Blackshield Chads Won EditionPrevious thread: >>96696510>Legacies:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Thread Question:If you have Blackshields armies, post them and what oaths you're picking. If you don't, do you want to start one? Which oaths would you build around?
How are 3.0 blackshields now compared to 1.0 blackshields?
Post what you're working on anons
Alone and Forgotten + Weapons of Desperation, an army of centurions going akimbo with autoguns and power fisting everyone they come across
>>96715002Blurry because I was in a rush, but finished this guy last night and glad him to his base in the morning
>>96714968>TQI have some Pale Nomads and Ashen Claw marines I've been mixing in my army. Might section them off into allies just for fun. Would probably do Reapers. Spoils of Victory also fits narratively.
>>96714904>xenos deathlockIMO, those are supposed to be looted necron weapons like pic related (sorry for primaris, but you get the idea)
>Sire, I cannot permit you to insult the baseline soldiery.
>>96715027the weapons are just a general term for really ANYTHING as long as its xenotechto me, the naming makes me think of a dark eldar spinter rifle, so if I was running that trait I think i'd use those
>>96714968Well GW decided to invent an oath that fits perfectly with my guys so I'm pretty pumped about that, Blade of the Just + Only in Death Does Duty End
>>96715068do deldar splinter rifles give cancer their users or explode? I think not
Thinking about doing Panoply of Old + The Flesh is Weak for an Iron Hands warband that has gone so far beyond even what Autek Mor is up to that they're just terminators looking for revenge with no strategic thought.The whole army losing access to reactions hurts though
>>96715068>as long as its xenotech
>>96715068A weapon with little to no AP? Splinter rifles are the farthest Xenos weapon from these. Necron gauss is probably the only GW proper bit that works if you handwave turning off any safties/miss use to overloading them. They're also the only truly exotic tech wildly in the galaxy at the time.
>>96715068>>96715027Neither of those fits that profile at all
>>96714968>tqNo. Don't have one. If I ever do any it'll probably just be the stupid centurion spam one.
>>96715131kek>>96715153profiles are just gamey contraptions. Their fluff fits necron weapons
>>96715112>>96715135>>96715153>"these here are my xenos deathlocks">"well I can clearly see they're a xenos weapon so it's easy to tell on the battlefield"i'm just modelling for fun, at long as it's xenos
>>96715153Gauss is literally safer disintegration tech. Gauss fits poorly understood xeno tech that uses a power source you can overcharge that atomizes both users and targets perfectly. I think it was even the implied origin.
>>96715171>Their fluff fits necron weaponsNecrons are not a thing in 30kIf anything the description of having been encountered during the GC and their profile fit Ork Kustom mega blastas a lot more
>>96715202>Necrons are not a thing in 30kThey absolutely are. They don't spawn into existence in 40k. Mining a tomb world will wake it up, its just a one-off encounter with metallic Xenos #54 as a foot note in the grand scheme. The mass awakening is years away, but you can kick a singular hornets nest. If the tomb world doesn't wake up for whatever reason, or is already dead, all the easier to loot their molecular flayer laser rifles off their massed infantry.
>>96715202>Necrons are not a thing in 30kSome tomb worlds had began to awaken during the Great Crusade and there were interaction between them and the spreading Imperium. There's also Necron operatives who remained active during the sleep to monitor the galaxy and act if a tomb world was threatened.
>Halo Blades are at-initiative AP2 Shred (5+)>Locks are AP2 overload (2)It's beautiful
>>96715011looks like Elton John farted on it
>>96715239>overload (2)This is the only thing holding me back. 20 shots from a vet support unit and a third die. If warmongers didn't suppress themselves so easily I might say screw it but I'm a loyalist stan so no maelific for me.
Blackshield rules still aren't moving the needle on me giving a shit about 3e, it's just still just so goddamned bland.
>>96715283Cool, post games of whatever you're playing instead or fuck off
BLACKSHIELD ANON WAKE UP
>>96715202Trazyn was around in 30k and some others were waking up
Here is your deathlock.
>>96715283As opposed to the other edition you didn't play either?
>>96715202Necrons have been a thing since 60 million years ago in 30k, and even if they had not yet begun to awake in numbers, there were many around as it was their tomb worlds.Remember Ferrus arms? >their profilestop thinking about profiles, ffs. It's gamey nonsense>Ork Kustom mega blastasThat's a bit better, but it still doesn't fit the forbidden weapons of doom of the deathlocks.The "-lock" suffix suggest to me a long gun (like a gauss flayerr) and "Halo Blades" are obviously xenophase blades
>>96715125I forgot about cortex controllers. Load up on praevians and have them join units to regain access to reactions from the cortex controller
>>96714968I'm considering running my Istvaan III Survivors list as Blackshields, but really they're more of a Shattered Legion, so I'll see how those come out.Shabrann Darr is a pretty good use case for the Endrydd Haar rules, at least, and Morturg can be either a centurion or a different HQ.There may be a very silly list where I take Alone + Forgotten primary + some other oath, take my 7 doomed world eaters as centurions and the 20 Death Guard as other units, then ally in 1500pts of Mechanicum to hold the line. Alone and Forgotten goes pretty hard when the 1d6+1 VP suicide bombers are scattered all over centre map at the start of the game and just need to cause enough chaos for the techpriests to reach the objectives.Not sure what to go for with the other Oath, though. Xenotech gets me Halo Blades and Deathlock vets, but there may be better picks.
>>96715308Oh shit they finally fixed that bullshit from last edition where cortex controllers arbitrarily only worked for cybernetica right
Alone and Forgotten makes me feel ironically noticed. It's better than Pride is Our Armor since it seems only the command slots that fill troop slots have to be Centurions so you still get 3 slots for consuls for the fancy detachments or logistical benefits and you can still take everything except troops. The wording on that one is a little iffy especially for an edition with such autistically written rules.
