Why do you eat the slop, /tg/ ?
>>96659927Corporations exist to make money. You can't vote with your wallet when 50%-80% of the population are fucking retarded. The best you can do is find a different game and hope the pigs don't find out about it for a few years.
Things change. You can't go back in time. Things can't stay the same forever, for better or worse. However, in this metaphor, you should add that the restaurant was frequented mostly by extremely overweight ham beasts with bad skin and ass cracks visible from the folding chairs they sit in around the game table. Getting into the game as a new player meant going against dudes who had already been playing and collecting for a fucking decade. You'll never be able to catch up with that. I did like the art on the old cards, though. I recall a skeleton with like a three jointed arm that looked really gnarly. Anyway, I never played magic because I never got the best impression of the kids who played it in my town, and buying card packs in the hope of finding cards you want seemed predatory even to me when I was a kid. Maybe your favorite restaurant was never that good to start with, and what you're bitching about is akin to complaining a pile of shit suddenly has maggots in it.
>>96659927>slop slop slopyou are a pig, and all you think about is slop
>food analogymidwit behaviormtg is a dogshit game and getting frustrated by viral marketers and retards just proves your insecurity got you outwitted by both.
>>96659927WotC created a business model where this was inevitable. It was *always* gonna turn into shit.
>>96660023>hurr durr simple analogies are badYour brain is a coal train devoid of coal. Your mind is a stillwater pond consumed by algae. Your attitude is the smear of dogshit on the bottom of a beat cop's shoe.
>>96659927>competitive Good get out they're all cheaters and the worst sort of players
>>96659927>playing a competitive children's game
>>96660023t. actual midwit filtered by lands who plays games made by brown people to cope (but it's okay because they're "honorary aryans")
>>96660142you’re a tard the problem isnt the simplicity its the part that assembles the other side into easy to knock over bowling pins because the writer is too stupid to attack the core tenets of the arguments given to them. See how I was able to assemble that without describing a waitress shitting on my salad and making me pay for it? Or something equally fucktarded?>>96660225all other tcgs are shit for similar reasons
>>96659927actually, pigs eat oats.
>>96660286My understanding is that pigs will eat most everything that is put in front of them.
>>96659927Good paypiggies eat that slop up.
>>96660328which is why it was forbidden to eat them in some cultures
>>96660260>you’re a tard the problem isnt the simplicity its the part that assembles the other side into easy to knock over bowling pins because the writer is too stupid to attack the core tenets of the arguments given to them. Your point is the emptiness of space. Cold and meaningless. An analogy is a tool like anything else. It illustrates the OP's point in an easy-to-follow fashion rather than him needing to write a 10 page dissertation on Wizard of the Coast's descent into infinite mediocrity due to it chasing market trends and pursuing wider and wider audiences while driving away its original, loyal fanbase.
>>96659927>M:tGI don't.
>>96659927I don’t play card games I just paint little fantasy toy soldiers and play out of print games with them. No slop in my hobby, just comfy times.
>>96660344HERRRRRRR PAY PIGGIIEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>96660503>No slop in my hobby,>posts WarhammerPick one
>>96659927This post reads of a serious NPD issue
>>96660503You literally cannot even use these in tournaments unless you pay painters or paint shit yourself. No one ever banned me from MTG tournies for not using sleeves
>>96659966You talk like a pig.
>>96659927Passion isn't competitive. Anyone not willing to trade away all values for competitive advantage will be replaced by those who are.
>>96659927Imagine being so fat that you look at a card game and see food.
>>96660592Why do you care about tournaments?
>>96659941You can actually. In fact its even better than voting because your dollar actually matters. Every dollar you spend on niche shit you love gives it life. Every dollar you dont give to hasbro accelerates their death spiral into irrelevence. Yes slop pigs can vote too. And they're voting hasbro so you're free of them
>>96660592>You can't do the shit part without doing the fun part firstWhy is that a bad thing?
>>96659927Reminder: He is not talking about Universes Beyond. He is talking about Commander.
>>96660592>but you're not allowed to bring your food to the slop eating contest>what's the point of buying food if you're not allowed to join the pig-out?
