Vampire Sphere Edition>Previous Thread>>96653765>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionDo you enjoy comics and novels from WoD/CofD? This includes fanmade content.
What Wraith stories would (You) run in the aftermath of The Sixth Great Maelstrom?
>>96673085you could play a risen game that features the zombie apocalypse from HTR but from another point of view
So, everything ever published for V5 is now on clearance salehttps://www.humblebundle.com/books/world-darkness-month-darkness-2025-digital-bundle-renegade-game-studios-booksOptimist would say this can amplify hype for Bloodlines 2.Pessimist sees corpos desperately squeezing last few drops from the property before it becomes completely worthless.
WoDbros?
>>96673103It's a fair criticism, if a little hyperbolic. All of my friends agree that WoD books are horribly formatted and need to make clearer delineations between fluff and crunch.
>>96673103I mean, it depends.Just like dice based system being different from each other, narrative systems are also different from each other.Some like Nobilis makes it work, most don't.
>>96673103Not really applicable for WoD, most of the mechanical terminology makes sense with the bare minimum of context - Willpower is willpower, blood points in a blood pool for vampires make sense and require very little explanation, generation is the generation of vampire, disciplines are disciplines of vampire magic and so on. It's pretty self-explanatory. It's a little worse for CofD with terminology like Tilts which isn't self-evident, but it's still not that bad.
>>96673102isn't that camarilla V5 book the reason WW don't exist anymore
>>96673276Yeah, you gotta own being racist
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>>96673214WW still existed, but V5 core book was a major fuckup that had Paradox put them on much tighter leash - they were not allowed to publish anything (not even a tweet) withough explicit review and approval by designated Paradox handler.As of May 2025, White Wolf is back to "operating as an independent entity" fully in charge of World of Darkness>https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/news/white-wolf-announcementParadox also mentioned that they are realizing World of Darkness isn't good fit for their portfolio and will consider letting go "in the foreseeable future", regardless of how Bloodlines 2 performs. Which sounds like preemptive damage control. But anyway, they are possibly setting up to ditch both WW and World of Darkness as a whole in one move. Whether that means letting WW go free or selling them to somebody else is up in question.
>>96673103They're not wrong, but this is the case for most RPGs. Take D&D: you try to sneak past a guard with a DEXTERITY (STEALTH) check, you fail and get attacked so roll INITIATIVE to determine turn order. You attack them with your sword and use a SUPERIORITY die to try and trip the guard. With your BONUS ACTION you SECOND WIND to heal and then ACTION SURGE to attack again. This time you rolled a 20, so you CRITICAL HIT and deal extra damage.The only reason those terms are more accepted is because D&D is more well known.
>>96673102Imagine paying for shit.
>>96673352Like I said, CofD is worse about it, especially concerning games that are about less popular supernatural games that require making more shit up. But I can use basic intuition and context to figure out what a Lineage is, what a Progenitor is and what a Demiurge might be, once I know the basic premise of Promethean. Karma as a morality meter is relatively understandable, as are Transmutations as superpowers. Pilgrimage requires a bit more context to make sense of, Refinements more-so, with Pyros and Azoth being completely nonsensical without a deep dive into the books.>>96673411Basic understanding of the English language will tell you what a dexterity (stealth) check entails, the nature of a second wind and the concept of critical damage. Initiative isn't hard to grasp at all and a basic understanding of action economy explains most of the other mechanics. Superiority die is the only thing that's anywhere close to baffling.If you can infer the basic idea of what a game mechanic is from the words that are used, using a decent grasp of the English language, then that's good game design. If you can't, that's bad game design. I can very quickly figure out what a bonus action is from the definitions of the words "bonus" and "action," but I would require a book or a person to explain to me that a Tilt is a temporary debilitation that afflicts a character or characters in combat, as I'd never reach that conclusion on my own.
>>96673276That sounds... So mediocre.
Hedgefag I miss u :<
>>96673276Twist: he's an Indian Bollywood mogul.
>>96673512>I would require a book or a person to explain to me that a Tilt is a temporary debilitation that afflicts a character or characters in combat, as I'd never reach that conclusion on my own.I'm sorry that you're mentally handicapped.
>>96673381What if Onyx Path buys it?
>>96673512I've never played Promethean or read the book, but looking at >>96673352>lineage>progenitor>demiurgeThese are just regular English words, I assume they generally mean the same thing>frankenstein's monster>galatea>osiris>tammuz>ulganAll of these are from mythology/books, I assume they relate to individual gimmicks.>zekaOk I'll give you this one>unfleshedI think that'd be a tossup between skeletons or robots>throngs>refinements>pilgrimages>transmutationsRegular English words>pyrosI'll give you this one, I assume it's related to fire>azothI think that's an alchemical term>humanity>pilgrimageEnglish words>magnum opusCommon latin phraseI don't think it's that bad. There are plenty of people who don't know what the word dexterity means, your point of view is skewed because D&D is so big. Bonus action is specifically a mechanic that newbies get confused by because it doesn't work like how you might think in English. You say the concept of critical damage is easy to understand, but I'm pretty sure the concept originated from D&D (or around the same time). People don't know D&D terms because D&D used commonly known words, they know those terms because D&D became ubiquitous.
>>96673789>rules get closer to CofD>fluff gets substantially worse as 50+ year old US millennials with TDS take over writing
>>96673818The point is how these words are used and whether their meaning in the game is tied to their meaning as actual words in the English language. I also find it funny that you defend "transmutation" as a regular English word while "dexterity" is a word that plenty of people don't understand.Dexterity in D&D has a definition very close to the definition of dexterity in the English language, while a Refinement in PtC has a very different definition to the word refinement in the English language.And for critical damage, it just requires a simple understand of the definition of "critical" as something significant and severe and "damage" as physical harm, meaning that "critical damage" is severe and significant physical harm, which is roughly what a critical hit does in D&D.This and words like dexterity are only hard to understand and comprehend and only require a lot of context and guidance for people whose understanding of the English language stopped growing at the sixth grade.
>>96673975By regular English word I meant not a made up name. I'm aware it's not common vocab. My point was that "dexterity" got propagated by D&D itself, they didn't choose it because it was a commonly known word. If PtC was just as big and had the same history, maybe "transmutation" would be just as well known. I also did a quick search and it seems Refinement in the game is basically cultivating their own soul to become a real human. Maybe a stretch from the definition, but you can definitely say something like "his good manners come from years of refinement", I think you could make a decent stab at that.
>>96674084>My point was that "dexterity" got propagated by D&D itself, they didn't choose it because it was a commonly known word.uh, yeah it was, retard"manual dexterity" and "dexterous" were words that would come up in 70s-80s elementary and high school, stop acting like they're "bardiche-guisarme" or "lucerne hammer"
FUCK THE SECTS, OTHER CLANS, THE HUNGRY, WOLVES, RAT PEOPLE, MUTANTS, SPIRITS, MAGES, HUNTERS, GOBLINS, POLICE, SANITATION WORKERSDO NOT GIVE THEM ONE INCH OF OUR TUNNELS
>>96674139No one wants your tunnels filled with literal human shit, no need to worry.
>>96674139>OTHER CLANSIt's just a little pen test. Why'd you build an obby if you didn't want anyone to come?
>>96674139>Nictuku laughing their asses as they wipe your tunnels in a single night each, going 1v20 and barely getting a scratch
>>96674196not that anon, but if you count the other splats than the nosferatu are mentioned as being in conflict with the black spiral dancers, rat kin, slaugh and idiot spectre cults who think that being underground makes necromancy easier and probably some mage stuff i am forgettingfor some reason sewers are sought after splat real estate it seems
What's the best edition of vampire the masquerade?
>>96674525rules? V5Lore & worldbuilding? V20
>>96674139Now, I'm not saying I don't want to kill you, I still do but... yeah, not gonna wade through knee-deep waste.
Ain't no way some stupid fucker in this thread is trying to shit on Promethean. Goddamn some people are just unsalvagable shitsacks.
>Kindred of the East players be like
>>96674836Unfortunately people like that exist. A while back people were mocking BOTH Wraith and Demon on /v/, and despite my best efforts to be civil with them I ultimately used strong language against them for their berating of two of the most important settings in WoD.
>>96674139Yeah, underground is awesome. Especially Elder Tunnels.>>96674790V20 or Revised, they are basically the same with small differences.2nd can be appealing since it keeps the 1st Edition mechanics but refines them.
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>>96674836>>96674884lol you sound like a bitch
>>96674970but it was
>>96674949>ESL third worlder terrified of basic vocabulary lashes out at a game he's too stupid to comprehend for using uncommon termslol
>>96673818>>zekaTurkish word for intelligence. Fitting I suppose.