>>96715328Yeah so for a 95 point praevian tax you can add him to key units to gain reactions, and if terminators he can use battlesmith to repair a wound. Might be nice for saturnines especially
>The Blade of The Just>Alone and Forgotten>charge into blob, score 3 VP, with +4 bonus to win combat + bonus for each wound lost, and if you fail you gain 2-7 VPOh yeahIt's all coming together
>>96715332"may only include command choices" Sure you can add logistical benefits slots but you can't put anything in them.
>>96715283Cunts like you are so annoying. I bet you barely even 'played' 2nd edition either. Fuck off or actually get off your ass and play something else.
>>96715304>*deathcock
>>96715351But the command slots in a standard primary detachment can still be used to take consuls because only the command slots that replace troop slots have to be filled with centurions? Get a paragon of battle centurion with an extra +1WS and Initiative and give it a Halo Blade
>>96715344dont you only score blade of the just 3vp if you win the combat?
>>96715351Damn, I thought I had something there but you can't put Endrydd Haar in Alone and Forgotten, he's a High Command even if you use the prime advantage to fold him into a Command slot.
>>96715372Yeah, only the formerly Troops Slots require Centurions, every other Command slot can be anything. Also worth noting you can't run Praetors RAW
>>96714968So Alone and Forgotten is just a Movie Marines allied detachment, right? I kind of love it.Can you ally Blackshields to Blackshields in order to cordon off your six most insane centurions in their own allied det while your main force takes two more normal Oaths?
>>96715419>Can you ally Blackshields to BlackshieldsNo, because they have the same faction trait (Blackshields)
Okay yeah, soPanoply of Old + Flesh is weak, I get access to my grav guns and grav pistols still which I like, and my characters can still be in gorgon terminator armor. Take a few praevians here and there to give reactions. Termites and rhinos carrying 15, so shove 15 breachers or despoilers in them. My volkite medusan immportals can just be vet breachers. Land raiders can carry either 5 saturnines, or 7 terminators and a praevian. Dreadnoughts and vehicles can still do reactions, plus whatever unit gets the praevian. Praevians and techmarnes can repair the terminators, so definitely worth having battlesmith around those units.Panoply of old is admittedly pretty weak compared to basically any other oath, but whatever. I like my grav pistols and gorgon characters. Only In Death Does Duty End or Eternal Vendetta might fit better, the idea being they're still loyalist iron hands but have gone beyond even what the shattered legions are doing and have no strategic thought just wanting to die fighting traitors.
>Legacy of Nikaea gives every sgt an AP2 RS5-6 shot for free
>>96715458S10, force is double the stat not +1. Here's your pocket lascannon bro
>>96715419No, like the other guys says but I would allow it if the goal is a rag tag lost and confused group that congealed on the battlefield. Why not, it's equal hilarious and fluffy.
None of you are actually going to start Blackshields unless it's broken
So over all, whose armoury should be raided for blackshields? Time to decide which legion has the best legion specific equipment and prime advantage.
>>96715484>pocket lascannonwith a 1 in 3 chance to kill yourself and a 5% chance to wipe your whole unit
>>96715558If I can find the budget between AL and WB, I've always had a soft spot for atavists and Gerasene Host
>>96715558Except for the multiple Anons that already have models?>>96715574Classic subsequent post, pottery. Asphyx bolters seem hilarious if your goal is bolter spam.
>>96715574It depends on your strat, but off-hand SW, BA, WE, and TS most likely
>>96715579NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS
>In Disgrace All Are Equal>Pride is Our ArmourTime to spam Destroyers
>>96715574Imperial fists for storm shield tartaros, and blood angels for inferno pistol and assault cannon shenanigans sound fun. The perdition weapons are also decent.
>>96715617>DestroyersWhich are famously not elites.
Do these work on all models? Cuz I don't see anything saying they don't work on vehiclesIf so that means you can put a shotgun and heavy stubber on a rhino for free to have 2 status dealing guns compared to a havoc launcher that actually costs pointsThat's pretty funny
>>96715629oaths dont affect vehicles, its part of the blackshields RoW rules
>>96715002moar sallies
>>96715304More like horsecock
>>96715636They are separate things afaik
>>96715629No but->If so that means you can put a shotgun and heavy stubber on a rhino for free to have 2 status dealing guns compared to a havoc launcher that actually costs pointsNo.
>>96715629>36" Heavy Stubber with 5 shots and Suppressive instead of a bolt pistolWith this a master of signals could at least have something to do during the shooting phase
>>96715596>startWhat does that word mean to you?
>>96715636>oaths dont affect vehiclesThere's part of an oath that only works with vehicles
>>96715676All models in a blackshield army have the blackshield trait. Vehicles don't get the blackshield tactica, but can you post a screenshot that says oaths don't work on vehicles?
>>96715687The implication is that there are already several armies of it and it's not unlikely more will be created.
Blackshields showing just how dull most legion rules are
>>96714968>If you don't, do you want to start one? Which oaths would you build around?I've been eying Blackshields with some interest on the side from 2.0, the rules looked entertaining and they still do. More interest in the extremes with poverty and 'elite' generic marines. Otherwise, just not a high priority compared to other modeling projects I'd like to do first. Of the new oaths at a glance, Alone and Forgotten looks like fun for smaller games, but taking exclusively <30 guys and nothing else without any heavy or special weapons available (unless another oath can bring something in to plug ranged gaps) seems like a 3000pts list would get old fast, and plugging the gaps as allies or taking some may not be as entertaining.
>>96715711>The pick and choose your combination of rules PDF army is more customizable than the armies with set rulesShocker
>>96715652Wow they really are. Only the singular tactica rule is explicitly not vehicles. This means Reaper of Lives plasma predators and other killy models are scary. D3 is the mitigating factor becuase you may evaporate a tac squad but you may only score 1VP and the objective might be worth 3 with no real way of scoring it. Unless you just took allied killy tanks for the sole purpose of killing...
