Awkward sex with Aisling Sturbridge followed by post-coital cuddling and reading together naked by the fireplace.

>TQ
That Garou Cookbook for W20 explains to us each food for the Tribes.
There was even an anon who cooked the Black Furies dish and posted the whole process.

What's your favorite CtL Court and why?

>>96708268
>What's your favorite CtL Court
The Autumn Court.

>and why?
Because they're an in-game example of a rules lawyer and they make it look so fucking cool.

>>96708268
>your favorite CtL Court?
Spring
>and why
Because your desires are your own.

Is there a blood sorcery path themed around ice or the cold? Why isn't there one? I know that vampire limbs might lock down or freeze in place in the cold, but they also got lure of the flame and fire kills them. Seems like a missed opportunity for some themed magic.
What would be good abilities for such a path?

>>96708433
As official, Neptune's Might is the closes you get something related to water.
If you want ice, there's a fanmade supplement with lots and lots of Paths, including one relating to ice IIRC. However, it's in portuguese only. Try to throw in google "capela da rosa amarga pdf" or something like that.

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Ok so I know the difference between WtA and WtF but what's the difference between VtM and VtR?

>>96708268
I had a lot of fun playing a Spring, you're one of the ones who help remind all the others to actually live and enjoy things.

>>96708577
VtR has better rules / XP system. VtM has all the lore. VtM 5 has also better rules and you can keep the lore. VtR is dead, killed in favor of VtM 5

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>>96708642
>VtM 5 has also better rules

>>96708577
Masquerade:
Vampirism is a curse originally placed on Caine that weakens as it spreads. A vampire's Generation determines their potential power, and can be stolen from a higher gen vamp by Diablerie, or basically eating their soul.
There's only 14 clans that can exist, plus the Caitiffs and Thinbloods, and each have a narrow "thing" that's theirs.
There's an overarching metaplot that eventually the 3rd generation clan founders will reawaken and devour all of their clans.
There are only three major factions: The Camarilla, who want to maintain the Masquerade, the Sabbatt, who want to make Vampires the power over mortals, and the Anarchs who don't like either but generally ally with the Camarilla against the Sabbatt.
Clans are generally pretty strictly locked into their faction, with a rare few "antitribu" who defect to the opposing one.

>>96708715

Requiem:
Vampirism is a mysterious affliction with numerous causes, and is evolutionary in nature. But because certain traits are better survival mechanisms than others, 5 clans dominate the night and have enough in common they call themselves collectively the Kindred. As they age or are particularly active they naturally increase in Blood Potency, but that being too high can restrict what they can feed on to just other vampires, so it's common for them to go into Torpor after too long and reset their BP level.
There are only 5 main Kindred clans, but also several non-Kindred clans. They can also evolve Bloodlines that modify their nature and grant access to Disciplines that other Clans normally only have, like how Ventrue Malkovians can use the Mekhet ability Auspex.
There are 5 core factions that may or may not be in any particular city and may or may not openly practice as their official name as well, with two being political (Invictus as the traditional Lords and Carthians as "we're trying to figure out something better than the way the Invictus does things"), one as a Dark Catholic Church (Lancea et Sanctum) who believe themselves descended from Longinus, and two as Explore the Mysteries of Vampirism (Ordo Dracul as Scientists and Circle of the Crone as Mystics).

>>96708268
I like them all, but probably Autumn. Fear-oriented spooky fae occultists, what's not to love?

>>96708577
VtR has a better ruleset but the lore is less memorable and a lot of it concist of "Pick X/Y/Z" in terms of backstories and "Monster of the Week" in terms of antagonists.
>>96708642
V5 is only better if you are running a miserry porn game for a coteri of thin blood or something equally low level.

>>96708268
Summer
>why?
Because they're the ones who actually get shit done while the other three Courts are variously hiding like cowards, or getting high and having nonstop orgies, or staring into old books trying to find the silver bullet to defeat the Gentry once and for all (they won't).

>>96708433
>Why isn't there one?
Because cryomancy is kind of a pain in the ass. memes aside I think the people just forgot it. I can't think of anything all that intersting of the top of my head in terms of power concepts.

>>96708797
Thumping your chest like a beer-swollen mongoloid and getting killed in retarded kamikaze attacks is "getting shit done" apparently.

>>96708984
no one else steps up to the plate when the Gentry, Loyalists, and Privateers show up, so... yeah

>>96709019
Yeah man, try to "1v1 me bro" a True Fae. Let us know how it goes for you.

>>96709473
The Red Victor of a Summer Court is a position given over to champions who have taken X number of Gentry hands as trophies. So yeah, there is in fact a special spot in the Summer Court for dudes who "1v1 me bro" the Gentry and win.

I am coming up with some offers for players that will be made by the Wyrm in exchange for their souls/loyalty

Vampire: ability to walk in the sunlight and only be greatly weakened

What can you offer a changeling or a mage that is on par with that?

>>96709519
For Changelings it'd have to be something like an infinite supply of Glamour (ten free points per day or something). Or a chimeric artifact of such power that it's equivalent to High King David's Excalibur in fame and importance, something that could raise them to become a High King. Either you remove the threat of Banality from their lives or you offer them power enough to run the ship. There's also a third option, which is to open a passageway to Arcadia, which is something considered the ultimate goal of a lot of Changelings. But that would remove them from the game entirely if they accepted it, and odds are they would immediately sabotage Arcadia from within as an agent of the Wyrm, destroying it unless Arcadia's magical defenses destroys them on their attempt to enter it (that happens to 99% of Changelings, especially Dauntain, and a Changeling allied with the Wyrm would definitely be a Dauntain and turn into a Banality merchant)
For mages it's less a question of 'what can the Wyrm offer' and more 'what does the Mage in particular desire?' There's so much variety in what Mages actually want, even something as simple as "I'll teach you a special kind of magic that is unaffected by Paradox" could be all it takes.

>>96709519
Shrugging off the worst of Paradox and Banality?

Is Wraith the only splat with truly sensible factions?
>Hierarchy: SOMEBODY has to make sure spectres are suppressed and souls don't get flung into Oblivion every 5 seconds, it's not the perfect system but it's the best we have
>Renegades: turning people into coins, torches, and fucking wine is kinda bad, right? We should take our chances independently
>Heretics: well the underworld fucking sucks and the Hierarchy is oppressing us, even though they lowkey agree that lack of Faith is making more dead fall to Oblivion, why shouldn't we wage a Holy War to free people from being slaves or worse?
Like all of them have a point, but all of them also possess shortcomings.

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Is reasonable to have a thing for a malkavian to use the Gypsy's or KotEK divination rules?

I've heard that some aspects of v5 like hunting and feeding iirc are supposed to be better than other versions of vampire and so I was wondering what it is that it does differently?
My only experience with vampire in general is VtR

>>96709585
>odds are they would immediately sabotage Arcadia from within as an agent of the Wyrm, destroying it unless Arcadia's magical defenses destroys them on their attempt to enter it (that happens to 99% of Changelings, especially Dauntain, and a Changeling allied with the Wyrm would definitely be a Dauntain and turn into a Banality merchant)


I think the Changeling view is that the changing breeds used to be Kithain. I think there was also something about an ancient evil that was clearly meant to be analogous to the wyrm that the fae fought against a long time ago

>>96708190
I cooked the glass walkers one and a friend cooked the Shadow lords one,the first was pretty good and simple to do,the second was cool to make with said friend and tasted pretty good.
I also did the pastel recipe from the Uktena,became my go to recipe for parties

>>96709473
Nah, I'd win.

How often does gay sex happen among werewolves

>>96709653
V5 added how you prefer to hunt for blood as a D&D5e-esque background thing that informs your build. I don't like it because it feels needlessly pigeonholing. I prefer how VtR handles hunting rolls.

V5's hunger is heavily abstracted, relying on random chance to determine if you get hungrier from blood-dependent actions. While hungry, there's a chance your hunger leads to a "yes, but" if you succeed or a "no, and" if you fail a roll. This chance starts out small and becomes more likely the hungrier you are. The only way to be actually full is drain someone dry. Some people really like this abstracted system. I can't understand why, I utterly despise it, but some people do like it.

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>>96709737
>hand crafted cold iron bullets on Earth where true fae don’t have bullshit plot armor

>>96709748
>silver bullets against Forsaken/Pure
>dragon's breath shotty shells against Kindred
Is there any splat that a generous application of GUN can't solve?

>>96708010
>TQ
The Glass Walkers just bought a big bag of mixed candy from the grocery store. The Bone Gnawers put out whatever they stole out of the Glass Walkers bowls.