>>96675082shut up suckhead
>>96675043Oh sorry did your brain break trying to understand the word "throng?" It's okay. You can go back to first grade.
>>96674911isn't the compulsion subjective? So, if he thinks his victim is white, he can drink?
>>96675132it's a bit weirder and also might involve the beast a ventrue can after all smell if he can drink blood even if it is in a bloodbag or glass and they never seen the donorso yes Jan can smell if you are a SA victim
>>96675132It's more like having a specific "taste", same way you might be able to tell the difference between an organic tomato and a non-organic one despite never having seen the growing process for either.
any films out there that capture that concept of Mage
>>96675348a field in englanda dark song
>>96675348The Matrix
>>96675348Vidocq, Carrie, The Craft, Doctor Sleep, Suspiria, The Matrix, and the new movie Weapons.
>>96675348Dark City and the Highlander movies. Yeah, they don't really do magic in Highlander, but it's where 90% of the aesthetic was cribbed from.
>>96675389>>96675442all of the matrix movies or just the first one
>>96673870brother, they already made the rules closer to nwod and you can't recognize the game for the shit they ripped out. your worst case scenario is already here, onyx path absent
>>96672994>Vampire Sphere Editionmissed opptunity to not call the thread "devil feast alliance" edition. It's a alternative name for the sabbat in vampire sphere>Thread QuestionDo you enjoy comics and novels from WoD/CofD? i read the lasombra clan novels after another anon praised them on here and they been nice enough and that anon was right that abyss mysticism is was more interesting in those novels than ingame... however nearly every single character in that trilogy are more interesting than lucita and the weird dream connection she had with a random neonate
>>96675348There is no movie like this where people can do literally anything and express it through aesthetics like being a shaolin monks, vikings and super science. Movies won't tell you shit.Lord of Illusions has a Nephandus-led cult.
>>96675348no cap kung fury
Since the main refrain in the Chronicles of Darkness is that Twilight is a state and not a place, what if this could apply to the other realms as well?
>>96675668It does? There are like 4 or 5 different "frequencies" of twilight.
>>96663032>What splat has the cutest twinks and twunks?Mummies make nice twunks.
>>96675698https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight
>>96663605Unfortunately, irrational behaviors are actually very predictable, malleable even.
>>96674790>>96674898Would v20 be best if I'm coming from bloodlines?
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>>96675735Yes, and good on you for being honest about being a fukken casul
>>96675739Why wasn't Mummy: The Curse about playing as a team of elite Imhoteps all trying to bring back their waifus at the cost of every innocent that stands in their way...
>Shelf Broke right before I was going to buy a copy of Changeling the dreaming so had to put my free cash to that instead The universe is telling me something
>>96675735vtmb is very compatible with v20 with the exception of dodge being folded into athletics the stat block is even nearly the same however discipline powers are different but that was true even when vtmb came out between v2 and revised (v3) but in general every edition before v5 is similar to the point of near compatibly rules wise not just for vtm but most wod games
>>96675757>The universe is telling me somethingLearn carpentry?
>>96675757>The universe is telling me somethingYeah, don't buy C20. It unironically is like a Dauntain got his hands on the game and wrote a Banal-infused version of it that sucked out all of the soul and turned it into Werewolf-lite.
>>96675750It can be. Like, that's not even really an out there concept.
>>96675781The foreword of MtC singles out and mocks The Mummy movies along with all the people who want to play that as a TTRPG. It really, really wants to be more than just The Mummy: Tabletop Edition.
>>96675788So? Things can be more than one thing while also including lots of its elements and allow you to do what you're. >The Mummy (1999) represents several elements of Mummy — a race to find a hidden city and claim the relics within, traps laid to protect the tomb, ancient sorcery. Imhotep’s desiccated body repairs itself much like one of the Arisen, and his formidable displays of power could easily be Utterances. Though their aim is to keep him from rising rather than serving him, the Medjai have been protecting Imhotep’s tomb for thousands of years, much like a mummy’s cult.Just go do the thing you want.
>>96675810A good GM never deviates from the writers’ instructions.
>>96675479All of them, though in different ways. First one is finding out the world as he knows it is fake, and can be manipulated. The second and third is him finding out the rules of the new world he "awoke" to are also fake, and there are others similar to him who can do things in their own ways. Haven't seen the new one, but I heard it was shit.
>>96675828It was made deliberately awful and does nothing but relentlessly mock studio executives for being mega retards. The problem with that is anyone who knows reboots/renewals/sequels are dogshit don’t need to be preached to, and everyone else gets confused and feels a sour aftertaste because they can’t understand the negativity in the production.tl;dr it breaks the 4th wall too much without any tact or wit and has bad action
>>96675348Fight Club
>>96675847Fight Club has nothing at all to do with WoD. Neither does Taxi Driver or Falling Down.
>>96675856Yeah actually, people who want to understand Mage (not so much WoD as a whole, but Mage definitely) should watch both those movies you mentioned as well.
>>96673098Has anyone made a fan game based on Zombies? I'm already aware of All Flesh Must Be Eaten.
>>96675890Zombie: The Coilhttps://www.scribd.com/document/38611461/Zombie-The-Coil-Rulebook
>>96673512>Pyros and Azoth being completely nonsensical without a deep dive into the books.Anyone who has perused a treatise on alchemy should be familiar. This is basic stuff.
>>96675913I can’t tell if you’re doing what the kids call “joking” or if you’re being genuine.
>>96675348Doctor Strange.
>>96675348People just posting stuff off the watchlist in the book anyway, so π.
>>96675788What about Boris Karloff's The Mummy?
>>96674836>>96674884>people have different tastes than me>this makes them badThis is how children think.
>>96675911Ah, thank you!
>>96675929Given that you're on 4chan and /x/ exists, I'll let you make your own conclusions.
>>96675967>this strawmanIf the reason you hate Promethean is because it uses words you aren't familiar with, you probably lack the higher brain functions necessary to understand the abstraction of rolling dice
>>96675972You’re welcome, faggot.
>>96675978I didn't say that was my reason, or that I even had an issue with Promethean.But I am very tired of people throwing bitchfits and acting like someone is some combination of retarded and morally crooked if they don't like a specific gameline.
>>96675913I haven't. How can I get started, any books you could recommend?
>>96676002https://www.wiby.me/?q=Alchemy
>>96676002The Mystery of the Grail -> The Hermetic Tradition -> Introduction to Magic Vol. I and II, all by Evola. He thinks he’s a genius but he’s really a pseud so it’s easy to parse what he communicates as a beginner.
If I wanted to as close to a flesh tearer as possible as a vampire what should I do? Giant and Bruja are jumping out to me as the obvious but what else can I do to bulkmax and beastmax?
>>96676027And, instead of Evola, who did a thing as silly as actually believing in magic, you can read much more entertaining philosophical speculator Guenon... if you can stomach his writing.
>>96676055>who did a thing as silly as actually believing in magic
>>96676055technocratic hands typed this post
>>96676043That depends. What about the Flesh Tearers you want to try out in VtM that is actually compatible to what's possible in-universe, outside being a methuselah/antedeluvian? As it stands your question isn't much far from >how can I get as close as possible to Kirito as a Vampire?
>>96676062>>96676069If magic is real then how is electricity real??
>>96675991>But I am very tired of people throwing bitchfits and acting like someone is some combination of retarded and morally crooked if they don't like a specific gameline.Anon, they were bitching because they didn't know 8th grade English vocabulary, you really shouldn't be trying to white knight for them
>>96676081Borderline crazy, musclebound, blood fueled monster. Giant vampiric warrior monk. Something along those lines
>>96676164Are you going to play in a table or are we just theorizing?
>>96676164It would be wise for you to join <<<GANGREL GANG>>>.
>>96676164Play a Brujah Antitribu. Maybe get a Tzimisce to work on you, then again RAW Vicissistude is kinda ass so it probably wouldn't help.
newfag here trying to get into classic wod. does wod has the equivalent of dnd adventures? how are they called and what are the best?
>>96676159Don't be dense, this issue far predates your objection with the people criticizing dialogue. In fact, the post I quoted simply stated "Ain't no way some stupid fucker in this thread is trying to shit on Promethean." If you're only irked about the reasons behind the criticism, you should specify that.Because as it stands you have people losing their minds and going into tirades if people say things as innocuous as "I don't care for Werewolf" or "I don't like Mage's approach to magic."
>>96676188Vampire is the only oWoD splat I know fuck all about, but yes, it does have premade adventures. It doesn't have a name for them. Off the top of my head, some ones to look for in the MEGA areAlien Hunger, Blood Nativity, Diablerie: Mexico and Diablerie: Britain. They're all fairly old books. Oh there's also the famous Transylvania Chronicles, but that's like a five part mega campaign that spans about 1000 years and is filled with late revised metaplot faggotry. Not something I would advise for a noob. VTDA (middle ages vampire) has a few others as well. Clash of Wills and the one set in Jerusalem, name is currently eluding me. Which is funny because I actually ran it, but had to rewrite a shitload of it because holy fuck is it railroady at points.Alien Hunger is a decent if somewhat specific intro story for Vampire: the Masquerade.