>>96661000Which is even more pathetic because who the fuck is still doing that in 2025?Maybe people would play standard if it didn't always have a tier 0 deck.
>>96660286>>96660328In china pigs ate poop
>>966599271. It was never not slop.2. You just resent notcing you're a fucking pig, Pig.
>>96660592>mtg piggie gated by paintingworking as intended
>>96660592The point-----Your head.
>>96660727You can try to vote with your wallet, but it will never matter because the pigs have more money than you. You will simply never get human food.Pigs will only leave if they are physically forced to leave, or if the restaurant is physically forced to stop serving slop. Money does nothing.
>>96659927Maybe go to a different restaurant?
>>96662059No shit, but he enjoyed this restaurant before it started serving slop. It had good food and a nice atmosphere. He doesn't want to have to find a new restaurant. Obviously he doesn't really have any other choice but he's still right to be pissed about it.
>>96662059>go to a different resturant>that resturant starts serving slop because slop is popular at the other resturant and surely if they sell slop too, they'll get more customers
>>96661000It applies to both though. And EDH was fine when wotc only released one set of edh decks per year.
>>96659927And that waiter's name? Albert Einstein
>>96659927I don't.MtG has been shitty since 8th edition. If you are just starting to notice it's shit, you were already a pig and are complaining the slop isn't the same slop you had before.MtG has a few strengths going for it that are pretty massive strengths though.1. It's a well known game that a lot of people are familiar with. This means that in any random dork gathering, there is going to be people who know how to play.2. A game of MtG requires each player has a deck of cards. That's it. 3. The previous 2 strengths makes finding another player extremely easy and the same cannot be said for most other games.There's plenty of other games that are better than MtG. Hell, MtG isn't even a good game in the genre of tabletop games that are about dueling wizards. All TCGs are ass though. This was obvious in the late 90s/early 00s.
>>96662059>like to go to a park>people start polluting the park to the point it's hazardous to your health to go to the park>You're not allowed to complain about it because other parks exist in the world!
>>96659941>you can't vote with your wallet>you must simply choose to give a different corporation your moneyWhat do you think voting with your wallet means you retarded brown
>>96662804A bit of historical context that a lot of people miss in regards to MTG: Magic the Gathering was *never* supposed to last. So, its the early 90s, and Richard Garfield wants to make a board game called RoboRally. A sort of robot racing boardgame through a factory full of traps and hazards. He pitched the game, executives were not thrilled, and said they didn't think it was marketable enough to invest in.Garfield then goes off and comes up with Magic the Gathering instead, pitching it as a game idea built on a model designed to raise a bunch of money quickly (so that he could fund his actual project, RoboRally) and which he assumed that players would fairly quickly realize was a scam and lose interest in because it was too expensive to keep playing, but by then he would have already more than met his funding goals.MTG paid for RoboRally, but it turned out he overestimated his audience. They never lost interest in Magic, despite it being a money extracting engine that was built to be too exploitative to survive for long. tldr: Anyone who thinks that Magic was ever good, or that it got too money-obsessed later, never understood what Magic the Gathering was in the first place.
>>96660286you're thinking of mares and does
>>96659927>>96661187Probably one of the better twitter screencap threads I've read.
Lots of piggies squealing ITT.
>>96659941>>96660727Maybe we can all keep outwardly pretending MTG is relevant and people actually care about it and it, like DnD, can forever stay this quarantine zone for shitty normies and their problems?
>>96659927This is just an elaborate way of saying >thing bad. I don't like thing :(Calling it "slop" isn't some kind of insightful criticism
MTG has always been shittyplay Wyvern
>>96659927I don't. I stopped playing MtG when mythic rares became a thing. I think it was "Shards of Alara"
>>96663728indeed
>>96663150Going along with this, the whole "Deckmaster" theming was intended to be used across multiple card games and not just Magic. Then due to the success of Magic, the other card games were never developed.
>>96663858That's not even what he's eeffering to anon, he's talking about commander.This just proves my point about how useless of a term is, you yourself just thought he was talking about "thing I don't like"
>>96660592Painting requirements are nice because they filter people who cannot do the most cartoonishly easy activity in all of tabletop
>>96664063i'm not arguing or saying anything at all, anon
>>96662943>park built on superfund toxic waste dump>its fun for a minute but then you start getting cancer>”anon stop playing in the cancerous toxic waste dump”>”no I can fix it!”
