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Kek I've been waiting for this thread
>>96666231How often do you wager these lads indulge in pussy?
>>96666391>>96666381This terrain isnt all that bad for ToW 2bhBut that balloonspam is fucking disgusting
>>96666520How's this?
>>96666583Why even play at this point?
>>96666381>>96666391Warhammer Troontasy should have stayed dead, 40k has always been superior
>>96666775>40k has always been superior
>>96666381>64 playerToW tournament >3 fantasy China armies>Places 1st, 2nd, 4thWhy does GW need to fuck their minor games with the making new armies OP shit.
>>96666873It doesn't really matter for TOW/HH because tournament organizers just set restrictions that usually get broad agreement at least on the national level, unlike the 40k/AoS crowd the more niche game communities self police and don't rely solely on official GW balance patches to " fix " the problem (I put fix in quotes because 40k has never been balanced even with the more rapid changes now, because that's the business model)
>>96666873Because GWs entire business model is selling toys, they don't give two fucks about "wargaming". They churn out rules just to sell more models, and they are in a constant state of unbalance so faggots will keep throwing out their old armies and buying new ones. They release a new unit or army and it's ALWAYS powerful because, you guessed it, their faggot customer base will throw them money to have the lastest OP toy. They release Cathay army, and make one single unit over powered, the $160 balloon. You just HAVE to have three of them in your army, but guess what? You can't just buy the balloon, you also have to buy the rest of the Cathay army too so that you can play the balloons! This isn't exactly a controversial opinion I'm posting, its an established business model and everyone knows it's what GW does, they don't even hide it.
>>96666583Homie looks hungry
>>96666873It isn't just new armies anon. There was an issue with Dwarf Gyro spam as well among other issues. They don't seem to have serious playtesting involved with the game. Which granted tends to be a problem with most of their games but unlike AoS, TOW is actually popular enough for it to be apparent because people actually play it.
>>96666775>arguing solid shit tastes better than runny shitNo matter which one's superior, you're still eating shit.
>>96666873>>96666953Keuleboyz were the 3rd edition starter army and were hot garbage until very recently. Shitmob were notoriously underpowered while being absurdly overcosted even by gw standards. I don't think it's as universal as you guys think.
>>96666231I'm all for shitting on GW but this stuff is at least painted.
>>96666381> Decent terrain (and a lot of it for WHFB)> BUT LETS ALLOW UNPAINTED ARMIES OF SLOPLiterally why
>>96666231 I make terrain for my local club. You wouldn't believe how dismayed I was when learned how modern 40k is played. We did a 40k terrain making day for a tournament and I brought all my stuff to make custom shit, only to find their idea of making terrain was dismantling their old ruined buildings and remaking them to fit GW tournament diagrams and using random junk to stick it all together. After a few months they then binned it all to buy MDF kits to be more official. These mfers will not touch anything that isn't tournament official and it drives me insane. They obsessively play on spray scanned wooden L shaped corners with big circles in the middle. I'm lucky Old World and Horus Heresy at least use custom terrain so I have something to fall back on.
How's this
>>96668162Is that glorious nipponese terrain folded over 1000 times?
>>96667613That’s so fucking grim man
>>96667613GW needs to change terrain rules somehow in 11th to encourage more terrain creativity. I love making terrain and dioramas, and the tendency of new players to not even see these things out in the wild makes me incredibly sad
Jesus Christ, imagine getting mogged by a fucking Marvel game
>>96667630who is this sexy beast?
>>96669114There is no change GW can make that will fix the actual issue which is tournament autism dictating that terrain must be minimal and symmetrical. Not to mention GW doesn't want actual creativity involved in the hobby anymore since that might give people verboten ideas that could lose them sales on their overpriced kits.
>>96666953The funny thing is this happens in EVERY hobby where the rules of the game aren't permanent, and people still deny it.
Ruins are the only terrain rule flexible enough to make 10th games actually tolerable. If you have not experienced this disappointment yet you are either not playing enough or blessed by an appropriate play group power level for flavorful terrain.You used to be able to play on tables from planet bowling ball to maximum foliage and get some semblance of playability out of it. But today you will be shot off the board in 1 turn so you need terrain rules that provide cover without inhibiting movement. Turns out true line of sight also makes all the fancy centerpiece and knights armies you keep pushing force terrain size to be above 8 inches to actually be relevant too, so nice going there. That is to say this is entirely a rules and balance issue GW cant be arsed to fix and not anything to do with some comp sweaty anti flavor agenda. Those sheep will follow whatever some league is pushing.
>>96666381May be it's perspective issue, but I don't see much L-shaped terrain
>>96669114More terrain means less space on the table for centrepiece, superheavy and horde units, which are essential for any pts format.
>>96666953Question: do you have to own a model to use it in a tourney, or can you just cut out a piece of paper of the right size and label what it is (like proxies in card games)? How about for your average non tournament group?