>>96676164Gangrel or Brujah are most obvious. Tzimisce works too. Unfortunately VtM doesn't actually play that well with a berserker archetype due to how the world works. Werewolf works much better for that, but it's obviously a different flavor.
>>96676211thanks. don't mind metaplot or railroading as long as the rail is good.
The “official” quiz for nWoD says I’m Salubri…
>>96676164Brujah for warrior monk but more barely restrained rage under erudition. Gangrel for crazed monstrous berserker. Assamite for warrior monk but more violent crazed jihadi. Lasombra for just stone cold killer. Tzimisce have a meathead monster form power but honestly depending on the ruleset you can mimic it with Gangrel.My rare picks for you though is Warrior Setite. Insane religious flagellants with shapeshifting, fear/anger projection and super strength.
>>96676345>try it too>literally can't answer the first questionFUCK
>>96676360That’s a B greentext for sure.
>>96676345I got ravnos, but there were a few questions where I just as easily could have picked another answer so I'm curious if that'd change things.
>>96676345You mean WoD5. nWoD is something different.
>>96676345HAHAHA FAGGOT
>>96676389You mean CoD, WoD5 is something different.
>>96676395You mean Battlefield, CoD is something different.
>>96676345>malkavianfuck me, at least I'm not a fishmalk
>>96676345Vampire and werewolf I understand, why the fuck is there a quiz for hunter but not mage?
>>96676415Mage isn't an official 5th edition product and paradox desperately wants to pretend older editions don't exist.
>>96676418Didn't they say M5 was next in line? Would've been nice advertising.
>>96676345>Banu HaqimCould have been worse.
>>96676424Consider how long it took W5 to come out, don't count on advertising any time soon. If they said M5 is in the works, they're probably loudly arguing about how the hell they're going to do Mage's goofy ass setting in the corpo-leftist paradigm of WoD5. You know that Galestalkers/Hart Wardens/Cult of Fenris shit from W5? Assuming they actually make an M5 (if bloodlines flops hard enough, they'll probably quiet cancel it), it'll be that but worse.
>>96676424These quizzes only tend to come out approaching release, once all of the factions and subfactions have been finalised. They're probably still weighing which Mage factions should be deleted, renamed, redesigned or kept.
>>96676430>>96676433Huh, guess I misremembered. Would've been neat, I think Mage has the most variation in the factions.
>>96675913Having to peruse a treatise on alchemy in order to understand the terminology of a setting without having it explained to you is a little much.Imagine if people had to have read the Vampyre, the Family of the Vourdalak and Carmilla in order to have the foundational knowledge needed in order to understand Vampire the Masquerade. The greatest strength of VtM was always its use of common pop culture floating around in the zeitgeist so that people could hop in with a reasonable understanding of what a vampire was, rather than having to read centuries-old literature.
>>96676456Having? Any adult should already know this stuff. It is part of a standard education.
>>96676456Hard disagree. One of the things that made VtM click for my clique is that it had several layers to it that become significantly more esoteric the further down the rabbit hole one chooses to go. If your players are pop culture cretins, then street-level campaigns and combat take the forefront. If your players want to actually dig into the setting, there are pathways to create a more cerebral experience starting with The Book of Nod.One of the reasons Bloodlines became a cult classic is because of how nothing is explained well in-game and foments a yearning to learn more from secondary sources. Meanwhile look at other tabletop video games that are actually financially successful (Space Marine 2 immediately comes to mind) and how their over-explanation of the setting leaves no room to delve.
>>96676456>kindred>kine>camarilla>sabbat>gehenna>diablerie>caitiffPlenty of common VtM terms that require some extra knowledge unrelated to pop culture vampires. Not even getting into all the clan names or Caine lore.
>>96676478What school did you go to, where reading treatises on alchemy was a part of the standard curriculum? Fucking Hogwarts?
>>96676490House Tytalus, how did you know?
anyone watched kindred: the embraced?
>>96676507I tried, but it's pretty bad, borderline unwatchable at times. It's so chock full of 90s tv show cliche one liners, that it makes me groan at times.
>>96676493>House Tytalus,Grim.
>>96676542I take it that you're here exclusively for CofD, then.
>>96676553Nope. I'm into owod, don't really care about chronicles. I wanna like kindred the embraced, but I just can't. It's just too ass.
>>96676493Is your mentor still trying to kill you?
>>96676629He still poisons my tea whenever I come visit (a different poison every time, you wouldn't believe the shit he's put in there). I poison his coffee as payback.Then we usually talk shit about footbal (he supports Chelsea, me Manchester), eventually resulting in us trying to blow each other up with fireballs whenever those discussions get too heated.Once that's done, we use the ars mentis to make snide comments about the other's recent (lack of) accomplishment cause each other physical harm.Then afterwards we go to the pub to kill our livers with alcohol.
>>96676345>Got GangrelFuck yeah, give me all the Outlander bitches!
>>96676456>Hop into being a Hermetic without knowing much about Hermeticism or even reading the summary in coreHermetics are like the Technocracy but magic. Don't pick the most orderly and static faction way up their own asses with meticulous organization and rotes. You're basically playing a Technocrat without knowing technobabble about quantum states or electronics. TF you gonna do if the GM isn't shit and asks you about foci, or you meet another hermetic?
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>>96676702DADDY NO
>>96675913Even without the alchemy background when Promethean was released it was during the period when Azoth was thrown around in a few video games like Haunting Ground and Atelier.
>>96676702yuck!
Time has passed. I still view vampirism as a losing venture.Unrelated substance. https://youtu.be/1400fzt0SHU
>>96676752You view a curse as a curse? Bold!
>>96676752>Unrelated substanceThis is what a Technocrat experiences when they enter a Caul.
>>96676752Holy brainrot
>>96676921Why do Tremere have to be as Jewish as possible all of the day?
>>96676430>corpo-leftistNo doubt run buy forceful, yet bitter, disillusioned Marxist tycoons.
Has anyone ever played this, since the oWoD combat book was meant for it originally?
Hunter went as well as it could last night. Introducing a new PC is always tough when there's been nothing to set them up beforehand. Our new guy is Lennox, Lenny to friends. He's a member of Ashwood Abbey and he's chasing his white werewolf/whale to town. Feels like a fun way to introduce a new monster. The other PCs attended the funeral for the previous PC Sherman, and four other commuters murdered on a commuter train. There's a media frenzy in town as well as a police man hunt. Every evening on the news the local Police chief is interviewed, people are stopped for vox pops and each PC was caught at least once for this. The PCs finally met the new guy when he entered the Ashwood Abbey safehouse, which is beneath our old-money PC, Duncan's old family estate. They established that Lennox knew Duncan's father and that he was also a member of the Abbey. The car crash that killed him in the scottish highlands 15 years ago was, surprise surprise, werewolves! After putting all their plans on the table and deciding on leads to follow, the options the PCs came up with were:Aid Lennox in hunting down this new Werewolf.Look for Sherman's body, only a monstrous blood splatter was found and an empty casket was buried.Look for the Vampire Killer, who is still at large.Look for the Slasher known as the Bouncer, who stabbed someone 67 times with a bunch of silverware and dumped a shopping trolley's worth of Wolfsbane over the corpse.
>>96676969 The group decided on the latter, figuring that they may get information that would help with option 1. Our librarian Siobahn, opted to hunt to Sherman's body and leave the fighting to the men. They tracked him down to an alleyway, where he spends much of his time shaking and crying. They managed to open a dialogue with the guy, and he roughly explained that his life absolutely sucked and that his only way to assert control over it is to kill. He also explained "mysterious lights" which got the PCs attention. These lights were what compelled him to stab the man 67 times with silverware, the Bouncer is perfectly capable and willing to kill on his own, thank you very much. They did metagame a bit and I may have accidently encouraged them by saying "Maybe?", as they wondered OOC if the mysterious lights that drove this man to kill may be some sort of Werewolf lunacy effect. In reality it's a Puppeteer Slasher hypnotising him. Other Slashers under his thrall will also describe these lights if the PCs talk with them. I reminded them that IC, only Lennox would have experience of this and he ran with it to describe an encounter he'd had with Werewolves before. At this point, Duncan said "Wait, did he just say he's killed other people without the lights?" Lennox and Duncan then attacked him. They were horrified at the punishment this man took, he strangled Lennox even as his femur was broken in half with a sword, and continued to strangle him as Duncan ran a knife through the Bouncer's kidney. He eventually tried to escape, and as all PCs have done at least once in their life, they chased him down onto an open street in the middle of the day, tackled him to the ground and cut him to pieces with knives in full view of several witnesses. They dragged his body back into an alleyway and escaped through a sewer. I decided to end their scene there because it was getting a bit out of control.Meanwhile, Siobahn found this on the train track. What could it mean?
