How would you give each of these magic foci a unique trait like the differences between a sword, axe, and club?
>>96669621game?
>>96669621Go look at 4e D&D for that short of stuff if you want inspiration.
>>96669621>Wand Fast and cheap casting but only for a few low level spells and one at a time. Think like a Pistol one shot at time but fast.>RodCan cast more spells and at a higher level than a wand not as fast but is more powerful. Think like a hunting rifle.>StaffCan cast even stronger spells than the rod or staff depending on how the staff the same amount but faster. Think like a automatic rifle (AR/AK)>CrystalCan multicast small level spells faster than any of the others though only one spell at a time. Think like a shotgun.>OrbMeant for higher level and more long range spells. Higher cast time but stronger. Think more like a sniper rifle or mortar.
>>96669715so, how's it feel to get no replies? you really should be able to recognize a single sentence non-topic fire and forget slide thread by now, the board is flooded with them
>Wand: accuracy bonuses to attack spells>Orb: bonus to control spells>Staff: bonuses to defensive spells, also you can bonk people with it>Crystal: bonus to illusion spells>rod: bonuses to demonic spells
>>96669882You did. Plus I don't care if no one did
>>96669621I wouldn't, I'd remove their requirement as an arcane focus.
How I would do that depends on the game, and if there had been any indication that a human being interested in this topic asked the question, I might have elaborated a little on that.
>>96669715Best answer desu.
>>96669621They all look like gay's butt toys.
>>96670178Everything can be a gay's butt toy with enough creativity.
>>96670041>Plus I don't care if no one didNot him, but this attitude is why this place sucks now. You don't care if you're impotently pissing in the wind and no one will engage, it's just noise. But if you had more discretion and self-control, you'd be able to detect when a thread is a shitpost by mods/content-scraping for bots, and refuse to reply as your aim is engagement rather than empty-head screaming like a retarded goat.
>>96671618 Why do you think I give a shit?
>>96669621>A picture distinguishing rods, staves and wands>Rescales each item to be the same sizeWhat kinda moron drew this?
>>96669621Do you maybe wanna participate a bit yourself? We can start small, just think a little out loud on what crystals should do.
>>96669621Wand/rods - They are redundant and no reason to count them as separate. That said, they are used primarily for simple forms of magic especially magic used for attacking and killing someone in battle and is carried alongside other weapons like swords or whatever the caster/warrior chooses to use.Staves - Used as a foci for complex forms of magic but can be used as a battle weapon itself depending upon its constructionCrystals - Not a casting medium but a storage device for magical energies, often used as a way for casters to store excess energy for later use or as a grenade.Orbs - A psychic medium to aid in telepathic communion
>>96671783Because you're here, posting in obvious bot threads, and you post because you're clearly desperate for validation, just lying to us as if it's not blindingly obvious about it. Don't be embarrassed you made a mistake, be embarrassed that you continue to defend it rather than learning from it.
>>96672747NTAWhat's the point of bot threads if they're not shilling something?Never understood what the point is.
>>96672747Go suck off a shotgun. Or choke on a crystal, as it were.>>96669715Neat but everything being a gun analogy feels reductive. How are staves, orbs, et cetera used in classic fantasy? Tolkien has orbs used as advanced divination tools, staffs are... well, to be frank I'm not sure what, aside from the fact that every wizard has one, but they don't really seem integral to what little magic we see used.
>>96671900No, give me engagement
>>96672747It's not a mistake, I'm intentionally bumping bot threads. Dumbass.
>>96672838What are you talking about? Gandalf uses his staff every time he does magic.
>>96672823It depends. Sometimes it's to make it seem like this board is alive, sometimes it's to try to steal what little creativity is left in this place (there's a few really shitty double-digit YT channels that do this), sometimes it's to scrape content for AI training. If you spend long enough around here, you can spot them easily, they're usually pointless and short OPs asking for stuff, but the OP never contributes unless it's inane bumping to keep it "alive", and will likely sit around for days longer than it should.These retards are perfect examples of it:>>96672838>>96672855
>>96672848That's a bit too sudden, but sure...
>>96672890bump :)
>>96672871Overt magic in LOTR is damn near nonexistent, and what there is seems to be accomplished regardless of whether there's a staff or not, with the sole exception of breaking Saruman's, which does... something to him. Off the top of my head I can only think of making the river flood, chasing off the nazgul, and what saruman did with the avalanche as what we'd think of as 'magic', aside from knowing how gunpowder works (fireworks, explosives at helm's deep) and blowing smoke into funky rings.If you just look at the staff as a generic focus, it fits, but that's boring. They don't specialize in anything, they're sorta just there.
>>96672979When Gandalf created light he used his staff. When he cast out Saruman he used his staff. Grima didn't want him to have his staff around Theoden. Seems like staffs are pretty significant for magic users.
>>96673067Yeah, hence>If you just look at the staff as a generic focus, it fits, but that's boring. They don't specialize in anything, they're sorta just there.
>>96671618>when a thread is a shitpost by mods/content-scraping for botsThat's pretty much 90% of non-generals.
Why would you care if someone stole your shitpost and posted o xitter? If your posts are so precious, go to xitter yourself and make "content" there.
>>96673067The Istari are normally supposed to limit their impact on mortal affairs by taking human form and only learning and wielding powers that a wise human could. But their staffs appear to be something they brought with them from the Undying Lands, maintaining their connection to their original essence.Saruman's is his symbol of office, and Gandalf stripped him of much of his power by breaking it.
>>96669621You already have a thread, you didn't need to make another one.
>>96673094No, not hence that at all.
>>96674248Anon, the question was "what do these foci do in classical fantasy?" Orbs are a parallel to palantir, and thus divination. Staffs in LOTR have no particular association to a specific category of magic. They're just a way to get the magic out of the guy wielding them. Hence, generic boring focus. Hence, to figure out an association for staves, one would need to look elsewhere.Do you normally have this much trouble following along?