>>96669705Tournaments generally don't allow that, and definitely no 'official' ones.Your average group may vary, but I know I certainly wouldn't want to haul all my painted models somewhere just to play some fag with paper cut outs. Maybe once if he was testing something out and I was already there but literally never again.Frankly if this has to be explained or you even have to ask, consider playing Vidya instead
>>96667613>I brought all my stuff to make custom shit, only to find their idea of making terrain was dismantling their old ruined buildings and remaking them to fit GW tournament diagrams and using random junk to stick it all together. After a few months they then binned it all to buy MDF kits to be more official.
>>96669705Most permissive games are "miniature agnostic" meaning you can play with proxy minis.Warhammer is not and they demand official minis.Many tournaments allow unofficial miniatures.If you want to cheap out and buy em4 monopose dwarfs and Tehnolog ogres, or Victrix humans or Mantic zombies, nobody would really complain outside of strictly GW tourneys.As long as it's fucking painted of course.
>>96666381The spamming tournament scene of the fantasy TOW revival is vomit-inducing. Anyone new to Fantasy would think this is how it is supposed to be played, if you played like that in the past you would soon find you have no one to play against. They used to have joking White Dwarf articles, like the quest for the beardiest army. Now everyone thinks that is the correct way to play.
>>96669941they should do events where you don't win by winning.>how would that workno idea
>>96669972It's simple actually, Oldhammer events are just get-togethers
Local club "upgraded" its 40k terrainBefore they were just plywood pieces painted with the odd stencil on them
Like, what is this. What are you doing.
Is this what you dreamed of when you read White Dwarf for the first time???????
>>96669976Now that's the good shit.
>>96669319Yes, tournament brained players are a totally difference species. I was watching a video where some guy got a lifetime ban because his flying miniature was glued onto the flightstand at like an 87-degree angle instead of 90. These people can not handle fluffy narrative style terrain.
>>96668890My friends do not have cars and where I live the public transport just dies after certain hours.So my group prefers to play in the local store.The terrain is just lame L shap mdf. It just kill the joy of playing the game.Sure my home terrain is not excelent, but at least is painted and is not some cardboard with some L shaped unpainted mdf on top.
>>96666381That's one way to reuse toilet ballast balloons.
L-SHAPED TERRAIN IS GOOD FOR THE GAME AND ALL NARRATIVEFAGS ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BY GW DEATH SQUADS AND IT WILL BE A GOOD DAY FUCK YOU WHY ARE YOU BULLYING THE LADS FOR HAVING A GOOD TIME YOU JOYLESS FUCKS
>>96669409truest post ITT
>>96670358>I was watching a video where some guy got a lifetime ban because his flying miniature was glued onto the flightstand at like an 87-degree angle instead of 90.I'm sure you can substantiate your claims with a link.
>>96670051Grim
>>96666381This thread is about terrain, not unpainted models.
>>96669319The solution is to kill tournament players. LVO tournament is coming up. You know what to do.
at least they are gaming
>>96670410https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6005EkVDhmg&pp=ygUWTGlmZXRpbWUgYmFuIHdhcmhhbW1lcg%3D%3D
>>96670460gaming yes, wargaming no
>>96669976I really like those houses and colors
>>96670358Kek is that the one where the dude tipped his plane because at 90 degrees his opponent could engage his airplane in MELEE.. so he tipped it so it was 0.1mm too high to get "CHARGED", and was banned for modeling for advantage LMAO the absolute state
>>96670464> BTW, your flying units can be charged> BTW, if you fuck up the flying stand by a millimetre (or just model them so a fucking FLYING UNIT can't get charged in MELEE) you get bannedMost retarded things I've heard all day
>>96670614>places 3 unpainted buttplug balloons on the table
>>96669319Bro GW is the one who designed all these shitty symmetrical table layouts
>>96670493>>96670554The fact that air planes can be engaged in melee combat by infantry troops on the ground really tells you all you need to know about Warhammer 40k as a game
>>96670493Yea. And the crazy part is how the judge ruled one way at the table but for some reason was so autistic they went home and did experiments on their own to measure and then decided to reverse the ruling. Like imagine being a player in a setting where people that autistic and petty have any power. Thats part of why I don't play any newer editions. Anyone willing to play OOP rules is automatically more reasonable.
Can we finally admit that there's just too much fucking terrain in general nowadays? Everything has turned into a cityfight when just a couple of ruins and interesting features used to be perfectly sufficient
>>96671056Yes, or at least terrain rules are awful and while most playgroups play with no windows on the first floor of ruins itd led to two editions where melee armies are supreme. This is also what you get when you remove morale and routing mechanics from your game because compfags complained about it. Now the game is super lethal because otherwise, battlelines won't shift. And because the game is super lethal, it needs terrain all over the fucking place
>>96671078>literal tranime unprompted and unrelatedThanks for letting me know I can disregard your post.