>>96676968I didn't know Street Fighter even had a TTRPG, let alone that it was under the ST system.
>>96675746If being brought into the fandom by Bloodlines marks someone as a casual, what do other entry points say about a given person?For example, I was introduced to V:tM by a cute goth chick in high school, and for lack of friends and alternatives at the time, I was willing to see how these weird "roleplaying games" worked. What would you say that marks me as? Besides "a normie." That ended quickly.>>96675757I recall seeing an old copy of... possibly 1e Changeling? Could have been 2e, can't check at the moment. There were a dozen pages in the middle of the book that were full-spread photos of tables littered with "fae" kitsch, with written lore scattered about as if on scraps of paper. For all its faults, Changeling was someone's passion project.
>>96677009You were a targeted individual until the state realized youre too ineffectual to become a real threat and left you alone. And also a normie.
Werewolves expert I have a question. Is there any benefit to having high gnosis other than ease of activating fetishes and being able to step sideways much easier? I'm looking through the gifts and not that many actually use gnosis to determine the power or benefit from using more. I see a few rites such as the rite of summoning that benefits though. Any obvious gift synergy I missed?
>>96677179Pulse of the invisible works on your Permanent Gnosis, and I believe other high-rank gifts scale with your permanent Gnosis too, but I assume you're talking about low-rank play. Gnosis is great, but not paramount unless you have loads of gifts for some reason. Gifts are notoriously expensive and Gnosis is hard to recover. You should consider it secondary to Willpower, really. Willpower>Gnosis>Rage in that order as a general rule. Gnosis is also used as a bargaining tool with spirits.
>>96676999Not only that: Someone made a Street Fighter 20th anniversary edition.
>>96677246Yeah I was referring mostly to low rank play. I did spot Pulse invisible but it seem to be the only one that did it. I assume for the most part rank 4 and 5 gifts are off the table. I'm not sure most werewolves get to rank 3 either.
Who is your favorite Gangrel character? Be it your own PCs, NPCs, or official characters. I'm trying to get a better feel for the clan beyond "dirty savage hobo".
>>96677399Xavier
>>96677399Beckett. It's not even close. Also the greatest argument against the clan stereotype.
>>96676055magic is real though
>>96677399Prince Decker of MilwaukeeMost based Gangrel
>>96676921>Camarilla and Anarchs>Tzimesce>Banu HaqimV5... I mean, Vamily can't into meme.
>>96673102Is there a script or something to remove all the watermarks from the pages? I wanted to share all the missing books to the trove, but I CBA removing the watermark on thousands of pages one by one
I hate people who hate Sabbat players. Kill all theatre kid players.
>>96677579what books are even missing?
>>96677597Under the Skin S4 has watermark of some spaniard. A bunch of werewolf books, etc
>>96677584I only hate when you fags act like the Sabbat are an upbeat community organization that doesn't kill families for fun.
>>96677630those players suck tooI really want to kill the writers for making Sabbat an NPC only faction in V5
>>96677651Allowing players the option to play as bad guys is tantamount to supporting badwrongthink!
>>96676188Run alien hunger.
>>96673103Despite their names, Storyteller and Storytelling aren't really narrative systems.
>>96677713You DO ask for consent before drinking a meat bag, right??
>>96673175I respect Nobilis for committing entirely to the bit. The consequence is that it stops resembling a conventional game with dice and such, and more resembles a freeform RP with some guidelines about what kind of melodrama you have at any given moment, and what TYPE of almighty existence-warping power you progressively grow into as you follow a vaguely Miyazaki-like character arc.
>>96675842>tl;dr it breaks the 4th wall too much without any tact or wit and has bad actionAnd honestly, that's a good thing because it also kills off any further hope of shitty, desperate sequels literally nobody asked for being made. It's the most based thing a trans person has done in recent memory solely because this movie was made to fuck over corporate suits.
>>96677179Apart from what the other guy said, allegedly werewolves evolve into "predator bodhisattvas" with some combo of age, experience and power although as far as I can tell that hasn't been elaborated on because the company is retarded and thinks it has to kill one line to save another.
>>96677928i even ask blood bags for consent
>>96677179If you keep your Gnosis higher than or equal to your Rage, you won't attack packmates during normal frenzies.
>>96678149>"No plastic was harmed in the making of this game."
>>96678186>”You didn’t recycle your blood bag? Don’t you care about climate change??”
>>96677521>>Camarilla and Anarchs>>Tzimesce>>Banu Haqim>V5... I mean, Vamily can't into meme.>other "Tremere" HousesHouse Goratrix?Does V5 even mention the Order of Hermes?
What cross splat encounters have this reaction
>>96678426Anyone and Pooka.
>>96678426Mage and MageOh wait you said crosssplat….
>>96678426Pretty much all of them, outside of specific factions.
>>96676969>>96676983Thanks for the update! It is good to see that people actually play rather than just shitpost.
>>96678308Vampires are behind the environmentalist movement because, being immortal, they need to think long term...!
I started to re-read Ander's Mage Page and damn if it isn't great. The old WoD had some charm to it that I can't recapture with any other setting.http://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/factions/technocracy/iterationx/I kind of want to remake a chronicle in the spirit of Halloween. I have an Iteration X character who went down to "haunted" houses to debunk the supernatural claims and hunt down ghosts or demons using ghostbuster style weapons. Such fun times, should replay it for old time's sake.
>>96676921The Tremere entire thing was being internally united more than anyone else, V5 reads like it was made by someone obsessed with nerfing them.
>>96678666Would honestly make sense, also checked.
What's the general opinion on the nu-HtR? Is it worth checking out if I actually really like the original version? How does it compare?
>>96678943Pasta reply because H5 doesn't deserve the effort.It's not good. See these for my thoughts on its various problems and successes, such as they are.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/84898390/#84913760https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/84898390/#84913931https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/85453793/#q85454551Achilli also seems to think it's a heist game, despite the mechanics making that style of play make no real sense.Both HtV 2e and HH are leagues better, but I also think WoD5's mechanics are total ass. The whole general idea is that they're HtV tier 1 cell PCs and that all organisations are bad wrong evil. Except instead of anything fun an interesting it's all bland as shit and questionably designed. HtV is also just the best version of Hunter, even if it's not exactly on topic, but they managed to fuck it up anyway.
>>96678890And every edition before that read like they were made by someone obsessed with making them OP
>>96676921>Banu HaqimRetarded V5 memes are so shit.
>>96678954>HtV is also just the best version of Hunter, even if it's not exactly on topic, but they managed to fuck it up anyway.I enjoyed it a lot, how did they fuck it up?
>>96678958Would be nice to have a happy medium instead of turning them into pure garbage who only have mediocre rituals and are mostly useless in a fight.
>>96678755Probably the best Technocratic organization alongside Void Engineers. Syndicate and Progenitors were by far the most boring.
>>96678943>What's the general opinion on the nu-HtR?For the most part, not worth using it unless your group only plays V5.
v20 or revised?
>>96678969By not doing all the fun stuff HtV did.
>>96679042>v20 or revised?there is so little difference rules wise thereso are you asking if i want metaplot or not?
>>96676345>GangrelFuck my stupid chudcel life
>>96679209Youre just too strong and powerful to ever have sex bro…
>>96676983Brutal
>>96678954>>96679004Thanks for input anons. Seems consistent with the vibe I've got from a quick skimming of info about it online. Guess, I'll stick to OG Hunter then. I have to check out the Vigil one day though. I'm not a big fan of the idea of hunter PCs acting as a part of a larger organisation and I actually mostly like the concept of Messengers and Edges, but I did hear good things about it.
>>96679358HtV doesn't force you to work with larger groups, those are just options. It's a three tier setup and you're not expected to play any specific tier or progress through them. Tier 1 hunters are a few guys who are hunting together with no wider support. Tier 2 are in larger, but regional, organisations that have more of a shared philosophy. Tier 3 is for your more global groups with fancy powers and all of that stuff.
>>96679386Yeah, the three tiers of HtV are neat. NTA but I think tier 1 HtV is what most groups gravitate towards I think, since it's pretty cozy 'bunch of bros on the road having to MacGuyver shit to kill monsters with' style monster hunting. Lends itself well to a Supernatural TV show format. Tier 2 is also good and works if you want to upgun threats in exchange for providing the party much better resources and backup to face them with. At Tier 3 it really ceases to be recognizable as a paranormal investigation/monster slaying game though. You're basically elite occultists who have seen far beyond the veil of reality, or a black ops force armed with a bottomless stockpile of silver bullets, UV ray guns, and other kinds of specialized monster killing tech for full on war against the darkness. It's way less cozy and personal. Some might be into that but I think it's not the game's strengths.