>>96662943The park was already polluted, it just hadn't began to hurt you health specifically yet
>>96664362MTG was fucking great for a long time. Saying that it was built on a toxic waste dump is just flat out wrong.
>>96663728Its literally about Commander, and how due to Wizard's allowing its importance to take over has warped card design, sabotaged the competitive focus the game once had, and led to Wizards making literal normie slop to cater to players that don't care for competitive 1v1 gaming anymore. Its something Wizards has been talking about for a decade now.
>>96659927This is the nature of capitalism, which is the ultimate enemy of art
>>96664931if garfield had his way it’d be shit. nosewater is getting his way and its shit.face it anon this game was bottled lightning. it was purely accidental it ended up good for a time
>>96664947Right but the use of the word "slop" as the primary way to show how something is bad is meaningless. You could replace "slop" with "dish I don't like and think is bad food" and nothing changes other than showcasing that you can't articulate why other thing are bad beyond that you don't like it.
>>96664931I can guarantee you there is plenty of people who consider TCGs slop no matter the form it takes. It is in a sense the original gacha.
>>96666094Nah it could have been great if it had just been handled by competent game designers. Instead they started hiring retarded trannoids like emma handy and jadine klomparens
>>96666144>you can't articulate why other thing are bad beyond that you don't like itIt would be obvious if you thought about what slop is and how the attributes of slop metaphorically map onto what is being called slop. The intent in communication is not hard to see and saying that the word is meaningless is just lazy.
>>96666144it IS slop though. modern card design is slop: single powerful bombs that are self contained engines. this is heavily influenced by commander where you have 99 cards and no consistency.
>>96666144>You could replace "slop" with "dish I don't like and think is bad food" and nothing changesIt's incredible that you've discovered the dictionary definition of the word slop, anon. Simply amazing. It's almost as if that's how the word is used in the English language. Crazy, I know.
>"It was good for the years I devoured it. It only became bad the moment I stopped liking it."This is just the newest version of this image where every person makes the assumption that they're the people in the first or second panel when there is zero evidence to support it.
>>96666829>no PTQs, no GPs, no SCG tour (not like it was, anyways)>RCQ attendance is dogshit>FNMs don't fire anymore>LGS scenes completely dead>Every constructed format is fucking ass>Bans required basically every few months because of how unbalanced shit isGo look at how many likes the tweet got. There's plenty of evidence, both objective and anecdotal. You're just the newest version of this image where every faggot makes the assumption that his shitty contrarian take is correct when there is zero evidence to support it.
>>96666453Troons are a symptom, not a cause
>>96663858That fortnite card looks sick actually
>>96666152>there is plenty of people who consider TCGs slop no matter the form it takesPrevailing mindset on the vidya boards. As a tourist i would know.
>>96660503That's a very nice paintjob anon
>>96666829Your spiritual malaise and inability to comprehend vibes does not mean there is no evidence. You sound like the sort of person who would be in the thick of rome falling and on fire and demand further evidence
>>96663264and little lambs eat ivy
Curate. Make a cube
>>96666829i wish I could be in the first or second panel it feels like I only enter hobbies when they’re on deaths door.
>>96659927draft is still usually fun and i dont really play much else these days
>>96668507Final Fantasy draft was the best in the past 5 years, it was crazy.
What's a good method for inducing fuzzy/grainy primer
>>96660592>not using sleevesYou are either in your early 50s or an utter subhuman
>>96660142TRVKE!RVKE!
>>96663999Slight correction what became the Arabian Nights set was meant to be a standalone game within the deckmaster engine.But those around Garfield convinced him it would sell better if directly associated with the earlier Magic Release and we live in the aftermath.
