I fucking hate DND so much. Everyone chaining themselves to this dogshit system running the most melodramatic, boring ass campaigns possible where nothing fucking happens, and when something does happen nothing cool is allowed to happen during it.Nobody knows how to make an interesting or fun character. They think they make 'deep' characters and end up making a schlock filled mess that already has 5000 billion pages of backstory before our story as a party even begins as level 1 adventurers.The setting is full of shit and piss writing and despite there being lots of material already made for it, every DND session i've been in has just been a mess of shitty half-baked homebrew and aimless stories full of garbage OCs anyways. So shitty DMs who have never DM'd a different system can't even mask their inexperience or lack of skill by running premade content since they're so fucking averse to it for some reason.
It often feels more like i'm playing in somebody's failed novel with a bunch of shitty idealized self inserts than it feels like i'm sitting down for an actual tabletop experience.
>>96681492HYTNPD?
>>96681501Yes if i'm lucky but most of my friends insist on DND and I got suckered into trying it again even though it's just as annoying as I remember it and now i'm frustrated enough to complain about it on 4chan
>>96681492How would a different system make cool things happen where it couldn't in DnD?What would be 'an interesting or fun character'?How does a better system reflect on the setting and/or what would a better setting be?
>>96681531Anon, if you're so weak willed that you end up playing what you hate, DND is the last of your problems.
>>96681555This system itself is mostly irrelevant. If you are a good gm you make your good world happen in any game. You don't have to make your adventures be anime with a warcraft skin just becuase that's how the game is marketed
>>96681492Any specific alternative systems you recommend op?
>>96681492>Everyone chaining themselves to this dogshit systemSuch as you, choosing to make a shit thread to whine about how much you hate this game instead of leaving for greener pastures and not gracing dnd with more than a fart in its general direction?>but there are no gree-Fuck, make some, like everyone who came before you and wanted to play a niche system.
>>96681492Well, I taught my friends to play TTRPGs, avoiding modern D&D culture, so playing with them is fun, but nevertheless, they have other major problems like meta-gaming and refusing to take the game seriously. D&D or not, a person needs to have a strong personal affinity for this niche hobby to be a joy to play with. I am afraid it is a unicorn hunt, and only other GM who run different games can truly qualify.
>>96681492This is primarily a 5e problem. Have you tried playing older editions?
>>96681531When your friends insist on you being the table onahole do you go along with that too?
i play 13th age for my dnd experience. We have a duck cleric and a minotaur warlord in the party right now, a pair of supports. I like the icon relationship system layering over traditional alignment, it ties players to the world in a way that solves the murder hobo problem and generates plot hooks I have to improv. More freeform players can spec into class abilities to allow them to stunt and enhance abilities in tactical combat with raw roleplaying. There are narrative games, simulationist games and gamist games. I like how far I can get on several facets of this triangle with such a lightweight game. The game running quick is huge. My dnd campaign is double the dungeons and dragons than most other games.
>>96681531Have you tried a better edition of DND?
>>96681492... why would you care what others play?Pick a system you like, assemble a group that wants to play and go with it.I'm in this hobby since 1998. My only contact with DnD is reading ADD 2e and DnD 3e rulebooks. Never run nor played it, because it wasn't something I wanted to play.Not on my table = not my problem.Your liver and especially duodenum will thank you for embracing this attitude.>inb4 I can't find players
>>96681637>>96681962>This is your brain after the DnD rot sets in
>>96681492Stop running 2e to 5e.Run OD&D/Basic/AD&D and your situation will drastically improve.
I’m still mad at my friends. I ran two 5e campaigns over 3 years then said I was bored with it. I offered to run Werewolf the Forsaken (the most combat heavy nwod in the hopes it would be a good segue to other games). And they decided to play fucking BG3 as a group instead on rgp day. With my old group we played lots of different games. VtR, Dark Heresy, Only War, gurps, genesys, even weird shit like Skeletons or Mothership as one shots. I don’t get the 5e player mindset, they will literally play a video game over trying something new. I haven’t talked to most of them in a few months, I need a new group. I’d rather be a no games than play more fucking 5e.
Yeah it's shit.>>96681637Hilarious.>>96682646 lol fucking delusional.
>>96682139>>96682681Damn, I see my opinion caused some controversy. So sad (not really)!
>>96682866At this point the anti D&D crowd get triggered by d20s. If the game has a d20 they start pissing and shitting themselves in impotent rage.
