Trench Crusade General - /trench/Let's Make A Warband Generator Edition>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What Trench Crusade is notTC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience:https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ>third party sources for making trenchers:https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc>Trench CompendiumCompendium: https://https://trench-companion.com/>Thread Question:You have to sign up to be a mook (wretched, yeoman, trooper, etc) in one of the factions, who you picking?
>>96662326>TQMongrel Supplicant, become the beast you are.
did the hype for this game die out already?
>>96665410Everyone's kinda just waiting for the book to begin shipping this holiday rn
>>96662653From what little lore we have, are they having a shit time being beast-men? Or is the idea "they dont care how they are, they dont really have complex thoughts anymore".>>96665410>>96665861Last anyone mentioned they're in the 'going back and forth with the printers when the system says something is over the margins' stage
>>96666753How trying to ascend in the path is described as walking through a labyrinth blind and you can cock it up by taking the wrong turn and getting stuck in an evolutionary dead end. It ultimately depends on how aware the individual is of their fuck up, which can vary
>>96667494(you)
>>96667386I think I'd be fine devolving into some sort of primordial bottom feeder, at least compared to what its like if you fuck up in the Grail, Court, or Legions.
>>96667494>>96668696This is actually true though anon.>>96665861Also a bit upset that the physical book has taken this long. Just bought to support but this delay is pretty huge.
>>96666753Mostly the latter. The Beast views sentience as a disease, so reverting to mindless sub-animal tier behavior is in fact a blessing in its eyes.
>>96669334Yeah that makes sense.Out of all the hell factions, as a human I get joining the beasts the most, or metamorphosis potentially."Hey things suck, what if you just didnt care about it and lived wild" is a better pitch than "Hey things suck, what if you lived under constant torture and threat of slavery and death to potentially maybe be like 2 rungs higher"
>>96666753Depends do you want to give up your intelligence. I think most are just dumb beasts.
>>96665410There arent plastic kits, lore wise and faction wise it still needs a lot of expansion to really get to people, also I dont sit in the shitcord or whatever but all that drama I keep hearing about is probably not helping either
>>96670196At least they post regularly on other platforms, not just discord. Even ignoring their specific discord its always annoying when a game company requires you to trawl through their discord jsut to know anything about the actual game.
>>96669323Trolling is against the rules
>>96669356The Beast makes the best pitch, but there's a non-zero chance you get killed, eaten, or straight up murderfucked. It won't go outta its way to cause it like the others would, but still.
Reading through the playtest rules, it seems that the basic system is actually very simplistic. The problem is that there's a ton of little rules that are only explained in different sections and that the formatting is rather terrible. They could probably cut down on the pages severely if they would just use the keywords for their intended purpose instead of adding little blurbs that say the exact same thing.I think the only real unique mechanic they have is the bloodbath mechanic. I don't think + dice or - dice are particularly compelling.
>>96665410The do or die for it will be the quality of the book once it drops.Tbh, the hype hurt it, what with grifters like miniwargaming dave releasing shit quality plastic kits that are overpriced by even the most cucked 40k player finds overpriced
>*angry pilgrim noises*So are penitents worth it?
>>96669323It'll be about a year since the kickstarter once we get the books, and I'm fine with that, it was a small operation so i never expected like a 6 month turnaround on the books.
>>96669323>Also a bit upset that the physical book has taken this longSame. But honestly, let the devs cook. With extra time comes extra pages of art and lore. Waiting is upsetting for a short time, poorly made book is upsetting for rest of time.
>>96665410No a game not being as active as a GW game does not mean it is dead
>>96676543The depth in the game lies in the faction mechanics and how it interacts with the core mechanics not the core mechanics on their own. Factions and their subfactions can interact with game mechanics completely different either through their units or the way the faction itself works like fireteams or goetic spells. It's also meant to played in a campaign primarily, not as one-offs.
>>96677054Eeh, maybe from me, like they feel worthwhile in terms of price but you might have more valuable stuff to get
>>96665410It's hard to get into a game when you can't buy models for itI'll definitely jump in if there's ever a good value starter set or something
>>96679996They've said they want to get models in stores eventually, and i heard a rumour that they're thinking about sprues, although thats just a rumour
>>96680566>They've said they want to get models in stores eventuallyI would be severely concerned about the mental states of everyone involved if they hadn't
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>>96680874all frogposters are gay
>>96680800>buzzword buzzword buzzword>but he used gay three timesI can't prove it yet, Laguerta, but I know I'm right.
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>>96675837Yeah still not awesome, but to be fair we only really know what the war-torn faithful lands are like. Its very reasonable living in the heart of, like, germany is much the same as it was in the past just with like 10% extra taxes.
So what would be the most likely Trench Crusade Starter Box if such a thing were to happen?Pilgrims are more or less the mascots of the game so they're inI'd honestly say Heretic Legion and Black Grail are probably equal odds of also being the other faction BookMaybe some basic trench terrain?
>>96681634I'd imagine a starter box would have Antioch and Heretic legion, if anything.
>>96681634>>96681659Terrain though fun, I'd imagine would be a harder sell in a starter it, I'd imagine dedicated boxes for them. It would absolutely be trench pilgrims for a starter set, probably in two tiers maybe a 700 point arrangement and a 900 point arrangement, so probably the kickstarter basic and then probably the rest of the models
>>96681876Idk about trench pilgrims, NA are Tuomas' clear favourite and for the hell factions HL seems the most approachable (plus the Artillery Witch is probably the most famous model in the game).
>>96676837This.They're all Industry Vets, and they planned their output to be; proportional to a $ 66,600 investment, of people and purchasers.Instead, they got $ 3,200,000. Nearly fifty times the investment they expected.Sure it's done them a lot of good. Instead of Trench Crusade being a fun group side project, they've been able to finance themselves off it, and bring more artists in.But they've, through no fault of their own, exceeded their intended scope for the project. It went from being WW1 T28, to actually pulling a lot of the Warhammer crowd (before whiny polfags who needed validation threw a tanty that they weren't getting it). And they've admitted they feel a lot of obligation both to do extra to not let people down, but also do what they doing well, also to not let people down.All the while having to administrate to a fuckton more people.>>96680670TBQH I almost preferred it when it didn't have official sculpts.It FORCED you to be a certain standard of hobbyist. You HAD to be able to kitbash, convert, and then presumably paint your mini's, simply to participate in the game.It naturally gatekept itself to experienced hobbyists who are more likely to play for fun and narrative enjoyment than WAACfagging or fielding grey mini's.
>>96682379I've had kickstarters with much less high-profile people go on longer and still give the full product - usually with more added on as compensation, so I'm agreement that this isn't that shocking or worrying.
>>96682379> TBQH I almost preferred it when it didn't have official sculptsThis is a sign that you are severely autistic
>>96662326Are there any news on the Order of the Dragon?Is it gonna be like an actual faction or a subfaction for the Antioch?
>>96681634>Maybe some basic trench terrain?Probably wouldn't have trenches they're difficult and expensive. But the catacombs set that was released recently to let the players make their own might work>>96683562>This is a sign that you are severely autisticAnon we're discussing a niche miniatures skirmish game on 4chan. That was implied
>>96683601>Probably wouldn't have trenches they're difficult and expensiveI was thinking they might do what GW does for some of its Warhammer starter sets where the terrain is flat boxes with designs printed on them
>>96681876wouldn't simple cardboard terrain be cheap enough?I'd imagine different lengths of (flat) trenches, some bomb craters and maybe two pillboxes and some tank traps to put together
>>96681353Well no what little we have heard of peaceful areas is still awful since every natio is in a state of near total war. 12 hour shifts in arms factories, shortages of food and material, basically the only reprieve given is the sabbath.
Are the Cult of the Black Grail a decent faction to start the game with or are they too advanced/tricky to handle for a new player?
>>96683579last we heard they're going to be a variant of the will-be-released-later Crusader Knights faction.
>>96684921They just aren't very exciting imo. A bit rigid in how they play. But not some sort of mechanical conundrum no
>>96684921I actually ran a new player through the game last week with his newly painted grail. Yeah seems fine. Paint 700 worth of dudes minimumPlay a few games of the Great War scenario back to back and modify your list each game so you can figure shit out.