>>96709828
>mage
>uh it's not magic I just shot him

No

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Has anyone ever gone up against a strong female hunter in a wheelchair?

>>96709852
This is giving me ptsd.

“Um. Did the Lich install ramps into his dungeon? He didn’t? That’s kind of a dick move bro…”

>>96709852
Probably but I wouldn't expect many to admit to beating up (at best) a cripple

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>>96709852
Yes.

>>96709852
>coach on the shirt
>dogtags
just in case you thought for a moment that this wasn't some kind of virtue signalling representation nonsense, this is a based female wheelchair Marine who clearly went into the battlefield airdropped from a VTOL with her wheelchair hooked up to a parachute

>>96709680
>I think the Changeling view is that the changing breeds used to be Kithain.
Yes. In their view Cain was a redcap.
>ancient evil
Fomorians? I don't think it was ever specified if they have anything to with wyrm.

>>96709741
All
The
Time

Like, ALL the time

>>96709680
>I think there was also something about an ancient evil that was clearly meant to be analogous to the wyrm that the fae fought against a long time ago
You must be referring to the Fomorians, although I don't know if they're directly linked to the Wyrm itself, since the Fomorians are sort of the ultimate Fae. They're the war gods like Balor of Celtic mythology, who used to rule Earth in the time before history (no idea how this intersects with the Antediluvians ruling Earth in the time before history) when humans did nothing but slaughter each other to survive

>>96709852
What's funny is that Hunter is one of the only games where a crippled PC could theoretically work. Heck, a wheelchair bound military veteran is fairly plausible. Got hit by an IED. But it's apparent from that art that they really don't understand either the military or how being crippled works. Modern RPGs in general treat having a wheelchair as "no big deal", like a fucking accessory, instead of a very real fact of life, something anyone wheelchair-bound will tell you.

Hell, I remember there being an example character, a Lasombra who was embraced after a car accident. His sire's blood wasn't enough to heal his shot legs and as a result he uses Arms of the Abyss to move around. He's a bitter, angry fuck from the embrace and wants payback. That's a fine concept.

>>96709653
V5 adds a lot of shit that makes feeding more interesting to play as you can get temporary buffs from it if the character has the right specs on top of making it a plot point.
>>96709744
Yeah, I get where you are coming from.

>>96709852
>Has anyone ever gone up against a strong female hunter in a wheelchair?
Nah, the closest thing to that was using girl and her wheelchair as a battering ram to escape from a locked gym.

>>96709995
It is weird how being a crippled tends to be an non issue for a few splats.

>>96709974
even right now?

>>96710072
Yes.

>>96709852
I hate this splotchy fake brushstroke art style. It was bad in Exalted and it's bad here.

>>96710080
Terrifying.

>>96709974
What about bestiality? How often does that happen?

>>96708795
nah V5 is fine for Ancilla games too. loresheets are great

>>96709653
V5 doesn't do anything really, it just gives some starting merits/disciplines at character creation based on how you hunt and there's resonances which means you get temporary buffs based on the emotional state of your victim which nobody uses cuz it's a cumbersome system and a waste of time in most cases.

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>>96709519
>What can you offer a changeling or a mage that is on par with that?
For Mage, Relentless and Infernal Magic (with Infernal Avatar) is always great choices. But be careful, trading your soul as a Mage, especially when you are not even Nephandi, is a dangerous business and let your player know what he is getting into.

>>96710227
It is fine, but the only scenario I see it being better is the Thin Blood and Anarchist kind of game.
Lore sheets are pretty neat.

>>96709995
They show up in older W:tA, too, on account of battle scars and the occupational hazards of being a Garou. There's actually a paraplegic Ahroun in Caerns: Places of Power, I believe, but she holds herself up entirely by her arms/forelegs.

The Get also had a super messed up keeper of the land in the Black Forest Caern, on account of how Vicissitude got used to make her look completely wrong and put back together wrong. She accepted no mercy from her fellows and limps around with the help of a cane, and if you insult her the rest of them will make you wish you were dead because she obviously has the strength to continue on no matter what, and that is not to be mocked.

>>96710097
If by that you mean someone in a mismatched form going in for the wrong species... generally only happens among BSDs, which unfortunately means fairly often, since the Dancers are a whole 1/10 of the worldwide Garou population in pre-W5.

>>96709519
A "symbiotic" Wyrm spirit that eats the mage's Paradox
actually a Nexus Crawler

>>96709519
For changelings? Let them break down Banality.
Changelings want to get rid of solidified reality, the Wyrm wants to escape its bonds (solidified reality), there's a mutual interest to be served here.
Don't worry about the byproducts.

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Why are the Mercurial Elite like this?

>>96709653
Paradox shills are getting really desperate. I guess that BL2 shit isn't looking good.

>>96709519
>>96709585
>>96710781
Aren't the Kithain fundamentally beings of the Wyld, though?

>>96710868
As far as Garou would try to understand them? Unless a book specifically states they're Wyld creatures, I would argue they're more Weaver-aligned than anything else. They don't create new things, they organize, regulate, and amplify the creations and emotions of mortals (Glamour is the crystallized emotional essence of wonder and fantasy naturally generated by Dreamers).

>>96710904
...what are you smoking? Weaver and Changelings are some of the furthest things apart in the whole WoD.
They are literally creatures born from the imagination and creativity of humanity.

The Genius the Transgression fansplat sounds interesting at first glance, but can someone give the short version of how they differ from mages and marauders with science paradigms?

>>96710867
>I guess that BL2 shit isn't looking good.

Even game journos aren't defending it. It's that bad.

>>96710904
Don't the Fianna sense the Wyld in them? That's why they interact with them at all.

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>>96710968

Is Santa Claus anything in WoD?

>>96710941
Key words: born from, but they don't do creation themselves. They govern the Dreaming and maintain it, very Weaver activity. Truthfully they can even take on a Banal-form, the Dauntain, and become agents of the Wyrm. So they're more Weaver-esque overall, square in the middle

>>96711058
I don't recall anything official, but like three or four different lines could claim him. I've seen shapeshifter spirit, true fae, an ancient marauder mage, or even some niche methuselah.

>>96710964
Geniuses possess Inspiration, which allows them to impose their own mania and perception of science and reality upon the world in the form of wonders, inventions and devices that operate according to the mage's beliefs.
However, the mad science of geniuses isn't real science and the only thing to makes it work is the magic of Inspiration, the mania of an Inspired mind that fuels it. The physics of the normal world aren't the product of consensus, they're the objectively true physics of the universe. Whenever normal mortals of the normal world interact with wonders, they typically fall apart, sometimes in destructive ways.
There's a few laws of mad science that roughly govern how geniuses and wonders and Inspiration work, but the core of it is that geniuses have to find a way to balance their desire to create wonders and explore mad science and the disappointing reality that what they do isn't built on true science or based on objective reality.

>>96710987
The Fianna swore a pact with the Fair Folk a long ass time ago that they would come to their aid. That's why they care when most Garou just want to chop Changelings up into little pieces for existing

What was up with Absimiliard?

I vaguely recall reading somewhere that he was in Antarctica but I don't remember where I read it if I read it at all.

And I STILL haven't managed to wrap my head around whatever was going on with the Niktuku and Nosferatu.
The Niktuku are the witches of Baba Yaga. No, Baba Yaga is the origin of normal Nos and was killed by Niktuku. The Niktuku hunt Nos because Absimiliard hates his appearance. No, the Nosferatu committed some ancient crime and the Niktuku hate them for it.
What is going on?

>>96710987
Yes, but /wodg/ is full of people who disagree with White Wolf's handling of the Triat and try to white-wash the Weaver and say that art and creativity and ingenuity and inspiration all falls under her domain and not the Wyld, despite the fact that officially all of that shit is Wyld and the Weaver is a banal thing that wants to do away with emotion and wonder and creativity and all that.

>>96711058
Either
>CtD: A Chimera
or
>MtA: Mr. Nicholas, a Marauder whose delusion is that he truly believes the world is a good and beautiful place

>>96711170
Someone in these threads a while ago alsp suggested that Geniuses have a piece of the God-Machine in them, some miniscule fraction of its power that allows them access to impossible knowledge and the ability to skirt-around what's possible. 90% hardwork, 10% imagination - literally.

>>96711216
The only ones with 'kill on sight' policy for Changelings are the Get of Fenris because long ago some sidhe cast a pet play spell on them (Changeling Storyteller's Guide page 87).