>>96671056No, city fighting are based. L shaped cardboard randomly slapped down on the table with zero thought about what an actual street plan would look like is not a city fight, it's just low effort slop >>96671098Based. These people are genuinely sick in the head. A grown ass man posting sexualized cartoon children unprompted
>>96671098>tranimeThis is an anime website, predditorAnd way to prove him right, you comp fags are cancer
>>96671132Uh-oh, predditor melty I agree with you on the city fight stuff though
>>96671135>this is an anime website This is cope, there is an anime board to contain you pedos. Even if this was a website entirely devoted to anime, that wouldn't change the fact that liking anime as a grown man is pathetic and deranged
>>96671098You're welcome anon!
>>96671146Seething redditfugee newfag kek, this has always been an anime website, /a/ is just a concentration of it. Go back if you don't like it.
>>96671132Oh I don't mind cityfights at all, it's just what you say + this being the default table layout for the average game. >>96671078I really wish they just made addon rules and special army lists for the tourneyfags and made casual and narrative play the focus of mainline 40k again. I doubt I'll be playing anything other than older editions unless they do a full 180 on their game design priorities
KILL EVERY SINGLE TOURNAMENT PLAYER YOU SEE
>>96671056Nu-40k doesn't even fight in a city, they fight in a bizzaro symmetrical grid. They're fighting over a starcraft 2 map complete with resource extraction zones
>>96671144>>96671206>reddit Kek tranime fans are living in a false reality. Reddit is just as obsessed with anime, video games and porn as you are.
>>96671260not sure if bait or just retarded.
Jesus fucking Christ. Is this what 40k have become? I'm glad I got out before 7th ed dropped so I still have nice memories of it instead of this horrid cuckshit. Have some fucking self-respect you Stockholm Syndrome homos.
Stop shitting up the thread, post more bad boards.>>9667125540k is now a euro-style board game that resolves around tallying up points per turn, worker placement and economic competition instead of being an actual WARgame.
>>96671260I wouldn't know, I've been here longer than you've been alive and never visited reddit. You, on the other hand, seem to have first hand knowledge.
>>96671255At least SC2 maps, put some effort in the looks of their maps. They could easily make them bland as hell for the convenience of the tournament fags, but they do not do that.
>>96671135But I didn't say anything about anime, I specifically said tranime.
>>96671255It looks like they're fighting in a laser tag arena
>>96671296>They could easily make them bland as hell for the convenience of the tournament fags, but they do not do that.Pic completely unrelated, I assume?
Modern 40k is so fucking shit. How can GW be forced to change it back?
>>96670051I see your L-shaped terrain, but this, this is to even further beyond!
>>96671327Is a SC2 map for a tournament. I'm not expecting much, but is leagues better than >>96671286.Remember the guys playing the tournaments would prefer a map without decorations.Personally I prefer the BW maps, they try to make some environmental story with at least
>>96671293>bragging about being an old loser who still posts on 4chan and loves anime Ooopf..yikes!
>>96671335>How can GW be forced to change it back?Under gunpoint.
>>96671415Your seethe is delicious, little zoomy.>>96671428Simple, do not play at gw. Play 3rd, 4th, or 5th, at home or clubs, with friends. Have fun. Play narrative games. Have a campaign.
>>96671516>Play 3rd, 4th, or 5th, at home or clubs, with friends. Have fun. Play narrative games. Have a campaign.Doing any of these things will get you ostracized in today's 40k community. One guy got called a retard in my local club for suggesting a narrative campaign for example
>>96671335They cant, they're making more money than ever
>>96671564Guess I'm lucky, we've been enjoying playing 5th. Picrel, we didn't have a cloth to put over the boards this time sadly, and my Witchhunters are still majorly WIPwith some more sculpting needing doing on them, but it was a fun 1200 point game, with the Sisters securing the junction and purging the Necrons.
>>96671602Why 5th?It introduces a lot of the problems we currently see in modern 40k
>>96671638Such as?
>>96671647Wound spreading comes to mind and true line of sight
>>96671647Not him, but TLoS is the biggest
>>96671647removing the "winner tops" rules. no more buttsecks :(
>>96671680>>96671673Gotcha, yeah tlos is fucking garbage I have no idea how its survived in the rules for this long
>>96671673>>96671647On top of those, we also start to see the noticeable codex creep we are so used to see now.Because during 3rd/4th even meme rules like the GSC citadel journal could face later 3rd edition codex release without problems.It basically started the shift in mentality from the wargame simulation to something else.Mind you it is still totally fine, but you can start to see a lot of problems people bitch today in 5th, not entirely in the basic rulebook but in the codex
>>96671704Also remember 3rd and 4th are basically the same edition. So 40k was stuck with it for 10 years. The rest of 40k has been changing rules for the past 17 years. 6th lasted less than 2 years for fuck sake and 7th was stuck trying to fix the mess it brought to the game and even the then core of 7th was not terrible. HH is evidence the issue was not at the core rules of 7th but with the rest of the fucking edition.
