Mork Borg has spawned a plethora of spin-offs using the same system. I was thinking about buying a book and running it, but my first book would be Cy Borg because cyberpunk is my favorite. That aside, what should I expect from the actual rules that run the game, and your own experiences with it?
>>96703103Style over substance but a lot of substance. And by substance apparently a lot of fucking tables. Also a system so notoriously harsh that they sold characters sheets on a tear away note pad. The definition of a coffee table book.
>>96703103lollmao evenlet me summarize the next week and ~100 posts>it's shit>the author is a fag>tourists summoned to the thread to defend their parasocial relationship disputing the above truth
>>96703103I enjoy the spinoffs more than morkborg itself. Pirateborg, Black Powder & Brimstone and Corp-Borg being my favorites. The games are extremely easy to run, you'll often find that reading the books is more difficult than running them. The games can be deadly, so make sure your players are aware of that.
>>96703103>the same systemWhat fucking system? It's a pathetic art project by posers created to milk tourists. It was never intended to be played. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>96703103There's a lot of bullshit floating around about the system. The actual deadliness is on par with OD&D and very close to AD&D 2nd ed, and those last two often had house rules like "death only at -10 HP" or starting with max HP. Another difference is spell selection: in Mork Borg, they're rolled at random, while in D&D/AD&D, they are chosen by the DM or player. This can also be changed with a house rule.Where the system actually shines is the worldbuilding or its deliberate lack thereof. It's prompt after prompt after prompt, designed to ignite your imagination. The strongest part is the table generators, they seem random at first, but underneath, they're systematic and methodological. Mork Borg isn't a good system for noob GMs, as you'll be creating your own bestiary, items, and abilities. You might roll "Black prism which twists all Powers" when creating a dungeon, and the whole magic system gets shitcanned, leaving it up to you to decide what happens next. It's a toolbox that requires a lot of ttrpg literacy and thinking on your feet.Pirate Borg, I would recommend to everyone, it has the most worked out material and is the easiest to pick upCy_Borg is the middle ground, dense with content but still requires some improvisationMork Borg, I don't know. It's like being on hard drugs, there's nothing else like it, but if you disregard the toolbox aspect, it doesn't offer much more than, say, The Black Hack or any other OSR game, while being pricier and harder to handle than a more ready made alternative
>gamelollmao
>>96703103I'm only familiar with Mork Borg itself, it's fun for one shots or stand alone adventures but I'm not sure I'd use it for trying to run any sort of long term campaign with.B/X is also brutal at low levels but as your character levels up, it's pretty clear there's a progression where it's easy to tell that you can survive more or deal more damage. Mork Borg on the other hand? you can just as easily make a shit roll and have your attributes DECREASE when leveling.
>>96705221>lack of worldbuilding is good>prompt AI
>>96705332It makes use of tropes, like a valley of the undead, a mad king, ancient prophecies, so you don't need to do much fleshing out because you know these archetypes by heart. It has a grimdark coat of paint, but it immediately feels familiar. The way the prompts/cues are built immediately makes you ask the "hows" and "whys". You don't get a pre-packaged world, but something that feels alive, built from gossip and legends where you never know if something is true or not.My favorite rants are from haters who go on for 10-20 minutes about inconsistencies and omissions, when the whole point of the worldbuilding was to trigger your brain to ask those exact questions so you could fill in the blanks. It's working as intended, and in my opinion it's actually brilliant.
>Pretentious Gaeme
>>96703103It’s Mörk, not Mork.
What are the games even likeI go to these threads and they're always 100% pissing and moaning
>>96705296The attributes stabilize within the 3-5 range. In the long run, results of 2 and 6 each occur about 10% of the time, while scores lower than 2 are negligible, like 2-3% of cases. HP increases by d6 per level, but gains become more difficult after a character reaches the 30 HP cutoff point.Stat wise, the system isn't that bad, the main problem is the lack of interesting abilities or spells to unlock at higher levels. The numbers go up, but there's no purpose behind it.
>>96705486There is no game. Mörk Borg is 99% improv which is what almost all tabletop RPG gaming has become.
>>96705486People here piss and moan because the third party license forbids you from publishing racist supplements and then slap the official logo on it. Culture warriors on here finds that triggering.
>>96705678CopeMork Borg is trash. It's a shitty pseudo osr "setting" for midwits and nerds who have never actually read an oldschool book to circlejerk about how cool and cultured they are. As i've said before, Mork Borg is the RPG equivalent of an inner city nerd LARPing as a working class country person so they buy a pair of overalls and a carhatt jacket and $400 dollar pair of boots and think that's what being country is like. It's not the product of a bunch of punks and nerds and metalheads making an rpg out of passion and love(as its creators want you to think), it's a corporate product aping a grungy faux metal edgy aesthetic without actually being edgy or metal. Mork Borg is the same as a multi million dollar company selling a battle jacket with pins and punk patches and anarchy painted over the back; it isn't genuine. It's dishonest. It talks about being edgy and dark and gorey and weird yet on another page it rallies against any "sexism" and "rascism" and "transphobia", which actual oldschool punks and nerds gave no shits about. It appeals to bugmen and midwits who think shitty art and design equals a cool obscure punk aesthetic. It appeals to retards who never used the word "zine" before finding the word on wikipedia and suddenly start making their own shitty "zines" for their shitty osr products.Mork Borg isn't even an rpg", it's a shitty artbook for people to put on their coffee tables to wow their other bugmen friends about how cool and niche they are for owning mork borgWhat OSRfags don't get is that oldschool rpg art and oldschool rpgs in general wasn't designed to look like shit on purpose. It wasn't designed to look amateur, it was the product of amateurs with passion. Mork borg is the opposite of that. It's a clinical, utterly soulless "RPG" that pretends to be something that it isn't. That's why is shit and utterly irredeemable for anybody with an ounce of taste
>>96705828hate Mork Borg because it's Reddit: the RPG. Standard shitty retroclone that imitates oldschool aesthetics. It's the $20 Patek Phillipe imitation, the Chrysler 300 with Bentley badge, Ready Player One wrapped in Ulysses dust cover. A book by fedora for fedoras. It's the quintessential pseud rpg. A pedestrian easily accessible basic clone covered in several coats of faux punk paint and featuring just enough quasi-philosophical meandering to turn away both the ones looking for a fun adventure and those looking for a serious game - it has become the Holy Grail of pseuds. Quite obviously more mentally stimulating than 5E, yet never as much as to take the viewer out of the comfort zone of the usual RPG mechanics and babby's first existential crisis - it's the perfect cultural artifact to attach to for someone desperately longing for the image of "thinking man" or "intellectual", while not actually being interested in challenging their own thoughts or developing authentic taste. It's an rpg for smart-but-lazy dropouts, for young adults who sincerely use the word "normie", for men with "So it goes" tattoos rereading Hitchhiker's Guide for the third time, for community college freshmen that write posts starting with "as an engineer", for "I love Nietzsche! Nihilism, fuck yeah!" people, for those that have buried themselves so deep in irony so they can't even be honest with themselves anymore. The sort who will make fun of ham-fisted Black Mirror VR episodes in one thread and expunge upon "deep" connotations of holographic waifu in 8000 character multiposts in another, the sort who get off on reddit gold received for their standard issue incoherent teenage "philosophizing" dreck spiced with 'human condition' and 'Hegelian dialectic', the enlightened-by-their-own-intelligence crowd.