Hey a while ago an anon tried to figure out what it would take to create more changelings, since there's technically a set amount of changeling souls that just get reincarnated over and over again and can be destroyed bia Banality or cold iron.
He figured something, soemthing with gaming some contracts and a few other things to do a massive group conversion, but I can't remember the specifics. Anybody got a memory of it,

>>96711276
>Some Sidhe wanted to aura farm by using the Get as steeds
>The Get were slightly upset by this proposition, and calmly voiced their objection the only way they knew how

I WANT MY FATALISTIC GOTH EUTHANATOI GF AND I WANT HER NOW!!!!!!

>>96710964
One thing is they're based in CofD instead of WoD.

And another is that they legitimate have to follow SOME science, granted they skirt around the actual laws of physics quite a bit.
They differ from mages however in that theyre not changing reality, they're pushing boundaries. They technically obey science it's just that the greater it is the less of a science it actually is.
Ultimately they are kidna just Etherites as a race but they still try to follow genuine feel of super science. Science either technically plausiblity

>>96711238
I don't think real information can exist about things with all that Obfuscate. Did you get any inspiration out of reading it?

>>96711263
If you really want to overlap stuff like that in order to try and fit them into the rest of CofD, sure, why not. But at this point, the design philosophy for GtT is so different from the second edition of CofD that I don't think it's a good idea.
But to continue explaining Genius for the other guy, here are the laws of mad science, paraphrased:
>What geniuses do is not true science. Everything produced by Inspiration is non-repeatable phenomena and cannot be replicated in a controlled environment or researched in any remotely scientific fashion.
>What geniuses do is not mystical. They can't perform spells or will things into being through blind faith. A genius must have a solid theory for why their wonder does what it does, according to their own warped interpretation of science, or the wonder will do nothing.
>Geniuses do not fully understand their wonders. While they make wonders according to their theories and beliefs, their grasp of mad science is never perfect and there is a chance that they won't be able to make the wonder again or that it might malfunction in unexpected ways.
>Mortals cannot safely and reliably interact with wonders. If a genius gives a device that they made to a mortal for them to use, it will break, usually in a spectacular and harmful way, especially if that mortal is a scientist trying to study the device.
>Nothing protects geniuses or wonders from mortal scrutiny. There is no conspiracy to maintain a masquerade as it's unnecessary, thanks to most of the previous laws. Any genius who tries to educate the masses will end up humiliating and ruining themselves.

>>96711170
>The physics of the normal world aren't the product of consensus, they're the objectively true physics of the universe.
Two words: Mania Storms.

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>>96709852
Be careful if you see a hunter in a wheelchair

>>96711524
Maniac storms are more like the whiplash of old ideas being rejected in favour of new ones. The masses struggling to accept this new interpretation causes them to generate mania and either become beholden and then geniuses, or to expel this mania which manifests in the form of the disproven beliefs.
So while reality isn't consensus-based, the beliefs of the common man and how they believe reality works still has power and cataclysmic events can occur whenever the masses have to adjust their perception of reality.

>>96711564
That's a lot of words to say it's just the consensus.

>>96708596
What do you use Spring's contracts for?

It's one thing I've been kind of curious about, because I don't know why but I have trouble coming up with ideas for Spring

>>96711572
Except it's the opposite. For example, when the first lander arrived on Mars and established once and for all that Mars was a dead world devoid of life, the masses forcing themselves to reject the notion of life on Mars caused them to eject a tsunami of mania that manifested as the Martian Empire, which didn't exist before that point.

>mfw the vax was a project by Lemuria that got the plug pulled on it when too many people started suffering the effects of Havoc

>>96711531
I would be, you never know if he has 6 pounds of C4 strapped to him.

>>96709748
Why is the gun a fallout asset?

>>96709852
I would like this image more if she had prosthetics or no legs

>>96711610
It's wonders/ideas being so flattly rejected by everyone it knocks it out of the head of Geniuses and physically manifesting them.

>>96711576
Spring's Eternal contract has the plant life control clause which is very useful in a wide variety of situations, combat, utility, you name it
It also has a healing clause which is great for CtL because other than goblin fruits, which can be tricky to find the best ones for healing with, you have to deal with normal mortal healing rules. So healing powers are aces.
Fleeting Spring is decent for social uses. Verdant Spring is a contract in Lords of Summer that is probably the best overall toolbox for Spring fae to draw upon, with a nice variety of useful clauses such as your basic Bardic Inspiration (negating the need to invest in the Hearth Contract) to a fairly decent combat Clause at a mere three dots to a means of completely refreshing your PC's Willpower points. Generally I'd say the Lords of Summer splat offers the best overall Contracts for all the Seasonal Courts to look at, since the Core book Contracts can be a bit too niche and specific in their effects to be appealing. Most of the Seasonal Contracts in the core book are a total crapshoot whether you get anything you can see yourself using regularly, but the Lords of Summer Contracts like Verdant Spring is really nice as a basic set of powers

>>96711238
>The Niktuku are the witches of Baba Yaga.
that's a one of thing that even beckett's makes fun of
>baba Yaga is the origin of normal Nos
that's what baba yaga claims but there are other nosferatu 4th gens so she probably is either talking shit or it's another case of her maddness (she also thinks garou are her kids)
>was killed by Niktuku
this is the one 100% true thing because we player seen this on screen
>The Niktuku hunt Nos because Absimiliard hates his appearance. No, the Nosferatu committed some ancient crime and the Niktuku hate them for it.
this is the same thing. the nosferatu's crime is being embraced and embracing more of their number
you see caine told the antes to keep their numbers down and absimiliard because of his curse is scared as fuck of caine so he wants to wipe out his clan before granddad comes home after gehenna and finds out that they exist

>>96711873
Ironic given that the ecstatics love to mind control other people and fuck with their emotions. They did it so much that the founder of their tradition had to project himself into the future with time magic to tell them to stop


As always the Ludditefag doesn’t actually know the lore and just repeats slop

Another fun fact: the slave dealing mage killed by hunters in canon was an ecstatic. The mages discovered but later found out he was a slaver and a neohandi. Ecstatics are bad

>>96711873
Kek, amazing meme. Saved.

>>96711873
nice.

This guy is also the most transparent samefag I wonder if he believes we really can’t see it

Could someone explain cults a bit better to me? I'm playing v5 and I'm a female hecata and I was thinking about wanting a cult. I was thinking about maybe the church of set but there's apparently no rituals that come with it?

>>96711994
buttbroken kek

>>96711948
>>96711956
>>96711994
Where were you in the Esoterrorists vs. WoD thread when your weaponized 'tism would have been useful? Idiots in there actually believed the Ordo Veritatis > the Technocracy

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>Schädelwoman

>>96712023
I’m not here all the time. This guy just amuses me because he has such strong opinions but doesn’t even understand the setting.

The traditions have some that are more “good” leaning and some which are pretty evil. The Order of Hermes is the worst but the ecstatics are low key kinda fucked up. Too out of to understand consent I guess, they’re just trying to reveal heightened states of mind man. That’s why they roofied you

>>96712023
why would anyone sane touch a crossover debate on 4chan of all places?

>>96711058
I've toyed around with a christmas game idea I'd never get to run, but it would either be a group of mortals hunted by vampires and they try to help him pick off all the vampires. Or a game where they are vampires or some other splat and Santa is instead a slasher villain trying to kill them

The most morally good tradition? You guessed it, the Virtual Adepts. Technomancers that used to be part of the Technocracy. So weird ha ha….

>Comes to cry to this thread too
Lmao. HFY losers are so fragile.

>>96711058
Santa is a Maurader who thinks he is Santa Clause for real so he is. He doesn’t visit literally every kid on Earth but he his huge numbers

>>96712076
You mean the Etherites. You know who's most like the Technocracy? The Order of Hermes.

>>96711058
>Is Santa Claus anything in WoD?
yes a lost one aka true fae of House Dougal in ctd
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Ilmarinen

>>96712110
The Etheritres have an explicitly evil mad scientist faction with a lot of power that wants to run experiments without moral constraints. They also have a lot genuine dashing heroes that will show up to battle
the bad guys in their airship so it balances out to be in the middle

Reposting this from the end of the last thread. How would the garou mom react in this situation

>female glass walker has a son with a guy but they end up getting divorced
>her son isn't a garou and lives with his dad but his mom sees him pretty often
>the son has no idea about his family's supernatural connections
>during college he awakens as a mage and ends up becoming a pretty powerful Virtual Adept
>later he ends up saving a garou from some threat using some sort of wizard bullshit
>the garou recognizes him and tells his mom

>>96712127
The Mad Scientists aren't explicitly evil. They're just unhinged and ethically unrestrained.
Some are indeed in favor of human experimentation without consent. Others are simply in favor of grave robbing, creating new living species, giving souls to machines and making weapons of mass destruction that they definitely just want to keep as a deterrent to prevent greater tragedies.
Let's face it, Vargo (who was morally justified in everything he did) was a fucking mad scientist despite what anyone else says.