>>96714968>do you want to start one?Maybe an allied detachments, I don't really want to paint a bunch of vehicles units that have nothing to do with their rules to have a full army of them desu But I have a hard time coming up with a scheme that is not incredibly boring or way too 40kish
>>96715711They always did, and 3.0 30k legions still make everything in modern 40k look spartan comparatively.
>>96715720>nothing else without any heavy or special weapons availableDelegatus choosing Officer Cadre, fill all your other normal command slots with Armistosessies
>>96715779Damocles command rhinos with combi melta, multimelta,hunter killer missile
So is alone and forgotten the new best way to represent blackshields?
Doomed Heroics + Alone and ForgottenA few good men.
>>96715806It's the movie marines list, plain and simple. Great allied detachment, I think, especially if you have one squad you want to make out of legendary badasses.
>>96715617I just realized that I don't know what book they're even in.
>>96715835Destroyers are in the legacies pdf
>>96715629How are fat marine fingers even ably to pull the trigger on a normal size person's weapon?
>ignore tactical statuses>tell phosphex to go fuck itselfFlesh is Weak seems kinda ideal for the current metaAlso, flesh is weak + loot the dead, they literally cannot gain the pinned status
>>96714968I had an idea of aberrants + xenos back in 2.0, a small ZM melee army with tyranid or bug bits bursting out of the marine's armor with a lot of apothecaries. Theme it like a mad scientist cabal going too far with their inductii embettering. I still like the idea, but I have a militia to finish and that comes first.
>>96715806It's literally just for Blackshield Anon
>>96715629>A tactical squad can now put out 50 str 4 shots while moving at 36 inchesGoodness... thats kinda nuts
>>96715868Zombie cyborgs looting the dead is peak grimdark scifi horror.
>>96715806How would a list for that even look like?
>>96715735JFC. How do you self police and allied force of just killers so you're not just min maxing? Obviously just don't take pie plates in the allied detachment. But at the same time you wouldn't just bring Tacs because you'll never score it. Maybe Reaper shouldn't be allowed for an allied detachment full stop.
>>96715885Stubbers are only 1 in 3Not that it makes that big of a difference when normal autoguns are 6 shots per marine
>>96715002Militia erry day!
>>96715863shear off the trigger guard w/ ur power armoured fingers and then use them as gently and delicately as can be mustered concerning the trigger itself
So, my first attempt at a Movie Marines allied det. All Cents get +1WS and +1W, for lack of a reason to differentiate them just yet.Blackshields, Alone and Forgotten>Prime Command: Tartaros Centurion, Paragon of Battle, volkite charger, thunder hammer (110)>Command: Master of Signal, stock (115)>Troop: Centurion, dual claws (100)>Troop: Centurion, dual claws (100)>Troop: Centurion, bolt pistol, thunder hammer (95)>Troop: Centurion, bolt pistol, thunder hammer (95)Total 615pts.I don't see anything stopping Alone and Forgotten lone wolves from scoring, so I believe the MOS can tell individual centurions to stop blending and score, or to go melee the squad on the objective for +1VP. It's also aesthetically pleasing to have a sarge, a vox guy and 4-5 normal marines in the squad.
Very tempted to take my AL tanks and run them as Reapers of Lives Blackshields
hear me out:bulldyke blackshields
>>96716111>The Helix isn't Broken, it's just Bent a little!
>>96715000Different games, but after my first read through feels like there are more strong choices in 3.0 than 1.0. However no unique troops or HQ.
>>96716111It confuses me how these heads have caused a controversy on xitter.>Some heads look like women.Do they? Because to me they look like Ugo Space Marine heads because GW sucks at painting and modelling faces half the time.I'm from "Da Norf", and even we don't have women that hideous.
>>96716151Source?
>>96715558I already play BlackShields, I just have to decide what I’m reworking into now that my 2.0 theme is kinda fucked
OK, first draft of the Istvaan III Survivors list with the new Blackshields rules.Primary Detachment: Mechanicum.(Primary, First Strike, Armoured Support, Thallax Command Cohort Apex)>Calleb Decima (Archmagos Reductor) - augury scanner, cyber-familiar, nuncio-vox, chainfist, meltagun, Unseal The Portal, Deactivate Limiters, Overcharge Reactors (215)>Magos on Abeyant, augury scanner, nuncio-vox, power fist, graviton gun, Deactivate Limiters, Overcharge Reactors. (185, Combat Veterans prime)>9 Thallax, 6 photon thrusters, sarge (280, Thallax Principe prime)>9 Thallax, 6 photon thrusters, sarge (280, Thallax Principe prime)>6 Thallax, 2 multimeltas, sarge, meltabombs (190, Thallax Principe prime)>Krios Venator (160)>Vultarax (100)>Vultarax (100)Allied Detachment: Death Guard(Allied, Combat Pioneers, Logistical Benefit)>Crysos Morturg (Optae) - alchem-caster, lightning claw (65, Logistical Benefit prime)>10 Inductii, nuncio-vox, 1 flamer, 1 rotor cannon (115)>9 TSS, alchem-flamers, meltabomb (127)>Land Raider Explorator, twin lascannon (240)>Land Raider Explorator, twin heavy flamer (230)Allied Detachment, Blackshields(Allied, Tactical Support. Oath: Alone and Forgotten, all +1WS and +1W)>Shabran Darr (Tartaros Centurion) - Volkite charger, thunder hammer (110, Paragon of Battle prime)>Master of Signals (155)>Centurion, thunder hammer, bolt pistol (95)>Centurion, thunder hammer, bolt pistol (95)>Centurion, thunder hammer, bolt pistol (95)>Centurion, dual claws (100)>Centurion, dual claws (100)Total 2997, of which 1487 is allies.This one was extremely fiddly, but I like having the World Eaters squad of 7 playing movie marines rather than just being a single unit mixed in with the rest. I'd ideally like either more Krios or to swap the existing Krios for a Sicaran Venator, but there's no room in the allies allowance. The plan is to use the Thallax as basically vet HSS to get Comptroller out of them, which may be jank.