>>96705828>>96705833I know this is pasta, but what is it specifically about Mork Borg that makes it the designated target for every dimwit to have an opinion on? The fun is drained the second these people start writing thinkpieces.>Pearse Anderson, writing for The Guardian, called it a "headbanger of a game that is the latest example of the fertile cross-pollination between tabletop role-playing and extreme metal: a love letter to the hellraising imagery, lyrics, and album art of metal."[5]Is it literally just the graphic design? Is it because it won some awards so now it's "critically acclaimed" and therefore safe for them to talk about? I'm genuinely trying to understand the mechanism here.
>>96706055Because despite the pasta being stale it hits the nail on the headMork Borg along withb turnip28 and blanchitsu crap is the defintion of safe edgy. the art is intentionally bad rather than like original D&D art being drawn by bad artists who were trying to be good and putting their heart and soul into their workthe creators of mork borg don't even listen to metal music lmao. and it's pretty much confirmed that they shill mork borg on /tg/ and pay mods to delete posts critical of it
>>96706103It's not edgier than Dark Souls or Darkest Dungeon. I thought the whole edginess thing was just pushed by critics and people parroting secondhand opinions, didn't realize the creators themselves were leaning into it. That's frankly super gay.
>>96705555So what dnd originally was?
>>96703103It’s so ridiculously edgy and dark that it ends up being very fun, especially when coming off 5e. The problem is there’s not enough rules to support a long campaign. And while there is a good amount of third-party content it’s, well hit or miss in terms of quality. So it’s a good “emergency game” if not enough people show up to game night for your regular game. But it’ll collapse under its own weight if you try to run a proper campaign on it.
>>96706225You never played D&D in your life if you think that's what it was. That's certainly what it has become now.
>>96706184"It's metal" is an immediate "not once, ever" for me. Metalheads are white trash. Seems like poorly thought-out advertising.
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>>96706225D&D was originally Chainmail.
The only thing I really have to contribute to this thread is that it's apparently pronounced something like "Murk Boary"
>>96703103You can find the plain text version of the game on their website. https://morkborg.com/content/ (Scroll down to the "Bare bones" edition)When you strip away the aggressively obnoxious, tryhard graphic design vomit, you're left with some pretentious faggot's minimalist OSR meat grinder and some ideas that sound cool as microfiction than they are in practice. The system isn't amazing, but it's not the worst thing I've ever seen either, because it's just basic d20 mechanics with a heaping pile of edgelord bullshit and attempts at obtuse Dark Souls flavor text.
>>96707046The thing about OSR to me is I always just find myself going 'why not just play Basic or AD&D?" Don't even have to feel bad about pirating them, since the oy veyers who own the licenses spit on their creators' graves.
>>96707046Also, Cy_borg is really not that good. People like to mention it because "mork borg but cyberpunk" sounds cool, but their execution is so overloaded with bullshit and extraneous viruses that it hardly feels like cyberpunk. And that's before you see that the layout is 10 times as aggressive as MB is, so it's even harder to just read the fucking thing, let alone use it to quickly make characters.
>>96707093I went through Cy_Borg and Cyberpunk RED side by side, looking for things the first one might be missing, and it turned out to be complete and self contained, with additional content like nanobots, cults, and generators you'd normally find only in the sourcebooks. The main difference is whether you want full blown netrunning or 2077-style quick hacks. Overall, not bad for such a tiny book.I have a hard time enjoying the cyberpunk setting anymore because I can't dissociate from the violence. Violence in fantasy is one thing, but cyberpunk's modern aesthetic makes it hit too close to home, and it just turns my stomach. Blade Runner is still cool, though.
>>96707316>but cyberpunk's modern aesthetic makes it hit too close to homeI get where you're coming from. The way I'm able to handle it is to just imagine that the world is like the Grand Theft Auto games, but with more neon.
>>96706552Ok prancing la-la homo man music enthusiast
>>96706690Correctish yes
>>96706184>>96706552Anyone who feels the need to describe themselves as "metal" never is.
>>96706055>Is it literally just the graphic design?Yes. Funniest part is the guy who did their art is a bit of a chud.
>>96703103I'm more interested in Cy_Borg than Mörk Borg, especially after being let down by the direction Cyberpunk RED is going in. The very mention of either game seems to make some people on /tg/ pants-shittingly mad, for some reason, which I consider to be a plus.
>>96706055Yes. I mean, I'm in the minority that doesn't hate it, but the gist of the thing is the aesthetics. The system is something you've seen one thousand time.(I suppose it's not only in the graphical aspects but the tables of generic badness, but this is style as well in the end).
>>96703124The real "substance" of -borg games is really adventure modules made by fans and shared freely via itchio.
The most damning thing I've ever heard said about Mork Borg Hefenshurfen Swedish Chef noises:>The way I'd describe Mork Borg is 'OSR as ran through the filter of a hyper-violence anime'>Characters explode into organs at the slightest touch, ect. As such there's little to no weight to death since 'Fuck it, my character is a walking corpse anyway'>And so the only options to play it long term are full edgelord or full comedy.>Every game of Mork Borg wants to be Berserk, but in reality it's always devolves into either Corpse Party or Dokuro-Chan.And anyone who says 'Oh but it's meant to be like that, it's a comedy-' is huffing copium deep and hard.
>>96710903>And anyone who says 'Oh but it's meant to be like that, it's a comedy-' is huffing copium deep and hard.Regardless of what one’s opinions of the actual game part of the game is the rulebooks tone is clearly tongue in cheek.
>>96703103This book is bad. It's just a sequence of random rules and tables and on some pages in a barely discernibly format. I thought it looked neat, only to read through it and realize that fact, then showed it to a friend who had the same reaction after looking through it properly. At first I wished there was a clearly readable and formatted rulebook version to whatever this art book is supposed to be, only to come to the conclusion, they likely specifically did it like this, because otherwise everyone would immediately realize how much nothing is in there. There are some sections that start out fine and then it seems like whoever wrote those just gave up half-way through, suddenly leaving information out or stopping entirely, and then just went on to whatever idea for a table or half-baked mechanic they had on the next page over.
>>96710903That's more of an accurate assessment of Break!! instead of Mork Borg. Mork Borg is a black metal art book as a campaign setting with an excuse ruleset stapled to it.
I enjoy Borg-ish things
Order came in for my store today. Glad to see it's a popular product!
I think this might be the most blatant advertising thread I've ever seen that wasn't just some faggot posting his youtube channel
>>96703103Mork Borg has a cool coverthat's about all I can say about it
>>96711311Mork Borg is too old to waste time shilling it if you're not an actual fan posting about it earnestly.
>>96703103I read the book and played a one-shot of cy_borg recently and here's what I got out of it.>The goodIt's fun to play an edgy over the top character who talks in cheesy one liners. The abilities provided in the game can have surprisingly fun use cases. most things that are listed in a book are in a pseudo-table as they conveniently come in sets that you can roll for (6 classes, 12 drugs, 12 new apps etc), so if you want to randomize something it's straight forward.>The badThe game's system feels completely disconnected from the kind of world it's trying to portray. Combat was an absolute fucking slog with the way it was balanced. The setting of the game is too nihilistic and hopeless to justify making a fleshed out character that you're attached to. The game's world-ending self destructive gimmick seems like something that would grow old really really fast. It's really hard to use the book as reference on account of how messy it is (and that is by design). I recognize it's supposed to be a "rules light" game but the few rules it has have no spine to hold the game up. This is why, in my opinion, there's so many different iterations of the "-borg" games, because the rules at the core of it are so disconnected from what the game is trying to be and they serve nothing. If you like the setting and the atmosphere you could easily just grab the lore and slap it on a better game and you'd be better off for it. I had a fun time with it (minus the combat) but I don't see how one could justify playing this game more than once in your life. Hell, even the game itself seems to kind of recognize that fact, what with the "burn this book after you're done with your campaign" rule
>>96705486>What are the games even likeRoll a d20. On 1-10 you die. On 11-20 you suffer but win. Sometimes you might get a +1 from gear/spells/weird powers. Sometimes you get a -1 from bad stuff happening. It's an almost random system.