Gearing up for my first campaign and I want to try starting with the maximum number of Sultanate elites for maximum XP, which resulted in this.>Warband Variant: The House of Wisdom (Heavy Flamethrower, Anti-Tank Hammer)Elite:>Alchemist [110 Ducats]: Cartography & Geometry, Sniper Rifle>Alchemist [109 Ducats]: Philosophy, Poetry and Theology, 2x Pistol, Grenades, Standard Armour>Fāris [127 Ducats]: Anti-Tank Hammer, Trench Shield, Grenades, Standard Armour, Medi-Kit>Fāris [174 Ducats]: Heavy Flamethrower, Sword/Axe, Alchemist Armour, Elixer of Al-KhidrTroop:>Brazen Bull [180 Ducats]: MURAD Bombardment, Trench Shield, Standard Armour, Combat HelmetTotal 700 on the nose.I gave it one test game against Trench Ghosts and I'd ideally like to get a flame cannon on the Bull instead of the Murad for more AP, but I'm not sure what to drop for the 10 extra points. I suppose I could downgrade the Alch Armour Faris to Reinforced Armour for now. I'm also not sure whether I'd be better off with the Faris' backup sword or a Mountaineering Kit to let pistol alch get into melee more easily.
>>96685730Way too expensive per man, here.Remember that your dudes, even with armor, go down startlingly easy, and you do not have the numbers to enact board control or take objectives.IS elites are not armies unto themselves the way say, Court elites are.
Dead thread.Dead game.
>>96676837Minis aren't terrible tbhon. Just too expensive.
have they mailed the book yet
>>96685730I feel like your lost desperately needs dudes with a jezzail. Getting to 7 activations is super important
>>96686283>>96687691The general idea was to get through a game or two with the two Tough -2 armour boys and decent damage output on almost every model and then use the proceeds to turn on the 35d azeb printer, although some of that was admittedly me trying to get maximum XP gain across my elites by stuffing all of them into one list.Is there a reason why you want seven activations in particular? I could fairly easily either drop a guy for a bunch of azebs or add those after my first match.
>>96687871>Is there a reason why you want seven activations in particular?Mostly it's a pretty good rule of thumb that prevents you from getting blown out in terms of activations. With how lethal the game is, losing your brass bull on game 1 and taking additional scars early you don't need hurts a lot
>>96687935I hadn't thought about the risk of early scars, good point there. The Bull is such a pain to add in later on during a campaign that I feel bound to keep him in the starting list, but I could perhaps drop the hammer Faris or the sniper Alch and add a musician and a couple of 35d jezzail azebs. Hammer boy being able to peel melee attackers off the others seems useful, so it might be the sniper.
>>96684658I'm basing my opinion off the fact that they had official terrain in the kickstarter so they'd probably use that and that isn't cardboard
I was thinking of painting my Heretic Legion minis in a flashier way to signal that they're sworn to Mammon but I don't know if gold would work with how grimy this setting looks.
>>96688642Mammon's legions are always swagged up, gold with purple trim is mandatory
It totally does imo. Mammons cool.
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>>96683562NTA, but he was right that not having an easily accessible model line immediately filtered out a relatively undesirable (for some) hobby crowd.Add to that, this is not nor ever will be a large market, so maintaining a tight base of players who are also relatively experienced with model building stands as good advertising.
>>96688369>>96687871The sniper alchemist with pick and choose infiltrate is fucking excellent; drop the pistol alchemistAs to it, I would drop the flamer Faris, and replace the medikit with the elixir. Your hammer Faris WILL get gunned down early on as you race him across the field.Unless you know for a fact that the you will face an artillery witch, the combat helmet on the Bull is unneeded.This will leave you about 280 points, and a core force of heavy hitters both at range and in melee.I would add>1-2 LionsYou NEED to give your hammer Faris some backup. Trench clearers do not go solo (save Death Commandos) and the fast moving lion gets you both to objectives and forces the enemy to make unpleasant choices.>0-1 homunculiThey get GOOD as campaigns proceed, and it is always better to get them early, imo.Fill the rest of the list with 35 ducat Kavass with jezzails and alchemical ammo.A quick test saw that with the 280 left over, you could purchase 2 lions, 1 homunculi, and 3 jezzy kavass, bringing you up to 9 activations, with a strong advance force and shooty line.
>>96688642Silvery bits also works well, doesn't even have to come off as silver, just highly polished and swaggery. You can also settle for the trim of the uniforms and helmets if you want it to be more subtle.>>96690766>Trench clearers do not go solo (save Death Commandos)Fucking love me death commandos, simple as. Suck that Knights of avarice can't have them.
>>96688868The more I look at the warwolf I want a conversion with a trooper riding it.Because why not
>>96691082Death commandos are the one unit in the game that I always respect on the table.They are simply too dangerous to allow them to get in to their element/
>>96682332I think that NA is a terrible idea for a starter faction for the simple reason that NA doesn't play anything like how it looks and is generally a high skill floor faction which interacts with other factions in a very specific way (crushing CQC efficiency).HL is definitely a good choice, given that it has a mix of melee and ranged capabilities. The next two best options would be IS or Pilgrims, but both have their flaws - Pilgrims are a bit too melee unga bunga and IS are a bit too gunline centric, neither of which is ideal for an introductory arrangement where both included factions should be teaching the players piloting them about all the aspects of gameplay. Of the two, IS is probably the better choice mechanically because it at least has the assassin and lions for melee, but Pilgrims are much more thematically appropriate since it is weird for a game about trench crusades to not have any crusaders in its introductory box.
>>96691116The war wolf is just sick as hell. Honestly all the special units for HL are just really cool design wise. Even if the goetic warlock isn't great and the sin eater desperately needs the naval raiders buff. They're all just metal as hell. Which is just a good time
>>96691880To be pedantic the pilgrims aren't crusaders, thats a faction we'll be getting later.
Hollow Knight Silksong crossover art
>>96698323I hate this kind of crossover, I find it extremely "funko-pop".
>>96698323>‘What if x was in x’Cringe
>>96698323Should be church of metamorphosis instead
>>96698478>>96698607Retard.>>96698904Good post.
>>96698478>People are such technology imbeciles they legitimately think computers are magic
>>96699816Factual, fellow enlightened scientist.
>>96696831They aren't crusader *knights*, but as per the lore in the playtest:>Pilgrims are not officially sanctioned by the Holy See of New Antioch, but the Church still blesses the crusades of the faithful.Trench Pilgrims are functionally unsanctioned bands of crusaders.
I really like the New Antioch blend of medieval knights and WW1 soldiers aesthetic, but something about Iron Sultanate just isn't doing it for me. It's just medieval turkish / arab man with a gas mask. Pic related is maybe my favorite of the lineup.It's a shame because I like the IS rules / gameplay the best. I might try to find WW1 miniatures at the right scale and add some IS bits to them, the Defenders at least seem like they could be a more regular / uniform force
>>96702327Personally I really enjoy the more ornate classical look of the IS - guess thats the idea to spread out the aesthetics so most people have at least one they like.
>>96699816People think that aliens are actually demons, too. Good potential synergy there.
>>96662326Has anybody here worked with Anvil Industry miniatures here? How's the resin/3D print quality when ordered from them?I find some of the options look pretty good for making some trenchers.
>>96665410Does this game even have... Models, or rules...?Last I checked it's just concept art and loose lore.
>>96704824It's had models and rules for ages, Anon. You can find the rules in the OP mega, and the models are both 3d print and an upcoming plastic kit from WGA (though they miss the mark by all accounts). The game also high encourages kitbashing minis.
>>96704824At least check the OP
>>96702327>>96704419I feel the vibe they're going for is more renaissance with IS, them having jezzails and the like, I do agree that the different design philosophy helps them stand out a bit
>>96707082Nu uh! They did it because they are glazing Islam and were scared to do anything ugly with it, like the slavery and man-made abominations against the natural order!...
Sorry I've been away boys. I was big sultanate posting but I'm a Mammon man for now until IS gets AP and prussia gets nerfed.
Game from a con
WiP of mammon. Gonna get a new warwolf tomorrow when it's done printing.
>>96707356Are the green and gold heretics yours, because ive been thinking of doing my IS with silver and green but i've never done any green stuff so i need colour recs
>>96679996Nigga just go on ebay and get some furry to print you them for like 50 bucks for an entire range. Why do you guys have to have shit plastic that will be the same but priced 30x higher.
>>96707516Yes. It's absolution green from AP. Silver is cool vs gold warm. So going a more blueish green would benefit you. My IS are actually Indigo mostly.
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>>96704824Retard.