>>96678426Pretty much all of them but I like Hunter vs literally everything the most
>>96679549>Hunter vs. Changeling the Lostseems like bullying abuse victims desu
>>96679563That's why I prefer CtD setting with Lost CofD kits and mechanics.>tfw no Dark Ages: Fae setting ported to the nWoDWe live in the shittiest timeline!
>>96679563Changelings are psy vampires. It makes absolute sense why Hunters would pursue and eliminate them.
>>96679563God told me (in a dream) to destroy them. I don't make the rules.
>>96679642Pics like this make me wonder if the old CTD artists also worked on old Planescape for D&D
MAGE: THE ASCENSION – FIFTH EDITIONA Storytelling Game of Esoteric and Ideological HorrorMagic is real. Reality is far more malleable than most humans will ever realise. Yet, there are a rare few who have become aware of the true nature of the world and can alter it to suit their beliefs.They are the Awakened, each of whom has their own unique perception of reality – a Paradigm – which allows them to impose their will on the world and manifest phenomena that can only be described as supernatural.However, all power corrupts and magic is no exception to this rule. Most of the Awakened inevitably come to view their Paradigms as the one and only truth. No matter what they call themselves – the Enlightened, the Traditions, the Fallen – they are all mad. They are all Marauders.Only the Crafts, a network of eclectic Awakened who still cling to their Lucidity, stand against these eldritch maniacs and safeguard existence, as well as their own Paradigms.Will you take a stand against the onslaught of unfettered belief? How will you determine what is real and what is not? What is your truth?In Mage: The Ascension, you play as the Awakened, someone who has unlocked the hidden potential of humanity and can work all manner of miracles. Capable of almost anything, you must balance the subjective and objective in your quest to test the limits of your newfound abilities and protect the world from others like you, who have lost themselves in their own delusions of grandeur.
>>96679712Though each of the Awakened has a unique Paradigm, they often share similarities with each other, which allows like-minded mages to band together. Among those who still remain Lucid, these groups are known as Crafts, each of which specialises in a aspect of reality – a Sphere.>The Unifiers are united by the belief that an underlying layer of the universe is the key to magic and seek to understand it as best as they can. They specialise in the Sphere of Space.>The Axles place their faith in determinism. They believe that they are the agents of destiny and have been given magic in order to preserve it. They specialise in the Sphere of Fate.>The Iterators insist that their magic comes from the tools that they wield and dedicate their lives to improving their arcane devices. They specialise in the Sphere of Forces. Their verbs are .>The Gardeners believe that magic is nothing more than a product of biological processes and derive their strength from both life and death. They specialise in the Sphere of Life.>The Alchemists operate according to the premise that everything contains magic and that this mystical power can be extracted using the right methods. They specialise in the Sphere of Matter.>The Stoics strive to achieve perfect discipline, under the assumption that they can only master magic by conquering themselves. They specialise in the Sphere of Mind.>The Dreamers believe that the key to understanding magic can be found deep in the human psyche and explore their potential through the medium of dreams. They specialise in the Sphere of Spirit.>The Ecstatic insist that transcendental experiences are the source of all magic and seek mystical enlightenment by chasing new sensations. They specialise in the Sphere of Time.
>>96679723Lucidity is vital to the Awakened. If a mage's Lucidity drops to zero, they will begin to believe that their Paradigm is the objective truth instead of reality, and they will seek to alter the world around them until it conforms to their beliefs in every possible way. They will become a Marauder.All Awakened start with ten points of Lucidity. There are two primary methods of losing Lucidity.The first is via Paradox dice.Every time one of the Awakened uses magic, they must make an Avatar Check. To make an Avatar Check, the player rolls a single die. On a success, the Awakened's Paradox remains unchanged, but on a failure, the vampire gains a point of Paradox, and thus, one more Paradox die for their dice pool.When a player builds a dice pool for an Awakened, they exchange regular dice from that pool for Paradox dice on a one-for-one basis. A critical win in which one or more 10s appear on a Paradox die or a failure in which one or more 1s appear on a Paradox die cause the Awakened to lose a point of Lucidity.If an Awakened goes an entire session without using magic whatsoever, they lose all Paradox dice.The second is via Contradictions.Contradictions are caused by significant actions that include causing a human to Awaken, harming a touchstone, breaching their own convictions or the chronicle tenets.At the end of every session, an Awakened makes a Hubris test. The Hubris test rolls a number of dice equal to the number of Contradictions caused that session. If any successes are rolled, the Awakened loses a point of Lucidity.Once each story, an Awakened can regain a point of Lucidity lost during that story by spending a scene with a Touchstone.
>>96679727While there are countless varieties of Marauder, the most dangerous ones band together and form factions that threaten to reshape the world, if they are not stopped.The Traditions are groups of Marauders who possess traditionally mystical Paradigms, but refuse to acknowledge any other Paradigm as legitimate. The most influential Traditions include:>The Celestial Chorus are religious fundamentalists who insist that their religions are the source of magic and seek to impose their respective faiths upon reality.>The Hermetic Order are a rigid hierarchy of dogmatic wizards that seek to compel all Awakened to obey their convoluted, labyrinthine system of magic. The Enlightened are groups of Marauders who refuse to acknowledge their magical nature and desperately try to rationalise their abilities. The most influential Enlightened include:>The Syndicate believe that money is the most important aspect of society and that anything can be accomplished with enough investment and capital.>The New World Order insist that humanity is foolish and easily deceived and that it is their duty to shepherd the witless masses and control them.>The Progenitors see the human body as the ultimate biological machine, that can achieve anything with enough surgical and genetic tampering.The Fallen are groups of Marauders who have truly lost their minds and willingly devote themselves to malicious and destructive causes. The most influential Fallen include:>The Chthonians worship malicious entities associated with religion, such as demons, and seek to bring about the moral collapse of society on their behalf.>The Entropists dedicate themselves to the destruction of all things and wish for nothing other than the end of reality in its entirety.
>>96679736The wisest Awakened understand that the key to preserving their Lucidity is to respect the status quo and acknowledge the objective truth of reality, rather than try to impose their will on it. To use magic at all is to indulge in hubris and take one step closer to becoming a Marauder. Moderation, respect and civility are all vital for the Awakened and the best ending that they can hope for is to keep their heads down and leave magic behind, in favour of a quiet life spent among humanity and their loved ones.
>>96679673True for CtD albeit it's outlawed across all of Concordia, harshly punished when caught, and mainly the Unseelies who do it. I still find it extremely weird that the Unseelies are pushed as 'not-evil' when they think Ravaging people is perfectly normal. Even when it literally kills people sometimes. Even when it reduces the number of Dreamers in the world and accelerates the spread of Banality. There's no reasonable justification for doing it, it's just Unseelies being druggies addicted to sucking Glamour out of people's brains. All Unseelies are valid Hunter targets desu.But it's not true at all for CtL even if it can be done, the Courts consider it a crime against humanity and will shank you if you're caught doing it. But there's basically no reason to ever Ravage someone in the first place because Glamour is free as fuck in CtL with Pledges, emotional harvests being easy and cheap, dream harvests are even easier and cheaper and can top up your tank instantly with one good roll, and goblin fruits are everywhere, or just sucking it right out of a gateway, straight from the source.
>>96679752Even the non-ravaging means of harvesting glamour from humans counts as psy-vampirism. Good luck explaining the nuanced differences.
>>96679769>Good luck explaining the nuanced differences.To Hunters, I mean.
>>96679642I know, Dark Ages: Fae was far better than all the other Changeling books.
>>96679769>Even the non-ravaging means of harvesting glamour from humans counts as psy-vampirism. Does it? In both CtD and CtL normal harvesting means you aren't actually taking anything directly from the individual, you're just feeding on the runoff of raw emotional/creative output. The individual's mind remains unaffected, no one is harmed, it's not parasitic in nature but more like scavenging the waste material of the human mind and heart. Yes, you could argue that Changelings eat brain poop when they do normal Glamour harvests. Ravaging means the Changeling has started doing real vampirism however, they begin to drink straight from the mental tap, harming the mind's mechanisms and sucking emotions out of their heart. That's the point where it becomes very very not-okay
>>96679795>insert monologue of Nick Cage as a Hunter calling Changelings psionic coprophiles
>>96679752>>96679795After all the "changelings are parasites" posting we've had lately I'm glad someone is finally saying this. Even ravaging is relatively benign, it just leaves its victims burnt out for a few days, rhapsody is the one that actually harms people and the only fae who really use it are house leanhaun, FUCK LEANHAUN.