>>96674328Do you? Clueless fuckin nigger lol
>>96674355Here's your (You)
>>96674374You lose :)
>>96669621in daggerheart those are magic weapons and they each have>different adagame amounts>different special effects>different ranges
>>96669621Wand are base, no effects. Crystals add difficulty to resist at the cost of damage. Rods add a little bonus damage. Orbs add range. Staffs are basically rods plus crystals at the cost of taking up both hands. This only affects the lowest of spells. Stronger spells require enchanted gear.
>>96672838Well, I was being lazy and thought guns would the best way for people to get the idea of the style of "combat magic" they use. Wanted to do something to make each one a combat option over making orbs just for divination and all.
Arcane Grimoire
>>96669621>WandSpell attacks (melee or ranged) ignore 1/2 cover, and treat 3/4 as if it were 1/2 cover>RodSpells that can be moved as a bonus action can be instead moved as a free action>staffspells that target and deal damage to a single creature with a [specific] saving throw have their damage die size increased by 1 to a maximum of 8>Orbspells whose area style is a circle (not sphere, cone, or cylinder) with a radius of 10ft or less have their radius increased to 10ft. This size is increased by 5ft for +1/+2/+3 orb focui>crystalTransmuted metamagic twice/long rest. An additional use is granted if a +1 focus, 2 additional uses as a +2 focus, and unlimited uses as a +3 focusFocui can only affect cantrips and spells of 1st level or lower>+1 focusaffect spells of 2nd and 3rd level>+2 focusaffect spells of 4th and 5th level>+3 focusaffect 6th level spells>Druidic FocusCan be crafted by a druid by spending 8 hours channeling nature through the sprig. Each hour requires a successful DC 10 concentration check to successfully craft, otherwise the material is destroyed. Yew wands, Wooden staves, and Sprig of mistletoe +1/+2/+3 can be crafted at 5th, 11th, and 17th level respectively>Spring of mistletoeTransmuted metamagic PB/long rest>Spring of mistletoe +1Transmuted or seeking metamagic PB/long rest>Spring of mistletoe +2Transmuted, seeking, or quickened metamagic PB/long rest>Spring of mistletoe +3Transmuted, seeking, quickened, or heightened metamagic PB/long restretarded untested ramblings of a guy who 90% of the time plays martials
>>96676555I cast Reveal Faggot.https://reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1m1pnnd/artcomm_phineas_gavran_wizard_apprentice_by/
>>96669621>wandstick to cane (depends on length)>rodcane, club, or mace (depends on form and weight distribution)>staffstaff (singlestick to quarterstaff, depends on length)>crystal, orbtreat as a stone (well, can be thrown, see the Palantir in Lord of the Rings)Have fun in melee.
>>96669621
OP is a faggot from Reddit.
>>96672823Do you know what slide threads are? Are you aware of their concepts and purpose?
>>96672925kek
>>96676555How can one P*ckee display such consistently terrible taste
>>96669715>Think like a Pistol one shot at time but fast.>Think like a hunting rifle.>Think like a automatic rifle (AR/AK)unrelated but i was recently thinking I'd like to model spellcasting after primitive cannons. In terms of the cast speed (loading and prepping) and in terms of being less maneuverable or even immobile as you are concentrating on casting the spell, I think it's a fair compromise for the potential power of magic. Time should be a factor and spellcasting should be a deliberate, semi vulnerable action.
>>96669621It's entirely up to the player to describe how they wig out in unique ways while casting.If they can't describe lightning shooting out of the orb, they probably shouldn't be choosing the nerd class.
Staff
>>96679582What's wrong with Arcane Grimoires?
>>96669652Not OP, but why 4e specifically? I mean, it’s better than 5e, obviously lol, but still.
>>96683547I'd like to know as well please.
>>96669621What about other focus items like rings, talismans, gauntlets, or circlets, etc.? For instance maybe with rings they might be weaker/specialized but you can more easily use multiple rings at once and it’s harder to disarm you? Or maybe they can link wearers together.
>>96669621The length of the foci acts as a range multiplier for the caster. Think it being equivalent to an antenna, or the barrel of a gun: the further away you are trying to project your power, the bigger you needA handheld thing like an orb or a crystal is fine if you are casting a spell that only affects yourself, or something you can physically touch. Healing magic, various kinds of charms and buffs, that sort of thing. Such a simple foci has the advantage of being small and easy to carry, so there's rarely an excuse not to have one of them on hand just because it fits in a pocket easy even if it can't do everything. nobody wants to have to go all the way back upstairs to fetch their staff just to cast a cantripWands are lightweight, short range spell tools. They usually top out at 10 or 15 feet, which is enough to handle most situations but if you need to do long range stuff it won't do the trickRods are, essentially, heavier wands and thus get a lot of different purposes lumped together under one general category. Some rods are actually designed for slightly longer range work than normal, some rods are literally just wands that have been reinforced so that you can smack people with them without breaking it. If you are trying to customize or supe-up your wand, it probably counts as a rod. As a result while basic wands are largely interchangeable in effect even if they look different to each other, rods have a lot of mechanical varianceStaffs are the heavy duty magic caster tools, able to swing magic for a long ways away. They are the high end real deal, and as a result wizards with a staff are treated with the same caution or mistrust as you would have for someone who is walking around town carrying a rifle. Even if its legal, you probably think that guy is a dangerous loon. Staffs have the downsides of being obvious, cumbersome, and more difficult to aim at short distances where precision matters, though if you are doing AoE magic that doesn't matter
>>96669621Wait, if magic requires a focus item to use, how to people discover magic in the first place?