God the worst and best part of this is I'm supposed to be focusing on my word bearers and I'm just getting into the groove of them being fun to paint and play, but now these drop and I want to pull out my blackshields now to play
I feel like Pride is Our Armor isn't as useful anymore since it's easy to get elites from certain consuls' detachments or just a delegatus's apex. I guess I should pay more attention to points values but it didn't seem like vets are dramatically cheaper when I first looked a while ago.
I think I'm back, kiddos.AaF (All taking +1BS/+1W)Primary DetachmentCommand(Prime): Armistos Plasma Cannon (90)Command: Armistos Plasma Cannon (90)Command: Armistos Plasma Cannon (90)Command(Troops): Centurion Dual Plasma Pistols (90)Command(Troops): Centurion Dual Plasma Pistols (90)Command(Troops): Centurion Dual Plasma Pistols (90)Command(Troops): Centurion Dual Plasma Pistols (90)13x Tactical Support DetachmentsCommand(Troops): Centurion Dual Plasma Pistols (90)Command(Troops): Centurion Dual Plasma Pistols (90)Totals 2970
>average blackshield army count drops to 10 models
>>96716470You can get up to 3 +1BS moritats now. Then spam a bunch of +1 toughness saturnine centurions with disintegrators
>>96716463>17 wannabe moritatsHell yeah
>>96716463I'm considering grabbing a box of mk2 assault dudes, magnetizing arms and doing a bunch of jump pack DOTA characters
>>96716501I think we can hit the mythical BS10 vigilator, dishing out autocritting precision wounds. It requires you to have the incredibly silly AAF + The Flesh Is Weak primary detachment, but you can do BS7 base, +1 Paragon of Battle, +1 AAF, +1 from a friendly Magos casting Guide.Failing that, the movie marines can use their usual prime slot on a BS9 designated marksman, which is not bad at all.
>>9671650530, son.The sad part is Plasma Moritats are 95 but have 6 shots and fire storm and would make this list much more killy. Right now it's a hide in cover and then rush the enemy and die in melee to farm VPsI honestly don't know if this list will be fun to play or play against. God I wish they would let my run dual plasma on anything other than HQ units.>>96716461You are right since a lot of stuff isn't elites anymore also, but it does open up Veteran spam lists>>96716501You can't take Centurion in Terminator armour is it's own entry, you can't spam Saturnine Termis with Alone and Forgotten
>>96716463>UM plasma pistol enthusiast can finally run his dudes (as Blackshields)
>>96715932Well, in a squad of 18 it's 60 shots. I mean it says 1 in 3, but not only 1 per model. So RAW a tactical marine could take two...
>>96716300Yeah, they got a woman painter to paint them for no reason. Fuck up on their part but whatever. There’s a teal’c head in this set so I’m legally required to buy it
>>96716463>Panoply of Old>replace all the plasma with IH grav, WB warpfire, BA inferno, etc pistolsFIRE POWERTAKING LIVES
>>96716610>You can't take Centurion in Terminator armour is it's own entry, you can't spam Saturnine Termis with Alone and ForgottenTrue but you can your 3 normal commands with sat centurions with bombards, or grab a delegatus then officer cadre for 4 total sat centurions
>>96716610There's an extremely cursed cheese here that I think is possible if I haven't missed a limit here somewhere, which is just allying [number of centurions] AAF allied detachments so each character can be a Prime Moritat or whatever. You should really only be able to take one allied det per faction, but failing that every single AAF allied centurion can be WS7 W5 A5, or you can take up to1500pts of BS8 moritats/BS9 Vigilators.
>Eternity of War>can become routed if not in combat but becoming routed gives you +1S and T to actually get into combatThis doesn't seem bad at all
>>96716683Being routed also removes all statuses
>>96716638>BS8 moritats/BS9 VigilatorsMight be more meme than scheme but I suppose them dying in CC for VP is a bonus to how killy they are.
>>96716826Being routed is a status.
>>96716683Bastard Sons is only for pinned supressed or stunned, whoops.
>>96716683It's a really strange way to force snap shots and have random movement values as they crash out. Fall back in any direction would still be initiative+d6 so you could roll low and drag your feet or sprint an extra few inches at the cost of shooting accuracy. If you're not taking HSS etc than it seems low key great.
>>96716827Only the Centurions get VP when they die, but I could see snapping up one BS8 plasma moritat for the bit when running an allied detachment of these. The cheesy part is just getting free Paragon of Battle on each AAF jump centurion because nothing stops you running six allied dets rather than six guys in one allied det.
How do Linked Cogitator Units and Vanguard interact?
Automata are immune to statusesFlesh is Weak Warmongers can never get stunned
>>96716884Whenever you see the words "score X additional Victory Points when Controlling an Objective" the answer is that vanguard overrides and sets it to 1.
>>96717049Flesh is Weak + Spoils of Victory undead pirates sounds like something I should build.
>convincing my opponent I can shoot my own leviathan to suppress and stun it to make it S10 T10
>>96717049getting suppressed is good for them tho, it's +1 S/Tyou actively want a BS Warmonger to come down with melee units/heavy shooting units, lose a W to Interceptor and get bonus S/T from Suppressed, you're not even required to test to lift the Status so you're S5T5 for the rest of the gamefind you guns that have enough shots Suppressed doesn't matter, or just send down a melee elite unit and wait it out with your improved Toughness
>>96717174Well bring suppressed us still bad for melee because I1, but if you don't care I guess...
>>96717199Just use power fists and chain fists
>>96716081>the squad.The lose group of lone wolves*Also love not gone silly enough. Every single one should be a paragon with +1ws and +1w.The only thing I'm not sold on is whether I'd take things that aren't centurions or just lean into the VP.1500pt allied detachment(s)12× 125pts - Centurion, Jumppack, dual LC, meltabombs, paragon(prime benefit)
>>96716300>to me they look like Ugo Space Marine headsYes, that's what female heads made by GW look like
I hate 3.0s objective scoring. What are the best ways to use blackshield oaths to just kill and loot shit instead?