>>96711116Don't ever use the words black metal again faggot
>>96712657Black Metal.
>>96710700The closest I've come to playing mörk borg was playing endless horrors which is supposed to be based on mörk borg, but it's more of a skirmish game.I mostly DM 5e, unfortunately, but I always make the settings and scenarios myself. Would you say it's about as easy for players to pickup as DnD? I'd like to branch out and they never read the rules anyway. Think it's worth giving it a shot?
Easy to run, easy to play. Combat system keeps all players engaged at all times. Unpredictable and swingy, which may or may not be your thing. Lots of third party content but only 20% of it is worth using.
>>96710903>Dokuro-ChanI will now buy your game.
>>96705828>steal black metal aesthetics>no muh heckin racismo!!!What a buffoon.
>>96714041Pic very much relevant
>>96703103I like Mork Borg for one reason and one reason alone:While it's set up to be a "horror" game, there is NO fucking insanity or fear mechanic that just fucks over your characters for simply looking at an inanimate skeleton or dead body or whatever.
>>96712657This guy is a genre tourist who only listens to like Burzum and ignores every other early black metal band being a bunch of goofy nerds who partied hard.
>>96714041>black metal has to be racistThat only started to become a thing after Lords of Chaos was written as neo-nazi propaganda.
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>>96703260Can you elaborate a bit on brimstone? It's got an awesome artstyle, is there anything to the game itself?
>>96714094The only way it could be better is if Chur Wightmail was revealed to be Hispanic
>>96705828While we do make fun of that disclaimer in every thread, it is actually really fucking pathetic that they felt the need to write something like that. These people want to write a grim and edgy sword&sorcery, but they would have conniptions if they sat down and read a Conan story.
>>96714183I appreciate them laying out guidelines for what they'll reject instead of silently dismissing people's hard work without justification.
Does black metal have racist undertones or something? Why are people mad?
>>96714268>Why are people mad?Because Mork Borg is a glorified art book with a few RPG rules.
>>96714277So what?
>>96714286You asked why people are mad. I answered.
>>96714293Mythic Bastionland has a similar level of crunch/focus on artwork/random tables and I never see anyone hate on it half as much as mork borg.
>>96705828It's hilarious to me that one little bit of text is enough to send Anons on /tg/ rabid. You people are just as sensitive as those you make fun of.
>>96714268Because black metal is meant to be an extremely edgy genre.Look at the names of the most popular bands, here I'll pick a few; Blasphemy, Gorgoroth, Rotting Christ, Dissection, Judas Iscariot, Vlad Tepes, Bathory, HellhammerThe entire style of Black Metal is being an edgy, edgy boi who wears pentacles and pentagrams, corpse paint and cock piercings, it's all pointy bits and fuck you dad I'm a Satanist now.Which was fine for being edgy back in the day when Christian wine moms were the moral arbiters of society, you can't fucking believe how offense song titles like 'Glorification of the Black God', ''Thine is the Kingdom' and 'Baby eaters of New Babylon' were when sung by dudes soaked in goat blood and Finnish paganism were back in the day.But know who the moral arbiters are in the current era?The 'Don't be racist, don't be sexist, don't be a heckin' chud' crowd.The 'Blue haired HR nanny who speaks entirely in corpospeak' team.The 'It's called being a decent person, now let me get you fired for not agreeing with me' crew.And Mork Borg has, without a shred of self awareness, irony or shame about it, latched itself like a lamprey to the cocks of such people and started violently sucking away while working the shaft with both hands.It isn't just safe, it's pro-establishment in its treatment of the moral standards of our era.It isn't against the status quo, it worships at the altar of it, preaches at the pulpit and hands around the donation plate.
>>96714536Where's the transgression in Mork Borg?Where's the 'The more you tell me it's immoral and wag your finger, the more I'm going to do it. Why? Because I reject you and your preachy moralizing, that's why' attitude?Where's the fucking boundary pushing?You know what you are if you steal the aesthetics of something but don't follow through on the concepts behind it? If you're talking the talk but not walking the walk? If you're claiming to be edgy but won't actually do anything edgy?You're a poseur.Edgy as a safety scissor.Something without a point.It's not a good black metal game for the reasons listed above, it's not a good OSR game because of it being basically generic OSR without any particular spices or twists thrown in on it and its misunderstanding of what OSR is about (Anyone that thinks OSR is 'Heckin' lethal bro' is outing themselves as a retard from the off), it's not even a well put together RPG since the book itself is a mess made by someone who clearly thinking more about aesthetics than usability.Mork Borg is completely inauthentic and untrue to itself every step of the way and once you notice that you can't unnotice it.It makes it contemptible; the Christian Rock RPG of our age and once the veneer peels off all you're left with is 'How do you do, fellow kids, buy CorpoSlop: Black and Spiky edition please :)'
>>96714567LotFP is edgier than Mork Borg and that's just because the guy making it has been so mired in the shit he writes for so long that he probably couldn't switch it off if someone offered him a Superyacht full of Supermodels to turn it down a notch. Say what you like about Reggie, but he is who he is and is entirely authentic about his scat-themed shenanigans. He's not even got to think about it when he makes shit like The God That Crawls, it's as natural to him as breathing because he's the real McCoy.Shit, I'm not even saying that it needs to come with a free copy of the Turner Diaries or some shit, but something, anything, to make it more than the writers Californicating a well established sub-culture and proclaiming their safe edgy bullshit to be 'The Trve Way' would be nice.And to make my point, here's me making a setting edgier than anything that Mork Borg includes in a single paragraph:>A pirate RPG set in hell where the players are the souls of great mass murderers and criminals through the ages, attempting to kidnap the souls being ferried to heaven. And yes, you can play Chinese Warlords, Japanese Warcriminals, Hatian rebel slaves, Waffen SS or an individual serial killer as long as your bodycount was double digits. And no, you can't just make someone up you little bitch, you research an actual monster from history or a massacre that happened somewhere at some point and you play someone that was directly involved. Here's a list of demons that can be your patron and boats that you can afford/other things you can buy with your starting favour. Now go forth in your bedevil marked ironclad, for the tithe has to be paid if you're going to remain privateers for the lords of hell.
>>96710645>Funniest part is the guy who did their art is a bit of a chud.like how?
>>96711369Nah, they're here forever.
>>96714536>>96714567>>96714588This is an odd rant. Why do you think the game aping black metal should be anti-establishment when you admit black metal is no longer anti-establishment? If anything you're just confirming my suspicions; the hate for this game is just a side-effect of culture war brainrot.
>>96714316NTAYRT Mythic Bastionland is advertised a lot less aggressively and made by a guy who actually enjoys and designs games with notable thought. Not always games I like or ideas I agree with but he's in it because he cares about the hobby. Mork Borg is just artfuck slop.
>>96714268You're the top half of >>96714094You fit together. Anyone who actually likes the topic you're shitting over has left. You're just culture vultures looking for the next thing to yell at each other about while pretending you don't understand what's going on.
