Stop treating TTRPG's like war games.
>>96713150Wargames are peak for roleplaying though.
They are wargames though.
>>96713160>>96713262Plenty of RPGs can be played without combat at all.
>>96713150Troll Tourist spotted
>>96713313Who says wargames have to be about combat.
>>96713150Have you tried not playing D&D?
>>96713150No, you should stop treating bad acting and shitty kinks as a board game.
>>96713150Stop writing games that only have rules for combat
>>96713313Wargames don’t have to mean moving minifigures around for combat like warhammer.
>>96713150You have confused your storytelling hobby with my ROLE-PLAYING GAME.
>>96713705Examples?
>>96713262They literally aren't, they're roleplaying games.
>>96714940Deservedly so, the player should shut his fucking mouth and take his ass to a different game if he's upset about it, per the founding ruler/creator of the hobby himself. So sayeth the king.
>>96714948Hence why Tabletop Top Story Books aren't games
>>96714966Hence, why wargames are not roleplaying games.
>>96714940>wtf, why is this one medium is different from this other medium?People on /tg/ get stupider by the year, don't they?
>>96714940You've never seen or heard of a 40k sperg going red-hot autismal over a rules disagreement?
>>96713150>play 40k crusade>named all the sergeants, gave them a brief background, wrote in command units and gave them a more extensive service history>write background for independent faction units and why they were requisitioned by the main fighting force>paint them all and give some of the HQs little trinkets on the models to match up with their background>characters grow throughout the campaign, adapt their tactics to match their opposition. >story written through gameplay>by the end of the campaign write a little epilogue for the survivors idk man sounds like a skill issue, I had more fun playing this than any ttrpg
>>96715043TTRPG's are to Wargames what MOBA's are to RTS. Most people are total brainlets and are too lazy to paint up an army and learn a ruleset. So they play a ttrpg where the DM tells them the rules and gives them a model. They only have to manage one guy and his prewritten plot, though many players still fail at remembering how their guy mechanically works.Being a GM is like playing both sides of a wargame; the entire opposing faction and all the non-hero units of the player faction. You're also a host, social coordinator, referee, etc.Being a GM is harder, but less fun than wargaming. Being a player is easier so more people do that
>>96715043>I had more fun playing this than any ttrpgCool beans!>>96715122nice samefag.
>>96713150Bold of you to call out Shadow of the Demon Lord like that.
>>96715122Imbecilic comparison. Please don't ever post again.
>>96715184>MOBAs were born as a homebrew of RTSs>TTRPGs were born as a homebrew of Wargames>MOBAs realized that brainlets can't into RTS so they made the player only focus on one unit with an emphasis on customization>TTRPGs realized that brainlets can't into Wargames so they made the player only focus on one unit with an emphasis on customization>MOBAs forced the computer to run all the other units and setting for the players>TTRPGs forced the GM to run all the other units and setting for the playersSeems pretty apt to me
>>96715122mobas also kinda play like mini rpgs. I like all of the games I just lean more towards wargaming, and RTS when I can cause I found a few that kinda feel like wargaming. Company of heroes is a great game for people that like wargaming, its slower paced, you quite literally manage squads with “models” in them, you can give the units gear upgrades. its pretty awesome if you can get some friends into it.>>96715162please, I’m not so philosophical about it I just wanna play some games
>>96713150Why?
>>96713150You don't even understand how an apostrophe works, why the fuck should I care what you have to say?
>>96713150Stop trying to tell other people how to have fun. The only "right way" to run a ttrpg is to enjoy it at your table.
>>96713984irl war tables where you slide battalion boxes around.
>>96715428This entire board is about telling people they're having fun wrong.
>>96715813While arguing over definitions they don't agree on regarding shit they don't even understand
>>96715813Nah. I'm right here posting and don't do that at all. It's like Gandhi said: it's ok if she's only a niece. Wait not that one... "be the change you want to see on the board."
>>96715042I've heard of it, but never seen it. Based on this experience I can only assume that it's perishingly rare.
>>96715042>>96715961it only exists outside of casual play which you should never be drifting to with this game anyway
>>96713160this>losses are inevitable and misplays mean death so the stakes are built in, they dont have to be simulated by the GM>mass combat can be simulated, something rpgs often struggle with>natural story development>can still have heroes>combat doesn’t get scuffed after progression. even if a hero unit is strong he’s still just one guy.
"hobbying" lmao
>>96715005Why are you playing a game that has rules if you don't want to use the rules?
>>96713160I had some fun with a Chain of Command Battle of Moscow campaign>The German platoon was led by a stereotypical Nazi villain: a skinny, gaunt man who was an aristocratic hunter before the war>The platoon sergeants were a Nazi boy scout and two farm boys that joined together>The Soviet platoon was led by a party loyalist university graduate>His platoon sergeants were two factory workers that volunteered after their factories were relocated, another is an extremely fat man that the men loveThe little stories that they went through were fun to play out>In the first mission we calculated points wrong and the Soviets brought a flamethrower tank they shouldn't have had>We decided that the fat Soviet sergeant bribed the crew with his stolen rationsThe fat man always deployed near the cook site jumping off point, for flavor>One of the German farmboys led a vanglorious assault against the flamethrower tank, hoping to close the gap and place a satchel>All his men died, he survived and received a medal for his bravery>In the second mission the German managed to capture the fat man and one of the braver factory sergeants>The factory worker spent many campaign turns trying to break out while the fat man immediately gave up, lured by the promise of more rationsThe Soviets won most of the battles, the final fight was the German putting up a desperate defense against a Soviet counter attack>The younger of the two farm boys died in a previous assault and was replaced by a grizzled spanish civil war veteran>Who immediately died trying to ambush a T60By the end of it the German platoon was shattered and failed their objectives. The Soviet Lieutenant had earned the Red Star for subverting the stereotypes and competently leading his men on the front line.