>>96717292Running six allied dets to farm Paragons feels like cheating, I'll be honest. A single allied det filled with guys and one Paragon to lead them feels like an actual squad writ very large, like the old Movie Marines fun list in White Dwarf, so I was going for that. Everyone except maybe the MOS should have jump packs though, I didn't realise AAF let you take jump pack cents when I wrote that because I was used to everything else being a different datasheet.Re: other characters, I think the MOS is a fairly sensible pick, since he can make the lone Centurions score with Line 1/Vanguard 1 and helps the main detachment out with reserves.
>>96717510READ, nigga, READ
>>96717540my tylenol isn't extra strength I assumed this was a safe space
>>96717563That sounds like a personal problem
>>96717510>>96717563retard
So Broken Helix Clones + The Flesh Is Weak gets you an entire army that is immune to statuses and has 5+ FNP, at the cost of being able to React with them. Seems pretty superb to me, especially it gives almost everything that doesn't have Vanguard Line 1-2, and you can still sink your reaction allotment into things that aren't your zombie infantry.In Disgrace All Are Equal is also kind of neat for allies, since it lets you take whatever you damn well please without needing a HQ and then gives all your sarges Paragon of Battle into the bargain. Could be nice to ally nothing but a couple of troops and whatever Legion armour/elites you want into Mechanicum or SA.
>>96717588You can react with them if you take praevians for cortex controllers
>>96717588A note, you can take aux detachments off of in disgrace all our equal but not aux detachments, and with you being forced to only take petty warlord you cannot take any elite or Retinue choices.
>>96717510the "kill" and "loot shit" oaths>you cant combine themWHY GW YOU FUCKS
>>96717622Not if they're clones you can't, but you can double-dip on that downside and get a lot of buffs out of it, and being automata covers for the loss of mental stats caused by the cloning because they can't status you anyway.>>96717642Yeah, it's not the most expansive, but terminators, troops/rhinos, rapiers, dreads and armour are all nice to dip into, especially the heavy AT options that Mech straight up doesn't have.>>96717643I am amazed you can't combine those two but you can combine kill-points and Alone and Forgotten, for d3 VP when your swarm of individual-model jump pack praetors wipe a squad and 1d6+1 if they die instead.
>>96717643Because if all you're here for is killing gitz, then you don't care about da scrap, and if you here for lootin da gitz, then you needz be kareful not to destroy da scrap
So, if i ignore the whole detachment wording and my army is primarily blackshields it means i get 2 oaths of moment for the entire army, right?
>>96717745Does it?
>>96717745What do you mean about ignoring detachments?
>>96717510The Blade of the Just, Reapers of Lives, Loot the Dead, and Alone and Forgotten are how you break out of the objective scoring metagame.Blade of the Just and Loot the Dead seem the best for farming VP from aux and militia. Reapers of Lives seems the best way to ally in a way to score killpoints. Some combo of The Blade of the Just, Reapers of Lives, and Alone and Forgotten seems the best for fighting astartes through a primary detachment.
>>96715455Thinking on it, I could just do an allied iron hands detachment. Consul of some sort possibly in gorgon armor, medusan immortals, logistical benefit an elite slot for gorgon terminators, and then a transport detachment for them. Then I can take eternal vendetta for the blackshields and not worry about the iron hands armory. The immortals still get their shieldwall reaction without needing a praevian attached, and I get my fnp termies in a land raider (or spartan if I wanted the whole unit).
Kindly requesting Adeptus Titanicus Rulebook, Campaign Compendium, Traitor Legios, Loyalist Legios and the Matched Play Guide.
looks like Clone's 5++ confers, so you can ally in a cheap character and confer a super apothecary 5++ at the cost of not being able to make reactions or advanced reactions
For Alone and Forgotten, you can still take other Command options in the crusade detachment.While a Praetor and four Centurions is almost mandatory foundation, do any of the other Command units have a place?Maybe a vigilator or two to have some form of ranged presence?A librarian?I may just make the outcast World Eater psykers with three librarians and the Legacy of Nikaea
maybe I should make an army with aberrantsnecromunda goliath arms on marines? or would they be too big, I know goliath gangers are YUGE, but they come with boltguns etc
>>96718233Praetors and other High Command can't be taken, since they're not Command choices even if you squeeze them into the Prime slot with Special Assignment.I'm only doing AAF as allies, but I'm almost certain a Master of Signal is a good idea, because their confer-Line rule works on your regular centurions and you're going to have 4W maniacs running everywhere routing all their smaller squads, so one of them will probably be in a position to score cheaply. The Prime slot makes a good Vigilator or Moritat but I'm not sure it's good enough to deny one of your VP pinatas Paragon of Battle.
>>96718233Only replaced troops need to be centurions, but it's Command only so no praetors. A delegatus for an apex detachment for an extra prime centurion seems good
>>96718296Legion's Champion seems like a good idea, since you get a paragon blade without having a praetor
>>96718344Legion champion with Paragon of Battle are low key superior to praetors
>>96718394>>96718344Paragon of Battle AAF Centurions are if anything better than Praetors already - WS7, W5, A5 with thunder hammers. Champ seems a bit unnecessary given how few things you need WS8 to overmatch, and I'd imagine Siggy or Abbadon will rinse you anyway since Paragon Blades only have D1 and they have Eternal Warrior. I'd rather have another Centurion who punches almost as hard, has a thunder hammer and gives VP when he dies.
>>96718593Eternal warrior reduces damage to a minimum of 1 so what does D1 have to do with anything? Why bring eternal warrior up at all?