>>96682681Go ahead and explain how OD&D to AD&D wouldn't solve OP's problems.
>>96681492Sucks to be you then.
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>>96681492real D&D requires sandbox and hexcrawl, most people do not play real D&D they play knockoff and watered down variants
>>96682922All of the shit OP is complaining has been rampant in D&D from the beginning. Turning back the clock does NOTHING to fix problems baked into the design of D&D.
Gaming has always been about escapism(which is why it attracts tons of total freaks that the more normal-leaning gamers avoid) but I can't help but feel like the current vibe reflects Zoomer malaise. Like you have a bunch of people farting around on Discord, fantasizing about a life when they're not just DoorDash drivers living with their parents or multiple roommates. >They think they make 'deep' characters and end up making a schlock filled mess that already has 5000 billion pages of backstoryI'm in the pro-storyshitting camp and even I think players go overboard with backstory. Having an interesting personality and interacting with other characters is way more important. >premade contentI've noticed a trend back towards modules and metaplot that kinda bugs me. I'll see people on Discord and my LGS asking if any GMs are running a specific module/path. Like maybe they think they're getting the "real story" or that gaming is like choosing a show to stream on Netflix?
>>96681492It was a fine system... for 1974. We should've moved on to something better by now.
>>96681492Critical Role and Arcadum have caused irreparable damage to the culture of DnD
>>96684807DnD has been "safe nerd" for some time now.
>>96684806It's still a fine system for fantasy wargaming campaigns, an art which has seemingly died out in wargaming in favor of a format that more resembles sports than war.>>966847245e is probably the edition of D&D most capable of making interesting characters (for D&D) using official books but players have to give up on the idea of having a "build".
>>96681591Shut the fuck up faggot we have a right to criticize the state of a game, you buzzword screeching goblins pull this fragile bullshit in every anti-DND thread get the fuck over yourself
>>96681555If you are honestly asking that it’s because you’ve never played a half decent system and realized that some of the most popular systems set the table up for failure as soon as you open the book. I’ll give you two instructions and you tell me which one will produce the more compelling result.1-you have indefinite time and resources to make me a setting of any kind you wish at any depth of detail.2- you have 15 minutes to make me a map with 2 towns, 3 small dungeons, and 3 different geographical features as well as 6 npcs. Everything must be drawn with your off hand (writing with dominant is fine) and nothing can be erased.I know my answer because I spent years agonizing over my own hot garbage only to turn around and realize it was just that. Same applies to characters. Less is more and certain systems encourage you to have as little restraint as possible.
>>96681492>Nobody knows how to make an interesting or fun character. They think they make 'deep' characters and end up making a schlock filled mess that already has 5000 billion pages of backstory before our story as a party even begins as level 1 adventurers.Not a single one of these issues is going to be fixed by changing your game. It is not a symptom of DnD, its a problem of players having the wrong expectations. If another game had the same volume of players as 5e then this same problem would permeate those places, too. DnD isn't making you retarded, its just the common denominator because its become the default system for people.All of your conplaints are about the people in the fucking game and not the game, so idk, make better friends I guess.
>>96685330Any character creation progress that allows the players ego to dominate is going to have this issue.
>>96685450process, not progress
>>96681492Have you tried playing 1e?
>>96681492>Nobody knows how to make an interesting or fun character. They think they make 'deep' characters and end up making a schlock filled mess that already has 5000 billion pages of backstory before our story as a party even begins as level 1 adventurers.2014 backgrounds are the best a core D&D book has ever been at making distinct, interesting but grounded 1st-level characters. Not like this was a particularly high bar to clear with previous editions, and they have also been undone in the 2024 revision.
Lessers fear the greatest
>>96681492Try to play with old-school dudes. Here's how to recognize them:> they don't like reddit> they don't like Marvel> they don't watch critical role> they play OSR> they prefer old school fantasy art (Caldwell, Frazetta, Easley, Elmore)> they prefer old school fantasy (Conan, Moorcock, LOTR)> they don't tell you to go to therapy> they're above the age of 30> they prefer adventures about dungeoneering and combat rather than muh character development and "telling a story together"> they tend to make human fighters rather than freakshit, wholesome, quirky or gimmicky characters> they are okay with objective morality and absolute good vs evil themes> they don't get offended if orcs or other creatures are inherently evil> exploring uncharted lands isn't evil colonialism to them.> they don't play funny games but an occasional laugh and lightheartedness is totally okay
>>96685607At least recommend games that are still in print and supported. Castles and Crusades, and Adventurer, Conqueror, King are much better choices than AD&D.>>96687085XGE did a good job in expanding the backgrounds. It was possible to come up with some really good reasons why your character has the class they do and why they are risking their lives adventuring.