>>96704419>>96707082I do like how the IS have a distinct style, but I think it ends up being less evocative than the “WW1 soldiers in Crusader plate armor” look of New Antioch. Islamic Golden Age + Renaissance just aren’t distinct enough from each other to create the kind of clash that makes NA interesting, imoStill printing and painting my Sultanate guys, but I might try to learn some Blender and see what I can come up with
My favorite unit is sultanate assassins
>>96708801for me it’s the Lion, which is a shame because I’ve been liking Defenders the best
>kickstarter ended a year ago>only received my dice
>>96710350Lion is very charming but I wish they had more gear options.Pit locusts I feel similarly about
>>96710848Have you asked for a follow up? also the big beast and heresiarch stuff is being fulfilled now, don't forget to check backerkit
I’ve seen people recommend the Halberd-Gun for Alchemists, but doesn’t Polearm + Grenade do just as well at short range and for 6 ducats cheaper? Plus you can add a Shield later on in a campaignDon’t care about long range, my Alchemist is here to babysit my Grand Cannon
>>96707516I made turbans out of thin strips of white masking tape. Adding them on top of german WW1 figures with gasmasks got me close to the official figures.>>96711140Halberd-gun makes you pay for the decent range, and gives you access to good offense and a defensive measure. My yuzbazi has survived multiple charges by enemy elites due to the charge penaltyThat said, I usually have him on the move. If you do not plan to roam the field, the polearm+shield is perfectly viable.
>>96711113I have and they’ve just said it’s all good and being worked on. Just like really a whole damn year man?
>>96714511Oof thats rough, although estimates for demand was 50 times lower than what they got so ye fulfilment has taken a while
>>96678833Are there any pictures of women in the Janissaries?
I'm gonna get some stuff printed but I don't know how many of each model I should print for Iron Sultanate. There's a guy that does it for cheap and I got the .STLs.
>>96716284Depends on how long you intend on playing. Is this just for making one-off warband or a whole campaign?
>>96716284I think part of the fun of TC is the campaigns which lead you down unntended paths as models die, or get promoted, or you come across an exploration that pushes you in a new direction.The downside is "what models should I get" is basically "you have no idea how much you'll need". That said you can pretty easily find proxies for their models (unlike the more specific Court for example).Are you doing any subfaction of the IS or just base?
>want to start a campaign>no one in my area wants to play>”we’re waiting for the book to come out”What are the odds I’m going to have to wait another year for the exact same rules
>>96718017From the combat biologist we at least know the terminology / presentation is getting a pretty solid rework. Rip the compendium anon
>>96716479Just one-off games, I don't know the local scene well enough and I like the models so grab a few models and test the field. At worst I'll have cool looking models.>>96717558>Are you doing any subfaction of the IS or just base?I really have no idea how much I'll need. I'll probably get one of each .stl, so it'll be basically;-4 jannies-1 yuzbasi-1 assassin-1 alchemist-4 azaps-2 lions-1 bull-1 sapperI don't know if I can make a playable roster out of those, or will have unnecessary ones, or not enough models.
>>96718219The House of Wisdom variant runs double alch, so if you want freedom to run what I consider the most entertaining Sultanate faction you probably want two of those guys. Same for Fidai'i, who can take three Assassins, although they're in a fairly bad state right now ruleswise.Otherwise good, although you may want something to stand in for a Homunculus or two if you like the look of House of Wisdom.
>>96718219I would definitely get more than just one sapper, at least 2 but possibly more.
>>96718246TLDR me on why alamut sucks plz
>>96719343They're by no means unplayable, they're just a little short on AP and basically centred around having three powerful but reasonably frail elite models, which doesn't really cut it when the enemy is putting up a wall of -2/-3 on heavily durable models (Trench Pilgrims, Court, Grail in a wonky kind of way, HOW further on into campaigns) or a wave of dirt cheap unarmoured chumps who will happily blood marker farm any exposed model and then delete it with AP weapons (NA, often Heretics). They end up doing a lot of careful poking around the edges because they don't trade efficiently and the NA player doesn't care if you cut two guys in half before being exploded by a satchel charge.Assassins are, however, really really fun. The average alamut game involves your opponent going "that's bullshit" six consectuve times and then probably winning anyway. Hopefully Sultanate gets a bit of a tuneup in the next major update, of their subfactions only House of Wisdom has a modern-ish arsenal and that's mostly because they can steal everyone elses, but all four variants have excellent style.In general, Prussia is spectacularly busted, Papal States become busted if you spam reinforce to get an unholy amount of Glory and Dirge/Great Hunger Grail are both obnoxious, but everyone else is at least reasonably playable into each other, assassins and vanilla Sultanate just haven't got much of a balance look in a while.
>>96719520where do Defenders sit? I just want to dig trenches and shoot artillery in the trench war game
>>96715739I haven't seen any
>>96720518I will be honest, I have not seen them fight. TC maps are usually pretty densely populated with terrain so you can't JUST set up the cannon & siege jezzail line and have at it, so they're likely about average if a little inflexible, but they sure do get a lot of otherwise very large guns and will do a lot of damage if they get to shoot them. Defenders are almost certainly fine for regular games against anything but Prussia/Dirge - in general I recommend playing any Sultanate variant other than vanilla, because vanilla is just worse.Sultanate in general was designed very early and hasn't really gotten a lot of time in the oven since then, most of the subfactional difficulties are because they're relying on the fairly threadbare IS armoury rather than because their bonuses/design is bad per se. Of all the IS subfactions Defenders are probably most likely to get tweaks, they're relatively new, but we're waiting on the big book to be published so almost everyone is going "man, I hope they fix [my army's less popular subfaction] in the big release" right now. Personally I'm hoping they do something to make Lions of Jabir less horrendously overcosted.
>>96682379>>96682379Ive done up some kitbashed heretics. I want to see cool TC models. Post TC models, preferably kitbashed, but 3d print is fine too
>>96721110Postin
>>96720576>Lions of JabirGlorified objective cappers.
>Book is delayed againGod fucking damn it.
>>96722087yeah but they look cool
>>96698607I think the cringe aspect of it fades when you consider it was merely an artist's honest doodle and not some attempt to marry the disparate settings.To the illustrator this is simply a fun warmup. The cringe lies with the irregular observer who drools over the thought of having his various obsessions merged together. It's innocent whimsy until someone yells "fund it"
>>96710848I have been fighting the shop3D people for three weeks now. They've lied about it 3 times, and now, finally, are just saying "we're working on it, please be patient." Really fucking regretting buying into this nonsense.
>“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days… They were the heroes of old, men of renown.”>New Syncretic Orthodox BibleMaximilian-class armour is the heaviest personal protection used by the Crusader Knight Orders. This armour has seen extensive use in sieges and battles, as it excels in confined spaces where manoeuvrability is less important than extraordinary protection and devastating melee power, along with the ability to bring their long-range heavy machine gun lances to bear against powerful foes and armoured Heretic vehicles.Each Knight wearing Maximilian-class armour is supported by a cadre of lay brethren Men-At-Arms, who deal with enemy anti-armour troops and act as spotters for the Knight, whose vision on the battlefield is limited. They also maintain the immense engines that power the suit, which is prone to all sorts of malfunctions and overheating. These engines have a voracious appetite for fuel, requiring constant feeding to allow these hulking battle towers to fight for any length of time.Although it follows the same technological principles as the machine armor used by standard Faithful forces, Maximilian-class armor has a unique design. Its origins lie in a military pilgrimage made into the Levant based on a dream of the stylite monk Giorgi, who was granted a vision of the Pillar of Life. A major expedition combining the forces of several Knightly Orders was sent to find the location marked out by the holy stylite.>1/2
>>96726997The story of the heroic expedition of ten thousand Crusader Knights is a popular subject of books and plays to this day, even though the story is shrouded in much mystery and legend. The Crusader Knights who undertook the pilgrimage each took a vow of silence, to ensure that the truth of the matter would never be revealed. What is known however, is that the expedition returned with fragments of ancient armour, as well as some extraordinarily large bones found atop a great rock pillar, which holy Giorgi had seen in his vision. The origins of the bones is the subject of intense speculation and debate, with some saying that they once belonged to the nephilim, titans mentioned in the oldest surviving holy books. From these fragments the artificers of the Order of the Aurelian Angelic Knights of Saint George developed the blueprint for Maximilian-class armour, combining their immense bulk with engine technology developed for machine armour.Standard machine armour is seldom modified, but Maximilian-class suits and their weapons, due to their rarity, are modified when their previous wearer is killed or too badly wounded to continue their service in combat. A careful process of testing and spiritual questioning by the Church overseers determines which of the sword brethren is granted the honour of wearing the suit. It is then modified to fit its new wearer and their fighting style, armaments and assigned role in combat. Each such suit can have all sorts of customization, such as vermiculite layers that protect the wearer against flamethrowers, or a self-contained breathing apparatus that shields the Crusader Knight from gas weapons.>2/2
>>96727001I have to assume this will be the Mega Unit of the crusader knights, when we get them.
>>96724361Where’d you hear this?
>>96729156Kickstarter update. They're looking for optimal printing method for the book.