>>96712174
Uh that sounds pretty evil to me. Even if not all of them are murdering people all the time…they would if it interested them in some way

>>96712080
It's funny how HFYtards just want to used BLACKED terminology, put themselves in a wagecage and die for Israel. Muttbrained. Like in reality the reason humanity would be fighting aliens is to conquer them for Israel while your money inflates and pension is canceled out from under you. These are fundamental aspects of advanced human society and it makes them asspained that WoD is too nuanced. I would rather just have casual sex with fae.

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>>96709639
I once ran a Malkavian Archaeologist with the Power Object Fixation derangement, using a tarot deck and a cheatsheet of common card interpretations I gave the ST to decide how he felt about any given NPC or important decisions. Stuck with a body in a crimescene? The Wheel of Fortune says you should bring him to the van. Two of swords says that NPC you haven't met is out to destroy you all? She is a devil and must be stopped. ST was cool and made her an enemy of the coterie a few sessions later.

I'm sure you can come up with better ideas with an actual system.

>>96712195
You call it "grave profanation". I call it "gathering valuable materials for scientific pursuits."
You call it "spitting in the face of god by creating frankenstein monsters." I call it "making friends."
You call it "giving sentience to war machines." I call it "being the 21st century's Geppetto and giving my Pinocchio the means to understand the world and defend himself."
You call it "creating unethical weapons designed to wipe out entire countries in a single night." I call it "practical measures to prevent another world war."

>>96712148
>"It's not personal son, but I gotta keep you at least 500 feet from any Caerns at any time."

>>96712291
Even the skyscraper?

>>96712271
I don't understand how someone like that ends up drawn to White Wolf (paradox slop not counting). All in all the stupid ramblings even make me a bit nostalgic of more edgy stuff instead of all this modern trash.

>>96712302
Especially the skyscraper

>>96712148
If anything they'd be mad he's not helping breed more potential garou.
Kinfolk, mage or not, must perform their duty.

>>96712312
Wait until she finds out he has Correspondence anyway to hack their caern account.

>>96709741
If you go by W20 lore (afaik neither previous editions nor W5 touch on that) all tribes except the Silver Fangs accept gays, and since most tribes seem to regard gay sex as not violating the "garou shall not mate with garou" part of the litany, probably fairly often

>>96710097
Depends on what's considered bestiality for the sake of the question given the inherent complications around werewolves' nature. The books basically say that while homid woofs pondered about the question of breeding with lupus and its moral implications, they haven't come up with a definitive answer because of the conflict between their natural aversion to bestiality and the necessity of making more warriors to fight the Wyrm. However, if you specifically mean garou fucking in a mismatched form to their partner, then likely very rare outside the BSD as >>96710456 pointed out

CAPTCHA: T0D4M

>>96711873
Need a big titty Ecstatic gf

>>96711956
>The mages discovered but later found out he was a slaver and a nephandi
So he wasn’t an Ecstatic.

>>96712148
>Single Glass Walker MILF
I need her number.

Anons don't want to talk about cults.....

>>96712279
That sounds like a good gimmick

>>96712474
NEPHANDI ALERT!!! NEPHANDI ALERT!!! GILGUL HIS ASS IMMEDIATELY!!!!

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Drawfag here, with a Nosferatu WIP

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>>96709852
>>96709995
>What's funny is that Hunter is one of the only games where a crippled PC could theoretically work.
So long as they're primarily support guys who help find the monsters and prep the self-defense stuff. Actually, I might steal that if I ever actually get the chance to play HtV.

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>>96712508
>when the Nephandi "win", only for the universe to fall down like a broken stage and reveal it was nested in a larger, more hostile, and totally alien universe where they hold absolutely no power and are immediately subjected to fates which have no end and transcend any imaginable context of agony or sorrow

>>96712614
i really like how you do the fangs of more monstrous vampires

>>96712707
Only a minority of Nephandi want true nothingness (based). Most of them will just be seething that the other pain continuerers won first.

>>96712719
Thanks! Truly mighty fangs are important. What's a vampire if the fangs can't be seen, glistening with fresh blood or slavering with drool at the prospect of tearing open supple throats?

>>96712614
aw hell yeah drawfag!

>>96711276
And neither the incident nor policy is found in a W:tA source, so >>96711216 is even more full of shit.

>>96710904
Most W:tA sources do indeed lean toward having them feel more Wyld.

don't they have a base template ability to even invoke the wyld to go super sayian?

>>96712148
I'm still putting my bets on the garou doing something stupid like trying to kill the guy because they believe him to be possessed by a Wyld spirit or something along those lines.

>>96712148
the offical company line for garou is that mages shouldn't have the power they do and technomages ping as weaver tainted (if they should is another question, but like how they are all super banal other splat's don't really get that technology can be used to create or be creative) so if she was in any other tribe mom would probably eat her son's face, but a glasswalker might have understanding or even respect for someone else who flirts with the weaver without falling for it

on the otherside glasswalkers are known to be the single tribe who treat their kinfolk the worst so i guess it really depends on the character of the mom and the mage

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Sup anons. Trash werewolf still seeing play, I bring you doodles of her for fun

Is introducing an Imbued npc to my Vampire players a bad idea? I’m not really sure how strong the imbued are in general. I was thinking they’d be more on the pacifist end of the spectrum

>>96713227
Damn cream cheese stealing Gnawer!! She needs correction!!

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>>96713227
Jackie the bone gnawer recently became buds with a vampire hunter. They bond a lot from watching horror movies together, and she eventually came clean about what she was. Now she lives in his apartment. It’s been chill though they tend to do their own thing, only helping out the other one on their quest to kill licks or help Gaia.

>>96713281
Is she weak to anal

>>96713258
imbued can shit out agg damage at the cost of burning out if build correctly beside that most of their stuff is "nu uh" kinda powers as in they nullify other powers either passively or actively

>>96713287
Who isn’t?

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>>96713301
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>>96712280
>unethical weapons designed to wipe out entire countries in a single night
Doing this to India would be an act of Pure Good.

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>when you realize that a symbiote is a totally valid option for an Avatar in Mage

>>96713396
but which faction?

>>96713403
If you ignore the symbiote being an alien, I imagine you could fit it into a Verbena paradigm.
'Your avatar is a symbiotic life form helping you to unleash your full potential' is unusual for them, but not completely out of their alley.

>>96713414
You could justify it by basically any of them. Spiritual armor, the dark half, symbiosis, the dream self, a manifestation of the id. You can go a lot of ways with the concept.

>>96713396
It's just a type of manifested avatar. It can also be like Jojo or an imaginary friend.

>>96713446
Yeah, but I'm not the biggest expert on Mage, so I have no idea how you'd manage some of the freakshit. Because with symbiotes it isn't just like beast mode. It also entails stuff like physically becoming one with your avatar, so even if your physical body is destroyed and you're curb-stomped into a puddle, you can still slink off and rebuild yourself like The Blob.

>>96712614
Niceee, he looks like a mix of Innsmouth resident and Bigfoot.
>>96713227
Heh, nice to see her.
>>96713396
You can even with to many paradigm. They even have divine origin.
Progenitor? Super advanced lifeform from space. Celestial Chorus? A creature born from a part of the One.

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>>96711873
>post on r/worldofdankmemes
>redditor makes a counter meme
>says It X is just a club of fun-loving frat guys building bombs for fun
>point out they build bombs that get used in the Middle East (Palantir's surveillance system was tested in the Gaza before being rolled out across the West)
>tells me that's actually the Lions of Zion
>a niche sect of magical jews control the entire military industrial complex, from DARPA to Lockheed Martin to Palantir, and make innocent weapon manufacturers look bad
>redditor accidentally said something retardedly anti-semitic-sounding to defend the Technocracy and headcanon they have nothing to do with Israel

>>96712410
He was originally. That’s how most nephandi start off, then they enter a caul of their own free will. You have to be pretty evil already to enter a caul,

>>96713749
We hate you on both sides because you are genuinely retarded and should blow your brains out. Does that make sense?

>>96713749
Or how about not putting all the current news into the setting, that's what led to White Wolf being dissolved the last time.
But I think they already had something about how the Middle East is shit because of Malkav sleeping there, although that may have just been someone's headcanon I read somewhere.

>>96713816
>>96713816
At least Technocrat glazers who defend Israel and the MIC are consistent. You're just a schizophrenic troon.

>>96713833
Good luck avoiding bringing up Israel in an Israel chronicle.