>>96679042Revised, 100% revised. The art and the mood is just superior in revised. I think it was WoD at its peak.
>>96679810Nick Cage could still do a Hunter movie. One day...
>>96679887He already did a Changeling movie, so maybe.https://youtu.be/1i-_CRKdh4Y
>>96679691>t.
>>96679701You don't have to wonder, those are both DiTerlizzi.
>>96679887The world isn't ready for this level of cagekino
>>96680016Reminder that, according to their own book, Inquisition, the Society of Leopold murdered Pope John Paul I.
>>96679459I've never heard of anyone running a tier 3 game, but it does sound interesting to me. The different scope seems like it would be the hardest thing to grapple with.
>>96679939>Ex-chef just wants his pet backHow was that a Changeling movie?
What do we know about Egypt, and what does it tell us about everything else?Between Bastet lore, Mummy lore, Followers of Set lore, Children of Osiris (sorcerers) and Cult of Isis lore, Children of Osiris (vampire bloodline) lore...How does it all tie together?
>>96680122>exAs ex as one can be, yet still tangentially connected to the process. Broken down and disillusioned, the pig isn't simply a pig. Even as a truffle pig, its unique capability isn't even the reason it holds worth for Cage's character. Cage eventually reveals that he himself can simply sense where the truffles are, and so the meaning of the pig is that it exists as the last thing anchoring him to the world. And that's the true reason behind the hunt. It's the precious sentimentality of the pig for someone who, despite being the best at something, burned out and abandoned everything, escaping before the last ember had gone out and living in the wilderness to preserve what remained of his soul.
>>96680187That Egypt is a silly place, best not to be taken very seriously.
>>96680065Wait what?Although thinking about it, wasn't it implied somewhere that the Angellis Ater had some connections or influence over it?
>>96680211Note: I'm not spoiling the entire movie. I'm just explaining my bullshit reason for calling it a Changeling movie.
Does anyone like to collect books, if only just for novelty?
>>96680333Yes, I do.
>>96680187Set was driven out, became a vampire and stayed in Enoch until the thing happened, then returned home as an undead sorcerous demigod but found there was already a vampire almost as strong as him there and with a buncha other alliances. Then war forever, good guy vampires, mummies that I think must have been based on mage study of vampirism, and a conquered ghost kingdom.
>>96680333Funny you asked that, literally half an hour ago I've decided to bite the bullet and buy my first physical WoD book (a creedbook for H:tR). Been pondering this for a while since I've came to really enjoy this particular gameline during last year and would love to run more of it in the future, but limited shelf space and (in my opinion) not that great visual direction kept me hesitant.As a general rule I tend to stick to PDFs unless I really like the game, I'm certain I'll be running it a decent amount and I like the art direction of the book. Only RPG systems that I genuinely collect and have most of the published stuff for are old WH40k RPGs by FFG, which I genuinely love. Other than that it's just a bunch of core rulebooks for a few miscallenous systems that I enjoy. But I will try to hunt down more HtR books.
>>96680382How big is your collection? What editions do you collect? Do you read them cover to cover? What's the most expensive/rarest book do you have?
>>96680187egypt lore is actually pretty consistent across the books: the osirian league (mummies, bastet, mokolé, children of isis, silent strider, children of osiris) beat set and his followers in a somewhat pyrrhic victory then fell apart because both Set and Horus weren't around for a few hundred years and then the setites picked off the other splats one by one while they weren't united with only mummies avoiding getting fucked too hardgarou nation only recently (40-60 years ago) noticed that perhaps they should do something about a entire country with nearly no garou in them, but the setites are very entranced in egypt so they didn't manage to do much before osiris casted the new spell of life and the amenti started to also make moves against the setites with their new found numbers and then the metaplot ended
>>96679701I like the artist, truly made them look cute and sexy
Mpregged by shapeshifting Verbena.
Mpregged by shapeshifting Mokole
>>96680497Or if Horus or Osiris had been around, they'd have looked a lot like the immortal monsters making up legends to justify their authority to the great-grandchildren of the last allies to see Set.
>>96679691True Faith status?
>>96679691One look at an Appearance 6 big titty elf and your comrades will eat you alive.
>>96681284Jokes on you faggot I have the Homosexual history
>>96680065Leech propaganda and even if they did he deserved it.
>>96679782It peaked at CTL
how often have the salubri appeared in your chronicles?
>>96681349One look at Kalidor the tall Appearance 6 Dark Elf with white hair, big muscles and a third leg and you will eat your men alive.
>>96680684>>96680985How does that work
>>96681558Life 3, Verbena changes into a 7 foot tall hour glass goth futa witch with a 20 inch schlong. She uses Life 4 to put ovaries in your asshole. Thus she stays nimble for the ascension war while still reproducing.
>>96681060could have very well been! horus is noted several times to be tyrant even in the eyes of his fellow mummies after all. but the way it happened in wod is that horus was dead came back to life and the osiris league was shattered because it had no leaderit's also why part of the reason why he never tries to reform it: He became convinced that mortals are just not reliable enough in a war between immortals to be considered true allies
The Last Witch Hunter (2015) Official Trailer – "Live Forever" - Vin Dieselhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsuG2JUgs_8https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Witch_Finders
>>96681675isn't that getting a sequel soon? ngl there is something weirdly sincere about vin diesel slop like this
>>96681675Loved this movie. >>96681725I fucking love Vinslop movies. It's because they're so sincere that they're great
Anyone ever run Victorian Vampire? How did that go?
>>96680230>>96681387Source: The Inquisition, page 20. You can find it in the MEGA's misc VTM folder.
If you were tasked with making another World Of Darkness, how would you do it? The catch is that you can't copy or base it on previous versions in any way.
>>96681825That would suck. All you have to do is update the setting and say things like how the VEs got gangbanged by the setting, Threat Null is back in control of the Technocracy, and all Technocrats think they've changed a new leaf, but are even more insane, evil and blind.
>>96681825Would a World of Darkness that doesn't have any copy or basis in previous Worlds of Darkness even be World of Darkness?Because even oWoD to nWoD kept some names, and even if those names were discarded there's still themes, powers, the basics of how vampires/werewolves/etc work.
>>96681864Theseus’ World of Darkness
>>96681825I would call it... Curseborne!
>>96681811Well, greater good and all that. Every true hunter knows how it is.
World of Futaness. Factions of amazonian supernatural futas hunt supernatural boys to bulge and bind them forever. There are vampire futas with super strength and fleshcrafting, fae futas with huge boobs and cocks, and witch futas with giant cocks using you for sex magic and mpregging you. Futabots, futa werewolves knotting you, futa scalies, I would pitch it to Paradox with one hand still jacking myself off and the porn games would make us a mint.
>>96678942>>96678666>666HAIL SATAN!
>>96679712>>96679723>>96679727>>96679736>>96679746uh can I get fact-check on this?
>>96681825If you can't crib from, reboot, or remake WoD then you're just making a new urban fantasy game and I don't see much reason to do that when Curseborne is right there.
>>96679887Wasn't he in a Mage: the Awakening rip-off? It reminded me of a male version of The Craft.
If Japan ever makes a World of Darkness animé, I want it to be in the style of Yoshitaka Amano or Patrick Nagel.
>>96682027If Japan ever made a WoD anime I would want it to be in the style of Soul Eater.
>>96681943>fae futas with huge boobs and cocks,Check out Lords of Summer, Spring Court Entitlement, called the Bodhisattvas of the Broken Cage. They're what you're looking for.
>>96681846The whole point of the prompt was to avoid all that.
>>96681825>you can make a new WoD but you can't make it WoD???
>>96681877I was pondering about those old stories about how evil men would be cursed to become dragons, vampires, or werewolves.
>>96681888If the general consensus is that it is good, I'll probably purchase it.
>>96682033I wish that I could hate you to death.
>>96682181I think anon is talking about spiritual sequels with their own foundations and lore, and not just "we have to make a mage or demon game because the WoD did it".
>>96681237The best way to let your enemies learn about True Faith is by complete surprise. Like kicking a Nephandus in the balls so hard you destroy their avatar.
>>96682297This is correct. I am terrible at expressing myself.
>>96682027For me it's Void Engineer mecha anime or rage war of the amazon show
>>96682195Why do you hate loli feet so much?
>>96682297>>96682360Well >you can't copy or base it on previous versions in any way.Is very restrictive. How do you define "any way"? Obviously I can't have a clan called the "Ventrue". But what if I really like the "only can drink specific blood" weakness? Is that not allowed? What about the supernatural powers of mind control, super-charisma, and supernatural toughness? Can I use them with a rename as long as they aren't in that specific combo? Can that specific combo be used as long as they aren't the "vampire noble" clan? Is "vampire noble clan" verboten?I don't mean to sound interrogatory, but it's too many variables for me to really give you a reply.