>>96687650ADND is on drivethrurpg you ignorant bellend. If you really have to buy the rules, paypig.
>>96681492Sounds like you're angry at people having fun wrong. Get your own group and run whatever system you prefer, pussy.
>>96688852None of which fixes the atrocious layout and typo's in that rotting artifact of a game.
I went to GURPS after getting sick of D&D and have been very happy.
>>96681492Good god, why is every fucking thread on this board about what people hate and don't like. This is the most miserable fucking place on the internet.
>>96681584>one day ago>no responses How’s Genesys?Basic roleplaying universal game engine?Gurps?Any others?
>>96688971Misery enjoys company
>>96687148You loved this, didn't you~?
>>96681584yeah >Savage Worlds>GURPS>Traveller>BRP>UNISYSTEMTake your fucking pick, anyone one of these will give a better game than DnD
D&D isn’t bad. Vanilla has issues but every game does. It’s true that with a good dm and players you can have fun.
>>96681492I built my own tabletop system.If people want to join my campaign, I let them, and I show them the rules.I stopped running D&D and I lost some people because of it, but in retrospect, I didn't need them.I got tired with the whole culture of D&D, WOTC, and all that.Once I started reading a lot of other systems to inform my own, I realized what a hot dumpster fire D&D is.
>>96687148thats not hackmaster
>>96681492my oc is cool
>>96687650>recommend games that are still in printOSE advancedOSRIC
>>96684724>I've noticed a trend back towards modules and metaplot that kinda bugs me.Never understood this issue. It's much easier if you have already pre-planned modules without having to invent stuff if you're not very creative.If you're GM-pro, sure, if you're not it's useful.I wouldn't much enjoy one-shots myself desu.
>>96684714>All of the shit OP is complaining has been rampant in D&D from the beginning.OP hasn't explained jack shit. You could slot in literally any other system into his post and the complaints would be just applicable because it's nebulous dribble that doesn't point to any of the legitimate issues with D&D specifically.
>>96687444As an actual old dude we love laughing and scoring monster ladies. We loved making freakshit jank characters that somehow worked with our bad take on the rules. Hell, dwarves were freakshit kingsD&D in the pre-internet days was played pretty much like GTA and hardly anyone knew the rules because only one kid had the booksDDC is probably the most honest take on how old school actually was played
>>96689297>UNISYSTEM
Man, the campaign I've been playing in for the last 3 or so years is nothing like that.Neat.Sure, It's a bunch of old dudes, half of us even have children, playing D&D 3.5e, although everybody at the table has and does play 5e from time to time too.>>96701991>DDC is probably the most honest take on how old school actually was playedI've heard that exact sentiment a couple times before.Interesting.
>be forever dm>Party is all 5e players>Occasionally get them to try something else like Vampire, Mothership, even ran a few session of Dogs in the Vineyard>They always want to go back to 5e where the boring combat takes forever >They don't even really know 5e rules that well
>>96702580I will never understand this. It's like they only play DND to say they're a DND player because it's a 'cool' thing to do now, but none of them actually give a fuck about tabletop games or even really enjoy them unless it's just a group roleplaying experience with like 3 dicerolls the entire session.I blame Critical Roll (and every other slop-shit "lets watch people play games instead of playing them" program) and, I don't know, Stranger Things? These people are literally fucking chained to DND. Even if they don't enjoy it. I don't fucking get it man
People are so lazy. They don't want to learn a new system even if it just takes one session for them to pick it up.D&D is old. They're stuck with some concepts like initiative because they're part of the D&D brand, but they slow the game down.If they never play any other systems, they won't know what they're missing out on.
>>96681492I'll be honest I've never played a ttrpg except for that one time...BUT I will say that I appreciate the depth of resources and inspiration D&D pulls from in that it aims to be "complete". What I mean is it tries to give some support to the widest array of whatever topic you're looking at as options, whether it's cultural backgrounds, class archetypes, whatever.Besides GURPS that has rules for everything, D&D probably is runner up with rules and flavor.
