too expensive for a single shot weapon
Reminder to paint your heresy thousand sons blue!!!