>>96718606P-blades can crit, and/or you can use Finishing Blow, so the best you can ever do with one against an EW model is D1 base, D2 on crits, whereas they get their full damage against you. You're unlikely to be able to take most WS7 unique characters even with WS8. The Mechanicum Arcuitor, which has easy access to WS8 and a better weapon than a Champion, is about equal to Siggy, which means I wouldn't like to try it with an AaF Champ. If the Paragon AAF Centurion can beat up almost anything below the 250pt WS7 unique character level and the Champ can't reliably surpass it, I'd rather have the Centurion because he's cheaper and gives VPs when he dies gloriously.
>>96718642For the centurion to do something though it's doing it at I-2. You can have as many centurions as you can afford, what's wrong with having one of your command slots be a guy who does all his shit at straight initiative with more base attacks and WS? Maybe you don't need every model to die, maybe sometimes it's nice if a model can just kill something.
Halo blades are better than paragon blades
>>96718721Are they, though? Because a paragon blade doesn't require spending one of your two oath slots on. I think you need to think hard before deciding that you want to spend your oath on just wargear.
>>96718742Maybe, but the thunder hammer is often better than both and can still take a 2nd oath
If you up armor Mk7 legs could they pass as Mk3?
>>96718769No. Just put studs on it and have it be Mk V instead. Less work too.
>>96718701Because the Cent's going to kill basically anything the champ can kill, there are very few things a WS7 A5 thunder hammer can't kill that a WS7 A6 paragon blade can, and in exchange the champ is more expensive and less flexible. I'd rather spend my limited non-Centurion slots on things that aren't very slight sidegrades to the Centurions, like Masters of Signal, Vigilators, Moritats, maybe the world's most juiced div/bio librarian.
>>96718742If you're taking an army of individual centurions you're not gonna win so you might as well give them all at-initiative S6-7 AP2 so they can slice and dice whatever they jump on.
>>96718802>AaF centurion with a halo blade hacking apart dreadnoughtsFund it
>>96716245They get one named dude with a very amusingly named weapon.That said, I'm kind of interested to try out the Oops, all Centurions army.
Oh, NOW everyone wants to make centurions NOW everyone wants to play blackshields NOW everyone wants to kitbash HQs
>>96718917weird how now people want to play blackshields now that they have fucking rules you brainlet
>>96718917Only nogames nomodels tourists complained about having to take centurions. Real players already have too many kitbashed and converted HQ than they know what to do with.
>>96718917>Implying people weren't kitbashing Praetors and Command units before>Getting mad at people excited about new rulesGet help
>>96718917Outside of Armored Fist (RIP) and Furt of The Ancients (KWAB) RoWs, everyone had at least 2 HQs already
>>96718854Haar is pretty great, admittedly. Infiltrating all your troops on points and all your support squads/seekers into firing positions lets you save on transports, and he punches fine.
halo blades?
>>96719273Shit that might work, I'm pretty sure the scale is reasonably close...
>>96718956>too manyplease help me half bashed cents are taking over my desk
Thinking about what would work best to make a Thunder Warriors army using Blackshield rules. Alone and Forgotten seems to be the first choice, adding Initiative and WS, then layering that on with Broken Helix (Abberrant)+1S/A, and finally seasoning all models with Terminator Armor for the +1T.
>>96719310No it's not you fucking retard, that's what Broken Helix and Eternity of War are for
>>96719333Thunder Warrriors were beating down Marines even as their bodies fell apart at the end of Birth of The Imperium, so just tossing +1S/A from BH(Aberrant) is insufficient to get a datasheet matching that feeling, but Eternity of War would make it easier to keep AaF from being tarpitted.
>>96715002slightly crappy pic but I finished a tank for my militia
>>96719382I don't think they're quite Custodes-grade, vets and termies with Aberrant and the T/S bonuses under strain from Bastard Sons of Fate seem fine for that. Maybe throw in Eternal Vendetta if you want to blend even harder, hitting on 2s/3s rather than 3s/4s a massive damage increase.AAF is "only elite Custodes get to equal our line troopers" if you use it to represent the generic statline of an army rather than a group of specific heroes, I don't think there's any force with baseline WS6 running around. Might be good for a small group of surviving Thunder Warriors helping out a different force, though.
>>96719310>>96719382tbqhwy I'd do Eternal Vendetta + Broken Helix (Aberrant)
>>96719519gesundheit
>>96715002Finished the nipple guns for my faturnine dreadslopChopped part of a nuncio-vox to use the servo-skull as the head for The Flesh is Weak Blackshields . . . which is ironic considering 15+ years ago I was doing something similar with CSM and servo-skulls for Rubric Marine proxies
>>96717677>praetors wipe a squad and 1d6+1 if they die instead.Only Cents get that
Running my blackshield HQs alongside an allied TS detachment (or vice versa) for bodies sounds neat. I get to play with both rulesets and keep painting candy red.Where is that new apex detachment with the themed terminator/dreadnought/retinue?
>>96717970>Reapers of Lives seems the best way to ally in a way to score killpoints.I can't decide if this is too gamey waac or just strong but fluffy for certain armies
>>96719779hell yeah
>>96719779nvm.Yeah a delegatus leading a linebreaker detachment behind a bucket of angry men maybe
>>96719800Same boat. I feel it depends. For cav armies for example you can suddenly compete with minimal line. If you're spamming line and attatching infinite allied BS to get a D3 bump its waacy as all hell
>>96715779Not sure if I'm reading it right, but I thought it was exclusively Centurions. On re-reading it, I suppose existing command slots could be any other consul so I'll stand corrected.>All Troops Slots in a Primary or Allied Detachment with this Oath of Moment, or any Auxiliary Detachment attached to such a Detachment, are replaced with Command Slots. However, the only Units that may be chosen to fill those Command Slots are Centurions or Centurions in Terminator Armour.
>>96719807Love the MoS "oops all turrets" detachment. Can literally make an armylist of ipad kids playing some tower defence game.