>>96714588Oh and before anyone asks 'LotFP, what are you on about, it's just blood and poop though?'Having a woman get brutalized as a main thematic element of your book is very much boundary pushing, throwing in groups like the Knights of Science aren't heckin' Neil DeGrasse Tyson but rather dogmatic retards who are physically incapable of processing viewpoints they disagree with, ect, ect, are all little nose thumbs at the morality of the day.I mean fuck, writing a book called 'Zak Had Nothing To Do With This Book' because the creators of Lancer pulled an 'Any award that wins a book made by this man is one we're not attending' over it (The faggots) is publicly and openly grinding on the edge of progressive morality doing sick kickflips while flicking the bird with both hands.Not my cup of tea (Apart from the reprint of Carcosa, love me some Carcosa), but I'll always respect the author for having the gumption to slap his balls down on the table, press a hammer into the waiting hands of those attempting to get him to apologize to them and going 'Go on fucker, let's see which cracks first, your slender, effete wrist or my testicles'>>96714658If that's what you took from what I said then you're only interested in what you already believe to be true.Fuck off back to your ideological equivalent of the Christian Soccer moms Boxowine, 24 Hour Christian TV network and Prosac-a-day, the rest of us are having adult talk.
>>96714670I've never seen ads for either game desu. Have you met the creators of both games? You speak as though you know them well.
>>96714699>If that's what you took from what I said then you're only interested in what you already believe to be trueMaybe you're just illogical and bad at writing.
>>96713257>>96714100Dang, sounds like it's worth giving it a shot, or at least read the rulebook myself and decide.
>>96714094>someone ripped off my Lord Death Murderkill greentextLmao. I hope Lord Death Murderkill haunts Mork Borg until it completely fades out of existence.
>>96714897Plain text version of the rules is free to download on their site. They assume you're already familiar with running rpgs, so expect a lot of abbreviations. You may not get along with the illustrated rules as the layout throws some people.
>>96703103>Mork Borg has spawned a plethora of spin-offs using the same systemMork Borg itself is just a spin-off of the 1 page rpg's people used to make on reddit for years, turned into a shitty low-rent punk-esque D&D spin-off marketed as a super edge and hardcore game, that is surprisingly not edgy, nor hardcore.Just about the only thing it's good for is a novelty game with a few people you happen to have some free time with, no plans for the next 2 or 3 hours, and who are also interested in rules-light RPG's... So very niche. It doesn't handle long campaigns well, it doesn't handle depth or variety well, and it doesn't do anything outside of its niche particularly well either, without basically creating an entirely new rules system to accommodate it.It's an over-ambitious RPG without any substance to support its ambitions, by a couple of swedish dorks who are incapable of creating an actually good game.Not even mentioning the poserish style of the game as a whole.
>>96705375Right, so it's cliche'd, vague, and has no depth. Great game you got there.
>>96714658>the hate for this game is just a side-effect of culture war brainrot.That pretty much sums up this board in its current state (when it's not being raped by bots, of course).
>>96706625You're even stupider than the other guy. Chainmail 100% had absolutely nothing to do with D&D, faggot. Gary lifted a few rules abstractions from Chainmail, his earlier, failed wargame, and inserted them into D&D, the framework of which he took from Dave Arneson.
>>96706552Right, because if there's one thing the hobby of RPG's is known for, it's the posh upper class white fenced neighborhood aesthetic.
>>96714041>steal black metal aesthetics>call it doom metal aesthetics
>>96714567>You know what you are if you steal the aesthetics of something but don't follow through on the concepts behind it? >If you're talking the talk but not walking the walk? >If you're claiming to be edgy but won't actually do anything edgy?>You're a poseur.>Edgy as a safety scissor.>Something without a point.
I've played a few games of this and one long campaign hexcrawl. Its fine, but it sucks for long-term play. The way you "level" is terrible. This wouldn't be so bad if you weren't encouraged to roll your only ability, which is anything from a joke just to reference a shitty song that is completely useless to something with multitiered tables attached that is useful every turn. There are a lot of third party support for this game and it's overwhelmingly garbage. Signal lost the war to noise.
The only interesting thing is the PCs roll Defense to see if an attack hits them instead of the DM rolling to attack.
>>96714536>>96714567So in the end all there is to the whining about Mork Borg is a thirteen year old boy crying because the adult world doesn’t take his infantile nonsense seriously.
>>96715180The Limp Bizkit of TTRPGs.
>>96715180Stop replying to yourself.
>>96715339Levelling is optional. Character progression should primarily come from loot, injuries, mutations, etc. Campaigns are intended to be short. After all, the world is ending.
>>96715404>Maturity = Growing into an old faggotMaybe if you believe that you shouldn't be trying to make money off of 'immature' things, you miserable, cynical, corporatized lackwit?I'm sure your RPG about being an egoless no-name taxcattle with a 9-5 will sell clappers.And I say that as a professional auditor, but unlike you I apparently don't live the stereotype like it's a virtue.
>>96714652Pelle Nilsson's been an active fa/tg/uy since the Warhammer Wednesday raids. He gets a pass.
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>>96715085It's an idea generation engine. It takes that whole "draw maps, leave blanks, ask questions, play to find out" storygame approach but makes it work by codifying it with the same kind of tools OD&D used. Everything about it, from the tables to the layout, feels like it was designed with clinical precision just to force your brain cells to fire off cool shit.Or maybe it is indeed pretentious artfaggotry, and I'm just reading too much into it.
>>96714708The creator for mythic bastionland and into the odd used to post on /osrg/ regularity, had a discord, posts weekly about their game designs and blogs. Borkbort was shilled here aggressively during launch year and their social media is not subtle or hard to find.
>>96715890Neat. Post screencaps.
>>96717687Sounds like they both promote their games to a similar level then. Which is good, I enjoy both.
>>96718059Sounds like you're either too retarded to notice difference or retarded enough to pretend then. Which is good, I enjoy your ineptitude.
>>96716917>it's an idea generation engineI have Chatgpt for that.
>>96718099You said they both post here and both use social media. If there's a meaningful difference you haven't made it clear.
>>96715404Ironic, since Mork Borg is infantilizing edginess.
>>96718178>infantilizing edginessDumbest thing I've read all week.
>>96718059I think the thing of it is that one side was here to begin with and promoted their work in their community after going professional, whereas Nilsson or whoever only came on to shill despite not only never being part of the culture but actively hostile to it.
>>96718220Bold words from someone whose birth was the real low point in their family’s decision-making.
>>96718220That's because you're too fuckin' stupid for this conversation.You look at a discussion about the Californication/Disneyification of even the most wild and out there sub-cultures, the homogenization of all of society to be as aggressively gay and lame as it can be and then you throw your sippy cup off the high chair, dribble down your spill apron, shake your head until the propeller on your safety helmet starts going and go 'But me no understand why this big deal, you people stoopiud'Is there any particular reason that any of us should respect your opinion on the matter apart from the fact you're an expert on being stupid, though, unfortunately, not an expert in identifying it apparently?
>>96714094I have no idea whether this pic is satirizing wokies, or satirizing groypers...
>>96718343Both. The two extremes that are both so clownish and overwrought in their attempts to signal their ideological purity to imaginary extremists, and none of them actually play games.
>>96714536This
>>96718286Ouch. I guess I touched a nerve.>>96718306And what the fuck are you even talking about?
>>96718241So it's less to do with whether or not the designer is a genuine black metal/ttrpg fan, and more to do with whether or not the designer is a genuine fa/tg/uy?>>96718343Then it succeeds.
>>96703103IMO, it's a subpar system. It's a little too "rules lite" for me as well as just not being very fun to play.If you're looking for cyberpunk games that are more rules lite, I could recommend "Perfect World." It's based "Cairn" and plays very smooth. It's a little too "lite" but the game is easy to graft on the things I think are missing.If you're looking for a little more meat, I can suggest "Neon Blood." It's a d20 with a lot of feel of 3e but cleaned up. It's my favorite new cyberpunk game.Another solid hitter IMO is "Zaibatsu" for Zozer games. (I mention the publisher here because there's more than one game with this title.) It used the 2d6 Traveller/Cepheus Engine core mechanics. It's targeted at being "runners" working for Japanese conglomerates but it's easy to use the "Hostile" books to widen it out for a greater variety of game play.