>>96662326Isn't this the scam wargame with their minis breaking apart due to air bubbles and the book still isn't out yet?
>>96729346>the scam wargame with their minis breaking apart due to air bubbles and the book still isn't out yet?Do you realize how little that narrows it down?
>book delayed>still no plastic kits>political drama in the shitcord and social mediagrim
>>96729349>Three million dollars in funding>provides defective .stl files even after monthsYou can't be serious. Please tell me the files have been fixed.
>>96715739What about pictures of the Janissaries in women?>>96677054Trench Pilgrims still look cool as fuck.
Calls itself trench crusade. Has no rules for trenches. :^/A question for those who play the game often: what is the appeal of this game? I played 3 games and i am already bored. The rules could not be more basic than they are.
Does anyone have any advice for putting together an Iron Sultanate Army? Could really use some help and pointers. Just a lot to take in at once.
Which faction has the most swords and sandals aesthetic
>>96731341I was curious until I started hearing about the discord community.It's basically a cynical attempt to shear off a slab of that "Grimdark" pie that Games Workshop left unattended to cool on a windowsil.The setting was written by two priests, apparently but they weren't interested in managing it as a property, with priest stuff to do, and the people they left it to are basically a pack of aids infested discord moderators.Also the developers are on record that they identify principally with the forces of hell.Shame; some of the minis looked cool.Maybe I will pirate an STL some time.
>>96699816>dude we could not have POSSIBLY landed on the moon, we didn't have the technology!>t. someone who has forgotten how to do long division
>>96731341>Has no rules for trenches.Yes it does? In fact there are several rules that explict mention trenches when talking about interac5ing with terrain
>>96726977Going by the latest update even the actual Team seems to be getting fed up with S3D>>96732328Baitposters
>>96732185Iron Sultanate is the only one that's even remotely close
>>96732248Was the Iron Sultanate added before or after it got handed off? Because their lore reeks of that, “the overwhelming light of Islam is the true path of salvation” fetishization that Discord freaks often fall into.
>>96732248>Also the developers are on record that they identify principally with the forces of Hell.Look I get it that the heretics have very cool minis but I cant for the life of me imagine unironically going team Hell if you were to live in that setting what the fuck lmfao
>>96732840It’s probably because the lore heavily indicates that Humanity is pretty much on their own in the conflict, with things like Metachrists or Observers being abominations and spies on the Almighty’s voice. In effect, the developers support Hell on the assumption that, if Hell was defeated, god would turn on Humanity* for the innumerable blasphemies committed in His name.*Only Catholics, because Islam is perfect and they haven’t done anything explicitly blasphemous. They even got the Wall, the only major miracle enacted by God.
>>96732927>Islam is perfect and they haven’t done anything explicitly blasphemous. They even got the Wall, the only major miracle enacted by GodYeah this is one of those things that doesnt sit right with me honestly, that shit reads as biased
>>96732927>Only Catholics, because Islam is perfect and they haven’t done anything explicitly blasphemous. >no I don't actually know anything about the setting, why do you ask?
>>96732992Then why don't you enlighten us?
>>96732927I guess this explains what people mean when they say Trench Crusade doesn't have a "good" side. Hell might be evil but at least they don't want to wipe out Creation.
>>96733068Uh remind me again, doesnt Beezleboy literally want to soup all of creation? Doesnt sound much better
>>96733061>I know fuck all about Islam outside memeswere you not here last thread?
Don't reply to seething tourists, post minis instead. Pic related, it's my latest Ecclesiastic Prisoner
>>96733061I shouldn't need to anon, the horrible shit going on in the sultanate isn't anymore hidden than the horrible shit going on in the church
>>96732423>Going by the latest update even the actual Team seems to be getting fed up with S3DNot enough to actually do anything. The customer service on the TC side didn't even respond to me at all. I don't even want the fucking things anymore. I just want what I'm owed because I'll burst a blood vessel if I let this debt go unsettled after all they've put me through.
>>96734105It is the weekend they're all out in full force
>>96732927>>96732934>Islam did nothing wrongSecondaries, get ye gone
>>96734105Lookin' swole
>>96734105Clearly this guy was imprisoned for being too darn sexy, all the local wives coveted him.
>>96732992These are the same people insisting that;>The game has no rules for Trenches.>The game was originally made by two priests, before they ditched it on a pair of hacks looking to rip off 40k.>The game was always meant to be a flop. No wait, direct competition 1 to 1 with GW, wait, no, a cash grab, wait, no, their genuine philosophical manifesto...>The game also is overly obsessed with the might and glory of Islam, and portrays it in an unfairly positive way.>The discord is full of trannies and bullied out good and honest little chuds for the sin of existing. Most famously, Arch, who just wanted to rescue/publicize the game.>That the game itself is a dogwhistle for politics. But the bad, evil, wrongthink kind. Especially if you like anything that's not Trench Clerics or New Antioch.It's like, we were all around for the whole thing. This isn't ancient history. Almost everyone ITT was around for the whole process.Do they think it's somehow impossible to just cast your memory back a year or so, and think "hmm, how did what they're alluding to actually happen?"
>>96665410I come into these threads only every once in a while but the more I think about the setting the more I don't like it
>>96732927>They even got the Wall, the only major miracle enacted by GodHonestly this is the single stupidest thing in the lore. There are other problems, but this one rubs me the wrong way.It feels like the Islam faction is there just to be there, it would make more sense if they were nomads and mercenaries who were fighting a constant guerilla war, assuming there were any left at all, but instead it just feels like they are handed free shit
>People seriously whining that Christians have it rough in TC when a fundamental aspect of Christianity is enduring through tribulations with faith and good characterThings might have changed when the story got picked up by Discord trannies, but the complaints that Hell is “cool” or Islam “has cool stuff” completely misses the point. “God works in mysterious ways” doesn’t always mean he’s working in a funky or funny way.
>>96733112Soup is tasty and fortifying
>>96736764>a fundamental aspect of Christianity is enduring through tribulations with faith and good characterIt's one thing when this happens and another when a god you worship shows favor to a rival religion who in your eyes worship and pay respects to a false profit.Honestly why would you even be Christian in trench crusade when you actually have to work for stuff and utterly suffer for it and even then it isn't even confirmed when you can just kneel to the magic city of Mecca and get a free wall as a sign on bonus? Like half of Christendom would have turned to evil out of spite and the other half would have gone full Muhammad if there was a 100% verified miracle on that scale. Christianity would have crumbled if that happened unless there was some other grand miracle that proved them watched over by God too, like some 2 sides of the same coin shit.You can explain away the minor stuff Christian factions get through magic if you really wanted, which I don't need to remind you people thought was real. Hard to discredit a magic fuckhuge wall with that claim though.Been a while since I read the lore but I don't think Christians get anything on that scale of direct divine intervention that is basically biblical.
