I think Trazyn's irreverent, Deadpool-esque personality works perfectly in the context of what he is. People hate him for being immersion-breaking and fucking up the tone of the setting, but given that as one of the few high-level Necrons who's still more or less in complete possession of all his faculties, he's so powerful he can actually afford not to take things seriously. Him and the Orks both work as comic relief from different angles. The orks because they're so absurdly violent that they're perfectly adapted to a hostile universe, Trazyn because he's so absurdly powerful that the universe is profoundly inadequate to him.
>>96681625>Unpopular 40k opinionI feel like whats unpopular here is the standard popular opinion everywhere else and vice versa with opinions popular here.HH should have stayed myth is unpopular outside of /tg/
The Imperium no longer has the capacity to wipe out the Tau even if they put serious effort into it. As far back as Damocles the Imperium committed 5 companies of Space Marines and multiple Titan Legions, against a Tau Empire that at the time consisted of like...20 planets. And they failed to take a single major sept, only taking two minor outposts with populations in the low thousands. Space Marines and Titans are incredibly rare and only thrown into the most important of conflicts so that alone shows that this was not a minor skirmish but a major effort for the Imperium. And since then the Tau have gained new technology, their population has expanded massively, and they've expanded to have hundreds of planets, possibly thousands. If the Imperium had to dedicate rare and irreplaceable resources to eradicating the Tau when they only had a couple dozen planets, they're certainly in no position to wipe them out now that the Great Rift has split them in half, and the Tau have gotten exponentially more powerful.Now the Necrons on the other hand...But to be fair the Necrons could wipe out ANY faction, they only don't because they'd prefer to have living organisms around for bio-transferance.
>>96683091>But to be fair the Necrons could wipe out ANY factionHonestly, I am a huge Necronboo, but sometimes they are written a bit too powerfulBecause now, with the way they are written, the only reason they haven't won yet, is the literal plot armour of the ImperiumAnd I feel that makes the Crons a bit too strong, no other faction could really stand against them at the moment
>>96681625>>96683091These kind of braindead newfags with these retarded takes are the cancer killing the setting, and if they stuck to capeshit and adventure time 40k would be in a much better placeIts these fuckwits that GW is targeting their releases towards, and these double digit IQ hylics that are loving the nu-lore ADB is squirting out his prolapsed anusNecrons should have never been reworked for the reddit epic science bacon audienceTau needed the brainwashing/propaganda aspects of their society to be more overt and blatant so retarded fucks like >>96683091 that probably cant even fucking spell subtext don't miss the entire fucking point of the factionThe level of discussion of 40k on /tg/ is as bad, if not worse, than you find on reddit and 4chan should have stayed dead because we actually had decent discussions on the otherchans you dumb fucks were too retarded to find
>>96683134I'd say go back to 4th ed or whatever, but we all know you weren't alive back then.
>>96683137I'm not about to post my id here, but here's the first codex I bought back in the dayCan you post anything from before 9th, or just ifunny gifs of sigmarines?
>>96683153>he posts a book I could buy on Ebay for $30
>>96683156>xhe posts a reddit marco because xhe is a secondary that owns no models or books
>>96683165I cum in faggots like you as recreation.
>>96683187have fun painting that trim faggot
>>96683202I'll think of you and your crusty book while I do it, anon. Wish me luck, I'm playing For Honor right now. :)
>>96683128That was literally always true of the Necrons and Newcrons are a gigantic nerf to the version of the race that had finished science, was entirely immune to Chaos in all ways, and couldn't even be harmed by the dragon dildo bug race.
The Cain books are more tonally and thematically in line with what 40k as a setting is about than the entire Horus Heresy series combined even if I personally think some of the HH books are better written prosewise and developmentwiseAnons who try to pretend the Imperium is in any way an efficient system with rulers interested in the greater survival of humanity instead of their own selfish gains and wealth hordes in Terra who just do all the bad things because "THERE IS NO OTHER WAYYYYY!!" are part of the capeshit fags who have been fucking up this setting. 40k was always about everyone being an irredeemable dipshit in different sides of the spectrum with different ways to be an asshole from Chaos to the T'au, with some characters being an exception. Goodguyhammer is the most horrid discussion and one this board has on a daily basis because they try to project their personal beliefs on a fictional setting where the writers set off to make everyone as bad as reasonably possible. It's not even a fringe 4chan opinion but the main take secondaries have from the IPPeople who paint with official schemes instead of /theirdudes/ are spiritually inferior to people with their own little lore they made up in their heads but wonr share with anyone alongside their cutesy little personal color scheme that might reflect some of thatChaos needs more characters who are outrigt evil power seeking asshole instead of the "Im just using them for my own personal gain oh my Lord im a goddamn genius!!!" trope. Sure they can be a product of their enviroment as most chaos worshippers are but do give them just the most flawed fucked up obnoxious personality possible instead of some noblebright corrupt hero. Rants about how he's better than the filthy loyalists and how chaos is a gift are fine as long as he's doing lines of space coke while calling his opponents slaves to the corpse god
>>96683128I think it's alright since their goals do not really intersect much with most other species. Even Tyranids. As long as you do not poke them they are mostly content to do their crazy routines or obsess over finding a way to create new souls for themselves. The fact that Necrons don't really care about wiping other species and did put a weapon ban on the worst stuff post War in Heaven really helps to sell them as a "moderate" faction in 40k. The fact that crazy, immortal, obsessed robots are the most reasonable guys in the setting kinda tells you everything need to know about it.