>>96716746Wargamers and TTRPG GM's hobby, nobody else does
"hobby" can't be used as a verb you fucking retard
>>96717277It is an older term for kinnoseurs
>>96717318No. Stop arguing.
>>96713150I'm a weirdo, because my ideal sits directly between skirmish and roleplaying games.It's only a step forward from early D&D, where you were expected to use hirelings and whatnot.Streamline away the irrelevant systems, make the characters action sequence fast, keep a versatile enough core system to handle random ability challenges, but work out what you can agree on for the scenario conditions and narrative with whoever your opfor is, whether it be a GM or opposed player.I think skirmish games with living warbands are the greatest roleplaying games of all.
>>96717328Arguing and hobbying are my passions
Last warning.
>>96717341The greatest roleplaying experiences are in the bedroom
>>96717362That isn't a complete sentence uncle!
Cops are on the way.
>>96713150No one actually does this, some retard here just gets mad while imagining other people not doing it. And now you're getting mad imagining someone else getting mad while imagining something.
TTRPG Stories>And then I did this wild rulebreaking thing (the GM did 99% of the work adjudicating it) and then convinced the town guard (Made up on the spot by the GM, only existed to be convinced) to let us pass and infiltrate the sewers that we got the plans for (GM made the sewers and the plans and encounters) but then we ran into this big monsters (GM built it) and barely survived by the skin of our teeth (GM balanced it to not be a challenge)Wargame Stories>I played a game (Truth)
lol delusional
>>96715973Agreed, but it still ruins the notion of all wargamers being a docile, friendly bunch.
>>96717516>Competitive Wargamers are drawn from the Magic the Gathering crowd.>Magic the Gathering crowds clutter the same stores as TTRPG playersIt is a disease that spreads, likely through BO.
>>96717516I’ve played rpgs, tcgs, wargames, and board games. Wargamers tend to be the chillest. Maybe my view is skewed by witnessing MTG players cuss out middle schoolers as adult men, refuse handshakes, get verbally abusive and mad at losses, and other unstable manchild shit, and how I see MTG players overlap into the ttrpg crowd. But that’s just my experience.
>>96717516I’ve played rpgs, tcgs, wargames, and board games. Roleplaying gamers tend to be the chillest. Maybe my view is skewed by witnessing wargame players cuss out middle schoolers as adult men, refuse handshakes, get verbally abusive and mad at losses, and other unstable manchild shit, and how I see wargame players overlap into the board game crowd. But that’s just my experience.
>>96717582>>96717659Much like real life, the TTRPG post is a lesser derivation of the wargame post
>>96717659>>96717582Much like real life, the wargame post is a lesser derivation of the TTRPG post
>>96717582Wargamers are chill, it's tournament players who are a problem. I would even say casual 40k players aren't that bad, but those tournaments man. Those people are bad. Games that don't have a tournament scene have nicer players, and the handful of games with big tournament scenes (including 40k) have worse players. I literally watched some guy break out fucking calipers to nitpick his opponent's models for line of sight reasons, and of course the classic of breaking out precision scales to argue over whether a unit is 6.003 inches away or 5.998 because one means they can be charged and the other can't, and instead of just asking "hey, did you mean to move that into charge range?" they break out the fucking compass or a laser rangefinder.
>>96717277In fleeting moments of lucidity, do you ever realize that you're the useless kind of autist?
>>96717732You can just admit that you used a word wrong. It won't hurt you.
>>96717729RPG tournoment players are the real mega turbo fedora chud ogres
>>96717736Wasn't me. I'm just sick of seeing turds who feel (insert years when you were 15 to 25) are the cutoff for the evolution of speech. Grow up.
>>96717760Hobby isn't a verb, sorry.
>>96717758When was the last time there were RPG tournaments? 2003?
>>96717758Nah you're thinking of online ttrpg players. If you think the real ones are bad imagine how bad the players who can't show their faces in public are.
>>96713456It's literally in the name
>>96713150>got a bunch of tyranids>if we ever do rogue trader I can use them for encountersWho would win, 3 retards with a License to Dick, or 1 bugazoid with 4 arms?
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>>96717729I remember vaguely that one turbo-faggot tournie player who got so butthurt at another player for fucking over his bullshit strategy, he got him banned from all future tournaments. The faggot in question was waiting until the 2nd round to drop in all of his units, abusing a small exploit in the rules, and some other dude knew he was doing this, so he built an army specifically to fuck with him, with units that could move a long distance in a single round, blocking every single drop-in point for his army, effectively defeating him in the 2nd round.When I think of tournaments, I think of this kind of petty, nonsensical, retard bullshit that completely vacuums the fun out of the room from losers who are burger flippers at Hardee's, pretending to play commander, and winning at a hobby game, beating other people in similar, or better circumstances, thinking it makes them feel like less of a pathetic sack of shit loser.Tourney fags are the lowest scum on the totem pole. They're the equivalent of football dads, but instead of having a kid, they're even more pathetic, only having over-priced plastic miniatures to live vicariously through instead...AND THAT'S why I deliberately ignore or re-write certain rules in all of my tabletop RPG's. Because fuck rules lawyers and tourney-tards.
If your game's rules lead to non-sensical outcomes or behavior, your game is shit, and you should play something else.
>>96714940This has literally never happened once in human history
Retard OP hasn't played a wargame or has only played current GW slop.
>>96717791Language evolves based on how it is used. There is no actual right or wrong. If someone uses a word "wrong", but others hear it, like it and use it the same way, it becomes "right". If this wasn't so we'd still be speaking Proto-Indo-European.
>>96719130No, it's wrong, sorry. Sucks to suck.
>>96713150No