>>96713848
The Technocracy canonically backed Hitler in World War 2. Although half of them walked out or something.

In any case, it is amusing to me you think hyper specific foreign policy decisions made by Israel can be attributed the technocracy but kids not dying because of antibiotics or people having enough food can’t. You are just way too low Iow IQ man, it’s not your fault.

Another sign of your low IQ is thinking the Technocracy is the troon lib faction. Anon, the original game was written by White Wolf. The mage punks are leftists and the Technocracy is The Man. How can you miss all subtext have you even read these books

>>96713749
Mate, you are retarded.
Technocracy doesn't test silly weapons on Gaza, they don't need to. (Also, Ukraine-Russia warzones would be way better)
Their actual warzones are in fucking Jupiter, not some silly desert. Why the fuck would the Technocracy care about specifically supplying it? They sell everyone weapons. It is way more likely Lions, who are self-proclaimed protectors of Jews who don't admit Mages into their order until they are 40 years old, are strict on Tradition even more than Order of Hermes and hates Muslims and Christians with burning fashion, are the ones who are the reason behind the stuff.
It would be like you suggesting 9-11 was also the Technocracy when Taftani already blow themselves up spectacularly and hate modern civilization.

>>96713861
The Technocracy would ignore something like the conflict in Gaza. It ain’t big enough for them to care. A big war between major powers would see them pick a side to win a lot of the time

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>>96713865
Yeah, like Israil-Philistine stuff is just so small for them care. The Syndicate isn't going to get excited over the military industry of USA selling stuff, they are literally considering bigger things like whatever USA should remain a superpower at all.

>>96713860
Speaking of low IQ and you're strawmanning that I think the Technocracy is the troon lib faction. No, troons think it is, but it's actually a component of the military industrial complex. The Gaza is a testing ground for live targets. You're too retarded to read a sentence, not worth carrying on.

>>96713861
They don't control everything, but war is a method to condition new tech into Consensus, and it also gives them paradox-free primal energy from the Masses. Because the Technocracy needs to condition technology into consensus, you fucking retard. You're talking about them without even having read the book, you just read the wiki. Gaza is a testing ground, so is the Iron Dome, so is the rest of the wars. You're retarded if you think gets people to believe in robots by shooting aliens in Mars.

WoD is good when you objectify politics and no longer care. But so many players are actual retards who don't understand basic real life things to even entertain magical factions being involved.

>>96713882
The Technocracy isn’t the MIC, it’s all of modernity. You think it micromanages the parts of modernity you dislike but has no impact on the best because you have a very low IQ.

>>96713885
You're just troonsperging now. No shit they're all of modernity, including the MIC. They're also part of the MIC, as in they are literally producing new technology and using the MIC as one method to make it consensual and also siphon primal energy. The Syndicate makes money off it, Iteration X makes new tech consensual, NWO gets new surveillance technology. This should be obvious, but not to people who chopped their penises off apparently.

>>96713882
>introduce new weapons into the scientific research of the US or some such other power
>it is weaponized and tested before being used in the war

By definition that’s already in the consensus. You’re wrong anyway, general ideas about technology change consensus without war all the time. No idea why you head canon a war being necessary when you can just have robots in all aspects of life

>>96713898
I’m a far right white nationalist /pol/ type, I just don’t bring it up here because it isn’t relevant and unlike you I have high IQ. I wish you would go live out the Amish for awhile so you would apologize to the technocracy and admit your Shire fantasy is fake and gay

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>>96713882
>They don't control everything, but war is a method to condition new tech into Consensus, and it also gives them paradox-free primal energy from the Masses. Because the Technocracy needs to condition technology into consensus, you fucking retard. You're talking about them without even having read the book, you just read the wiki. Gaza is a testing ground, so is the Iron Dome, so is the rest of the wars. You're retarded if you think gets people to believe in robots by shooting aliens in Mars.
>WoD is good when you objectify politics and no longer care. But so many players are actual retards who don't understand basic real life things to even entertain magical factions being involved.

My retarded brother. The Technocracy doesn't start wars willy nilly. But by your reading, they might as well be responsible for all of them.
The Technocracy needs the Masses to accept the technology for it to become a common place but that doesn't fucking start at war, especially not weapons. It's not even M20 thing, the Technocracy are very careful about weaponry since like 2nd Edition. See Pandora Effect.
Primal energy is good and all but you know what's the primary energy source of the Technocracy? That's Nodes. Not using temporary wells formed from a war.

>>96713902
You don't even know how Conditioning works because you haven't read the books you retard. Most blatant example is the Void Engineers hovering UFOs around as an attempt to get people to accept new aircraft designs.

>>96713909
You should go visit an Israeli chip factory since you're too retarded to use a search engine or use your imagination. No wonder you have to do mental gymnastics to say the Technocracy isn't using Israel as a base to condition new tech and own the third world.

>>96713932
Did I say they start wars? You have to imagining things just so you don't have to think about the Technocracy in Israel. They are USING the EXISTING wars to condition technology and make money. They also, literally, used the 20th' century Middle Eastern conflicts to push the Traditions back. Nodes are good. Guess what? That's not enough. They need a constant flow of millions or billions of dollars, part of which they get from black budgets, contracts and investments which include defense contractor investments which obviously increase with war.

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>>96713946
>That's not enough. They need a constant flow of millions or billions of dollars, part of which they get from black budgets, contracts and investments which include defense contractor investments which obviously increase with war.
I am sorry to say, your stupidity is terminal.
They are the economy already, they already have trillions and such small wars aren't even a blimp in it.
The Technocracy doesn't purposely bomb sandshitters to make "pennies" or get bigger budgets. They aren't some agency that needs to justify their existence to UN or Goverment.
Hell, Israel war is so primitive that it probably doesn't even help with Consensus. There are no death rays or power armors going on there, all of which is public knowledge in WoD.

curious how the quality of the thread always goes to absolute shit in the same way when magefags start arguing. they're truly the worst

>>96713749
Anon, you're a newfag who only stirs shit. You post in reddit, you post it here. Magefags hate you, troons in reddit hate you as well. And thanks to all the shit stirring, other fags hate you too.
In fact, you are basically only complaining about something and baiting.
You never talk about anything else. Not about any game, not about a character, not about stupid 5th Edition etc.

>>96713882
I think what you're missing is that Ascension is not about some "vulgar leftist" ideas about the impersonal forces of capital and whatnot. Even in the first edition, they painted it as the masses being seduced by what the Technocracy has to offer, and there were some aspects they refused, they're not just puppets. That's why I'm against trying to ascribe everything to mages, sometimes it's just people.
Also, in real life, there are evangelical Christians who support Israel because they think the Gog and Magog prophecy says so, why wouldn't these people exist in WoD.

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What needs flavours are the best shuck splats are associated with them

>>96714236
PURPLE AND PINK
PURPLE AND PINK
…mage

The thing to get about Mage is that the “flaw” of mages is they squabble and that stops them from being able to achieve ascension. The traditions are right about some things, the technocracy is right about some things, they’re all just catty bitches. That’s why the good ending to their apocalypse book do the tradition and technocracy working out their differences to cause humanity to ascend.

The Garou flaw is that they are raging murder furries that can’t chill out. Vampires are just evil though, leeches gotta go

Question for Changeling (Lost) players: Has any player character in your games been driven to a point where they had no other option but to drop the Mask to get out of their predicament?

>>96714329
>The thing to get about Mage is that the “flaw” of mages is they squabble and that stops them from being able to achieve ascension
This is why the Massasa war was so funny to me. Hermetics had ALL the tools to blow the everloving fuck out of the Tremere, but they didn’t because they would rather DIE than work together with that asshole who mocked his ritual robes.

Why do the Union act like they’re different from the Sons of Ether? They’re stuck in the 1990s the same way they’re stuck in the 1890s.

Did the Union just decide “Yes, the 90s were the aesthetic peak of science, yes.”

>>96714406
The nineties were awesome fuck you

Bone Gnawer gf who is unknowingly dating an overworked middle manager Technocracy bf

>>96713281
Reppstsome of your other Jackie drawings

>>96714513
Let's hope he's not NWO or Iteration X

>>96714634
>Syndicate middle manager dating a homeless girl
>'Babe, please, I could buy you this whole block if you want, just please get a house'
>'No', says the Bone Gnawer, retreating further into her trash can

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>>96712614
Very nice anon, Is he opening a Pulp Fiction style golden briefcase? Also, did you ever work more on your O'Tolley's piece?