>>96681625>Unpopular 40k opinionsAll sub factions and space marine chapters need squatting so the rules can heal
>>96681625I think Trazyn would be a better character if he was taken more seriously by the setting and the community as a whole. TIATD, the most flanderized book in the whole setting, is not just a wacky series of comical mishaps between 2 old man but also a great example of the necron's plight with their biotransference. They lost all ability to recognise things such as culture, history, the intricacies of language and art and so on because they lost their souls in the path of rationality and constant conquest (Orrikan) while still somewhat yearning for what they once had (Trazyn)From the few glimpses we get of necrontyr culture it seems like they were a pretty artistically inclined society doing great advances in basically every single field of study and the arts in ways unprecedented because death, as tragic and certified as ir was, guaranteed a constant flow of minds and people in the grand scheme of things even if most of them are despotic dipshits. When they gave up on death and accepted stagnation in the name of being free from pain their cultured came to a screeching halt as they all became mindless slaves to higher wills built only to die and work in their endless wars. It's why the eldar, a incredibly emotional, psychic and creativly inclined race, were the perfect foil to the necrons. I really enjoyed seeing how Trazyn valued even the tiniest shows of culture and commerce in that book, really gives him the vibe of a actual historian while Orrikan scoffs and tells him to not care about such lowly creatures as they are destined to rise to even more emotionally pure light forms or whatever the fuckI just wish they leaned more on Trazyn being somewhat of a tragic figure within his own empire as he drives himself mad trying to collect and keep cultures in a way his own kind never could>>96683441That's my biggest gripe with newcrons desu. It makes them feel out of scale and comical. They just need to fix 2 things in lore to really nerf this issue(1/2)
>>96681625I like to ass Ciaphis Cain too.Inadvertantly a hero due to his cowardice always leading him to more danger
>>96682685>HH should have stayed myth is unpopular outside of /tg/IRL at least in my circles that's common
>>96683532(2/2)>Necrons can't create new devices or machinery with the exception of a couple named crypteks>Their technology is rotting away at a faster pace to unfixable standarts so most of what they had is long gone Both of these things exist in lore but GW just never shows it properly. I remember that one necron dynasty that could blow up stars, Mephrit IIRC. They are mentioned a lot by secondaries even if they explicitly lack star exploding technology as most of it has been lost to time. The main issue is that even if the characters complain about the flesh change GW doesn't generally portray it as that bad of a thing. Give more necrons complete memory and personality loss over time, actual physical issues and more blatant neurosis. It really seems like they have no reason to return to flesh at all. Make returning to flesh less universal with it generally being a very vocal point of discourse and civil wars between their kind. Also fuck the Silent King he should have been dismembered the moment he gave up those command protocols, imagine dooming your whole race like that but just believing you can go on a redemption arc. That's an unfixable issue though I just don't think TSK gets as much flack as he deserves for being the most contrived plotpoint in the main Necron narrative. Killing him off would actually add a lot to necrons in general because it would justify constant sucession wars between different dynasties which is one of the most necron things out there they love that shit.
>>96681625>ugh, the TONE of the setting>but the SERIOUS DARK TONESif any of you think you're in this setting because "it's dark and grim and serious" you're fucking kidding yourselves. you like it because it's superheroes in space wearing tanks and shooting rockets at each other.you like it because it's space elves shooting alien dinosaur bugs, covered in spikes, with guns made of bone that shoot crystal ninja stars.stop pretending this isn't just the manchild extravaganza, and just enjoy the dumb shoot bangs and goofy orks. you absolute fucking posers.
>>96683091What is stopping Trazyn t add corpse-emperor into his collection?
>>96683091>But to be fair the Necrons could wipe out ANY faction, they only don't because they'd prefer to have living organisms around for bio-transferance.Lol, lorelet necronfags are the worst. The faction of walk over there and shoot them can't even deal with imperial artillery. A handfull of nobility in control of malfunctioning robots while do going insane from the flayer virus, trannycronitis, etc.
>>96683134The grimdark element of the Tau was that they were a naive and optimistic race venturing out into a nightmarish galaxy they weren't prepared for. Every horrific setback they encountered, like meeting the dark eldar or daemons for the first time, was far more effective grimdark fiction than anything in Imperium or Chaos lore. The pessimistic shit with the Tau leadership being insidious behind the scenes was totally unnecessary and certainly not the "entire fucking point of the faction". You simply don't understand the power of taking something pure and inflicting misery upon it. Neither did Thorpe, or GW at large.