>>96666381>>96666391>not even primedI'd be fucking embarrassed. I'd cancel the tournament, even
>>96666381i dont know what youre talking about, that terrain looks awesome
>>96671865Good thing I have a casual oldhammer gathering tomorrow, should be a nice detox.>Q: can I play with unpainted minis?>A: no, FPA only; painted, based, finished. Unpainted stuff stays in storage. We're sorry we even had to answer this question.
>>96667613Take the Necromunda-pill (or the mordheim tablet) anon, leave the 40keks to their L-shaped mdf
>>96670639>The fact that aircraft are actually on the table in a 28mm game tells you all you need to know about Warhammer 40kFixed
>>96669732>>96669928i'm just a tourist that was curiousi value game mechanics above all elsewhen it comes to hardcore wargaming, i imagine strategy and tactics is what drives interest, like how kreigsspiel developed out of a desire to better train officersseems like wh40k is more of a model hobby activity with game dressing
>>96670639>>96670493>>96670554>>96670667They actually used to only be able to get charged by flying units in 8th and 9th so dudes with jetpacks could charge take a whack at them and then the plane would be able to ram them with melee attacks and then next turn the plane would be forced to move its minimum movement or stall and be destroyed and planes could retreat from melee and still shoot so it wasn't some cheesy way to kill them. 10th basically just turned them into any other unit
>>96671890>We're sorry we even had to answer this question.reading that line hit like morphine
>>96671952>wh40k is more of a model hobby activity with game dressingthe older game was more like an imagination driven movie battle using magic and superpowered guns and power swords. nowadays I have no idea why people still play it.
>>96666381>>96666391>allowing this shitthe most permissive I’ve seen was counting primed models as “painted” to hopefully spur some of these lazy fucks to paint some of their shit. And because it would because it would be unfair to half the lazy fucks cause the other half of the local lazy fucks paid to have theirs painted.
>>96671564>One guy got called a retard in my local club for suggesting a narrative campaign for exampleWarmachine comp CHADS run 40k now, seethe all you want
>>96672113Permitting primed models just encourages them to keep doing it, it doesn't encourage them to paint
>>9667195240k started more simulationist but later became a tabletop MOBA. It retains the same amount of tactics but lost any faux-historical milieux
>>96671906or the ash wastes suppository if you’re real hardcore
>>96672171I didn’t say it was a good system but it at least pretended to care. and wasnt as dead inside as just letting grey plastic in, it’s pretty much there but just barely holding on.
>>96671564There is a guy in /wfg/ that used to post narrative battles with dense hand made terrain and fully painted historical proxy models but it made the thread absolutely rage because he was using non standard GW stuff, so he eventually just stopped posting. When he posted a pic of one of his games it derailed the entire general. Nowadays /wfg/ is all stuff like this >>96666583guys using empty bases as troops and literally zero terrain. It really seems like Warhammer players are actively hostile towards any actual effort or hobbying that isn't corporate approved
>>96672113>>96672190>if you don't allow greytide to play at your tournament you literally will have no players left to compete The absolute state of modern Warhammer
>>96672199>There is a guy in /wfg/ that used to post narrative battles with dense hand made terrain and fully painted historical proxy models but it made the thread absolutely rage because he was using non standard GW stuff, so he eventually just stopped posting. When he posted a pic of one of his games it derailed the entire general.What is wrong with warhammer troontasy players?
>>96672239>>96672199No he didn't. He shitposted in the threads all day and baited people.Also samefag
>>96672262>samefagYou're pathetic
>>96669409Basically this. The thread is just no-games secondaries whining as usual.
>>96672291>hmph, at least I play games, unlike these no games!!The game:
>>96672291>10e's dogshit looking tables are great because they are literally the only way to play 10e!Maybe 10e is dogshit then
>>96670214I feel like kitchentable-hammer/floor-hammer is fundamentally different than tournament slop.
>>96669409This is exactly what I was saying anon >>96669319
>>96672199Fuck off, perryfag. Nobody likes you.
>>96672199>that used to post narrative battlesnonsense. I don't know what game he was playing but it wasn't warhammer. Some of his figures had round bases, and all we saw was two "empire" armies fighting. He always posted the same battle pictures for easy (You).
>>96672291Better to play other wargames than play 10th edition, anon.
Victrix makes amazing 12mm WW2 models. Does anyone company make modern warfare tanks and troops in 12mm plastic? It's such a shame it's WW2, it's so overdone
>>96672199>perryfag used to post narrative battlesGood one.
>>96667613I had a very similar thing happen to my group. I both scratch built and bought some terrain for the store group, and a mat as well. Everyone seemed excited for a few days then suddenly the next week I see pictures posted up in the store discord and everyone is back to playing MDF ruins and even put fucking masking tape all over the new mat to mark out deployment zones and "lanes" on the table.It made me realize that it wasn't GW or the rules that was the problem here, it is the players themselves who for some reason genuinely like these ugly ass setups
>>96672291Unfortunately not true. 10e is absolute shit and the fact this terrain is a symptom of it is not the “ownage” you seem to think it is.