>>96682476Erase from your mind any knowledge you have of the previous books. Perhaps imagine that this is the first time that the World of Darkness is being made or that you're someone unfamiliar with the property.
>>96682476If I were to take another stab at what >>96682360 was getting at, you'd need to remix the foundations pretty heavily to get the notVentrue in. Perhaps there aren't clans and becoming a vampire gives you feeding restrictions based on your attitudes in life. Perhaps the reason why the "noble bloodline" is considered as such is because they're using what the WoD would consider the Giovanni playbook and only make family vampires to keep holdings in their inbred "clan" more or less indefinitely (but ditch the necromancy, it'd be too on the nose). There are a lot of potential directions to go in when you're the one calling the shots.
>>96681825If all I'm supposed to do is copy contemporary takes on the monsters I would end up with...>Vampires from No, I'm not human.>Werewolves from Werewolf by Night or The Quarry>Sorcerers from JJKI can't come up with anything for the other splats.
>>96681825The Secret World is plenty similar to WoDhas:-gaia and hollow earth (very central to the plot)-the dreamers (kind of like the wyrm sort of)-vampires-werewolves-all variants of ghosts-mages-zombies-demons and angels-mummies-cultists-every type of cryptid-lilithalongside 3 big player factions that aren't necessarily at each other's throats but they don't have a reason to have friendly relations eitherfeels like you can just add politics to this and a "veil that mortals can't see past" and you've got something like WoD
>>96682532Oh, shit, Chuck. It's my jam. Mage as hell.
>>96682560man, I love John so much, he's always in my head ironicallyI fucking loved the mission where you meet him 1 on 1, sent such chills I remember to this day
>>96682532Shame the game is kind of shit and the lore doesn't have a good primer from a third party.
>>96682532I did find The Secret World pretty fun. Especially since at the time I didn't know WoD much past Bloodlines, and in hindsight it handled decent amount of things better. Not all, mind you. But enough. I take ideas from it fairly often. That Illuminati quote about burying the secrets of the universe on page 5 of google was a really great explanation of why a modern masquerade works that I'm routinely baffled nobody else seemed to figure out or latch on to. >>96682580Yeah MMO combat is universally cancer.
>>96682532>"veil that mortals can't see past"I've recently been pondering the logistics of upholding the Masquerade / the Veil without the aid of Dissonance and Lunacy. The universe makes it too easy for magi and werewolves to stay hidden. Magi have plenty of spells and artifacts that can alter or erase memories, while werewolves could simply devour witnesses.
>>96682596>Yeah MMO combat is universally cancer.There's only so many ways to make something that works on that scale.
>>96682599>while werewolves could simply devour witnesses.Making normal people disappear is guaranteed to draw attention and start investigations.
>>96682599>while werewolves could simply devour witnesses.*takes a picture*
>>96682599The masquerade and similar covers have been bullshit from the start, not because you can't hide something on that scale but because it would be almost impossible to get the ball rolling.
>>96682631*Vores the VHS"
>>96682596>That Illuminati quote about burying the secrets of the universe on page 5 of google was a really great explanation of why a modern masquerade works that I'm routinely baffled nobody else seemed to figure out or latch on to.What's the quote? I've never felt like a masquerade would work in modern times, and is sketchy in older times. Part of the reason I could never get into VtM. At least the other splats have built in ways to explain why regular joes aren't aware of them.
>>96681470Never used the fuckers, they have almost no reason to interact with the plot even when it is something that would attract them.
>>96682642The quote was something along the lines of "if there is enough lies and evidence for the lies people will believe that the truth is also a lie" in other words, retarded conspiracy theories drown out the reasonable ones.
Where do I find a translation guide between V20 and V5?
>>96682632Please, elaborate.
>>96679887>Nick Cage could still do a Hunter movie. One day...https://youtu.be/7xQNSZ-GNvU
Any pointers for a first time DtD ST?
>>96682660In my experience, anyone who finds the Masquerade implausible either>Overestimates the curiosity and integrity of their fellow man>Underestimates how easy it is to subvert power structures with supernatural powers bolstering mundane corruption playbooks>Has far too much faith in technology>Or some combination of the aboveThere's nothing new to be said in this debate. 90% of it stems from your worldview.
Reading through the wiki, I find it funny that some mage characters are just listed as Nephandi seemingly because of their position despite the fact the character themself is just passively allowing of evil to happen rather than performant.https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Lee_Carmody being a great example. Nihilistic low-level mage. Nothing about the character really screams Nephandus to me, even if he's the janitor at the psycho circus. There's a gulf between "fuck em all, they deserve it" and "I am going to jump into the Hell vagina and become everything I hate to spit in the world's eye".
>>96679459>>96680070I think the easiest way to include Conspiracies is in a "Tier 2.5" manner that leans heavily on the fact they're too big for their own good. A given Tier 3 PC can't hope for much support since the org at large has bigger national fish to fry than what's in your Chronicle, so all they've got is "what's on hand in the area" so to speak. There's a mission statement, fancy tricks, and a lot more ease in keeping it hush-hush, but because of the large latitude, petitioning your buddies could make a situation worse since you don't know who's actually available (Say you're Malleus Maleficarum as part of some Sisterhood of St. Wisdom trying to shelter the victims of a serious incident, and the big-dick Brotherhood of St. Ambrosius catches wind and risks turning the town into a slaughterhouse).
>>96682660It's mainly the way that isn't a big enough incentive to stop the God King shenanigans on a wide enough scale to form the modern masquerade where those creatures aren't believed to exist at all. Even when talking about the most basic scenario where only Cam 7 exist, they would act as gods amongst mortals and that would be the normal state of civilization.
>>96682774To be fair this also presumes little to no antediluvian mass puppetry or devine guidance towards the Masquerade.
>>96677179Also depends on your breed and tribe and scenario. I'm playing a Silver Fang Theurge. At any given time, I might need to spend points to activate Master of Fire, Mother's Touch, or Luna's Armor. Or for dealing with spirits. And I need all the dice I can get to slip my packmates in and out of the Umbra in the cities we often hunt in. Also nice for using Rite of Binding to carry more tools and weapons along.On the other hand, my Galliard packmate picked mostly Willpower-based gifts, so she burns through those and ends each story with Gnosis to spare.So if you have at least one packmate that has good Gnosis, and you don't have many gifts in your future that require spending them, you could be alright.
>>96682751>There's a gulf between "fuck em all, they deserve it" and "I am going to jump into the Hell vagina and become everything I hate to spit in the world's eye".Ain't the point that 1 leads to 2? Going Nephandi has to be a willing choice, so there's got to be a pipeline.
Is it common to feel frustrated with the exponential XP costs in WoD? Every time I try to build a court I feel like I need at least double of the recommended XP amount to build a character like that.
>>96682831I go by what you needAnd btw you can easily break the session by putting too much salt in the stewComing from experience
>>96682831It's extremely normal, yes.WoD just has fucking ridiculous xp tax for players to reach certain milestones. It's not that bad when they keep this properly in mind when designing NPCs and such, but often writers just make them unrealistically high-caliber.I think the most blantant case of that was Demon, where Faith started at 3 and is expensive as fuck, but then City of Angels has every NPC and their mom be at Faith 7-8.Just remember, it's okay for NPCs to not be complete experts in their position, or need subordinates/colleagues for particular tasks. How much do the board members of hospitals know about medicine? You'd be surprised how little.You could try experimenting with CoD style XP system for your games as well, though that has its own issues.
>>96682847I know where you are coming from.
>>96682831just replace all xp and costs with freebies, ST :)
>>96682881I get the drawbacks of Liner XP costs, they just annoy me a lot less. The exponential costs more often than not make me ask if what I am building reasonable so I guess that's an upside.
>>96682929That would be the reasonable option.
I am a noob mage a bit at a loss about Something.Do the hollow ones travel the umbra at all? Nothing about that in their m20 writeup, and the traditionbook is not realy clear on that
>>96683010The Book of Worlds mentions that they tend to have the Videre Mortis meaning that they see the penumbra as the same way Wraiths, Euthanatoi or Nephandi see it. So if they do travel the Umbra they would probably go to the Low Umbra.