>>96713833
At my table I made ICE ignorant enforcers of the second Inquisition, vanning lots of ghouls off the streets along with illegals and raiding havens across the country

>>96714720
That's fine, I just don't think they need to put that type of stuff into canon, leave some stuff open to interpretation. Plus people play these games long after they come out, they can't expect new updates every year for the current state of the world.

>>96714720
BASED!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!1!!11!!!!!!!!!!!11

>>96714762
While I agree with you in general, I think connecting RL stuff to VTM can be pretty cool. Like making Pete Hegseth into one of a member of the Society of Leopold or something to that extent. No more Rudys please

>>96714720
>At my table I made ICE ignorant enforcers of the second Inquisition
Listen. I don’t want illegal or less than quality immigrants in my country. But the whole ICE thing is clearly clustering rather than targeting. “How do we know which ones are actually illegal, Jim?” “Dunno, best to just found them all up!”.

>>96714919
*round them all up

>>96714919
The alternative is doing nothing. Could it be handled better? Yes. Absolutely. But it is a lot worse to not do anything. The bad apples have to be removed.

>>96714919
I don't even care how it's going or for what reason. It can be adapted into VTM and make a tough foe for PCs to fight/evade/run away from.

>>96713396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ckAXDe3ujw

>>96714513
>>96714673
No joke, I would read it. I wish there was a writefag capable of doing it justice.

>>96714939
>The alternative is doing nothing
Why?

>>96714939
>The bad apples have to be removed.
And who are the bad apples? According to who? When they make massively illegal actions like raising an entire apartment complex because there might be some illegals there, and are constantly arresting American citizens and Native Americans because they're brown it's clear they aren't actually looking for "bad apples."

>>96715127
Because any attempt at doing something will be met with backlash. No amount of correction will satisfy.
>>96715216
>And who are the bad apples? According to who?
That’s kind of the point… There’s always going to be mistakes.

>>96715227
Or it's just a Nazi regime starting with "acceptable" undesirables and testing how much evil you'll let them get away with.

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask about this, but how does Weakness work in Aberrant?

>>96715227
>Because any attempt at doing something will be met with backlash. No amount of correction will satisfy.
If the issue is possible backlash, why do it the way the get the most backlash?

>>96715297
Because if you never do anything for fear you'll be called a meanie nothing will ever get better.

>>96715288
>Easy. Is it brown? Then it's a bad apple. Out of America, one way trip.
Half of USA is brown mate.

>>96715312
Did I stutter?

>>96713749
The Lions are way, waaaay too small to do anything other than hunt down the occasional argentinian grandpa.

>>96715365
The Lions are a Mage group. If they don't have significant power and influence as THE premier mage group in Israel, that literally has protection and teaching of Jews as core tenants, they are shitty Mages.

Like, Templars are also a small group but they still have access to significant wealth and power.

>>96715311
>Making everything worse on purpose
>DURR YOU HAVE TO TO MAKE IT BETTER HURR

I get banned on this board for retarded shit all the time yet jannies allow political posts like those

>>96714807
>Hegseth
He's one of the warrior caste for the Seventh Generation.

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>>96714673
I WANNA HAVE A SYNDICATE SUGAR MOMMY GF!

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>>96715227
>There’s always going to be mistakes.
mistakes such as... deporting a whole factory of legal korean workers!!! ups!!! sorry bros, you're subhuman yellows so we had to chain you like slaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjBegb1Fl8M

>>96715216
You can see how the goalpost has been blatantly changed by the grifters.

At first they lied and say they were only going to deport violent illegal immigrants to get the support of minority groups
Then they say every ilegal immigrant, even honest and working people should be deported
Then it doesn't matter if you're legal or illegal they will arrest you if you're brown, yellow or any other color
Now your legality doesn't matter you'll just get deported if you criticised israel or any of the new administration policies even if you're white

>no one responded to my Wraithpost
>everyone would rather argue with redditors or talk politics
+1 Angst

>>96714919
>“How do we know which ones are actually illegal, Jim?”
You demand to see their green card, visa or other proof of legal stay.

>>96715626
And now they're trying to classify Antifa, which is an idea that has no formal organizing, membership, or core concept save "resist against fascism," as a "terrorist organization" so they can call anybody who dares speak against the regime an enemy of the state.

The Red Talons were right about everything.

>>96715670
>Still arresting citizens who try to show their ID
Last I checked you're supposed to have a warrant and know who you're actually going after in this country.

>>96714807
>Like making Pete Hegseth into one of a member of the Society of Leopold
Special Affairs Department would suddenly get a nice boost to their budget

>>96715661
Your mistake was thinking people would want to talk about Wraith

>>96709624
Main problem is, they are all fucked.
They aren't like Vampires, who can just fuck off from the whole Jihad BS. They aren't Mages who have cosmic power on their hands, who can eventually retire to their own realm. They aren't even Werewolf, who might live a horrible filled with fighting and dying for a cause that seems lost but at least they have their Homelands and the Legendary Realm if they are worthy.
Wraiths are in a shithole, and they all know it.

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Hey, anons. Do you want fuck some chicks while playing WoD?
Well, just do Dark Romance games and all of them are gonna do ERP with your NPCs.
They assaulted a guy from this "Ethereal Treason" band just because the fucker looked like a Dark Romance character (i.e. the most generic WoD character you can think of). This is hilarious.

>>96715899
wtf?

>>96715899
Well...there is a reason WoD LARP scene is filled with sexual assault.

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>>96715899
>fuck some chicks
Pictured: one of the chicks

>>96714673
Never ask a Syndicate member who the SPD work with

>>96715785
The mistake is hoping that people here would do anything but argue about Mage.

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>>96716048
Never ask a Glass Walker who they are working with. (Red Talons would be furious)

>>96716052
It wouldn't be so bad if the people arguing about Mage had a basic understanding of it

>>96716052
It's like 2-3 retards shitting up the entire thread. I'm here for the bloodsuckers

>>96715899
I have one guy and three chicks at my table. There's constant ERP going on and I wish I had put a stop to it when I had the chance because now it derails the main plot.

>>96715726
S.A.D. got cut by DOGE.

>>96716236
Don't worry, they rapidly rehired them a week later.

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>>96716216
>three chicks
Are they hot?

>constant ERP
Any memorable stories to tell?

>>96716037
It would be even funnier if the chicks in that convention looked like that. But they are just your average-looking girls who dress as goth/emo/punk or a mix of those three.
Go search for Sinners & Stardust event pics. You'll see how the girls are.

>>96716216
>when you realize that monsterfucking is currently the most popular genre of adult fiction aimed at women
>and not like "sexy vampire" monsters, like "cow-headed minotaur", "gigantic horse cock" monsters

man, shitty green texts of fake sex stories used to be believable

>>96716346
Anon, I swear to you that what I typed with >>96716346 is absolutely true. And it goes as far as
>"You don't understand, I want the direwolf to impregnate me because me carrying a litter of his puppies is a blow against the patriarchy."
You feel your brain voluntarily spinning down because it just can't fucking take it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ3OPifyQZ8

>>96716048
>Look, I understand Pentex, they have some promising businesses promising almost unnatural growth quarter by quarter
>But what's that newbie doing with that dog?!
>Cut to the middle manager cuddling with his Bone Gnawer gf
>Employee morale, sir
>...Each day I understand the NWO more

>>96716365
>with >>96716346
Fuck. With >>96716326 I mean.

>>96716365
What kind of shitty video is this? Is shoeonhead now shilling for puritan bullshit?

>>96716378
>now
sorry you fell for it, bro

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>>96716326
I don't have that one anons screenshot but I managed to find them myself in Amazon.
>>96716346
Unfortunately this time it's real.

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>>96715899
>the chicks in question

>>96716378
Have you've read a romantic story. They tend to devolve into weird form of power lay that invo,ve "shadow daddys" ro some form of fucked up "I can fix him" relationships

>welfare/single/stay-at-home mothers are obscenely horny and will shamelessly seize upon any risqué fantasy that allows them to escape the mundane monotony of their lives
Some things never changed, including how shocked some sheltered nerds are when they discover that grown women enjoy fantastical erotica.

>>96716476
So what? That's been a thing since forever.

>>96716414
Fuck, some of those girls actually sound hot.
I need help.

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You have no reason to not be gaming with women if your prose is superior to this.

>>96716532
>he thinks the prose matters

>>96716514
Probably because it's always males that get called gooners when it's all of us.

>>96716532
>Torolf almost had a dick aneurysm
Truly a masterpiece.

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>>96714540
Aight
She’s just chilling and selling weed in New York, no big deal

>>96716414
>Malkavian bitches be like

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>>96716555
Jackie the trash wolf seems to know everyone in the big apple, whether they want her to or not

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>>96716323
>Sinners & Stardust
Grim.