>>96714588This just makes me want a Vampire Chevalier Requiem game.
>>96718911>Vampire Chevalier RequiemFuck yeah, give me that shit. Now that's the kind of edgelordery that's actually fun.
>>96718536>And what the fuck are you even talking about?>He said in response to a post calling him a retard who is too stupid to understand anythingQED
>>96707367>>96707316You two are faggots
>>96719350Going from no-guns to freedom-enjoyer did that to me. After seeing the absolute carnage a simple round does, I get a genuine sense of unease watching heroes spray bullets down crowded streets. In the same way, actually being in protest crowds and seeing the reality, the junkies, the mental instability, the guys hitting on teens, completely killed the heroic punk rocker fantasy for me. It's like my tolerance for idealistic bullshit just evaporated. Guess I'm just getting old and square and gay.
>>96719062Could've just said that instead of the long-winded, meandering drivel you actually wrote. Maybe try huffing glue or paint instead of your own farts.
>>96705828Funny. I have the exact same feeling about Cyberpunk RED.
>>96714277As opposed to the original D&D release that was a few rpg rules and literally nothing else.
>>96714519Because it reads like some retard on a mascot fursuit saying "hey kids, stay in school, don't do drugs and read the bible!" in the middle of a metal concert. It's Jack Chickian, and shills refuse to understand so because they still haven't left the plantation. It is retarded like the adnd 2e demon name changes, and evokes the same drone mentality of censor-happy boomers who think fantasy is real because their pastor said so.It's also a worse game than chatgpt + 1d4chan homebrews.
>>96720701>like the ADND 2E demon name changesHardly. They did that because some retards went into the sewers and one of them fucking died in there and they needed to get rid of all the bad press from dipshit midwesterners shitting their pants about their kids buying books with demons in them.Morkborg is an unequivocal ass-raising cuck book asking for niggers to come and fuck their shit in.The two are not the same.
>>96720701I know you have a lot of complex emotions about this, but it's literally just the creators saying "don't slap our name on your Xphobic rant". Have you ever considered you may have pathological demand avoidance?
>mission: you're a bloodhound sniffing for a single drop of woke, and you're thirsty>source: not the game, the publisher's legal disclaimer>scan the document no human reads>target acquired: one meaningless, boilerplate phrase about "respect" written by some HR intern in 2018>BINGO>pupils dilate, heart pounding, the outrage secured
>>96718135Good to know you're brainless. Thanks for confirming.
>>96721063>how dare they say that?>don't they care about freedom of speech?
Mork Borg ain't bad. I've been running it for a year or so now.>No long campaign rant.Characters grow to be on par with the basic set but eventually get beefier HP.>No rules for melee damage.Slap whatever you want on there. One handed? Add half Str bonus. 2 handed add full Str bonus. Plus you have Omens to really boost damage. Steal whatever else from wherever else.>Not enough character customization.Here I thought OSR style was about being abstract about those things. If you want more then add feats or whatever.>Muh unreadable bookThe physical book is designed to be difficult to a point. It's part of the joke. There's a text version for free.>Muh shitty art.When you can do better then post art. Imagine disliking artwork.>No magicThere's 20 or so spells. Fill in the rest as needed and use the ones provided as a guideline.>vague spell descriptionsFigure out if it goes in a line, cone, etc. You know? Mid brained shit.>Can't have my niggerjew killing - submissive christian wife rape gauntlet dungeon!I like that the entire statement isn't posted. Also if you were a REAL white culture warrior you'd know that they're based in Ye Olde Scandinavia. The government would knock sternly several times before arresting them and putting them in a Clockwork Orange style "Re-Education" program.>Monsters have no infoThey have hitpoints and damage for attacks. Is it a fat goblin? It probably runs as slow as Divorced and Dungeons before his boomer back discs slip out of place.Do you really need to know that Trolls ejaculate diamond dust at 2.22am on a roll of 6 or more on Sunturdays? Half of the info in monster manual isn't relevant 95% of the time.Also make your own monsters.
>>96720781>retarded shit gets blown out of proportion by subhuman ideological zealots, who must be then appeased by in-book disclaimersIt's the exact same thing, just swap midwesterners for modern audiences.>>96720998>it's literally just the creators saying "don't slap our name on your satanic rant".Yeah, it's the same satanic panic from yore, but instead of devils they now fear misgendering.
>>96720359That was then. This is now. TTRPGs have developed and gotten better. We don't need to backstep.
>>96721276High effort bait, have a (you).
>>96721302>instead of devils they now fear misgendering.And Nazis. Don't forget the Nazis.
>>96721323>Tanaz'zisHere, now you can have nazis published in your morkborg spinoff
>>96716917It's a bunch of random tables that you could pull off an OSR blog for free. If it inspires you to do cool shit - great, but that's a consequence of your imagination going and perhaps speaks more to a lack of any other stimulation your imagination is getting. It's selling you bottled water - it will slake your thirst if all you've been drinking is soda, but you could also just drink water to begin with.
>>96716917>It's an idea generation engineYou described a functioning brain. I guess that's why morkborg players usually sound like their own scarecrows.
>>96721302>>96721323>>96721333
>>96721409Is /tg/ actually complaining about spark tables? Like come on man, quit playing with me. Be real right now. There is no way you're saying that with a straight face. I see those beautiful eyes of yours twinkling. This is surely a ruse, a jape. Ever the trickster aren't we anon?
>>96721333Fucking zozzle, almost spat out my drink
>>96721368The absolute state of Gygaxian lists is that they hand you stuff like "Dagger +1", whereas here it's like micro stories, an anchor - a sensory detail that grounds the players in the fiction, a twist something that breaks expectations, a hook - some temptation that baits their player-autism into needing to mess with something, and escalation - what happens when they poke the thing. It's like comparing lego bricks to wooden blocks.
>>96720701It's nothing like what you're describing. You're just a faggot with culture war brain rot who needs something to be mad about.
>>96718927Leave it to the French. I don't even know what system I'd use for it. And I'm positive my regular players would not want to play the worst monsters in hell, lol. Well, one of them might.
>>96721653>It's nothing like what you're describing.No, it's exactly like that, the only difference is you agree with it.You don't see it as tone deaf and cringe for the same reason a Christian Pastor won't admit shit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE is.Because deep down? You don't see the thing for itself.You see a tool that spreads your ideological position.When what any rational human being sees preachy retards being cringe.>B-bu-but I'm not a-Yeah, I'm sure you're not buddy-retard-pal, but funny how you immediately reach for the thought terminating cliche of 'culture war brain rot' rather than explaining why people are wrong on this specific point, the same was the God-fondlers would reach for 'Satanist' rather than go 'Alright, maybe Motley Crew aren't Satanic'.
>B-But the creator said trans rights or something! get a load of these nogames faggots
>>96721653>faggot with culture war brain rotLike I said, Jack Chickian, you are as preachy of a cunt as any pastor. I don't need something to be and about, I just find your lack of awareness amusing.
>>96721653>You're just a faggot with culture war brain rot who needs something to be mad about."The only reason you don't approve of my bullshit is that you're secretly a Goddless Satanist who is slampigging for Lucifer himself."
>this heartbreaker is bad because it's too stylish
>>96721795Finish the sentence nerd.>...and is devoid of substanceYou see how that changes what's being said a little bit?
