>Roleplaying? In a roleplaying game? Heh, that's for THEATER KIDS. I would NEVER do something so immature in a game about pretending to be a wizard. Tabletop games should be nothing more than rolling dice and taking whatever in-character actions are necessary to complete a dungeon crawl and move on to the next dungeon crawl, because 4chan said that's TRAD. Any mention of dialogue, character personalities, motivations, or god forbid... (*leans forward, chair audibly creaking under immense weight*) BACKSTORY (*thunder and lightning cracking*) are for THEATER KIDS, and I am not a THEATER KID, I am a redpilled, trad, MATURE ADULT playing a game about fairies.What causes this particular autism?
>>96703989it's just the usual contrarianism
>>96703994Worse, it's gameless contrarianism. It was borne from the subset of the OSR who is obsessed about creating a platonic ideal of the dungeon crawling RPG via solo play.
>>96703994FPBP, it's just extremist retards who don't understand both parts of the game are intertwined. The stats represent your character's personality and who they are in a mechanical sense. It's why there are only really two effective schools of chargen:>Make a statblock and build a character around the numbers>Make a character and build a statblock that re flects the characterIf you're bad at roleplaying, the former is better because you won't do something shitty and cringe like make a character who's the best at everything then be unable to represent that mechanically.If you're good at roleplaying, you can do either, as you'll understand that your character needs flaws to be interesting at the table (and encourage cooperation with the rest of the party - it's a cooperative game after all) and so you can create a character who is good at some things and bad at others and build around those character choices.
>>96703989Run your table how you want. Stop whining about how others run theirs. Complaining about the complaining is still complaining.
>>96704031Who cares if people complain/shitfling on an open image board? Go back to plebbit if you need a sanitized internet experience
>>96703989I know this may come as a surprise to you, seeing as you're new to the internet and all, but sometimes people say things they don't mean, or "lie" on the internet to make other people mad. They create stupid fake arguments that no real person would ever utter, and then insist they legitimately hold those beliefs, maybe arguing with you about them for hours at a time. And then, when you're frothing at the mouth over it, they have themselves a good chuckle and do it again. This is called "trolling" and it is a art. Well, its not really anymore, but it used to be.
>>96704057And this may come as news to you, since you made being a jaded based boy the cornerstone of your personality, but some people actually believe the retarded shit they say online.
>>96704057To be fair to OP, its really hard to tell when someone is trolling or just plain retarded.
>>96704071>>96704073Nope. No one believes what the OP described. If they say they do, its a troll. Period. End of story.This is a significantly better outlook to hold on this website. Rather than paying any attention to potential retards spouting stupid shit, treat them all dismissively as trolls. This serves a dual purpose. You don't give actual retards your precious time. You don't feed a troll into making the same stupid threads for years at a time.I know this advice will fall on deaf ears, but I firmly believe the whole site, but especially /tg/ would be much better off if people did this
>>96704051>Who cares if people complain/shitflingMe.
>>96703989I personally don't care for rpgs. I like wargames and board games.The rpgers are always the problem children
>>96704100I've met people like that in the real world. They mostly play boardgames and wargames, but also play BX D&D.
Is Daggerheart a good option If I mostly want a roleplaying game 70% fucking arrouind and exploring, 30% doing combat
>>96704100This but the opposite. No one trolls on 4chan. Everyone posts what they generally believe but in a more obnoxious way.
>>96703989No-one has ever held this position and you're an actual low-IQ mongoloid retard if you think otherwise, and you should genuinely kill yourself.
>>96704174This is me but I avoid roleplayers because the craft and research side of my hobby gatekeeps weirdshits like you. I just don't want to enter your magical realm
>>96704415That's a lot of baseless projection you got there, kiddo.
>>96704427No, it isn't. Every person I know whoe exclusively roleplays is a self important midwit fuckcheese. At least if you have to paint and read more than a DMG, you will behave better.
>>96703989I don't know; how did you get this way?
>>96703989In my case it was my drama teacher in high school being a petty, immature bully and my math and science teachers being supportive.
>>96703989>4chan saidYou do realize nobody here actually plays, right?
>>96703989This particular autism doesn't exist and is a strawman you created in your head.
uh oh theaterkid melty
>>96703989If you aren't going to do any roleplaying/dialog/whatever what is the point of even playing with other people? Just roll up 3-5 characters and fight progressively harder NPCs by yourself. You can do it at any time and you don't have to wait on other people hemming and hawing about how they are going to attack.
>>96706389You see it from a lot of trolls on 4chan threads, aka people who never actually play since their sport is pissing off autists.
>>96704450Seems like a you problem.
>>96704450>Exclusively roleplaysAnd the thread is talking about the happy middle story and statistics that RPGs are meant to be. You are projecting or lying. You aren't a good faith actor regardless.