>>96666094>it was purely accidental it ended up good for a timeI don't think this is true. The game is objectively good and this is why it has continued to capture players constantly despite the issues in the game.The problem is like having an engineering department at a company. You have a good product, but the only way it stays a good product or gets better is if you have engineers making sure the machines stay good or improve the product. The problem with Wizards is that they don't hire engineers, they hire for passion and nepotism; they hire YouTubers and friends of pros; they don't hire someone who can keep a machine working. And the "machines" in Wizards are organized play and it was accidental that judges, play groups, and store groups self-motivated themselves to form but it was up to Wizards to keep these organizations cohesive and sustainable and they just didn't do that because they don't care about having people who can organize a spreadsheet. Regional representatives became national representatives, the entire judge program died, they keep on inventing formats to fracture the player base that wasn't even large enough to host Standard + another format.The head of Magic is a fucking writer, who hires other people whose sole qualifications are writing but nobody can probably change a tire.
>>96669363I just gave up on the hobby back when people understood sleeves were for dipshits.
>>96669363>You are either in your early 50s or an utter subhumanI can't tell you how much I agree with this sentiment. Everyone at my store hates the person who refuses to use sleeves. Buys thousands of dollars to crack and can't spend $10 on a pack of sleeves for prereleases. Just a drama whore.
>>96669932You aren't beating the dipshit allegstions.
>>96661957So you're saying we should nationalize Warhammer, MTG and Dungeons and Dragons?Based communist
>>96668683>Maro admits he wasn't involved in development of FF set>Best state of game in a whileReally makes you thinkReally makes you noggin jogginReally gives you cortex vortex
>>96669964You can just take your ball and go, dude. If the wine is sour, throw it out.
>>96660260>its the part that assembles the other side into easy to knock over bowling pins because the writer is too stupidQED. I will have the authorities force this chinaman to only use bowling analogies from now on
>>96659941>You can't vote with your wallet when 50%-80% of the population are fucking retardedThis is the case with regular democratic elections as well
>>96661530This. Someone finally grew up and realized how much pussy they could've had instead of cardboard rectangles and are having a melty.
>>96669906The thing is that magic has been good for different people at different points in time.Commander Dominance s the 4th or 5th death of Magic depending on how much of an affront Planeswalker cards were, This time for the 4th wave of players. Its just that a lot of grogs on /tg/ are blind to the fact that the game was good for different people at different times.To break it down Combo Winter Killed the game the first time with its ridiculous power creep and drove the average member of the 1st wave of players away.The move to 8th Edition killed the game again with the new card frame and introduction of equipment alongside Mirrodin breaking the game and driving away the 2nd wave of players built up over the Weatherlight Saga.Then the introduction of Planeswalkers and Mythics killed the game again and drove away half 3rd WaveThe 4th Wave came between Return to Ravnica and Khans and there was a nice period where two waves of players coexisted before The Gatewatch and the general decay of Competitive Play and Design Standards between BFZ to Kaladesh finally drove the 3rd Wave away.And now the 4th wave has reached its breaking point and is pulling back while the 5th wave brought in over lockdown and was fully brought up on commander takes center stage.Not every player left with every wave but enough did to make a note of it and eventually likely the product deluge will drive away the 5th wave as the 6th wage of UB players asserts itself.
>>96672212I hate deceptive arguments like this because it sounds reasonable enough but misses key factors like distinct times when the company itself openly changed their philosophy or even admittedly hate the old style and nature of the game. All those points you mentioned are real, definable moments of chamge in magics history. Yet, none of them changed the fundamental nature of the game so much and so quickly as FIRE design, designed for commander, the total abandonment of competitive play irl, 3rd wave radical feminism infiltrating male hobbies in the mid 2010s, and openly selling out by turning "magic" cards into promotional pieces for licensed properties. All of which happened over a very short period of time and impacted the game at a critical moment during the lockdowns and the summer of floyd, culminating in what you see today. In 2018, a good 25 years into mtg history, new cards had more in common in power level and design standards with 1993 cards than they do with cards from 2022
>>96672303I actually agree with you, current design trends have shortened the lifespan of a game that had at least another good 40 years in it if managed properly down into 15 tops if nothing gets done.I honestly was just frustrated with all the posts going "it was shit when I left so who cares" and I didn't want to be that guy who replies to a dozen posts. Your post was the most recent on ramp that aligned with what I wanted to say
>>96659927Slop is an upgrade from rotting garbageNot by muchBut still an upgrade
>>96659927I looked into this post and it turns out the guy is talking about wizard's constant appeal to commander players and not the bi-weekly crossover garbage they keep churning out
>>96673016slop is quite literally rotting vegetables, food scraps, and actual shit. It’s by definition rotting garbage.