>>96714536>>96714658>>96714268It's rather because a ton of the early Norwegian artists were racists, especially Varg Vikernes, who is basically in the top 3 most influential black metal artists of all time, and who so greatly influenced the genre that everything after him is a footnote to his own work.So it's just nonsensical to use the aesthetic of black metal or to try to exclude that side of things when it's so prominent.
>>96721801nogames
>>96721709Listen here you pretentious, fart-huffing pseud. You unbearable fucking cunt. It's a setting based on the premise "what if the world depicted in black/doom metal album covers/lyrics was real?".That's it. It's that fucking simple. You are overthinking it to fuck and trying to link it back to real-world politics because you are a brain-boiled culture warrior with a total lack of self awareness.Show me some lyrics/artwork pertaining to the genre that in any way relates to trannies or commies or similar tiresome bullshit. I'd love to see it.All your ideas about what the setting represents or what it ought to do are fueled entirely by your own autistic word association mindgames that are a symptom of your baffling worldview.It's a game based on a simple premise. It's satirical. It's goofy.Get the fuck over yourself you boring wankstain.
NOOOOO I THOUGHT THIS WAS MY HOBBY YOU CAN'T TELL ME NAZIS AREN'T WELCOME GARY GYGAX WAS IN THE HITLER YOUTH
>>96721829
>>96703103>using the same systemMoerg Boerg has a system?
>>96721824>A-bloo-bloo-bloo, stop pointing out that I'm more full of bullshit than a cattle ranch silage pool, it's making me the big sad ;_;How about you suck a cock until you choke to death on it instead Spicy-boi? You're getting angry because you know I'm fucking well right about you and yours.>Show me the lyrics about trannies, commies, ec-If they're completely irrelevant to the discussion why are you and the author bringing them up? That's the question people keep asking and that you're avoiding.You, are the people who can't put down the real world politics and ideology, you can't just make a black metal RPG, oh no-no-no, it has to be a incwusive-UwU one the same way that, again, the Christians couldn't make a game devoid of Christianity, instead they make DragonRaid.The fact you can't even comprehend the idea of secularism, of leaving your politics at the door and not mentioning 'By the way, don't do a heckin' Sexism guys :)' because you've bestowed unto yourselves universal moral authority in all things would be wild if it wasn't the DeFacto position of your entire ideology at this point.You can call other people names all you like, but you're the one coming in here with demands everyone else kow-tow to your good and godly self and heaven forfend that anyone does anything that disagrees or takes offense for your demands on how they play their fucking games at their fucking table when you're not even fucking present am I right?
>>96721928Name one ttrpg that is known for endorsing themes of sexism, racism, homophobia, or transphobia.
>>96721709>>96721773>>96721784You guys have to be trolling at this point.
>>96721928It's the creator's property. They have every right to decide what bears its name. End of. They could say "we won't accept third party content that features decaffeinated coffee" and that would be fine.Yet somehow you feel they're beholden to tolerate certain real-world themes. What's more, some of these associations exist only in your own mind.You're delusional.
>>96721824And since talking about this clearly hurts you on a deep, emotional level, let me say something beyond the scope of Mork Borg, just a special little present for a special little boy;You are cringe.The things you believe are cringe.The religion you have built for yourself in the absence of anything else to worship is cringe.The only reason you got anywhere was because you weaponized empathy and used most folks being better people than you against them, which is even more cringe.The fact you, once you'd overdrawn at the compassion bank and maxed out the empathy card, decided to use social violence instead, demanding that people just lie down and let you kick them to death while insisting they apologize for getting blood on their shoes in the process is worse than cringe, it's evil.And the reality that despite all your inane faggotry, the threats, the bullying, the cancelling and the manipulating, people, in their hearts, still didn't buy what you were selling because you demanded everything from them and so the second they saw someone, anyone, say no to you and weather the storm, you were left with nothing is bordering on its own classical Greek Tragedy, a fresh new tale of the Hubris of man.All you had to do, at any point in the past 20 or so years was give any slight indication that you could be reasoned with.That you were willing to compromise or treat others as human beings rather than objects to enforce your will on.Fuck, all you had to do was leave people alone.But you haven't, didn't and couldn't, so now you can just sit there and get big, salty bitch tears over the fact people aren't willing to put up with even a spoonful of your sewage mixed in with whatever you're trying to sell and no amount of raging at the heavens is going to stop the Chorus from singing of your fall.You are Icarus.And you are in free fall.Cope louder about it faggot.
>>96721814Thank you for conceding.
>>96722045Overthinking again, I see. You've not only completely missed the mark, you've played your hand and exposed your bias.For you, this isn't about crunch. It's not about authenticity. It's not even about freedom of expression. It's about you feeling called out.If it wasn't so funny, it'd be sad.
>>96721824>It's a setting based on the premise "what if the world depicted in black/doom metal album covers/lyrics was real?".That already existed. It was called Dark Sun. It was also attached to an actual roleplaying system (and later, an analog MMO, but let's not talk about that).
>>96722170So?
>>96718161If there's no meaningful difference between here and other social media fuck off to other social media.
>>96720998>everything I don't like is a psychological issue we can fix to be more things I like by medicating them cope more, trying to shame people with armchair housewife bullshit doesn't work if they don't respect your opinion.
>>96722419What's the point? There's no difference.>>96722439You can't medicate autism, dummy.
>>96722439Wait until he informs you of your Sluggish Schizophrenia Comrade, then you'll be in real trouble.
>>96703103>the same system.What system? IT IS NOTHING! First time I ever had buyers remorse was buying that trash.
>>96705828Because we all play games were we run around killing niggers gays and trannies.... PFFT NO
>>96721976There are none, but of course they would say any games that are not overtly about killing normal people and raising up non-Whites and gays means it is those things.
>>96721829Wtf that's me?!
>>96722202You are making an impassioned argument for a bad implementation of an old idea.
>>96723547What's wrong with exploring the same idea more than once?And I hope I need not say this but bad is subjective.
>>96724062NTA but you purposefully overlooked the part where he said "***BAD*** implementation" which overtly states that he thinks the problem is that it's done badly, not that it's exploring the same idea.
>>96724157Purposefully overlooked? I addressed it. Unless anon can objectively explain why one is better than the other.
>>96724246Being retarded is not addressing anything. All you said was >NUH UH
>>96724612NUH UH
>>96722526>there's no difference >persists here because its different Get a trip so we can filter you then.
>>96721824>fart-huffingOh that's rich coming from the shill>It's a setting based on the premise "what if the world depicted in black/doom metal album covers/lyrics was real?".It fails spetacularly at being a setting, it is just a bunch of tables and metal-adjacent art. You can successfully simulate the substance by looking at metal album covers on google images and using a coinflip to decide if each action works or not.>>96722037>It's the creator's property. So was dnd Lorraine's.>They have every right to decideSo did she.>you feel they're beholden to tolerate certain real-world themesNo, I just point and laugh at them feeling the need to signal this when they don't even feel the need to build an actual system.
>>96725537>Oh that's rich coming from the shillLet's give him credit anon. He's not a shill.He's the middest of wits, someone who thinks he's clever but is actually violently seething. Look at how hard he overreacted to being called religious. You can tell he's the kind of person to pride himself on being a militant atheist and so anyone implying he's balls deep on the god-cock in his own crazy little faith set him off like a firework display.
I flipped through the book at a friend's house. I don't get this game. ok it's brutal, and metal as fuck, Swisscars, but what it the game supposed to be exactly? could any Anon tell me stories about what happened during your game? I would be grateful
>>96726035Pulling convoluted solution to trivial problems out of your ass using wacky lolrandom trinkets you find pr start with to give DM an excuse to give you difficulty rating that isn't stacked against you.After a few rooms you're going to die anyway because you had 1 max hp and roll a new character (which only takes one click anyway).
