I have some experience as a DM but only on D&D5e and I wanted to switch to the closest thing after the OGL fiasco and I bought the begginner box for Pf2e, with the Otari campaign.I've been too busy to play for a while and now I hear the rules got remastered?Is any of the contents of the box still usable?The monster stat blocks? the pre-gen character sheets? the general rules in the dm guide and player handbook?
>>96698889>Pf2eIm so so sorry for you and your groupI think im currently playing the remaster, from what i understand the old one would work fine, but its quite a bit deadlier. Check the classes and races and stuff against the info on pathbuilder and archives of nethys, because people seem to think the remasters of those are substantial improvements. Not me though, because i think all pathfinder is repulsive
>>96698889Just play Pathfinder 1e. It's a better game. Hell, D&D 5e is better than PF2e and I fucking hate 5e.
>>96698889>after the OGL fiascoLate for the party then. PF2e has a more draconic license now than 5e does.
>>96698889Lol you're so fucking retarded and ignorant that there's no way this post isn't bait
>>96698889Imagine playing the absolute pile of shit that is D&D 5e and then saying to yourself "You know what, D&D 5e wasn't shitty enough. How can I do even worse?"Seriously, get a refund for your books. Pathfinder 2e is all the worst parts of DnD 5e, but now with extra rules-bloat, even slower combat (due to more math), and more trap options that require you to learn an entire build meta if you don't want to suck dick. I can't imagine anyone who actually plays real sessions with real people choosing THIS as their game of choice.
Play 4e instead. It's PF2e but good, unironically. Easier for DMs to learn to run with a better DM book than both 5e and PF1e/2e.
I get that you all hate Pf2e, but how about you answer my damn questions?Don't worry about me I'll figure out quickly enough if the system is actually garabge.I've played some Pf1e already and I don't hate it but I wanna try something new.D&D4e is not a terrible idea, but I hate WotC and I don't want to spend any more time on their products
>>96700256ur fried, man
>>96698889Remaster did a bit of class rebalancing, renaming of stuff, changed stat mods to simple +1s instead of having 12 INT or whatever, and did away with the traditional alignment chart. Mechanics didn't really change, by and large. A couple of specific manuvers were buffed IIRC (Disarm, off the top of my head) but otherwise the game plays mostly the same at the base level. If you're curious about anything changing you can always just double check on Archives of Nethys.
>>96700358ThanksYeah I'm doing that right now
>>96700256You wont get any useful answer outside of the Pathfinder general since people here can only say "system bad" over and over like bots.
>>96699466If you fuck up a PF2E character build you have to be mentally challenged or trying to do so. Not something you should admit to lolIf you don't need to make a spreadsheet: it's a math-lite system>>966996374e has garbage online and software support thanks to the GSL. You might be able to pirate some old software and scrapped DDI databases? Good luck getting that running on a VTT and fully automated As someone who actually ran and played 4e & PF2E. 4e is system is very samey and half the classes are dysfunctional thanks to 4Ee disaster. The entire meta of 4e is nova alpha strike and tied into the adventuring day, if you have Dailies you auto win and if you don't well it's slog. Combat feels like a punishment for bad resource management. It feels very retro in this day and age of really awesome RPG-ina-Box gamesI enjoy PF2E because it's more modern simulationist style 4e where you're not tied into the baked in Adventuring Day and more balanced version of 3.5 with some of it's own elements. Great software support and runs spooky stuff surprising well with it's stealth and perception system
>>96700256The remastered beginners box is fine and the characters are usable with the core rules.PF2E is great because it's software is the best around, there's also a really good VTT version of it on Foundry
>>96700788>>96700848>muh vtt>muh automation>muh softwareplay a fuckin video game
>>96701860We have our laptops with the VTT open anyways because it's 1/100th the price of minis, maps, terrain, endless print outs etc