>>96673171Fair enough, I guess UB is on the same level as the rest of the garbage wotc has been putting out then anyways.
>>96673169Many legacy players are angry because wotc doesn't give a fuck about them. Commander is the only format anyone wants to play because it's actually fun and designing for competitive is quite literally retarded. It would be like listening to any of the idiots here for good adviceEveryone here has dogshit opinions because it's a place to air shit opinions
>>96673281However Commander was good in part because Wizards didn't focus all its attention on the format.Now that tis the main focus it has also been slowly getting degraded in its releases and power creep until eventually it will end up in the same boat as the rest of the game.The best formats are those which grow off the game doing well but are untouched by the profit motive. Yeah that entail there being a loser to suffer the burden of getting milked but its true.
>>96669923Good stewardship of your property is basic adult responsibilityYou are an utter subhuman and definitely a brazilian, in spirit if not in form
>>96669906>The game is objectively goodYou can't honestly believe this anon
>>96673526Magic is better than your favorite game.
>>96673530That's irrelevant to the fact you can't objectively prove whether or not a card games is "good"
>>96673489Whatever you say, dipshit.
>>96662961You leaving doesnt meaningfully effect the sales of the product. Ub will likely pro ide magic the appropriate growth to justify it. Anon is saying stop because you want to do something else, not because you brainwashed yourself into thinking its tactical.
>>96662804>>96663150>actually all expansions are the exact same thing as official SpongeBob meme cardsWatch out boys, the connoisseurs are here
>>96659941>You can't vote with your wallet when 50%-80% of the population are fucking retardedBold of you to assume up to 50% of people aren't retarded.
>>96660727YOUR DOLLAR DOESN'T MATTER WHEN PEOPLE ARE USING KLARNA, CHIME AND CREDIT CARDS/SAMEDAY LOANS TO CIRCUMVENT THE NORMAL CASH-TO-COMPANY PIPELINEIF EVERY BROKE IDIOT IS 100K IN DEBT ON RANDOM SHIT, IT DOESNT' MATTER WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE THE IDIOTS EFFECTIVELY HAVE 100K MORE THAN YOU, THE GUY WHO SAVES AND INVESTS AND ONLY SPENDS WITHIN A REASONABLE CREDIT LIMIT/MORTGAGE LOAN/WHATEVER OTHER ACCEPTABLE DEBT YOU MIGHT HAVETHIS IS WHAT PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING ABOUT INFLATION- PEOPLE ARE SPENDING MONEY THEY DON'T HAVE, THIS IS WHY INFLATION IS BAD AND WHY COMPANIES CAN CHARGE BULLSHIT PRICES AND WHY YOU SEE THE JOBLESS IDIOT YOU KNOW DRIVING AROUND IN A CAR TOO NICE FOR HIM
>>96668497Then you need to become an early adopter riding the bleeding edge for all things. Nothing remains in stage 1 or 2 for more than a few months let alone years.
>>96673584huehue
I went to FNM tonight and Standard didn't fire, again, but I played a nice game of precon Commander. The LGS owner was so nice that he came over and poured each player a BIG HEAPING PILE O' SLOP TO SLURP for coming out to play.
>>96674279Stop shouting. Anyway, the people using credit wont be able to keep paying and the bubble will burst, so spend reasonably and support things you like longterm.
>>96659927>slopI betcha you think I order from the menu here.
>>96659941Now they push woke marxist politics due to stakeholder capitalism with Blackrock and Vanguard pushing ESG. Only a loud minority of activists actually want this, who are mostly tourists.
>>96676083NOT IF THEY WERE SMART AND USED THEIR CREDIT CARDS TO BUY GOLD AND BITCOIN WHEN IT WAS CHEAP, THEN THEY CAN USE THAT TO KEEP BORROWING AGAINST AND SPENDING FOREVER