>>96726469ok, thanks for writing Anon, but where were you, what happened, why things happen etc.?
>>96726516I was in a Zanzibart castle desperately trying to hit a guard and whiffing every hit because you're likely to start with STR modifier -3 and default DR is 12.Thankfully, I rolled a character that has a dog. There is no rules for it. Like literally none. We quickly threw together a stat sheet for the dog so it ended up hitting better than any of the players. So the guard eventually died.Then we reached boss room door. I used my scrying stones to figure out what's ahead. Unlike the dog, there are rules for it. Technically. You roll some dice for the vibes and decide for yourself what the scrying stones told you and whether you believe it.We proceeded to the boss room.I had a scroll of summoning skeletons. Take a wild guess how much rules they have. There are rules for accidentally killing yourself trying to cast a spell but none for the actual spell. Thankfully, it didn't kill me and skeleton minions mechanics we came up with on the fly helped us to kill the boss instead of ourselves. The idea of needing to have some corpses lying around to reanimate instead of just manifesting skeletons out of thin air was thrown around, but it didn't matter since there were plenty of corpses in the boss room anyway.
>>96726705doesn't sound bad but not particularly fun either why did your group need to kill the boss?
>>96726705>I rolled a character that has a dog. There is no rules for it.>Technically. You roll some dice for the vibes and decide for yourself what the scrying stones told you>There are rules for accidentally killing yourself trying to cast a spell but none for the actual spell.this is a fucking joke, what's the point of making a rule light rpg if you must homemade half of it to even play?
>>96726751Because he was evil murderman from Castle Shadow Doom and had the mcguffin to finish the quest and get paid.
>>96726849Do you have any fucking idea how nice it looks on the coffee table?!
>>96726849>>96726849There's a certain point where you pare things down so much you basically climb back up your own ass.
>>96725537>>96725817I told you to stop replying to yourself.
>>96727168>I told youLel, Pathological case of Janny Syndrome in this one.
>>96714183This is called "safe edgy".They would like to say something shocking, but their knees are firmly bent in reverence of the new postmodern woke religion, and they will not dare rise.
>>96726705>Guess how much rules they have.Summons d4 Skeletons.Skeleton in the monster section.>No rules for dog.There's stats for a hound.
>>96727183You haven't denied your samefaggotry.>>96727536>"safe edgy"Nonsense term.
>>96727712>You haven't denied your samefaggotry.>I demand you spend all your time trying to prove something that no amount of evidence will ever satisfy me onNah, I'm just going to call you a faggot and move on I think. Have fun seething over it.
>>96727168I was one of the ones you told to stop replying to yourself, none of which have been the same anon. You're really bad at this.
>>96727680ntaHow long do the skeletons last for? Where do they appear? Can they act immediately or do they have to roll some sort of darkbad initiative? How does the dog obey the owner? Is it a separate creature or a direct extension of the player's will? How does it heal, eat etc? Does it act at the same time or on its own?
>be me, forever-player trying to GM for the first time>main campaign called off, half the group bailed to see a movie>tell the remaining players i will run Mork Borg>"prepare for a bleak and godless hellscape, your characters are pathetic worms and will die screaming">send them to investigate a plague pit near a dying village>the entrance being "a gaping, weeping fissure in the earth">"the slick, pinkish walls of the chasm are covered in a foul smelling moss and descend into a warm, humid darkness">one player coughs and asks me to repeat the description of the walls>"fleshy folds of damp rock guide you deeper. the air is thick and pulses with a faint, rhythmic warmth">voice cracks while describing a glob of slime dripping from the ceilingi miss my ex so much
>>96703103The Berserker book seems to be AI-generated. The way they describe the Gods seems very ChatGPT-esque.
>>96727817>i miss my ex so muchWas the final boss inside the pit a rather large, muscled gentleman of dark complexion, sporting a massive codpiece?
>>96727830Is that book official content or some itchio pwyw thing? if its the latter, you get what you paid for.
>>96727740I'm not seething at anything. You, on the other hand, have posted wall after wall of text because you got triggered by a game just existing.>>96727788You're all using the same script, anyway.
>>96727840it was a mound composed of dozens of plague victims still sewn into their burial sacks
>>96727536>grimclusive is a good one for it. Got banned from the trench crusade general though.
>>96727887Totally fuckin' metal!
>>96727885lmao
>>96727889>grimclusive
>>96727896I accept your concession.
>>96727803>SkeletonWHatever your DM says they do. You stated NO rules.>Dog rulesNigger do you have some sort of telepathic bond with your dog? It's a damn dog.>obey they owner?However it's trained to.>How does it healThere are rules for healing.Are you so bent up in autism that you need to know HOW a dog eats? It probably eats like every other dog that has existed. Hell pull a bone off the skeletons you summon and toss it to it. One would assume a dog has its own initiative. As well as the skeletons.
>>96727863I think it may be the latter. Honestly the art was what caught the eye, but a lot of the text reads like:>Here, you're not just roleplaying a character; you're crafting your saga, shaping the fate of the Nine Realms as Ragnarök looms.>Berserkr throws you into the raw guts of Norse mythology, a world where every decision you make sends shockwaves through the cosmos.>You’ll invoke runic magic, clash with iconic monsters and foes, forge alliances, lie, cheat, or even kill gods, and steer the wild course of the impending apocalypse. This isn’t just a game; it’s a brutal dance with destiny.The 'this isn't just - it's actually' sentence structure looks AI-generated.
>>96727932Npc dialog.
>>96728003>make up 90% of the game >pay for it lolno
>>96728175I accept your concession.
>>96728157>Overuse of en and em dashes>Overuse of examples in threes>It's not X, its YIf its got any one of these, it's either edited AI or some clinical levels of autism, and you should look further into the creator before deciding on if you want to use it. If its got all three it is AI and should be shunned.
>>96728344The truly worst part is that you start to adopt its tics—the endless lists, the constant summarizing, and the predictable sentence structures—it's not just a bad habit, it's a complete corruption of your natural writing voice.
>>96728196>pay for itFree pdf on the site.Wut?????
>>96725817>overreacted to being called religious.Atheists do seem to crash when you name their scriptures, maybe the satanic panic wasn't an overreactiona after all, that's textbook demon behavior.>>96727885>moving goalposts>>96728175You exhausted his lines, he's looping. >>96728293>>96727932
I just asked AI to generate a sample table that could fit morkborg and used my amazing MSpaint skills to make it unreadable, what do you guys think?
>>96728890I had a seizure. 10/xyz
>>96728898Thanks, I tried other font colors but they were either so unreadable my eyes gave up or the were more comfortable. I settled for that color because it is borderline readable, so your eyes do spend the time hurting themselves trying to read.
>>96726849A significant percentage of the hate that MB gets is because it's a doshit minimalist system that can be condense to about a single page, but they charge a high price for it because they reformatted some "have the DM make something up" ultra-lite D&D system with some of the most unreadable graphic design on the fucking market. Despite that being a dogshit business model, it succeeded because the poseurs it was made for love eating shit and were easily impressed by the concept of being overcharged for pretentious artbooks.
>>96728927As a perma GM, pics like >>96720701 >>96706609 look easier to GM than morkborg. Funnily enough, some of my best games were rules light systems because of how readable they can be, I particularly liked my "run & gun" zombie apocalypse campaign... morkborg just sucks because it doesn't do well the things rules light games should, and the only value is the rather generic artwork.
>>96726849>what's the point of making a rule light rpg if you must homemade half of it to even play?Isn't that just rules lite RPGs in general?