>>96698889>I hear the rules got remastered?The Remaster was a response to the OGL fiasco. Essentially, they removed, renamed, or redid all elements of the game that could get them in trouble as part of the OGL. An example is flatfooted, this has been renamed to off-guard. It is otherwise entirely the same mechanic. An example of removal is drow, they have been retconned to be a serpentfolk ploy to trick surface dwellers and others. They no longer exist as a race to play or use as monsters. When it comes to mechanics, besides some errata to otherwise enhance or bring to parity various classes, ancestries, magical items, and such, they remained mostly the same. Heres a google spreadsheet with, I think, a comprehensive list of all changes.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YuP3JGjqpLNM2eminGcYZ5sG_V_vzxzd5yhKGR4Kc7Q/edit?gid=1785076980#gid=1785076980The remaster core books are Player Core 1 and 2, Monster Core 1, and GM Core. Player Core 1 & 2 are parts of the Core Rulebook plus Advanced Races Guide and Advanced Players Guide. Beyond this, anything published after the release of the Core books is all Remaster content, with some preRemaster books getting updated Remaster versions. PreRemaster books are still usable to a degree, though books like Secrets of Magic will have large areas that simply do not work anymore, such as the spell school pages.>Is any of the contents of the box still usable?The Beginner Box got a Remaster version.For a list of changes between pre-Remaster beginner box and post-Remaster, refer to this link:https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1b8l79p/the_beginners_box_received_a_stealth_remaster/ktq4ujq/
>>96700565That's a good portion of the posts inside the general too. 2e discussion's been effectively run off the board in the seven years or so since 1e support ended. Same thing happened to D&D4e. Considering that PF1e was originally an off-ramp for D&D3.5 players to continue playing their forever-edition after D&D4e released, and has now itself been supplanted by a newer edition, I wouldn't be shocked if it isn't to some degree literally the same people who chased both 4e and 2e off the board. It is--and I'm not being sarcastic here--legitimately impressive how endless their supply of edition-warring hatred is. Like, the clusterfuck at the beginning of this thread? That's not a system organically failing to generate discussion. It's a topic getting flamed death every time it appears on the board to the point where threads about it become so low-quality and off-topic, and discussion about it becomes so annoying, that people just leave. If you want to actually talk about the game or ask questions and have them answered, /tg/ is not the place to do it. It's kind of shocking that the Paizo general has managed to stay alive at all, considering how incredibly hostile it is to any actual discussion of their flagship game (which still makes up the majority of the posts, just due to the sheer numbers imbalance in the playerbases).
>>96704123Paizo general talks about PF2E most of the time?D&D4e is the talked about all the time too, but they don't have a general because GSL and you have to pirate to play it>literally the same people who chased both 4e and 2e off the board5e drones, they attack anything not 5e. They're same type that pressure their DM to not play anything else
>>96706013The people hating on Pathfinder also hate 5e tho
>>96706035That's fairly normal for 5e players to hate 5e but still play it
>>967007884e works well enough on foundry, although you'll need a v12 install since it hasn't been updated to v13 yet. It also isn't as robust as pf2e foundry but that's to be expected since foundry's pf2e support is insanely good.
>>96706161The entire programming community around pf2e is pretty amazing, the ORC license got all the linux nerds excited I think 4e modules are maintained by like 1 dude, so it's going to take a minute to update
>>96700788This sounds like a TF post.
>>96706142No it's not. 5e players won't shut the fuck up about their gay bird-person bards or quirky sparkling tiefling Warlock. 5e players are the most obnoxious fanboy fuck-dips ever.
>>96700848Yeah I use foundry as well and I love it, any modules you recommend for Pf2e?>>96702979>thanks the tips, I'll look up for a pdf of the remastered version.
>>96698889Play PF1. The only thing I liked about PF2 was that I prefer how they did Magus archetypes over PF1.If you want a better crunchy game. Play games like ACKS II or WWN. I would suggest DC20 if you want a better 5e like game system. Though I admit it's not out yet but I play the beta and loved it so far.