>>96683134Nobody said anything about the Tau being morally good, retard. Only that they're too big of a problem for the Imperium to wipe out by themselves by now.But since you mention it, nothing you do is ever going to make the Tau not feel like the good guy faction, because we measure things relative to other things. The Tau are western-style imperialists, that much is true...but so what? I'd much rather live in the west than live in North Korea. I can forgive western style imperialism and propaganda if it means I don't have to live in the Imperium where 35 is considered an unusually long life expectancy.
>>96685255>Teleports to your artillery and kills the crew
>>96683565The Severed Worlds, Dynasties, and Severed Empire are also a great threat to the crons that GW is to retarded to leverage.As the eons pass the chances of each sleeping tomb getting fucked up in some fashion and either never waking or waking up severed grow towards absolute certainty. And in the case of the Empire they actively *sever more necrons* when ever they get the chance.It all plays well into the self-destructive and self-sabotaging tendencies of the Necrons. They hold themselves back but not in a cute or contrived way. Much like the eldar it's in a poetic, 'cautionary tale' sort of way.
>>96683187> Insults anon says you can buy that book on eBay> His rebuttal is a kit literally still in production ????????????
>>96681625I'm starting my first space marine army but my warlord is a librarian with a necron head and it's actually trazyn and all the marines are brainwashed losers from his collection
>>96681625There are really people who hate Trazyn? People really take the fucking goofy setting for a plastic army man game seriously enough that they hate Trazyn?
>>96683719No genuine interest, alongside it being a pain to secure intact.
>>96685372>You simply don't understand the power of taking something pure and inflicting misery upon it. Neither did Thorpe, or GW at large.Well, the idea of the Tau being "pure" is fundamentally illogical to begin with. They are a faction whose cultures emphasize power and the application of strength over the weak, much like humans. Thus, it's unrealistic to expect them to be a naive species that believes everyone in the universe is inherently good. The logistics involved in colonizing even a single planet can entail numerous complexities and machinations, making it unreasonable to view the Tau as naive, regardless of the relatively small number of planets they have colonized.
>>96686719"Pure" relative to the other factions in the setting. They aren't cynical assholes that Imperium, Eldar, and Chaos are. Simply having an empire doesn't mean they aren't naive, either, as shown in their attempt to negotiate with Orks or trust Deldar.
>>96687350The tau are more slimy than pure. Every single race that has subject themselves to their rule has been somwhat enslaved and ensnared into a treaty they can't get out of eternally subjecting them to the ethereals' wills. Think of modern diplomacy and politics and how countries subvert each other through treaties and deals that make them more dependant on a higher power bit by bit through subversion and influence until they can't get out of it. It's pretty safe to assume anything a water caste diplomat is saying at any point to an inferior race is either a outright lie or somewhat cleverly arranged half truth. That type of conversation implies the other side is actually willing to listen. They are naive in the sense they can't expect what's coming to them because when you send spies and students on a cultural exchange program too leech off another country's technological resources I really doubt them coming back as a folding fan is in your list of worries.>Ok we shall grant them further industrial infraestructure with earth caste engineers in exchange for help in defeating the greenskins next door but little do they know this will destabilise their national market with our competition leading to their own economy becoming reliant on my products and technology over theirs. I will also promote my own culture subtly as a superior way of life to theirs sk they adopt the greater good and demand their ruling class does so too>YOUR KIND SHALL NOT STEP FOOT ON THIS PLANET FOR YOUR VILE MACHINATIONS ARE TECH HERESY AND INSULT THE OMNISSIAH WE SHALL BANISH YOU BACKWhat the fuck are you even supposed to do.It's that early Better Call Saul shtick of someone lying or sneaking their way into a situation that gets increasingly worst for them as they dont expect the consequences for it while trying to come out as the smartass and suddenly having adapting to everything at a fast pace
>>96687446In fact I wouls go as far as to claim the tau are probably adapting to the galaxy at large the more experience they have on it. They slowly grow more ferocious and are increasngly wary of auxilliaries.Also to keep in line with this thread:The Stormsurge is a controversial design but personally I love it because it shows physically how much the tau are changing. As something built to fight off titans and knights the eccentric fuck all needless weaponry permeating from every surface seems way more in line with the Imperium's way of war than the tau's heavily tank and hovercraft reliant style of early strategy seen in 3rd-5th edition. It's a design meant to reflect the same types of extreme weaponry most of the other factions they come across have and many within the own empire see piloting it as a talentless shitty endeavour and a shame to one's honor.Also with that weird Phil Killy Tau'Va warp godess shit I also hope it turns into something the ethereals never accounted for. Like a bizarre reflection of the collective psyche of Greater Good propaganda and a living embodiment of a bunch of warped notions of reality propagated by the ethereals themselves that might even stand in cintrast agains't their goals for not meeting with the overly idealized comfy Greater Good it represents. But again Phil Kelly's plotline not mine