>>96671638Friend who plays Grey Knights loves Caldor Draigo, and he's not in the earlier 'dex apparently. I don't care, my codex does 3rd to 5th. Other friend had 5th edition codexes already, it was obvious really.
>>96672490Does base shape really affect gameplay so much that it matters? I don't see how it would
>>96672911>>96672490It's not that. Iirc that's perryfaggot, also known as billhooksanon from /awg/. The guy doesn't play, he spams the same minis in setup "battle scenes" all the time, and has a raging hard on for the most shittiest of systems.
Oldhammer is king
>>96672926What's wrong with Billhooks? We play it in my hist gaming group occasionally and we love it
Elegance.
>>96673969Beautiful, now THAT makes me want to head down to the LGS and play!
>>96673969Ew.
>>96673969I'd rather play on planet bowling ball than this monstrosity.
>>96673969i don't play wh40k, what are the circles for?
>>96673969i don't play wh40k, what are all the circular pads for?
>>96674399>>96674406Objective markersIn like 4th edition you'd make a 25-40mm base with an ammo dump or statue or something, and just use a tape measure to see if you were within distance of the objective marker. And tbf GW have made a couple of different boxes of these even recently.Now these tournament freaks use ugly pie plates so there's no disputes over such things.
>>96674460
>mfw my Bolt Action table that tried to emulate the mostly featureless western desert and i considered not great is still better than the average modern 40k table
>>96674460thanks. game spergs gonna sperg, i suppose
>>96674399>>96674406Warhammer no longer tries to simulate warfare on the tabletop, it has become a "T-Sport" and so they have video game style zones to gain "points" instead of actual objectives you'd expect to see on a battlefield
>>96674537Can this also be an objective markers thread? I've got some really cool ones!
>>96672199Lol no, people shat on him because he didn't actually play warhammer fantasy. All his "battles" (dioramas) were empire vs empire, coincidentally devoid of any fantasy elements, on round bases and in formations that haven't been used for like three decades. That his shit was third party was the least of his problems. If that wasn't clear enough they were all painted in wars of the roses historical colours, with accurate heraldry and all. If he just posted in the historicals thread noone would care since his shit was all competently done, but he just had to shit up the fantasy thread for god knows what reason. Maybe it's as simple as him just wanting attention.
>>96674488you could add a couple sandstone buildings to make it a bit more populated maybe. or even just simple sand dunes and artillery craters so you can have the terrain be more dynamic while also keeping the barren desert theme
>>96674562NTA but don't De Bellis games mog warhammer fantasy anyway
>>96674643Literally every single rank and flank games mogs WHF. The only reason to play TOW if if you simply HAVE to play a Games Workshop game
>>96674643Arguably, but just post your shit in the appropriate thread.
>>96674562sounds based ngl, maybe youre the problem
>>96674562>WOTR heraldry His Perry troops to my memory were >Black/yellow (averland)>blue/white (middenland)>red/black (Sylvania) >red/blue (Altdorf) There is nothing to suggest he didn't paint them in wh fantasy colours
>>96672926>also known as billhooksanonThat would explain the "schizo content".
>>96672926>>96674876I'm the Billhooks fan/Oathmark hater and I've never posted in/wfg/ in my entire life. Is everyone you disagree with the same person?
>>96674818Strange, I don't recall altdorf using the fleur-de-lis quartered with the three lions. What a coincidence.
>>96669976tears in my eyesit's beautiful
>>96674921Bretonnia
>>96674992Genuinely why do you insist on this song and dance? I'm actually curious.
>>96672288And you are a faggot.
>>96675010I'm not the anon you think I am, I'm just playing devil's advocate
>>96674557Urge...to kill...rising
>>96674473>>96674460I think I'm going to try to strike a happy medium and print up some objective pads made to look like stone/metal and place sector imperialis stuff on the center
>>96671056The terrain is a necessity in current 40k because of how retardedly lethal the game has become. The designers of 40k have fucked themselves into a design corner that they can't get out of without dramatically overhauling the entire game.
>>96672199Perrynigger consider suicide
>>96675184I MOG you
Completed that, a bit of plasticard fell during transport, but overall, it did its work on the table.
>>96666637>Why even play at this point?
>>96666231we ball!
>>96675069stop looking at chinese cartoons and get back to work servitor
>>96671146>"liking anime as a grown man is pathetic and deranged">plays with plastic army men
Posting some terrain pieces I made to not make this thread sadder than it is.
>>96676361Plastic army men is a refined hobby for gentlemenJapanese children’s cartoons turn you into a transvestite
>>96676230are you the ebay prepainted terrain guy, or did you buy from him? I literally saw those pieces with the exact same scheme on there last night
>>96669976Spike trees. Utterly SOVLFUL
>>96672199>that used to post narrative battlesStaged battles for photos, perryfaggot didn't play with other people.
>>96676658Know the difference, it could save your life.jpeg
>>96666775Here's what a Warhammer CHADtasy "Gate Crasher" looks like in White Dwarf. What do 40gay's look like again?