>>96736811Not enough space but it might also because the Muslims are shown getting miracle after miracle and being united/never conquered while the Christians constantly get BTFO and are barely holding on in many cases in the lore primer. I'm pretty sure the Sultanate and Muslim factions don't suffer a single loss in the timeline. Even the Jews don't either, or at least neither are mentioned1109 – The Great Sultanate of the Invincible Iron Wallof the Two Horns That Pierce the Sky is formed. In thecoming decades it unifies the Islamic factions. The GreatIron Wall of Iskandar re-emerges and is fortified againstthe Heretics.1117 – The legendary Seventeen Martyrs travel tothe Earthly Domains of Hell to convert the Heretics.Captured, tortured and kept in a perpetual state ofagony, they remain trapped within white-hot BrazenBulls to this day.1165 – The Old Man in the Mountain and hisHashashins defend the mountain fortress of Alamut.The castle stands to this very day, despite being besiegedfor hundreds of years.1215-1306 – The Wars of Triclavianism. The Churchis split and fights a fierce internal conflict. Hereticdomains extend as the faithful fight against each other.Millions perish by sword and fire.So basically>miracle for Muslims, they all unite from this miracle>some retarded Christians btfo and tortured to death>Muslims so good at fighting or are so blessed that their fortress doesn't fall>dumb Christians infighting and won't unite>oh yeah and right after this on the timeline two holy christian cities, Constantinople and Antioch get fucking destroyed, Muslims aren't even mentioned again because they just keep winningAgain, not one single Muslim loss in the primer timeline while Christians suffer devastating defeat after defeat after catastrophe and yet somehow they held out this whole time? It's just poor writing imo
>>96736838>I'm pretty sure the Sultanate and Muslim factions don't suffer a single loss in the timeline.the vast majority of Muslims outside of Persia and Mali died trying to get to the Sultanate and all Muslims are permanently cut off from Mecca by the sandstorms protecting it from the Heretics
>>96736838Oh yeah also they say thisDespite all these preparations, it is a grim reality thatNew Antioch could never withstand the full onslaughtof the combined Heretic forces. It is only thanks tothe ferocious and bloody internal conflict amongst thedevils that has allowed the Principality to stand to thisday.So Christians are just fucked. Muslims meanwhileThe iron wall is the greatest defensive work in the world,a mighty bulwark festooned with the famed artilleryof the Sultan. Azeb sharpshooters stand at ready, everwatchful for surprise attacks, and the elite Janissaryregiments have barracks at set intervals near the wallso they can react to any attack at speedThus the protection of the Iron Wall has had an extensiveinfluence on the Sultanate Way of war. The conscriptedAzebs are experts at feigned flight and skirmish, whilethe loping Lions of Jabir harass the enemy flanks. Allthe while the superb artillery of the Sultan bombardsthe enemy as they make their tortuous journey acrossthe battlefield littered with traps set by the skilledSappers. When they reach the ranks of the faithful, theJanissaries, Sultan’s elite household troops, close in andfinish the enemy with their devastating counter chargeled by their Iron-willed officers. Dreaded Assassins fromAlamut prowl in the winds of time, striking the enemyelites and leaders, while the Alchemists of the House ofWisdom unleash devastating weapons made deadly bytheir elemental mastery, capable of overcoming defencesof virtually any foe.>>96736854That would mean that they wouldn't have the manpower for their super wall. Also they still go out and kidnap people for Janissaries beyond the wall so I doubt that there were that many deaths, or at least in any lasting amount. Also while true that is only one "millions perished" compared to the multiple that Christians get. Christians got multiple wars of infighting, plagues, multiple cities razed, famines, raids, conquest against mainland
>>96736838>Again, not one single Muslim loss in the primer timelineThey lost everything outside of the Iron Wall, the western Middle East, Turkey, North Africa, etc, including millions of their lives. The muslims had to flee east to be safe, those that weren't were butchered.
>>96736921So what you are saying is that their only loss was before they consolidated at all, and it wasn't even in combat - it was mid retreat with a bunch of civilians. Oh and also they haven't had one single major loss since.
>75% of a religion's followers being killed and their most holy cities disappearing off the face of the earth doesn't count as a loss because uhhhh.... their army fluff say that their soldiers are strongterminal retardation I'm afraid
If you think about it, they should call the game /Trench Jihad/
>>96736811>Honestly why would you even be Christian in trench crusade when you actually have to work for stuff and utterly suffer for it and even then it isn't even confirmed when you can just kneel to the magic city of Mecca and get a free wall as a sign on bonus?Well first of all following christianity for an eternal reward that you can't be sure of despite you not being reward in the material world for it is literally the basis of Christianity.Second of all, NA and TP have units that can constantly get mini blessings just by praying while IS does not. God is constantly helping them in small ways and only helps IS once in a big way.
>>96736935>it wasn't even in combat - it was mid retreat You can't be this retarded anon
>>96736935>beforeWhile, not before.Also those millions are on the ones that perished on the road, not all those that died who refused to believed the call.>and it wasn't even in combat - it was mid retreat with a bunch of civiliansI don't know why you presumed no soldiers answered the call, only civilians.>Oh and also they haven't had one single major loss sinceMillions of soldiers defending the wall and in the underground caverns made attempting to bypass it. The wall has been breached in parts by heretic artillery too, and if a cannon can break your holy miracle I'd consider it an important defeat. Regardless of that, during that period of time they've also had no major victory. They have reclaimed an iota of land that was taken from them. Not losing is not the same as not winning.
>>96736980>*haven't
>>96736954>75% of a religion's followers being killedClearly not, otherwise their wall would have fallen from lack of manpower. For the cities you would have a point if not for the fact that even without the magic wall they are apparently so cool and badass compared to the stinky dumb Christians who lose shit all the time that they can hold a fortress for hundreds of years easy. Also there are people who live outside the wall, that is literally where the Janissaries come from.>Captured during raids upon the desolate northern and eastern marches beyond the Iron WallWhen they say million it's like the difference between a bakers dozen and a dozen. They are using a Jewish million aka 100,000. I guess the primer does say that the timeline is [biased and likely inaccurate], pretty obvious against who.>>96736958Christians face much more substantial losses is kind of my point. Also Christians can be sure of miracles for Muslims at least, they literally have a divine wall. For others there isn't much proof that is isn't just magic.>>96736968It was civilians being in a sudden unsafe zone 1 (one) time. Compared to Christians always being raided and being in unsafe zones.Again I am not sure why Christianity hasn't fallen from converting to Islam and the fact that apparently millions die constantly from Hell raids, their own holy cities constantly being destroyed, plagues, and famine from those raids.>>96736980Multiple things wrong here but out of space
>>96736980>While, not before.Yes, before they consolidated. While they were consolidating, so before they consolidated.>Also those millions are on the ones that perished on the road, not all those that died who refused to believed the call.It doesn't say there were people who didn't believe it, only that the truly faithful got the call.So I guess Muslims got 2 huge miracles, if you want to word it like that.>I don't know why you presumed no soldiers answered the call, only civilians.I didn't say it was only civilians, I am saying there WERE fuck tons and thus an armies ability to defend them all would obviously be hamstrung.
>>96736980>Millions of soldiers defending the wall and in the underground caverns made attempting to bypass it. The wall has been breached in parts by heretic artillery too, and if a cannon can break your holy miracle I'd consider it an important defeat. Regardless of that, during that period of time they've also had no major victory. They have reclaimed an iota of land that was taken from them. Not losing is not the same as not winning.They've been chilling out discovering relics and shit also losing their holy cities doesn't matter when they have an even more holy thing that replaced them. Like if Constantinople fell and then God himself built neo Constantinople or a wall around Rome or something, people would just say "yeah then our religion is right, based" instead of caring about one city. Also they have had major victories. The book even says they will shitstomp Christians just to really show you the pecking orderThey hunt down apostates that have goneto serve Shaytans, look for the relics from the time ofthe Prophets, or seek to recover lost treasures and booksof knowledge from the ruins of the fallen Caliphates.Though an understanding between the Church and theSultanate on being co-belligerents against Jahannamexists, the commanders of these expeditions will tolerateno interference and do not hesitate to crush those whowould hinder their mission. Resentment against theinfidels who unleashed Gog and Magog runs deep inthe Sultanate, and matters of honour are swiftly resolvedwith duels to the death. Woe to those who dare to hinderthe mission of Those Who Believe
Y’know he loses in the end, right? Hell and the forces of evil are defeated by 2099. I know the current writers might fuck it up by being post-modern weirdos but if things play out as they should than Christians will prevail and all the wrongs are righted.You just need to have faith.
>>96736957Inshallah
>>96737034>They've been chilling out>also losing their holy cities doesn't matter You actually know nothing about what you're talking about, or are arguing is such bad faith, that it's embarrassing. Go farm (You)s elsewhere.
>>96737001Alamut holding for hundreds of years under siege is an obvious riff on the Assassins doing that in real life vs. the Seljuks, there's no reason to expect that Mecca and Medina could do it on their own, which is exactly why God hid themand the Jannies aren't taken from Muslim populations, they're taken from the Heretic enclave in irl Turkmenistan, and India
>>96734105>Don't reply to seething touristsI'm a tourist but don't seethe yet. How do I start?
>>96737049>You actually know nothing about what you're talking about, or are arguing is such bad faith, that it's embarrassing. Go farm (You)s elsewhere.Jews lost their holy city and they are still aroundChristians lost a bunch tooLosing holy cities doesn't mean much in this setting. If they fell to literally demons, they weren't really holy, were they?Also yes, they've been chilling out.>>96737058>and the Jannies aren't taken from Muslim populationsIt saysCaptured during raids upon thedesolate northern and eastern marchesbeyond the Iron WallSo definitely heretics or surviving Christians. Probably heretics, but obviously we all know what they did IRL. I don't think India. Probably Turkmenistan. It says "beyond the Iron Wall" and I don't think it goes that far east but it is vague so I'm not sure.Also beyond the iron wall could just be immediately to the west of it too, but the east most parts of that territory
>The faction whose citizenry can live normal lives and whose culture can actually still be described as a civilization>Naw they’re suffering just as sharply as everyone else, the mud-smeared fanatics on the other side of the holy super-wall are actually more blessedIf this game wasn’t biased towards Europe due to the demographics interested in the game you’d think this was Trench Jihad
>>96737211>Trench JihadKek. Sounds more catchy IMO
>>96737211Muslims aren't even Jihading in this setting, they are NEETingHalal dinosaur chicken nuggies while Europlebs starve on their 15th famine this year
>>96736958>I can either suffer my entire life to get blessed by god and go to heaven>Or I can live in peace and learning, still get blessed by god and go to heavenAgain, why would anyone be Christian if the Muslims clearly have a better deal? If the answer is “because that’s just where they were raised” than it still presents Europe/Christians as filthy tribal backwaters while Islam and the Sultanate are gleaming beacons of civilization. Trench Jihad indeed. This is only a Crusade because the developers know which side their bread is being buttered.