>>96712943
>And neither the incident nor policy is found in a W:tA source, so >>96711216 (You) is even more full of shit.
What are you talking about dumbass? The Fianna having an alliance with the fae is in the Storyteller's Guide for CtD

>>96716708
>purprosedly getting the least attractive chicks on the convention

>>96716753
You gonna make a point or are you just another retard who never reads the books, garoutranny?

>>96716770
The two most recent posts have videos from a fat girl and an ugly trap. I'm just too lazy to post videos.

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>>96716708

>>96716708
What's wrong with those women? All of them are hot.
I understand if you don't like the red-dress one 'cause she may be too chubby for you.

I'm a first time ST planning on running a Demon the Descent game. Does anyone have any tips or tricks that I should keep in mind before the game, during sessions, or while doing prep?

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>>96716581
Glabro form Jackie

>>96716948
Hot.

>>96716708
Ngl the one on the right isnt bad looking.

>>96716708
>This is who WoD 5e is trying to appeal to
>This is the #vamily

>>96716770
I’ve taken a look at the photos on their site. They aren’t exactly any better.

>>96716904
>What's wrong with those women?
>I’m in this picture and I don’t like it
Far right is okay. But the rest, Jesus, you cannot be that desperate and starved for female attention.

MtAw1e ST here.
Players had lots of fun with session. Sometimes I forget they don't know the plot and things that are lazy-ass for me aren't necessary lazy-ass for them.
The bane of GM, I guess.

>>96716532
>Average Kinfolk woman experience

>>96716948
Not gonna lie, she really does look like what I imagine stereotypical Bone Gnawer. Great job.

>>96716963
WoD always appealed to these types of women.
I remember in a LARP session a girl coming on a leash and walking around like a dog while her ghoul (i.e. her boyfriend) hold the leash.
I don't doubt some of those are players since Revised or 20th anniversary and they have their own discord server to do WoD Dark Romance ERP.

>>96716992
>average kinfolk experience*
Fixed for you.

>>96716927
For DtD specifically? No, I've never ran it. However, some general ST tips I could give are
>Have a plan, have notes, have things prepared, but don't over-fixate on notes and session prep. No matter how well you think you know your players, they will throw you a curveball, don't get attached to a hard plotline.
>Get used to thinking from the perspective of important NPCs. That way when something unexpected happens, you can have them react in a way that feels consistent with their character.
>Remember that you have all the info, your players do not. As a result, players can feel very dumb even when they aren't. If they aren't the types to ask it on their own, prompt them to make Occult, Academics, etc rolls for information their characters could reasonably know or infer.
>Pay close attention to the kind of players your players are. Passive players need prompting and don't go off the beaten path very often. Active players will make moves on their own, to which you must react to. Passive players require more proactive STing, active players require more reactive STing.
>Don't let any of the above advice get in the way of everyone having fun.

>>96717002
>coming on a leash and walking around like a dog
I mean, it's probably cheaper than the local bdsm club.

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Would you?
I would, probably because I have a tiara fetish.

I do not care for the Umbra.

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>>96716948
>>96716993
Thanks, yeah it’s a really fun archetype to play around with. Plus just having a friendly bone gnawer compared to all the rage boner wolves is a fun contrast

>>96717082
Same.

>>96717082
Okay Peter but how do you feel about the Shadow?

>>96716964
And developers.
It's always nice to remember that players aren't obliged to follow your breadcrumbs and plot points. Sometimes they just want to do their own thing, find their own fun.
I had a coterie that just wanted to play management game, run the best goddamn Elysium in the world regardless of any other plot I tried to introduce.
It is one of my most memorable ones.
>>96717082
Don't worry, it doesn't care for you either.

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>>96714513
>Not even the technocracy can save us
The world had fallen...billions must join the hunt.

>>96716236
And gave them a free flight to the Vatican, weird parting gift if you ask me.

>>96717050
Nah, it wasn't. BDSM clubs around here are cheap to go in. What is expensive is drink and food.

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Why the fuck would any human side with gayia? Humans should side with themselves, not “the Earth.” This is actually mirrored in the Nasuverse (fate stay night/type moon) where Alaya is the spirit of humanity and diverged from Gaia long ago.

In that sense the Red Talons are right, humans are far more important to me than any sort of hippie balance shit. Gaia, werewolves, those blue tree hugging queers in avatar, fuck em all

>>96717755
>Why the fuck would any human side with gayia? Humans should side with themselves, not “the Earth.”

Let's be real, there is no strict 'i side with humanity' bullshit, because all the human factions, from PENTEX to the Technocracy, all don't have whats best for humanity in mind. PENTEX wants to shove banes up your ass and salt the earth so you will have nothing for your next generation other than filth and death. Technocracy have 'greater good' as their reasoning, but if greater good means leaving you to die on that desolate dying rock while the wealthy all get to go to space to be with the tech mages, then they'll do exactly that while reaping the profits from the the fags using toxic waste as lube to fuck you. None of them want what's best for you, and see you as expendable in the long run.

Gaia's got plenty of dog brained fuckwits on her side that thought killing everyone would work, it's why her side is losing so damn badly, but at the very least their end goal isn't fucking the planet to death or selling you out to those same people that will fuck the planet to death.

>>96717755
If "humanity" is composed of schizos like yourself I would let the woofs destroy every single one of you.

>>96716721
The bit with the Fianna is the only thing supported in W:tA texts. You're not going to find anything else; the Get of Fenris Revised tribebook in particular glosses over anything involving changelings on the grounds that they have way more important things to worry about; you're not going to find any notes about enchanted servitude in Hispo there.

I am done with Session 0 of my Technocrat chronicle is done, they are mostly fine. One Progenitor Pokemon Trainer, an Iteration X with giant tits who should have been Progenitor with all of her bioaugments but is too in love with heavy weaponry and a somewhat bland but by-the-books NWO agent who is probably going to be the straight man of the group.

But one of my players, very new, doesn't know what to pick or play. I tried all session to include her but it didn't work and she basically wants me to create her character.

Give me ideas. This thread already gave me several but I want to hear more.

>>96718088
>Void Engineer "Dimensional Phenomena" Advisor, back in reality after some bad situations in Horizon Space
>Syndicate muscle who isn't great at crunching numbers but very talented at crunching skulls

>>96717755
If you only care about humanity you either become a hunter with your only gola being to kill supernatural shit or you embrace the Weaver and strive towards Static Reality

>>96718131
>>Void Engineer "Dimensional Phenomena" Advisor, back in reality after some bad situations in Horizon Space
It could work but since she is very new, I am hesitant to make her any kind of advisor, let alone of Umbra.
>>Syndicate muscle who isn't great at crunching numbers but very talented at crunching skulls
This could work. Noted.

Thank you!

>>96717755
>Why the fuck would any human side with gayia?
Because uncontested human progress leads to one of three outcomes:
>The Wyrm's corruption of civilisation causes civilisation to collapse and the Wyrm to liberate itself. The Apocalypse happens and the Garou are unable to stop it, leading to the destruction of all that is, including humanity.
>The Weaver becomes ascendant and enacts its final solution, reinforcing the Gauntlet until reality is cut off from the Umbra. The two halves of reality are effectively severed from each other. The Umbra dies without anything real to sustain it and reality dies without anything spiritual to sustain it.
>The Weaver becomes ascendant and enacts its final solution, reinforcing the Gauntlet until reality is almost cut off from the Umbra. It maintains enough of a link between the two worlds to keep the Tellurian from dying but cuts off the spirit world to the point where the supernatural ceases to exist in the real world, allowing humanity to turn Earth into a stagnant and labyrinthine dystopia.
Two of those result in the end of all things and one of those results in a dystopian nightmare devoid of magic and individuality. Prioritising humanity over the world's wellbeing results in either a dead world or a shitty world, it's just the way of things.
>Well I think that's retarded.
If you want a game with a HFY message and a positive view of humanity, don't play WoD games and especially don't play WtA.

>>96716294
One is VERY good looking. Like "pinup model with instagram simps" good looking.
The other two are more like cute and gothy/nerdy.
>Stories
I have quite a few but I'm not sure if I should continue derailing the thread.
But one of them plays a Verbena who made a super viagra ointment using wandering spider venom, magic shrooms and FUCKING METIS BLOOD. She likes rubbing it in the only male character's asshole, then the rest of the ladies (all of them play two characters, although rarely at the same time) proceed to drain his swollen balls for days straight, collecting all the cum to turn it into perfect pearls and sell them for a fortune. They made about three million dollars.