>>96676813Oh my science y'all, it's the faggot buttsex chapter!
>>96669976Vgh... fvcking sovl
>>96672178I take Man O' War up the ass....without any lube.
>>96674557>40k>loreMy sides
I don't get how people enjoy this sort of L-shaped shit. I love painting up terrain for games. Having a thematic, terrain heavy board is awesome to me and it drives me nuts that people accept L-shapeafication!
We didn't bully tournament players hard enough
>>96673350Nothing, until one person starts schizo posting about how it's a better fantasy game than actual fantasy games and attacking anyone not playing it.>>96674902Oh hey cunt, how's the move going? Seen any little green snakes yet?
>>96674557Holy sloppa
>>96666799thats a man.
>>96674557I thought modern 40k couldn't get more soulless.I was wrong.
bad looking? sure. no one has ever claimed tourney boards look better than some narrative board with bespoke terrain. better gaming? no. tournament balanced terrain will always provide the better gameplay experience and gameplay is king. these are games. competitive games. balance matters. absolutely no one wants to play in a game where they are bound to get trounced purely because the terrain decided the game before it even began
>>96677349>balance mattersok but what does this have to do with 40k.
>>96677412Timmy and Byron suck up all the fun out of the game in the name of balance, duh
>>96676939Epic, anon. Looks awesome
what actually changed in the rule that requires all the los blocking walls all of a sudden? aside from board sizes getting tiny thats much is obviouswas range and damage just that much lower back then?
>>96677349Nigga actually typed this shit out with a serious face and pressed Post
>>96677738there were practically no rerolls and cover gave an invuln-like save rather than reducing AP. also armor saves were they either defeat the armor or they dont. bolters could punch through flak armor for example which would get no save, but anything better gets to roll the save at full effect. so with 8th-9th armor had little effect because they gave everything an armor piercing value typically reducing saves by 1 or more. eventually they made the armor of contempt rule for space marines and other power armor factions which was a shitty bandaid but still did its job. basically, yes the game was less lethal in theory back then. there were some moldbreakers that would come up but the game was designed to be less lethal.
>>96677738nothing really changed its just a result of YGIG turn order thats been a blight on this game since its inception
>>96666637personally I would much rather look at some nice 2d terrain stand-in cards than at some awful 3d unpainted plywood shit that's in the rest of the thread. >>96676939Is that supposed to be a pool of water? I've seen shitty ponds outside warehouses that were more aesthetically pleasing
>>96677762I've been playing 3.5 a lot lately (4th rulebook with 3rd codex) and even sisters of battle that are T3 W1 Sv3+ required some dedicated shooting to bring down some random 5 girl squad out in the open.If you got really unlucky you could waste half of your army's shooting trying to kill 5 girls.You need something with AP 3 or better to reliably remove sv3+ on older editions otherwise you are chasing the failed saves by sheer volume of fire.
>>96677786Post your painted terrain and armies then, cuntbag.
>>96677786>Given 3 hours to post a single pic of his own terrain/models>Doesn'tHA! Bitch
>>96671936Yeah, airplanes don't fit into 28 mm games. Even im smaller scales they are somewhat problematicI don't really care through, they're cool
>>96679203Bolt Action and other historical games do airplanes well where they are on the table for a single turn while they do a strafing run and then they disappear. AA guns have a chance to shoot them down during their strafe.
>>96671680>>9667170440k has never been tlos
I've been out of the hobby for about 12-14 years and looking at all the stuff that's changed, specifically the stuff that I think has changed for the worst, then the state of terrain and gaming boards is probably the thing that I'm most horrified at.One of the things that got me into the hobby in the first place was the terrain. The first issue of White Dwarf I ever bought was the Australian edition of #285, which came out the month after the "new" plastic Cadia's, Beastmen and the Lord of the Rings Shadow and Flame supplement, had been released. It contained guides on how to build a Cadian deffence line, a Beastmen Herdstone and a LotR Barrow.It also had pictures of large custom made gaming boards at stores in Hong Kong and Singapore that were Helms Deep (Singapore) and a combined Fantasy and 40 board separated by a massive warp gate (Hong Kong).
>>96671952>kriegspiel>strategy>the DM just decides random bullshit and who won on a whimYeah, uh...
>>96677844Not that anyone else in the thread will understand this, but this is the reason why the game has become more lethal. Nobody wants to spend half the game shooting at each other for three hours doing nothing. 10th edition is a game where lethality is relatively high and that encourages players to focus on mobility and positioning.L-Shaped terrain, while aesthetically unappealing, encourages movement and aggressive play rather than long range shooting - it also makes moving melee units and infantry much easier than dealing with full sized buildings.A lot of the examples of "good" boards in this thread are basically just shooting galleries; one side shoots, moves up slowly, and then rinse and repeat. They're fine for sitting and chilling and chatting, but awful for actually playing an interesting game.