>be me, history aficionado >GM is running a GURPS campaign. "Hyper realistic Bronze Age collapse" he says. "Survival and resource management will be critical">spend a literal week crafting my character sheet. a Mycenaean potter with precisely calculated encumbrance for his clay, knowledge of local trade routes, and a crippling fear of the Sea Peoples>show up with my spreadsheets on grain spoilage rates>the table is covered by a massive dry-erase battle mat, on which are placed several custom printed anime catgirl minis
>>96703989You really got assblasted by that other thread huh faggot? lmao
>>96703994yeah, and you're the contrarian.
>>96704024Building a stat block to reflect your character concept IS optimization, you dumb mouth breather. If your concept is "dashing swashbuckler", then anything that makes you better at that is a good decision and anything that doesn't is a bad decision.
>>96704191Combat and exploration are roleplaying. You are still making decisions for your character during these activities. There is no part of the game outside of roleplaying.
>>96706955>>the table is covered by a massive dry-erase battle mat, on which are placed several custom printed anime catgirl minissounds awesomeshame it's not real
The moment you heard "theatre kid" you know is a lotta bullshit you're hearing from some folks.
>>96703989People who say shit like this are unironic nogames in every sense of the word. Never ran a game. Never played a game. Don't own any games. Never read a game book. They only understand RPGs through twitter discourse, usually from other nogames preaching the made up gospel of D&D "as Gygax intended" and redditors regurgitating memes and greentext stories that were never true in the first place. They are brainless creatures who don't even understand the way that they don't understand the hobby and could not begin to simulate how a game might be played or what it might be like to sit around a table with several other people and play a pretend elf game for several hours.
>>96706445They want random inputs into the system so that they can respond on the fly (feeling engaged).But "AI" can do this for them now :D
>>96708083found the troon KEK
>>96708089Lol dumb storyshitter
>>96708150Exhibit A
>>96708243Yeah, you're exhibit A of being a troon :)
Into the wood chipper with all of you, starting with the tieflings
>>96707898You're the mouth breather here. You think that the ONLY thing that matters is the numbers. You'd also understand that making bad decisions is part of roleplaying. If you metagame like a huge colossal faggot, you deserve two .45 ACP rounds to the back of the skull you subhuman filth.
>>96704100Just go to the OSR general. Every single one of them is like this
>>96704103We found him. We found the guy who asked.
>>96708423Yep, no response to anything I actually said. If your choices at character creation don't reflect your character concept, you're a bad roleplayer and a bad optimizer.If you make bad decisions on purpose, you're meta gaming, and you're a bad roleplayer.
>>96708150>>96708159So do you do this spoof activity on the board, or do you just reflexively do this gay little song and dance in as many threads as possible because you're (You)-starved and incapable of contributing to a discussion in any other way?
storyshitter :)
>>96708960It's likely mental and/or social disability. It's why they have pathetic meltdowns whenever they attempt to actually argue. Insulting people like they're five years is the only brain activity they have.
Noooo it couldn't be that my position is just obviously wrong and my posts are clearly all in bad faith, everyone else is just conspiring to troll me!!!!
>96710197Case in point
Theatrefags are just failed LARPers.
>>96710007Or he's a pajeet who is too retarded to know how pathetic he looks doing this every single day.
>>96706672>You aren't a good faith actor regardless.Do you want to be taken seriously>>96706580It's not a me problem because I filter you retards. Every male roleplayer over 35 should be executed, all you do is bloviate. You can't make anything, you have no aesthetic sense or appreciation of history, just round dice. People who exclusively roleplay aren't SHIT in this hobby.
>>96710313Explain how you are appreciating history and displaying aesthetic sense when you play RPGs. I'm genuinely curious how that comes into play when you sit down at the table.
>>96710400I don't play rpgs
>>96704057You sound like you used to post on something awful
>>96710473That much was obvious from the start
>>96710313>Every male roleplayer over 35 should be executedGeez talk about being melodramatic. You are definitely a disgruntled theatre kid projecting hard.Just let people enjoy playing games how they want.
>>96710512I play wargames and boardgames, RPGs are a very long walk for a short drink of water. >>96710516Hmmm why the thread then
>>96710531In other words, your opinion is worthless to the discussion of roleplaying games, got it
>>96710313You Lose.
>>96710203Case in point
These are your "roleplayers">Thought Discourse Minis was "cute"https://www.youtube.com/live/8Ct_pKTtU4A?si=Ui5WwGj1SSJMyLtz>Thinks Canada has no culture, promotes AI slophttps://youtu.be/Rvd8brDTK7A?si=EhAYQWVtyUavjcJx>Is deadhttps://youtu.be/_dI0TxqhD-s?si=bWD_oGzHoIWrRA4uFuck roleplayers mechanistic OR theatrical.