>>96718271
>I have quite a few but I'm not sure if I should continue derailing the thread.
Believe me, you will not derail the thread. Because this thread never had rails in the first place. We are like the Polar Express, drifting above the ice. Sometimes above shit, like Crat baiter, sometimes above gold, like drawfags >>96717122 and >>96712614.

Give us all your stories.

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HtV went really fucking well. The group were contacted by their semi-patron, a Slasher named Red who alerted them to a monster in town that needed murdering. He inferred that the monster had been poisoned by him, but that was a lie. Elsewhere, the Hunter with Striking Looks made the papers with a decent sketch artist impression of him, after chasing a Slasher out into the road and cutting him to pieces last session. His boss, also a Slasher (but secretly), cornered him at work and strongly implied that they should "get together some time", "paint the town red, cut loose" and such. Our Librarian was possessed by a ghost and sleepwalked to the crime scene of a deceased PC, where she forcibly relived the murder.

But later that night, the group went to investigate this guy. He's a journalist for the local tabloid rag, and he thinks he's losing his mind. All week he can hear everything, smell everything happening on his apartment floor. He's about to turn into a werewolf, but to dampen the intensity of the smells he has doused his apartment in bleach and cleaning products. It hasn't worked. As they try to get inside, the group decide to put plastic bags on their feet. Just incase.

The man began to transform, and the group lost their shit. They were expecting a Slasher. They shouted for Lenny, the Werewolf hunter who didn't have his silver sword on him (just his regular sword). Duncan pulled the fire alarm and fumbled for his one silver bullet. Rebecca began searching the cutlery draws of the apartment for silverware, finding a fancy cheese fork. Siobahn lost her shit to Lunacy. They managed to kill the guy, after a drawn out fight, a gas leak and Duncan firing a bullet that started a fire.

>>96718300
>They shouted for Lenny, the Werewolf hunter who didn't have his silver sword on him (just his regular sword).
Boo, what kind of Werewolf hunter ever leaves his silver sword? You will take shit to everywhere because you are already on the shitlist of Werewolves and you will face one at the most unexpected places and times.

Sounds like a great session.

>>96718300
Rebecca stabbed the werewolf twice with a silver cheese fork, and dealt two aggravated damage to it over the encounter. Duncan pulled the fire alarm, causing crowds to form around the lift and stairs as the fire spread rapidly. The Werewolf kool-aided through several apartments, killing 8 tenants as the group gave chase. It nearly killed Duncan, knocking him to 6 lethal and initiating a grapple that surely would have killed him before I rolled a 1 on the follow-up attack. Eventually, the group managed to put the werewolf down.

Two turns later as they tried to escape the inferno, a second werewolf showed up. A would-be pack leader who Lennox has been hunting for three years. Seeing her newest packmate dead in a fire, she lunged into Gauru and attacked the Hunter. They traded blows for two turns, Duncan barely managing to stay concious with the wound penalties to his Stamina as Siobahn helped people evacuate. Rebecca stabbed the newcomer with her cheese fork again. Realising she was outnumbered, the werewolf shifted forms and escaped ,leaping out of an 18th storey window as flames engulfed the apartment building.

The session ended with the group sucking down oxygen.

It was a great session, character-stuff, an exciting combat, the plot progressed. Giving myself a pat on the back.
>>96718333
He won't be making that mistake again anytime soon I'm sure.

>>96718232
>Because uncontested human progress leads to one of three outcomes
Only in Werewolf, retard.

>>96718271
like the other anon said, it'd be way better than the normal state of these threads

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>>96718271
>Syndicate's face when they find out they've been trading crystalized reality deviant cum

>>96718300
>>96718333
Kino. I have high hopes for Lenny, making a fatal mistake like that and still surviving? He should be ready next time and I mean READY.

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>>96718484
Honestly, not the strangest thing Syndicate deals with.

>Running VtM
>One player wants to be a ghoul
>Of another player
Not sure what to do in this situation

>>96718354
Not like it's been doing so great in other games, either. Especially not Mage.

>>96718037
So... what's even your point? You're acting like everything I said was wrong when it's literally book lore. What the fuck is your problem? Just retarded?

>>96718675
Tell them the truth: it's a mistake. Even if they're doing it primarily because of fetish shit, it's still a mistake. The game isn't designed around playing ghouls, it's designed for vampires. Yes you can play ghouls, but it's a weirdo option for good reason. If they want a weird S&M fetish relationship between their characters, they can literally just play a submissive vampire waifu/husbando who likes to wear a leash and they'll still be able to enjoy the full range of the game.

>>96716581
You know I think you made her a Red Talon initially.
One of the only Lupus that took interest in human cities and all that

>>96718297
>>96718381
Fine.
This happened within the first few sessions:
>Cabal (at the time composed of 3PCs and a bunch of NPCs) has to infiltrate a luxury museum gala to steal a treasure of gemstones that are actually periapts
>Etherite has to pretend he's a socialite
>Problem is he dresses like you'd expect a labrat to dress
>Ecstatic decides to give him a makeover, under the watchful eye of her Euthanatos "bestie"
>She bathes him and constantly makes comments about his firm ass
>She outright grabs his cock and tells the Euthanatos to go get a measuring tape
>After playing around for a while, they dress him up like a proper gentleman
>They tease him about how much better he looks in a suit and even get grabby
>The heist comes, they steal the gemstones, you probably don't care about this part
>As the three flee the scene they describe the adrenaline rush
>Ecstatic pulls them inside an alley, gets on her knees and describes how she sucks the Etherite's dick
>Euthanatos watches with great interest
>After Etherboy cums, the Ecstatic stands up, cradles the other girl's face in her hands and spits half of the sperm in her mouth
>"You did half of the job, you deserve half the reward."
>The three run back to the cabal's safehouse and then ERP a long session of "wholesome and romantic" three-way sex, aided by the Ecstatic's rotes to increase the pleasure
>Next morning, the other cabal members are having breakfast together when they see the two women come out of the Etherite's room with their shoes in their hands trying to not to make any noise
>Wave of witty comments, mockery, hollering
>Ecstatic goes along with the joking, basically saying "The best way to open a mind is to open your legs."

>>96718354
No, it's the case in pretty much all of them except (ironically) Vampire.

>>96718757
Mages ascend the world in their endtimes book and I will always side with them over ludditefags, cringe murderfurries, and other associated detritus. I care nothing for your hippie bullshit or weakness

>>96718964
Best thing is that none of it will matter (probably) because capital G will reset the timeline since Cain needs to learn humility

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>the game isn't HFY
>human beliefs literally shape the nature of reality
>listen man you have to worship the earth mother who created the creatures that murdered your ancestors for countless years
>it's bad to seek the transcendence that definitely doesn't exist ha ha

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Here's my plan: we create a tradition of mages whose goal is to gather enough power to perform a ritual to summon him into existence to lead humanity into beating up the Wyrm, Weaver, woofs, vampires, etc

>>96712023
Just taking a look at that thread, most of the discussion wasn't even about the Technocracy. Are you sure you aren't making shit up?

>>96719003
Any more art of this creature? I like it

>>96718881
that's nice

>>96712023
>>96719038
Having been lurking that thread, it's mostly some deranged vampfag getting pissed off that the kindred could not destroy or sabotage the Ordo then bringing up the Technocracy as a shitty "gotcha!" then getting even MORE mad when it got mentioned that the Ordo has an actual omnipotent on their side. He's basically just coming here to try and stir up shit in his defense after he got his ass beat in a crossover thread.

>>96719034
least blatant hunter bait post

Will probably repost this in the next thread for opinions.

I'm reading on WtO to run a table next month, and have finished both core 2e and now a few minor books. Here's the question:
Is Charon actually intended to be an incompetent, complacent and greedy leader or am I getting him wrong? The guy seems like a pretty fucking terrible leader, either because he's outright dumb or someone who was never meant to take charge at all. Is this the right interpretation of the character?

>>96719687
I don't think he's dumb, but someone was bound to claim lordship of the Dark Kingdom of Iron/Stygia
I also like the 1e suggestion that there may be multiple people that have pretended to be Charon

>>96719687
That's up to your interpretation, really. He can range from incompetent to malicious to deranged to just jaded. Pretty much the only thing he can't be is a good leader, because that's half the premise of the game.

>>96718990
Mages can ascend in their book. Unless your ST decides to make victory turn to ashes in your mouth.

>>96718998
If either of those even exist.

>>96713281
>image
Just for the sake of tangent, shifters can actually turn other people into shifters, but it's a convoluted and little-addressed thing that only two types of fera really engage in.

>>96719899
To be clear, they ascend all of reality. All sleepers ascend with them