>>96679814>Nobody wants toSpeak for yourself, and stick with 10th where you belong.
>>96679814>movement and positioning
>>96679814>10th edition is a game where lethality is relatively high and that encourages players to focus on mobility and positioning.lol, lmaoRushing towards the magic circles and standing still all game with ~80% of your army to maximise your score while the remaining 20% desperately tries to make contact with the opposing 20%'ers in a way that lets you trigger you megadoombuffaurakeywordstack trap card dominoes before they do is not "movement and positioning", you colossal faggoid.
>>96680129Honestly, I'll roll my statement back on that; If you want that kind of gameplay, that's fine, but I don't personally find it very engaging outside of an extremely casual and close-knit environment - And at that point, it's pretty much just an excuse to shoot the shit and hang out with people.>>96680291This is actually a great example, by the by, of why 10th edition is better than 8th and 9th. The photo you included is directly from 8th edition I believe, where you could bring multiple basilisks and just park them in the back of the map. With the 10th edition functions, you can actually never field that many basilisks in a regular game. It is also far less effective; the way ruins work makes indirect fire far worse. In reality, you want to be moving your tank so they can actually see what they're shooting at so that you can use your full ballistic skill. >>96680324Putting aside the fact that 90% of what you just said was useless buzzwords, you clearly haven't actually played 10th edition. Most units on the board are going to be moving - or they're going to be in reserve waiting to deep strike. Typically, If a unit is out of cover it's going to get shot at or charged and probably die - So you have to plan on what you're willing to expose in a given turn to score or kill while also setting up for future turns.Is it a perfect military simulation? No not really. But it is a fun game in my opinion and something you can actually engage with in a strategic fashion.
>>96666391All the time, he haven't much time over for assembling and painting his models.
>>96666583I feel like fantasy is a bad example because open fields is a perfectly reasonable place for a pitched, medieval-style battle with big formations to take place. Is shooting such a big problem in the sword & sorcery game that every table needs to look like ye olde Stalingrad?
>>96679814We understand that 10th edition sucks, yes.
>>96680493It's not, because the same argument can be make for historical rank and flank games, which usually use a much higher model count, and they don't play on flat empty planes
>>96680734Now, that game of Fantasy that was shown earlier is tragic for many reasons. However, you shouldn't really compare the idea of a 'standard' game of Warhammer Fantasy played on a 6'x4' to a show game that appears to be being played on something approaching an 16'x8' (or even 20'). You'd be better off comparing that Show table to something from BOYL or the like.I've seen plenty of historical games played on pretty rubbish tables. Is the standard generally better than most Warhams tables? Yes, but in some cases it's not by *that* much.
It's mainline games.Look at what people play things like Necromunda or Warcry or Mordheim on
>>96680734But there are plenty of historical examples of ancient and medieval armies fighting on what is, basically, a big open field.
>>96672984if you told me this was AI art i'd believe you. It's such a chaotic mess of conversions and models i cant place. I like it.
>>96677349>gameplay is kinglol, lmao even
>>96666775The irony
>>96681027Their ancient systems couldn't handle rendering all the terrain, hence the flat field and simple backdrop. The technological progress made it obsolete.
>>96680458My nigga, we used to have this thing called "morale" and when units took heavy losses they had to make a "moral check" and if this failed they fell back and kept falling back till they rallied. If they took too many casualties then rallying became impossible.Games where about mobility, taking key points, and angling to focus the killy of your army on a portion of the foe, whilst avoiding the sane fate yourself. Boards where asymmetrical and provided incentive to control tactically vital points. Perhaps find a set of 4th or 5th edition rules and set up a narrative, imbalanced, table, and try it yourself.
>>96676816That troon didn't even need to paint them since he used primaris marines. They're already the gayest fucking thing around nowadays
Anyone got the old cityfight book?
>>96670214Soul of the Second Variety
https://files.catbox.moe/6cqcrh.pdf>>96682200
>>96680734god that is gorgeous. wish I had enough time and energy to put something like this together.
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>>96671952I play historicals and don't play 40k but this is such fart huffing commentary when loads of /hwg/ uses a lot of abstraction and gamey elements. If wargaming is how you engage with historical enquiry primarily, you fucked up lol
>>96682664>>96682664>>96682664It just takes time. People will have twenty projects on the go and chase new hotness, but there is always some old British guy in a shed just steadily pottering away on his Italian Wars project.
>>96682764yeah, I wish I had a shed to put all my autism in. I hardly have enough room in my apartment for my painting shit and a few dozen miniatures. nevermind all the other shit I own and hobbies I have.
>>96677268No, sir. That's a proud Woman Of Warhammer or a WOW as we call them in our gender studies.
>>96679699>the staff in our Mong Kok store........so drop in to the Mong Kok store and try it out.kek
>>96666583Having lived in a micro-partment, I'm honestly fine with flat terrain. Hell, I'm fine with MDF because it can be disassembled- but the bases only thing is too much for me.>Also that river.