>>96710546You can't "lose"a discussion about why an aspect of tabletop doesn't work for you. Because people who exclusively play RPGs are mongs, I win.>>96710540No, I have experience of both RPGs and roleplayers. Pen and paper rpgs, whether you are into math or LARPing are the lowest reward, highest time investment part of the hobby with the worst people. Every time.
>>96710556Maybe you'd be able to make your points better if you spent less time seething about no-name youtubers and actually played games>>96710578I highly doubt it, considering you're clearly an underage poster
>>96704020>It was borne from the subset of the OSR who is obsessed about creating a platonic ideal of the dungeon crawling RPG via solo play.I don't even know about that. OSR is mostly rules light which emphasizes filling the gaps with in universe verisimilitude which the kind of faggot in the op would call that story shitting.Though thats not to say that someone who sings the praises of OSR wouldn't be the type, but if he is, he may well be a true no-game.Instead I notice this type of behavior among players who prefer more tactical and/or rule-mastery centered gameplay. 3.5, 4e, pathfinder.Not gurps strangely enough, despite attracting that kind of autist.
>>96710578Highest reward, lowest investment, best people, rather.
>>96710609>let's spend three hours resolving this combat>did you know you can use Chainmail to play an historical wargame!?>this dice will typicall y produce this resultRPGers are midwits. Wargamers create art. Board gamers let the mechanics organise their social activity. All rpg people have is opinions
>>96710646Hardly.
>>96710588>appeal to boomerdomWell, there it is
>>96710646>Wargamers create art40k fandom proves otherwise>Board gamers let the mechanics organise their social activityMonopoly's very existence proves otherwise>>96710653>thinks you need to be a boomer to look down upon an underage posterLol
>>96710649>why would I want all these toy soldiers when I've got my 2nd ed dmg right here huehuehuehue
>>96710665>40k is a wargameYou also don't know muchYour hobby sucks because it's insubstantial and leadby egomaniacs w 90 IQ. Mine rules because it's creative and produces tangible results, and this entry requirement filters the lazy and the dumb
>>96710679I love how you are following the stereotypes of a brainlet 40k fanboys so closely. Go on, tell me how good the Horus Heresy books war, and how "Warhammer is for everyone" isn't Gee Dubs saying they hate your guts even as you buy their overpriced toys.
>>96710719>more unrelated projectionI don't play any GW games m80I play Napoleonics and dark ages stuff mostlyAnd every single rpger I have met has acted like they have a brain injuryTerribly inflated ego for what they actually do.
>>96710744>history games fag>Terribly inflated egoI know you have one, anon, you don't have to remind me of that
>>96710667lol seethingif you reply you lose :)
>>96707916Well, mostly non combat based roleplaying
>>96703989This sounds like a Theater Kid trying to act like the "people" who kicked them out for being a little diva all the time.I agree, roleplaying should be in Tabletop. As it can make it more fun than just tables and dice rolls. However, when you try to get rid of the dice rolls and stats to push more "roleplay." Then you have a problem. How many people hexcrawl over just doing random encounters when traveling from location to location? When you move too much of the game into just make it up as you go along. You have more problems unless the GM knows what they are doing. However at the end of day. The book let's you do what you want to begin with. However when they take all their old shit out to push ROLEPLAYING over GAME PLAY. The game will suffer unless the GM know what they're are doing. Most don't by the way, hint why people try to push more ROLEPLAYING thinking they can just act it problems away over what old school players did. Make Homebrews to fix what the game didn't have. Often taking it from another game system that did better till they made their own system with 4 or 5 games all mixed together. So the fighting and class system of one, the travel system another, the crafting of two different games mixed together, etc.
Roleplaying is making decisions. Not playacting.
>>96714697Yes, you make a decision and can choose to act out a brief and rough facsimile of what your character would be saying so that the GM doesn't misinterpret the intent, sometimes going more detailed if the precise wording matters. That's roleplaying, I fully agree.
>>96710578>No, I have experience of both RPGs and roleplayersNo you don't. You ran your mouth about how much you know about RPGs and then when asked about it, you admitted you don't play them and could not back up anything you said.
>>96714808No.
>>96708552Wow you're like 400lbs. aren't you?
>>96703989Alright there was railroading, there was storyshitting, and now there are theater kids to describe the same style of playing rpg'sWhat other names were there? I think there was something between storyshitters and theater kids but I forgot
>>96704020You seriously need mental health treatment, not just for your derangements, but for the actual delusions that you believe
>>96715198Thanks for conceding.
>>96715066Yes
>>96715289Probably something like failed novelists for the people who at least were trying to sound like they had a valid complaint
No.
>>96710607OSR has NOTHING to do with "rules light".It is first and foremost about REPACKAGING THE OLD FUCKING RULES FROM OD&D AND AD&D BECAUSE THE GAMES WEREN'T AVAILABLE FOR PRINT IN 2007."Rules light" is nu-SR.