>>96737275>Why would anyone be Christian if the Muslims clearly have a better deal?Because they're infidels who picked the wrong religion, duh
I see the weekend thread shitters are still working hard to be annoying
Honestly I want to hear what happens behind the iron wall. At the moment my headcanon is that sultanate's leadership is ottoman tier murderfest, where you people kill off the rivals to the throne.
>>96738122Given how many of the regular units mention mind-altering substances to make them loyal I assume they're doing some MK-Ultra shit in the water and filling it with holy lsd.Also people are saying islam gets glazed but Christians hold like 50 times as much territory and are the only ones where regular units get miracles right? Aren't christian paladins the only faithful who are strong enough to enter hell proper?>>96737924It activates the worst of my autism to try and correct people on lore.
>>96738322Let's not forget that the islamic culture is possibly more profane than even the Christian one where they create lose despite creation being the sole provenance of God in their understanding. The church cloning and torturing the messiah is horrific. By that wouldn't fall all by their telling
>>96738394Maybe thats why god stopped giving them miracles after that big one.
>>96738322Muslims got one miracle and that is the wall, and now lean on esoteric magic. Something Islam does not approve. And yes, paladins are the only ones of the faithful that can enter hell.
>>96738579>Muslims got one miracle and that is the wallNot even confirmed to be work of God. I feel like in general in the setting God works through people rather than as an active patron like the demons are. Demons are out there giving powers through contracts etc, having a very direct impact on the world, while most miracles come from the Meta-Christs or similar man made sources. God probably gave the inspiration to someone for the clones, but it's up to man to make them real and fight for their souls. The iron wall is afaik the only "direct miracle of God" we've seen, and that does raise questions. I personally go with the Mammon setting it up for his rivals to bang against ineffectually, like one anon here once suggested.
I need pictures of these bitches called Artillery Witches
>>96737001>Christians face much more substantial losses is kind of my point. Which is in keeping with christian ethos. The entire religion is centered on the martyrdom of saints and a prophet in the face of greater forces trying to get them to abandon their faith.>For others there isn't much proof that is isn't just magic.How are their miracles potentially magic but wall for sure isn't?>It was civilians being in a sudden unsafe zone 1 (one) timeAnd the militaries lol
>>96729506I can’t speak for the ones people have had printed by team, but the files are fine. Even before the fixes they’ve done, there wasn’t much wrong with them - at least on my end.Now, the only problem I actually had with them, was that a number of the larger models come in one solid piece, rather than being broken into seperate parts. I didn’t much too much problems with getting them printed, but there were some real bastardius bits that made things a bit obnoxious. The alchemical tit-bird on the sultanate captain, for example, was a real bugger.
>>96737140>Losing holy cities doesn't mean much in this setting. If they fell to literally demons, they weren't really holy, were they?So then what are the "great losses" of the cristians if holy defenses, cities, and millions of civilians being lost doesn't matter?
>>96737275>Again, why would anyone be Christian if the Muslims clearly have a better deal?It's almost like a major part of the Bible is forgoing better deals and holding onto your faith.
Imagine how anons itt would react to new testament >the meek shall inherit the earth???? Why does this book depict Christians as such pussies>why would you even follow god if all he does is constantly test your faith????>Satan can give you all the nations in world???? Why wouldn't you just follow him then????
>>96738883it's genuinely hilarious how much twitter tradfags hate Christianity despite orienting their entire life around it
>>96738709>Which is in keeping with christian ethos. The entire religion is centered on the martyrdom of saints and a prophet in the face of greater forces trying to get them to abandon their faith.And Muslims aren't encouraged to martyr themselves for 72 virgins? Please.>How are their miracles potentially magic but wall for sure isn't?Its about the scale. Plenty of humans can claim to be lucky or blessed in small ways, not many have the power to erect a God wall>>96738723It's the fact that the Muslims lost once 800 years ago and not once since. While Christians have comparable losses to the one Muslim loss about once a century basically
>>96738883God is mostly impartial/subtle in real life and fair, that is kind of the appeal of Christianity. If God started picking sides and picking favorites then it destroys the universalism of Christianity. It's basically saying "oh yeah btw I think Muslims got it more right than you so I will personally shield them from catastrophe sorry not sorry"
>>96738737>It's almost like a major part of the Bible is forgoing better deals and holding onto your faith.Except Muslims worship the same god and presumably go to the same Heaven. It's like staying Jewish when Christianity is available.
>>96740732I forgot my image
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>>96737107Honestly you need a 3d printer for trench crusade, or to pre-order/proxy.
>>96740732>"oh yeah btw I think Muslims got it more right than you so I will personally shield them from catastrophe sorry not sorry"It's a good thing then that God didn't do that.
>>96742266>trench crusadeTrench Jihad*
The Iron Wall is just the actual legend of Dhu al-Qarnayn building a great wall to hold back Gog and Magog, they didn't just pull this one out of nowhere either. Different versions vary wildly as to who al-Qarnayn was meant to be and whether he had any physical heavenly assistance in this, although the actual legend in the Quran specifies that humans did help him build the wall. This is no more "a random asspull" than the Stigmatic Nuns getting Christ-themed superpowers is, it's just a bigger reference.The Sultanate is also running around creating agonized artificial lifeforms with no hope of salvation and throwing them into the meatgrinder, they're not exactly nice people.
Is there a big gallery with all of the released official art?Not rules or lore, just pictures.
>>96737107>>96742266There is also a TTS scene for the game and you can find people who will sell their 3d prints but they're rare
>>96744740I think by volume the sultanate has more child soldiers and mind controlled people than the heretics>Captains given drugs to make them sociopaths>Jannisaries are child slaves also drugged into subservience>Assassins are raised from childhood and full of hallucinogens>Alchemists given drugs to open their third eye>Takwin beasts I think Sappers and Azebs are their only pseudo normal units
>>96740715>And Muslims aren't encouraged to martyr themselves for 72 virgins? Please.It's a different kind of martyrdom, Jesus died on a cross whilst not resisting his fate while martyrdom for a jihad is more so trying to accomplish a god given duty despite your likelihood of death.>It's the fact that the Muslims lost once 800 years ago and not once since. While Christians have comparable losses to the one Muslim loss about once a century basicallyBut what are those christian losses? Again remember that apparently losing territory, holy cities, civilians, and military fortifications don't count.
The unfortunate connotations of "Crusade" should be reason enough to change the name of this game, though I'm not too sure about "Trench Jihad" since that can also squick people out.
>>96740732>God is mostly impartial/subtle in real life and fair, that is kind of the appeal of Christianity.What is the value in a wall to shield your mortal body if you're already promised a spot in the eternal kingdom of heaven? Nothing you have brought up so far doesn't also hold true irl anon.other people in other religions or without religion entirely can lead better lives through pure chance than someone who's a believer in Christianity. Is a homeless veteran a dumbass for being christian because some Saudi prince claims his wealth is given to him due to his faith in Mohammed?
>>96740782>Except Muslims worship the same god and presumably go to the same HeavenOh okay so you just have no theological understanding of either religion. This makes it pretty obvious why you're so confused.
>>96747097>It's a different kind of martyrdomExcuses, excuses. Tons of Christians sacrificed themselves in battle too.>Again remember that apparently losing territory, holy cities, civilians, and military fortifications don't countThe iron sultanate has literally not lost territory.Holy cities only once, and even then apparently they are """protected""" by sandstorms, they weren't utterly eradicated.Civilians in the millions only once compared to time after time of Europeans.Military fortifications never.At least according to the primer.>>96747145>What is the value in a wall to shield your mortal body if you're already promised a spot in the eternal kingdom of heaven?You are kind of missing the point.If only Muslims get a grand miracle, actually 2 since apparently they also got a call to hide behind the wall and unite, and you meanwhile keep getting shit on by constant raids, demonic super weapons, famine, plagues, etc, then there isn't really much substance backing up your religion compared to others. It would be different if both got a big miracle or neither did, but the fact that only Muslims got it means that for all intents and purposes they were specifically chosen. And if only they get chosen and spared from future catastrophe, Christian universalism falls apart.Also not to mention Christians are portrayed as infighting retards who kill millions of their own, opened the gates of hell in the first place (and get blamed by Muslims for it), let demons and hell get gains and literally only hold out because of "infernal infighting", killing even more Christians from it while apparently Muslims are above such trifles and have no real scruples just holding their wall and even bitch slapping Christians if they feel like it.Let me put it into perspective. The only large loss Muslims took was 800 years ago but they also gained a practically impenetrable defense and have suffered no real loss since. 800 years is the time from the 1st crusade to WW1.