>>96719885All the troop slots are turned into Centurion only command slots. The base command slots can still take other HQs
>>96719779Anon, if that's your paintjob then well fucking done.
>>96719987why thank you
>>96719838I have 2 preds and 2 vindis without a home and was thinking using them. They don't fit my RG or TS.Semi related, are vehicles removed as casualties technically for reaper to trigger?
>>96719773Sorry, that was unclear. I meant that a centurion getting +1WS and +1W from Alone and Forgotten is basically a praetor with one less attack where combat is concerned, so you basically have a pack of roving jump praetors.
Just bought the starter set for Legion Imperialis; what am I in for?>Was gonna do Blackshields so I can do any armies rulesPic unrelated
man why is the valdor basically worse than just taking two destroyer tank hunters :( james hear my prayers
>>96719310Thunder warriors didn't use terminator armour, it wasn't invented yet. They should have poverty 4+ save armour
>>96718769Shave off the knees and make mk6 instead
>>96719985Yeah, was just parsing that; guessing shenanigans with things like Forge Lords taking Thallaxes are still off the table since it's all Command-only?
Is the resin stuff still shit quality? Also what plastic kits are still oldscale instead of new scale? Now that I have some disposable cash Im thinking of finally getting into HH.
>>96720771>ResinCharacters are mostly fine to good usually, infantry squads is a bit more of a gamble, avoid the vehicles unless you're really desperate for them.>plastic kitsOnly Mk IV is still in the old scale, outside of legacy units that use models from 40k.
>>96715131That would fit Weapons of Desperation well, as a Reclaimed Autogun.
>>96720158I mean, I'd say pic a legion and don't be lame. You're in for a game that's surprisingly simple in how it operates, but where positioning and outmaneuvering your opponent are incredibly important, and, post-Liber Strategia, rewards balanced army composition. It's not some sublime perfect game, but it is really fun and the models are quite well detailed. You can win with any legion, so just pic one you like the color scheme/lore for. Or become an Auxilia chad.
>>96720972Nah, it's xenotech lol
>>96720800>Only Mk IV is still in the old scale, outside of legacy units that use models from 40k.Not to mention Tartaros and Cataphractii as well, I think the odd Chaplain + Cataphractii Praetor blister pack guys are also smaller? Not entirely sure on all the plastic named characters.
>>96720393it's not? Destroyers can be taken out by infiltrated marines with their bare hands before firing once, have worse Damage as a static artillery piece, don't Suppress and they explodetwo Destroyers already cost more than one Valdor and have worse shooting on top of their other problems
Does someone have the Thallax collage about its screaming? I lost it.
>Telekine librarian has a psychic reaction that grants a 3+ Shrouded save against a shooting attack or volley fireHoly shit that's kinda busted. It's incredible how much fun and interesting powers there are now, finally got me motivated enough to start painting that librarian who has been collecting dust on the painting table. Definitely one of the areas that's improved compared to 2.0, where you only had Telepathy which was broken, with all other disciplines being shit and, worst of all, terribly boring.
>>96721183This one?
>>96714968>If you don't, do you want to start one? Which oaths would you build around?Hell yeah. 1000pts of consuls sounds like a ridiculously fun allied detachment and a great excuse to do some interesting conversions.
>>96721069I play 30k night lords, not too sure I will pick them again so might go something less popular like Raven guard or Word Bearers
>>96721228Yes! Thanks!
>>96715332>You will fare no better>multiple Astartes Helmets>A FUCKING CUSTODES HELMETI'm willing to believe those trophies were earned after some significant victories. I'm a fan of players adding tally marks to units that have gotten kills, especially significant units and Command Units.
>>96715332How do you like the Blackshield rules, blackshields anon?The alone and forgotten oath immediately reminded me of your models.
Thought about painting my guys as Sons of Horus but after looking at various tutorials I realized that trying to find the perfect armor color that i personally like would probably drive me insane. Id be trying so many different paint mixtures in an attempt get just the right shade that I don't think it's worth it.
>>96721228god damn thallax go so hard
>>96719300They had a heroclix range as well. You know, as does everything.Pretty sure I'm in there.
>>96721254What is it about SoH green and EC purple that drives people insane in their pursuit of the perfect hue lol
>>96721280GW simply doesn't sell base paints that match the supposed colour of a faction. Take Maccrage Blue, the supposed standard UM colour: It's too dark and purpleish with natural light from a distance. Something like Aldorf Blue is actually better match.It's just more noticeable with factions with trickier hues like SoH.
>>96721299btw, this is done on purpose because:1.the recommed colours look better close up with strong artificial light (photos, etc)2.GW wants you to buy extra paints for highlighting, multiple layers, etc to get the desired volume effects
>>96721280>ECShould be obvious desu.
>>96721280traitor EC shouldn't even be purple or pink, lore-wise they went full retard in garish clown colours that were an eye sore.But of course nobody is going to paint them like that
>>96720028yep, D3 for cracking open metal boxes and such
>>96721280Eh. My recipe is just Leadbelcher undercoat, drybrush on what I suspect is now stormhost silver (I still have an octagonal bottle of Mithril Silver from the 90's which I use) and then apply Sigvald Burgundy over that.It's literally called Sigvald Burgundy. If it's good enough for one insane slaanesh worshiping himbo, it's good enough for the rest of them.Well, not Noise Marines of course. That needs some pink as well. But you get the idea.
>>96721547>an octagonal bottle of Mithril Silver from the 90'sLol, that pot of paint is probably older than 50% of the ppl that post here now. Good job on keeping it going. I still got a pot of Dark Angels green from the early 2000's that's still viable, use it for plasma weapons glow mostly.
>>96721280>What is it about SoH greenBecause its a blue green so people have their own preference of how blue or green it should be and how dark the hue should be.
>>96715002never had a bootleg bhaal pred in this edition
So which units are best for Mr Haar's infiltrating detatchment?Despoilers? Breachers? Or is it best to use Pride is Our Armour and have veteran tacticals and veteran breachers?