>>96727803Whatever works for your tableUse your imagination and common sense reasoningThat's what rules-lite is aboutI understand some people need paper buttons to play ttrpgs but ... actually not 'but', 'and' I understand some people not understanding different people liking different things, it's called being on the spectrum and is a medical condition, or as we like to call it, the 'tism
>>96728196That would be a very valid point of critisism were the srd pdf not free
>>96729137>Use your imagination and common sense reasoning>That's what rules-lite is aboutThat's the point though, why even use such a rules-lite system? Just flip a coin and use your imagination, common sense and reasoning. At this point the system is just a rorschach test, if you need it to activate your neurons then that explains a lot of why you're so quick to call people autists.
>>96720781>They did that because some retards went into the sewers and one of them fucking died in there and they needed to get rid of all the bad press from dipshit midwesterners shitting their pants about their kids buying books with demons in them.Honest question, is that a thing that happened or are you mistaking the movie Mazes & Monsters, starring Tom Hanks, for real events?
>>96729159You could argue the same of any system. Most provide a framework and a few words of advice on how to navigate situations that aren't codified. Play any game for long enough and you're going to reach a point where the GM has to improvise. It's an inevitable consequence of the unmatched freedom a ttrpg gives its players. The system is going to fail at some point. Your tolerance for this is just lower than mine.
>>96729137There's difference between "rules-lite" and "rules-incomplete".
>>96705828>>96705833Honestly, the pasta still rings true for the most part. Also the devs of mork borg got caught shilling the game here and then posting about any criticism on their social media or discord to combat it.
>>96703103Midwit: The Game
>>96730462>the devs of mork borg got caught shilling the game here and then posting about any criticism on their social media or discord to combat it.They should've known better. /tg/ hates Traditional Games.
>>96730264No system is complete.
>>96730511Have robust rules that cover majority of most basic interactions that can be extrapolated to everything else, and it's a complete system.Morkborg doesn't even have rules for movement.
>>96730632MB fits the criteria you just defined. It also has rules for movement, so you clearly can't read.
>>96729145>the srd for my high production coffee table book means I'm altruistic lol you guys are very dumb or very disingenuous although realistically its both.
>>96729137>That's what rules-lite is aboutYou weren't part of the original rules light experiments, you're just aping a badly understood copy of a copy of a copy to excuse being a lazy fuck.
>>96703260>Black Powder & BrimstoneNot naming it "Väldig Borg" :(
>>96730796"Discuss it with GM" is not a rule.
>>96721063This post would hit harder if we hadn't gone through two decades of people dredging up off-color tweets from 2008 to slaughter those that offended them. Or bringing up artwork from the 1990s as evidence of sexism in gaming. We're simply doing what we've been trained to do.
>>96731313That's not what it says you illiterate fuck.
>>96731370Yeah it's very funny to see liberals complain about the culture war (now that they're losing) when they're the ones who started it in the first place.We literally just wanted to play games. None of this had to happen.
>>96731439What you said is simply incorrect.
>>96731446>>96731370Funny how "just wanting to play games" involves ignoring the actual game and instead scouring the publisher's website for a quote you can use to be outraged. Most people just read the rules.
>>96731935'Whatever the GM says' is not rules.
>>96731968Like you'd know.
>>96731968Here's the thing.If you can't trust your GM's judgment, why is he your GM?
>>96732070Here's the thing.If you want your GM to design a game for you, why does it have to involve some shitty prëtentious artbook?
>>96732110You seem really upset about what other people do at their own table. Did you buy Mork Borg and regret the like 30 bucks or something? Can I venmo you an even 40 and have you heal?
>>96731686NUH UH
I like the fun graphic design. Don't know how it would play. Looks like it would turn into those parts of Monty Python movies where mucky peasants are being comically miserable. Still that's a fun setting. I'd probably port all the funny tables into a different system and play the setting that way. Though the MB system seems fun so long as you are ok with making shit up on the fly
>>96705828>picrelWell, guess what. Just like with that leftist cyberpunk game where there was similar retarded bit "corpos and police are enemy, you should not play on their side" (which i think comes from the same people as well) there is literally nothig that can stop you, other than other players not allowing it. Stop treating shit like vidya where everything is hardcoded according to what designers want. You can literally take a marker or corrector pen and delete the passage you don't like from the rulebook, and they cant do shit to stop you. Only thing that is important is the crunch, and basic idea of the setting. fluff is purely matter of consensus between players. game provides framework, not holy scripture. Especially considering that you are provided only with generic descriptions and are supposed to make your own shit, its not like you have dozen splatbooks describing every city, npc and quest. You are filling in the details anyway , so fill it with what you and your group wants. Only thing that really matters in this game are rules and general feel of it. rest is up to you. Setting details are supposd to be timesavers for shit you dont want to make up yourself rather than hardcoded set in stone things you are not allowed to mess with. That being said crunch and setting details in borg are nothing to write home about the shit is throughly forgettable. Only think enjoy from them is the last war, because its a ww1 skirmish, and im a sucker for that shit, especially with wga cheap ww1 plastics together with shit from warlord 28mm sprue sales .
>>96729159>Just flip a coin and use your imagination, common sense and reasoningI don't think you believe coin-flipping is a valid comparison to rules-lite systemsIf you really think it is, no point for me trying to convince you the sun really does rise in the east, just go do some more thinking, I'm sure you'll see it eventually, you're a big boy>>96730264>>96730632there is but what's your point? as already stated by other anon, no ttrpg rule-system is complete and none should be, ttrpgs are not boardgamesthat would be one lousy system and that's a lousy complaint>>96731011excuse me, anon, do I know you? because I don't think I do, and maybe it's time for you to take a healthy dose of meds
Like if you're being chased by goblins through a swamp where the air smells weird and bubbles are coming up from the water, no system has rules for the combustion properties of methane in a temperate wetland environment. If I had to make a genuine argument against the rule-lites, it's the lack of meaningful character progression and customization. They are great fillers, something for experimentation where you want your creativity to go wild, but I honestly doubt there are people out there who make them their "main" system.
>>96733279I wonder if I dig through enough GURPS sourcebooks if I can find something like that.
>>96733279>no system has rules for the combustion properties of methane in a temperate wetland environment.Yeah but most give an estimate for how much damage a moderately sized fire might do rather than 'Eyeball it faggot, lmao'The problem with ruleslite OSR is that if you're going to ruleslite you might as well go for something else than OSR, PbtA, ect are all rulelite and legit. But the crux of OSR is knowing what resources you have to hand and what, generally, the consequences of your actions are going to be in most situations, even if that estimate is 'You don't know, be nervous'The mechanical consequences mind you, which are harder to define in a vaguer system.
>>96733319which is why it's a bad system for noobs. if you have enough ttrpg experience, you can eyeball it at d4 damage a turn super ez, not knowing exactly why, but knowing perfectly well that it's correct.
>>96733288I'm pretty sure even WFRP 2e has rules for detonating sewer methane pockets (or suffocating in them).
>>96733373Hit the nail on the head. MB knows its niche, and it knows its audience have played a few ttrpgs before. It doesn't try to reinvent the wheel, just put a weird spin of it for a bit
>>96733434Just checked, and it literally says eyeball it :)
>>96732218>reddit spacing>condescendingA borg intern ITT, that's funny
>>96733453>its audience have played a few ttrpgs beforeNope, its audience is selling to anyone stupid enough to buy it. Its eye bleed caught all kinds of nogames retards. Anyone with actual game experience knows its shit.
>>96733163>no ability to address points >defaults to mmememmmmemddddsd
>>96734558well i started with homebrews, and it feels natural to me, maybe that's why my perspective is different