>>96747286>Also not to mention Christians are portrayed as infighting retards who kill millions of their own, opened the gates of hell in the first place (and get blamed by Muslims for it), let demons and hell get gains and literally only hold out because of "infernal infighting", killing even more Christians from it while apparently Muslims are above such trifles and have no real scruples just holding their wall and even bitch slapping Christians if they feel like it.Let me put it in simple words for you; Trench Crusade is a game made and marketed towards Europeans. It's going to give most of the focus on Europeans and Christians because the developers know that's who will give them the most attention (and money.) Christians must have miracles otherwise what's even the point of this game? On the other hand, it's a common practice among Western developers - especially the type of developers that currently hold Trench Crusade - to be incredibly soft (or at times, openly fawning) of Islam. It's why nobody wants to touch Al-Qadim anymore, or why Islam is the stronger of the faiths in LANCER, and why the Iron Sultanate is so outwardly cool, cultured and wise.Like, Christians do get stuff in this game, because as I said the Developers know they "have" to do that, but the Iron Sultanate are the sweet babies. Just understand that being a Christian kinda sucks in this game, and just fucking play it, okay?
>>96747335>Let me put it in simple words for you; Trench Crusade is a game made and marketed towards EuropeansAnd and the self flagellation is getting old
>>96747335>Like, Christians do get stuff in this game, because as I said the Developers know they "have" to do that, but the Iron Sultanate are the sweet babies. Just understand that being a Christian kinda sucks in this game, and just fucking play it, okay?Part of the reason I don't want to play it is because I can't get invested in the lore, same for modern 40k.Only game I play and know nothing of the lore for it battletech because it's too autistic for me
>>96747286>Excuses, excuses. Tons of Christians sacrificed themselves in battle too.Not in biblical canon, which is the point. Christianity is not a religion focused around a warlord, it's a religion focused around a preacher who advocated for pacifism in most cases.>The iron sultanate has literally not lost territory.The wall did not fully cover IS territory, everything outside it was lost.>Holy cities only once, and even then apparently they are """protected""" by sandstorms, they weren't utterly eradicated.There's other holy cities besides those that have been lost.>Civilians in the millions only once compared to time after time of Europeans.So millions of civilians does matter now?>Military fortifications never.The wall has been breached multiple times>At least according to the primer.Read moar>then there isn't really much substance backing up your religion compared to others.Anon, do you not know how religion works? Do you think people irl are religious because substantive proof?>while apparently Muslims are above such trifles and have no real scruples just holding their wall and even bitch slapping Christians if they feel like it.Now you're just making up head canon. Maybe stop imagine lore that doesn't exist for you to get mad about?>The only large loss Muslims took was 800 years ago And what is the large christian losses they keep happening? You keep making vague statements about christian losses and then complaining that IS lack specific losses.
>>96747593>So millions of civilians does matter now?They do but millions 800 years ago one time is different than millions a century.>Do you think people irl are religious because substantive proof?No but in real life there isn't any obvious miracle. It requires actual, you know, faith to believe in a miracle. As opposed to a physical thing that is sort of undeniable.>Now you're just making up head canonNo. See >>96737034 copy pasted from the primer.>And what is the large christian losses they keep happening?Read the primer. Can't be bothered to reply to the rest of this since you seem to not even understand my train of thought nor actually look at the book so no real point.
Look, I think we can just acknowledge that the Sultanate is better than the Christians and move on. The game is clearly going to continue catering to Christians because Europeans buy the game.
>>96747728>No but in real life there isn't any obvious miracle. It requires actual, you know, faith to believe in a miracle. As opposed to a physical thing that is sort of undeniable.Which means they shouldn't be bel8eving in god irl by your logic. They're going to church every week and donating a tithe for no benefit that the common man doesn't get.Nevermind the fact that both factions recieve miracles just in completely different forms you dumbass. God has given the christians the ability to actually go into hell and fight it on their terms and literally the only thing IS has is a wall that isn't even impenetrable.>No. See >>96737034 # copy pasted from the primer.That just says they're willing to fight Christians to accomplish the mission of sending hell back to hell, which is the same thing the christians are willing to do to them anon. >Read the primer. Can't be bothered to reply to the rest of this since you seem to not even understand my train of thought nor actually look at the book so no real point.How about you read something besides just the primer anon? There's plenty of additional lore and stories and you seem to solely be stuck on the hurdle of a lack of evidence of something happening != that thing not happening.
>>96748250>God has given the christians the ability to actually go into hell and fight it on their termsGod didn't give them shit, they cloned the Son of God until one of them was lucid enough to offer help, and then they started feasting on him like cannibals.
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>>96747362>Hangs out in a dedicated thread for a game he doesn't want to playI think you'll find /v/ to be more your speed
>>96748416I know it's not the main focus here but rules for like small personal tanks and biplanes would be so cool. Not huge vehicles but something like this
>>96748512The scenario where you fight the dragon suggest you can replace the dragon with a ghost tank.
>>96748442>fishnet stockings on the bombsl-lewd
>>96670196>all that drama I keep hearing aboutelaborate
>>96749097not worth it getting people started, it happened on a different discord to the one the devs manage entirely.
>>96747362So why are you talking about the lore of you don't understand it? Oh, wait, I got it. You're a retard.
>>96749717oh yeah fair enough, in that case i won't bother mentioning the thing that happened in the irc the other day. wouldn't want to rile people up again
>>96748272God didn't give the Muslims shit either. Your entire position hinges on a false premise.
>>96748442why is there a roadheader cutting head on that bombwhats it going to do, spin slowly in place and cut through a bunker??
>>96748272>God didn't give them shit, they cloned the Son of God until one of them was lucid enough to offer help, and then they started feasting on him like cannibals.Being able to pray to god mid battle in order to recieve blessings is a core mechanic to both christian factions you obvious retard.
>>96751598>Being able to pray to god mid battle in order to receive blessings is a core mechanic to both christian factions you obvious retard.Yeah and the Metachrists are the ones that are answering their prayers, not God. Everything built by the Christians is either hijacking some of God's power or eavesdropping in on His echo.
>>96751885>Yeah and the Metachrists are the ones that are answering their prayersFanfic, they explicitly state specific instances of the metachrists doing stuff, not all come from them.
>>96751885Anon at this point it seems more so like you want this to be how the lore is rather than the opposite given you're so fervent about arguing that its true.
>>96665410>create 40k type game>be actively hostile to the people leaving 40k for being concerned with wokeness>mock the people who compare this game's plague faction with NurgleIt's a mystery why.
>>96741937>>96741980>>96742020I love Artillery witches so much, but them being like robots made in hell ruins the concept to me, i prefer if they were just regular women who became witches and started throwing bombs everywhere
>>96751531Who says it spins slowly? It's made in a hell factory, Anon.
>>96748219>>96748219I mean the audience for this game clearly has an issue with how European centered the setting is seeing how people keep begging for the Aztec and how the most popular fan works are about the Chinese faction. Real reason they keep catering to Europeans is to avoid criticism of cultural appropriation
>>96752314There is more than one anon who has this complaint, I just opened up this window one more time to check before I closed it since I was hoping someone would make Trench Crusade make more sense to me or present an argument I would accept for it being not biased but it didn't happen. A shame because there are a couple interesting concepts even if it is squandered over all.
>>96756079Personally, them being mass-produced is the icing on the cake for The Sorta Joke that is the witch.
Finished the Aliexpress Communicant Anti-Tank Hunter model
The concern trolling from 40kiddies in this thread is fucking pathetic. Actual SJW tier shit. >>96738684Arty bitch
>>96757348Why haven't people been reporting the troll shit?Jannies are generally good at policing the worst faggotry.>>96757022It won't make sense if you do not read the lore and accept second/thirdhand accounts as accurate.Or even read the threads themselves. In the last thread, you had people actually accounting for the various heresies each faction was up to, and how the devs made it a point to use actual knowledge of Scripture to craft them. It proved how smoothbrained and ignorant a lot of the posters really are.
>>96751531Do you say this every time the picture is posted?
>>96757645No matter how many times you even outright prove them wrong, they'll just ignore it so they can keep pretending to care.
>>96757718True; it's not that they do not know, it's that the point is to troll and derail the thread.So the arrow toggle it is.
