After twenty years, what's the consensus on this bad boy? Is it still relevant or has it been surpassed by the controversial 4th edition? Do you play it?
>>96655968Good system with serious warts you'll need to houserule for best long term experience. Unfairly killed before its time to beta test what would become Genesys. Still has a fairly large playerbase for being not D&D and old/dead. 4th is inferior to me. Yes.
>>96655968Irrelevant because it's a fantasy TTRPG that's not D&D so nobody plays it.
>>96655986Wrong.
I swear this thread was already made. >>96655986Spbp
>>96655988I wish I was wrong. Fuck, I wish I was wrong.
4e is better with all the supplements available.
>>96655996>>96655991Sounds like a you problem. Even internet RPG group finder sites show this game still gets a surprising chunk of play last i checked a couple years ago. Me, I have a reliable group and run it fairly regularly, so while I sympathize...I can't relate.
>>966559984e's supplements are worse, though? I mean both quality wise (compare their bestiaries) and also in terms of lore drawn on (4e is required to use 8/ET/post-smeg lore).
>>96656003The overall additions to combat, spellcasting mechanics, new careers (for example, deity and lore specific careers for priests and wizards), the new equipment, previously untapped material such as Lustria and Ulthuan, all worth it.The lore is a matter of taste more than anything, and it's not like Cubicle 7 sends death squads towards you for diverging from it.Without any nostalgia goggles, I don't see any reason to pick 2e over 4e.
>>96656022Honestly, I'm not looking to convert you, but I don't generally agree. Only thing 4e has of value is Ulthuan, and even then, like I said, it's contaminated by post-8e ideas. That being said, I wish you and your groups the joy of your system of choice with all sincerity.
>>966559684th edition is borderline unplayable because of all the niggling little details that you have to keep track of and subsystems that are just plain retarded and nonfunctional.2e isn't fantastic either but at least it's something you can just sit down and play without having your nose in the book the entire session.
>>96655968It's the worst system in the world if you play it like a DnD-style game with nothing but corridors between pitched battles. Great if you treat it as a role playing exercise and leave all thoughts of balance at the door.
I use Honor & Intrigue to run Warhammer Fantasy.
Does 4e still have the thing where halflings have to make a Fear test if they see a hostile horse in combat?
>>96656055Yes. Against hostile humans too.
>>96656059LMAO
>>96656055It's not just seeing, it needs to be aggressively go towards the halfling. But yes, that rule exist.
>>966559684e is easier to play, but 2e is still very relevant. Like >>96655985 alluded to, I would like a 2.5, but that'll never happen. I run 4e these days, but if my group asked me for 2e I would happily oblige.
>>96656085>4e is easier to playon what fucking planet? lmao
>>96656055Everyone has to do that. A horse is bigger than a human, so they cause fear in everyone.
>>96655985To be fair, 3e eventually became the best version of WHFRP, but it was absolutely handled poorly, over priced, and deserves getting shat on for hard for both of those reasons.
>>96655968Best Warhammer RPG, in the best setting, with the best premise. The ruleset is also great, while as imperfect as any, but easily tweaked because the underlying system is robust and flows exceptionally well when played right.I am still mad that all games in which I've played it have ended before their time.
>>96656085>4e is easier to playGiven how simply WFRP2 is to play, I find such a statement highly questionable.
>>96656184The only 'hard' part of 2e is figuring out how advances work because it's poorly explained. I've run multiple games for probably a dozen or so people and almost all of them misunderstood how advance profiles work.
How is the Game That Must Not Be Named? Drama aside, it's it a good upgrade?
>>966562873e is basically a worse Genesys. It is also very Herohammer, which flies in the face of WFRP's 'start in the muck as nobody special' flavor. The only good thing to come out of 3e is the campaign for Vermintide.
Bump for the bump god
>>96655968Twenty years ago I was thinking "damn second grade is hard, I hope Spongebob is on when I get home" and over the past twenty years I've come to realize that there were good shows that aren't Spongebob. Overall, WFRP 2e was a fun game, but when it released I didn't have any concept of its existence.
>>96655968I much prefer the advance system and the combat system of 2e to 4e. And I think 2e has a much better, much more complete core book than 4e. Also, in my opinion, the period right after the storm of chaos is a far better time to set a roleplaying game, the social order has just been overturned and it makes sense why a party or randoms from across the social spectrum would be running around the Drakwald hunting monsters together. And the editorial choices from c7 have been pants-on-head retarded.
Is 4e as pozzed as they say? I think 2e is pretty fun, I was thinking about buying a couple of 4e splatbooks (Sea of Claws and Archives of the Empire 2) for my 2e adventures, conversion shouldn't be too hard
>>96661457If you're worried about a game being "pozzed," I recommend just quitting society and becoming a monk, you're too sensitive to live in the world.
>>96661720Damn, don't get so angry about people having standards anon
>>96661457The only "pozzed" thing is some ugly art and some characters in the career section being too brown.They stopped doing with pretty much any supplements afterwards.But yeah, if you don't care about the rules and mechanics and just want to make a political statement, leave this hobby. Or play Vargs game.
>>96661780If you say so
>>96656371I meant Zweihander.
>>96661720>>96661780Ok, thanks. What about converting stuff from 4e to 2e?
>>96661720>>96661780god i hate tourists so much
>>96661827There's relatively straightforward rules for converting 2e to 4e, so just run 'em backwards. It's a little annoying because you'll be using the conversation tables inside-out, but it's not the end of the world.
>>96661807It's a worse 2e.
Soft bump
>>96656093Read the rules again dingus.
>>96661827I can't think of anything that actually needs converting from 4e to 2e. >>96656243You're not wrong. The section is actually written poorly. It was addressed in the FAQ/Errata, but most people don't know it because the site is dead. I rescued it many years ago after briefly interrogating the original writer on the issue.
>>96661807>ZweihanderMuch like 4e, it's literally just a worse 2e. But whereas 4e is arguably better in some minor ways (but worse enough in major ways to drag the entire thing down as being worse) Zweihänder has nothing to offer at all, not even flavor.
>>96669407I do like the graphic design of Zweihander, but, yeah, it's just a worse 2e.