>>96683067lmao fuck, let's try that again.Something I'm working on for Storyteller's Vault next April. The Warlock guy was kind enough to help with the concept art, and the guy I'm parodying promised not to sue. What do we think?>Mother Echidna, Scarlet-Haired and Violet Eyed, set out to know the spirits of the deep. The outer darkness, the blackest oceans, and the deep ground.> She laid the first clutch of were-echidna eggs as radiant emeralds that work like Corax spirit-eggs, but in this guise, she and Anteater, their father, became tainted by the Wyld and it spread to the radiant emeralds. She turned away after granting what protection from madness she could.>Nowadays, fathers perform a fake ritual suicide on the day of their child's first change to harden their nerves against the chaos they've been made guardians of by Aunt Gaia.>They think the Weaver is a more immediate concern, the black doom that will come after the Weaver's dark legion of Cybershifters
>>96679712>>96679723>>96679727>>96679736>>96679746This all wildly misrepresents the core themes, misunderstands the setting, defenestrates all nuance in favor of inoffensiveness, and holy shit, Paradox would totally do this to a tee. A glimpse of things to come. Thanks, I hate it.
>reading into MtR>one of the dynasties is expected to commit ritual genital excision and self-harm as standard practiceThey always ruin interesting concepts with their weird degen shit.
>>96683126It was 2001, that was genuinely edgy. If it ruins it for you now, just swap something else from the Osiris myth out. 'Cause, he does get chopped up and castrated in that actual ancient Egyptian myth.
>>96683129Yeah, but there's edgy and then there's "this ancient soul shard just healed your broken soul, now take this knife and cut your cock and balls off to be mentally healthy".There's edgy and then there's "my friend's obvious mental illness and ritual self-abuse is actually healthy". There's edgy and then there's projecting or normalizing things that are not, in fact, fucking okay.
>>96683133Look what website you're on Anon-kun, everyone here either agrees with you already or is a troon themselves. Just look up Osiris and figure out what won't stick up your craw.
The funniest shit about owod Mummy imo is the fact that they reprinted the ''woman can get pregnant from a male corpse'' spell in the Mind's Eye Theater mummy book lmao
>>96683174To be fair, it is one the 5 things they ported 1 to 1.
>>96682881I get how the system incentives the people to have their strongest powers and skills from the start but at some point it mostly comes off "You aren't really supposed to afford shit, go Diablerize people"
hmm today I will diablerize god
>>96679334I'm trying to emphasise the body horror of the Slashers a bit more to show that they are indeed monsters, and not just "people that kill".
>>96683126>>96683133>Talking about the SefekhiThey do that because otherwise they would straight up rape people. The Sefekhi have a LOT of pent-up energy, to put it mildly. Physically harming themselves is the only way they can reel back their violent urges, and remain focused on keeping the world in balance. Out of all the Dynasties, this is the one that does not fuck around.
>>96682189it's bad, lacks soul, edge and eveything feels very generic
>>96683583>edgeCan’t have edge in 2025 A.D.
>>96682831its even worse in V5 where they recommend giving players 1 Xp per session, which my ST sticks toI hate it so fucking much. Had to wait 20 fucking sessions to get a discipline 4 power, got nothing else.You are practically forced to make sure to start with a level 3 power and the specialized skill spread, anything else is suboptimal.
>>96682831>exponential XP costsThey are quadratic. Still to high, but if you want exponential costs, look at Earthdawn (which gives more XP for greater threats to compensate).
>>96683279Good luck.
>>96682532>Game has built-in web browser because you have to google shit constantly
>>96684514This dude’s brain is so smooth it can break the sound barrier due to the lack of friction.
>>96684514>google shit constantlythey added an in-game browser because they made fake websites (which are still being kept up) that tie in with your ARG investigation missions, and it's probably the coolest fucking thing any MMO can do to reward you for using your brain
>>96684579They also had you look up IRL information to solve investigations and stuff. It's based.
>>96682532this reminds me that instead of making their own ttrpg they instead made a terrible dnd 5e skin book (as in it's mostly just dnd 5e they didn't even change most of the spells)
>>96684971I thought it was in SWADE?
>>96684971Probably didn't have the funds, not like TTRPGs are a real money maker.
>>96684981that too but later and it's also just a skin book they just pulled out the dnd 5e rules and put savage worlds so all non rule pages are exactly the same and it still isn't a secret worlds gameno idea who they got for this shit but it makes wod5 look high effort
>>96684997Surprised it happened at all. Not like it's a big IP
>>96684993they did this with kickstarter and made 150k out of 40k but they never aimed for more than a dnd skin for the begining and not like it couldn't have worked if they put in more effort and instead of a audio drama and a adventure nobody is gonna play made the players actually feel like secret world charactes
>>96685034Oh nvm then, that's kinda of dumb.
>>96683279get out of here cappadocius nobody likes you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDRNaAxryu8clan for this feel?
>>96685098Ishtarri (laibon toreador) can have extreme sport as "vice of beauty" which might make them the only cainite's able to feel something akin to a adrenaline rush
>>96685098Toreador or at least a bloodline with presence>>96685115I was thinking that too because of the combination of presence and fortitude
>>96685115which books can i read for more stuff about the laibon?and aren't they all from africa? i want my guy either californian or aussie
>>96685177There's mainly Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom, but some dark age books also mention older legacies of theirs.>i want my guy either californian or aussieCould do a 'got embraced on Safari and now basically has to infiltrate his old country pretending to be a Toreador' plotline.Or just say you got embraced on safari if you don't want that baggage. Ishtarri are known to not always embrace useful people so much as people they're interested in.Or just play a Toreador and ask your ST for permission to play out their clan weakness like those of the Laibon. Like a Caitiff, only a mutation in clan weakness instead of disciplines.
>>96685177Ishtarri are not tzimisce, yes most of them are in africa, but they would have no problem moving out to wherever they wantthey probably are just going to say they are toreador when asked so nobody would care either
>going to run a V:TM game for my friends for the first timeHard to really know what to do since no one else has any experience running these and we've just been playing DnD a few years. I would have preferred something simpler like Hunter but hard to say
>>96685293what do you have already planned and for what do you want advice?
>>96685369Mostly just how to keep stuff flexible for the inevitable attempts to railroad the campaign for comedy that's bound to happen, I'm going to start planning stuff soon but I'll probably make the first arc a module and then experiment from there. As far as I understand it DM'ing in a WoD campaign compared to DnD is less about planning combat encounters and puzzles and more like trying to coax players through an interactive setpiece. Not sure if this is the correct approach though
>>96679727>the vampire gains a point of ParadoxGood thing it's some vampire and not me. MageCHADS stay winning.
>>96679727marauders are based
I drew my Toreador medium. She can see ghosts and incorporates the weird shit she sees into her art.I'm lucky enough to have an in-person weekly game with 5 players.
>>96682596>>96682642Here it is the quote!I also use this same idea from Secret World for a whole things in WoD for contemporary era.
How come they never show actually warped and animalistic Gangrel? Are we supposed to believe that all these characters have never frenzied throughout the ages?
>>96685508They showed some examples, but nothing too extreme.Jezebelle from NYbN is an example.
>>96685508IIRC Beckett has cat eyes and wolf clawsI remember him having a third animal trait but can't remember what it was
>>96685508I think characters like that while realistic are hard to design. The book makes it seem like the frenzy effects replace each other after enough time so it doesn't really makes sense we'd see warped beyond normalcy characters. That would sort of breach into the Nosferatu territory if it goes far enough
>>96685460>I'm lucky enough to have an in-person weekly game with 5 players.giwtwm... got no fucking idea how i'm supposed to find a group irl besides find any other group and try to introduce them to wodcool art
>>96685508Stuff like goat odor or hissing for punctuation wouldn't be apparent from a pic, a sagittal crest or mane sprouting down to the shoulderblades could be lost in a hair style. I think most Gangrel could stretch it out pretty far just being weird to be around for longer than 10 minutes.
>>96685774I think you just ask your friends if they want to play like I did, some already knew about it but it did take a bit of explaining to get them into trying it out. That being said though good luck not being the perma ST if you try
>>96685793>That being said though good luck not being the perma ST if you tryyeah that's what's going to happen 99%, and not only do i not know how to narrate, i don't even know where to get started
>>96681973"Go fuck yourself morningstar. We lost the war ad did like, all the fuckin warcrimes. Cope, seethe, and get lore of flesh'd."
>>96685809likewise friend, but if you want to try you're kind of stuck on it. Maybe a friend will pick it up if they get interested in the setting. Otherwise, possibly hit up a discord group though that'll be a toss up if you mesh personality wise. Can also consider waiting for some studio to beg paradox to make a proper vampire/wod rpg
>WoD-ey game comes out>it's VR-only so nobody will ever play it>given the most generic name possible>all the screenshots and media aren't representative of what the game entailsHow absolutely cursed.
Once again, it's up to me to bake a new thread.NEW THREAD YOU FUCKERS!>>96686080>>96686080>>96686080
>>96685408A first session generally has the Prince assemble the PC group and give them a mission, so don't feel like your first session has to be some ovep-ended sandbox etraveganza.