>>96757718anyone know where that surfing artillery witch comes from??
>>96757022>making an ad populum argument on an anonymous forumEven if every single post was a unique post it doesn't change anything about the fact it's an argument being made from the perspective of someone who's agnostic at best and fails the sally-anne test.
>>96756079I disagree.The idea of an assembly line churning these things out is the height of unintentional hilarity.
Is Trench Companion-anon around? There's a gnarly error across the top of the webpage for me
>>96762224Thanks anon, fixed.
>>96665410it just needs a video game and be capable of selling minis that arent in shitty resin quality.
>>96762388Even as a fan of the game, the regularity of poor prints is a little embarrassing.
>>96662326>TQI'm curious about what the temple of metamorphosis will have as mooks, considering their default place in universe is bookish researchers but in hell.
>>96765149Scuttlers shaped like books, of course.
isnt the entire appeal of trench crusade to kitbash your gw minis for this game?
>>96766693Not the entire appeal of the game, but kitbashing (using any minis, not just gw ones) is a big part of it and actively encouraged by the devs.
>>96766693>isnt the entire appeal of trench crusade to kitbash your minis for this game?Not all, but it's a lot. It means that most armies will not resemble each other, and it's kinda a treat to see.
>>96766693getting to customise your warband with its own quirks and features is a big part i reckon
>>96766693>GW minisYou lost the plot here. Giving them your money to play other games is extra sad ngl.
>>96768384clearly they mean Gross Weird minis.
>>96766693My buddy has a resin printer that my whole play group uses. Apparently Telegram has a lot of free models available.He joined a Krieg model group and was surprised to see that everyone in it was an actual Nazi. I’m not really sure why he found that shocking.
>>96715739If they're following the old Janissaries, then not likely. Possibly an all-female Janissary group that formed without sanction.
>>96766693no. the point of this game, and every other game for that matter, is to purchase the Official™ squad kits off the shelf and then assemble and paint them to match the box art exactly just like everybody else. showing up to a tournament or gaming meet up with a custom made army might offend hobbylets so it's best not to rock the boat.
>>96734105His lack of wounds makes me wonder whether he was a civvie who volunteered.>Dios mios. I am too sexy. I tempt women into bigamy and unmarital sex. I must enter the holy war and martyr myself.
>>96761132>ywn work on the hell assembly line making welding Artillery Witch legs for the rest of your life. Only to be thrown into Hell when your body inevitably fails so your soul can feed Hell's armies.Make me glad that I'm living in New Antioch. Oh look. A fly.
>>96762388I'm sure they don't even want to make minis. They just used that as bait to lure in people from Warhammer along side a smattering of lore to generate hype for their company. They're just interested in looking like something big to entice a larger conglomerate to buy them out so they get a massive pay off and don't have to actually do anything. They're slap dash method of managing this project speaks plainly to their intentions, this isn't an enthusiastic up and comer working through some growing pains, this is a cynical cash grab and no mistake.
>>96748384https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eICijnr1k_I
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TC discord just banned AI images lmao.
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>>96772198Based and Righteous.
>>96772198Mike's probably had enough people pissing up his pipe for AI-projects I can't blame him.
>>96772198based, go pump your bubble somewhere else Chaim
>>96769126probably because only speds go on the internet and pretend they're nazis anymore. it's jarring to see retards so close up
>>96772198Mashallah!
>>96748219the problem with tc is that the setting inherently attracts religious people (mostly Christians because they don't take their faith seriously like Muslims and Jews) and religious people are fucking retardedreligious people love to debate stupid bullshit about made up nonsense (see thread) so tc ends up with a ton of ideological dweebs who want to force their shitty takes into the game. the religious people in the game are all blasphemers and heretics in one way or another which makes it doubly funny that people want to insert their ideology into such an unsavory setting. I don't sympathize with the writers who have to appease the morons who will meltdown if their faction isn't epic winners in every instance
>>96773474>christians don’t take their faith seriously>religious people are all retardedSo are people retarded for not taking the retarded thing seriously, or are they retarded because they DO take the retarded thing seriously?Your thoughts are tangled, my friend. Your mind is a confusing and scary place.On a brighter topic, has anyone here tried out the Great Hunger yet? I always wanted to play BG as a zombie horde, but I’m not too sure about the need to keep all the zombies next to the leader model.Especially since we can’t move them in groups.
What's the community and dev's general consensus on 3rd party proxies?Just feels really scummy to leech off a comparatively small developer, when they have their own models.
>>96773832You need to go back to school and learn literacy again. And this time don't drop out at 3rd grade. Again. Let me help.>Religious people are attracted to TC>>Of these Religious people most are Chrisitians>>>This is because they don't take their faith seriously enough>>>>Those who do take their faith seriously don't go on 4chan to write ass-blasted screeds on why their religion is the best>Religious people are retarded>>Personal experience
>>96773978>What's the community and dev's general consensus on 3rd party proxies?actively encouraged, literally anything goes as long as you use the right base size and don't sell 3rd party models based directly on official art
>>96773978The developers actively encourage it
>>96773474Don't feed the trolls.On the game end, I just had a game 12 (3 Way Dance) with my basic IS army, and goddamn, Grail and Heretics are fucking BRUTAL when their trains leave station.Neither elite heavy v Grail nor chaff heavy v Heretics availed. I was able to hold ground, even win on objectives (demo) v Heretics, but I have nothing on the pure pain either bring.That said, shooting and locking down units with lions was cash as fuck, but devoting 3+ units to bring down 1 was not a good exchange.>landed a lucky Down on a huntsman>dropped 3 lions on top of him>did the same with a praetorWe ruled that a Tough unit broke melee after a Remove result, but I forgot the official ruling on what happens when a Tough unit goes down in melee combat.
>>96770166You know what, that's his lore now, I call him Javier. Better hope he survives the first big fucking explosion he gets into because I'm invested in his sexy escapades
>>96774957By the Authority invested in Me as a chief Authority of 4chan, I command, by all Lords and Ladies that Bear Witness, that Javier shall roll 1s for no more or less than 5 attempts on his life.Anon, I Name Thee Javier's Keeper, and thusly command you to announce no less than 8 of Javier's glorious attempts at Martyrdom, lest you find forever disfavour with the Most High Dice Gods, and you fortune betray for for 100 games of any sort.In the name of M00t, dour Snacks, and holy Linetrap, I thus, charge, and you, obey. Blessings upon the Head and House of the Meek, who shall inherit the Blessed 4chan at the end of Free days.Bismillah.
Are there playable angels in the game. Or something with wings.
>>96775070Wings?Yes.Angels?Nonononononoo.Angels are flying WMDS in setting. Only the appearance of a true demon calls for an angel intervention, and in the only one in lore, there was 1 survivor.'Be Not Afraid' wasn't advice, it was a restriction on their own power.
>>96773978They encourage it, as long as the base sizes match up there's nothing stopping you from using whatever you like.
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>>96773978All I know is don't resell official 3d prints
>>96775120>and in the only one in lore, there was 1 survivor.Dingus, there are no angels running about because there is no direct angel or demonic stuff walking about due to the deal.>>96775070No no angelic things, there are winged communicants in lore but they aren't in game.>>96770910These artillery bitches got me in stitches
>>96775702>Dingus, there are no angels running about because there is no direct angel or demonic stuff walking about due to the deal.The covenant of hell binds demons, not angels. It's not a "you keep out then we keep out" kind of thing it is a "I suffer your existence only within these bounds" thing.
>>96775702I think anon is referring to a piece of writing about the sole survivor of an angel appearing on the battlefield. However I think it may not be 'canon' anymore?>>96776311My personal belief is, in the whole "earth is god's test" situation, devils appearing on earth directly is such staggering power that god no longer considers it remotely fair - so he would say "alright shows over, divine light now".
Do they plan on ever making books for this setting or is just going to be lore blurbs here and there on the main website?
>>96777830I mean we'll have the main rulebook in a couple months by the current timeline so that'll be a general repository for the lore
>>96777830There will be a rulebook which will be mainly filled with lore and art
>>96776679>earth is god's testThat's my read on the setting as well. I think that angel is the only time there's been direct, explicit, intervention from heaven in the great war. They've clearly gone with the new testament God, which means while humanity has His backing, they have to win things effectively by themselves. Trolls bring up IS as the golden child since they're supposedly so innocent hand have the wall, ignoring that they're what they'd call an NPC faction in 40k and just aren't as fleshed out. Plenty of horrible shit going on making them even worse than the Christians, including satanic sorcerery and chemical brainwashing. Not to mention the wall isn't God's creation by all accounts except what the IS themselves claim. For some reason these things just piss midwits off. I think it's a cool state of affairs.
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