>>96679814>Nobody wants to spend half the game shooting at each other for three hours doing nothingBecause in the example I give it was the worst case scenario.My opponent refused to used his AP3 weapons on the sisters and instead used them on the rhinos. The situation happen due to skill issue.40k used to be a wargame. So you didn't build tournament list you build an army for the opponent you expect to face.You didn't used battle cannon shots on tank when you still had lascannons or autocannons shots unused.Also position was essential in older editions you would know this if you actually played a wargame and not the table top esport wannabe that is 10th
>>96668162Did Lars von Trier make this
>>96676709Naw I bought from him, he sells out his pieces fast because they are cheap and look nice.
>>96671367>40k players bitch and moan about painted minis>Unironically play with terrain that looks like thisI wish I could send every 40k player back in time to the Tokyo subway system on March 20th, 1995.
>>96673969KINO SOVL
>>96673969VGH...THE ELDVR FORCE FIELDS...NVRRVTIVE, FORGED...
Holy shit I love these threads LMAO if you actually play this shit game I think so little of you
>>96677349If you're looking for a serious, balanced game to be competitive in, then you're actually a fucking retard if you're playing any edition 40k. You should legitimately blow your brains out before you risk polluting the gene pool.
>>96669511I mean they upped the base sizes while also shrinking the table sizes and including superheavies. It was bound to cause some issues, feels like just letting some vehicles move through terrain is reasonable as a fix (I have a massive dozer blade and a demolisher cannon, why can't I smash down a 5 foot wall?)
>>96671367Anon, you have a moral duty to absolutely abuse the line of sight rules.
>>96670667Flying units getting charged isn't even the issue, it's the fact that a judge can make an official ruling at a tournament then at a later point in time make a different official ruling using a recreation of the issue based on said judge's personal assumptions and penalize a player for it.
>>96672205The smart thing to do is mechanically penalize players for unpainted models.
>>96669941Wrong. That's how everyone played back in the day too.
>>96672560No, it's the rules. The game is horribly imbalanced if you play on fields with interesting-looking terrain. You need those l-shaped ruins to hide units from the oppressive long-range shooting. Always blame GW, not the players.
>>96685627Could easily be remedied by playing an earlier version and not treating 40k like a live-service game, alas, the modern 40k player cannot do this for some reason
>>96685973You're still trying to blame the players. You have a corporate cuck attitude.
>>96686051Players chose to accept shit. If I saw a restaurant that sold horse manure on a plate as fine dining experience, and people bought that literal crap, I'd say they all are sickos. Both are to blame.
>>96686066Players do not have control over what rules GW writes.
>>96672199Nah, that dude was a nogames shutin who would post pics of his perry miniatures, and would shit up the thread with off-topic posts of boards that just didn't work with the rules of WHF. When asked what rules he was using he just wouldn't respond and would just post more pics of his non-WHF minis.
>>96686341Yeah, he specifically was mad people were playin WHF and not... something. I don't know what game it was because it was clear he was a nogames shutin.
>>96686407Nervermind the Billhooks/Billhooks Fantasia? He probably posted the same pictures several dozen times in /awg/ and /hwg/.
Anyone in here play WHF on TTS?
>>96686051I am blaming the players yes, because a better product already exists from the same company but they refuse to indulge in it because its not "current".Only wanting to play the latest edition because youre a tourneyfag is retarded, only wanting to play it and not even being a tourneyfag is on a whole other level of retardism
>>96686075But they have complete control over what they choose to consoom
>>96686394>>96686407Kek sounds like a master shitposter, what a lad
I feel like someone is yearning for this, in this very thread.https://files.catbox.moe/drxrl7.pdf
>>96677349This is the typical mindset of the Tacticslet. They believe they are "competitive" players, but in reality they're just pathetic babies who want to play a random number simulator - a player with an *actual* competitive mindset welcomes the challenge of overcoming the odds with their own brilliance and the variety of having to apply your learned skill over a variety of battlescapes.
>>96681923Don't bother bud, anyone who can genuinely believe 10th is a tactical, movement-focused system is beyond reason or help.
>>96687353always a treatRemember guys, the game is what you make it. Have a small regular gaming group and make the terrain yourself. I've had far more fun with friends than trying to drive to tournaments, get hotels, and play 40k with current tournament terrain>>96679814It's supposed to look aesthetic and you want a spectacle to behold. They need to dramatically dump the lethality down in 11th. >>96679699I got into the hobby from seeing the terrain tables at the local GW.
>>96677349>gameplay is kingStop your wrongspeak no models. What an absolute loser
>>96671376for some reason SC1 maps are much more appealing to mein SC2 they feel like abstract geometry, a set of connected fields, it's like the decorative parts don't even registerin SC1 I feel like I'm in an actual jungle or space platformSC1 is more tactile somehow, but fuck if I can explain why
>>96675123>they can't get out of without dramatically overhauling the entire gamedon't they regularly overhaul the entire game to keep selling codexes?