>>96714968>>96721646speaking of Haar, now that he has HH3 rules, here's a trilogy of short audiodramas featuring him and his Blackshields:> https://gofile.io/d/7E0SmZ
What is (you)r preferred contemptor loadouts for the new edition?I've been eyeing up GAC+CCW for a generalist jack of all trades loadout
I hate painting trim, but oh my god do I hate painting trim over white
Thinking about building and painting a small force of Ashen Claws as Blackshields. Which Oaths make the most sense for them? I was thinking Pride is our Armour and The Spoils of Victory.
>>96721668Is this any good? Taking a little pause from HH audiobooks with Ahriman books, but if thos.blackshilds are interesting could give it a try.
>>96722084Those two make sense. They're primarily old legion vets and we're introduced scavenging. They are probably flexible in the sense you could abstract other tactics here and there, but what you got i would say are the core two.
>>96715332When I saw that Oath I immediately thought of your dudes, grats
>>96720504They should've had pariah armour but it's not in the game anymore. That and for early pre-terawatt pact they should've had lasrifles of the non-weapon of desperation tier. And the 1.0 first option of the chymeriae.
How many of your Marines do not wear their helmets?
>>96722147Nta, I listened to these while painting and it gets better the longer it goes on. It has a bit of a meh start because it had to introduce the characters but I really liked the last of the three and the second one is bretty gud and tangentially on topic for what I was painting. There are some cool concepts sprinkled around that made me want to do certain things but I don't want to get into spoilers.
>>96722315From my blackshields, 3, technically 4 models but the last is just the terminator version of one of the other 3. For my word bearers, 10, my Anointed (indomitus) are all wearing hoods
Halo blades are a lot more restricted now, going from a power weapon option to just existing in the officer weapon list. The xenos guns are also more restricted, no longer replacing combi weapons in addition to being plasma swaps. Hope nobody had a unit of halo blade/deathlock terminators, as those are now double illegal.
>>96722315Zero(0), none.
>>96720504>it wasn't invented yetSaturnine was in use towards the end of the Unification Wars.
>>96715002Working on my greatest financial decision
AL bros...thinking of putting this head (with the horn cut off) on my saturnine sergeant of course he's a phraestus think it'd look cool?
>>96721245Lmao I had 2 games of 2.0 lost both and they were both this year. One of the helmets is a knight scion's too.>>96721253They're neat, it's nice to see how the priorities have changed with 3.0. In 2.0 the most popular ones were the ones that let you screw with the FOC, mostly Pride is Our Armor. Now that it's so easy to get whatever you want in a list the most attractive options are the ones that change how you score or how units function. Besides spamming centurions on a lark I don't really know what to do with them.
>>96722520nobody used the xenos weapons.The other problem is the deathlocks aren't better than disintegrator blasters which are just as expensive and have an actual bit now. Halo blades are awesome even if it's just for commanders
>>96722728>deathlocks aren't better than disintegrator blastersThey are way better than d rifles, which they effectively replace. S4 AP3 is junk even at D2
>>96722702
>>96722832>opponent is typhon
>>96722771overload(2) will kill a special weapons squad quickly. You can take a veteran squad for an extra wound but now it's not only extremely expensive but it's still killing itself if more slowly.
of you were taking a vet squad with deathlocks, wouldnt it be better to take a vet weapons team with the S5 disintegrator blasters or heavy disintegrators?
>>96722965It'd probably be about the same
What's the consensus on Power Daggers this time around? Is the 1 in 3 for AP2 at initiative or nothing against a marine worthwhile?
>>96723030Theyre basically only good on Effrit.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ifsqf3xo/john-french-tells-us-more-about-writing-the-dropsite-massacre/SOON
>>96723237>Written by FrenchOh boy, can't wait to find out how much Istvaan V is suddenly all about IF
>>96722728>>96722771Hmm I gotta see what halo blades and death locks are like, then
Idk how to write a 30k OC system that would house SM playersEvery planet was merely a stepping stone on the way to the Siege of Terra/Traitor's Homeworld. Even Beta Garmon's Titandeath was a touch-and-go.Idk what a system would need to have for SM fighters to decide to stay there, without the likes of:1. "This archaeotech can win the war"2. "The ship is busted. We Landpace Marines now"Yawn both of them
>>96723237>FrenchMega ass yuck
>>96722904That's the price of admission for guns that actually do their job, baby. BS5 vet support squad means overload 2 still hits at least. And you can revive a guy with the zombie Libby.
I like the Salamanders
>>96723458more likeSmellamanders
>>96723458They're close to the bottom of my list. Just can't find them interesting.
>>96723254>>96723320mfw the Drop Site Massacre becomes about how the Fists Kicked everyone's arse, and caused apocalyptic casualties to the traitors that they never recovered from.
>>96722315none. they look silly without helmets, and I don't like painting faces
>>96723458Who?
>>96723572Maybe the fists were there the whole time and contributed to the 50% of the third legion that was destroyed by 10,000 Iron Hands
>>96723254>>96723320>>96723572>>96723728Maybe the real Fists were the ones French shoved up our asses along the way.
>>96723728The Loyalists committed to the assault of a fortified planet with basically equal numbers? top kek
>>96723728So uh why did Corvus "muh stealth" Corax agree to be part of the initial assault wave after he fucked Gate Forty-Two?
>>96723809They also caused more casualties than they took, even including it doesn’t give numbers for the traitor 2nd wave lmao.
Had a 2k game, batrep incoming.DG vs AL, as always.I brought an armored list, buddy brought a Phosphex maxing list.Most of the models we got are pretty new and unpainted so I only took a few pics but overall it was pretty fun. Will give a more in depth analysis at the end of the batrep.
>>96723857Thank you btw for the elbow-mounted power dagger idea, I ripped it off for my headhunters
>>96723841Not entirely certain how they managed that one, considering. I can only assume the Alpha Legion and Word Bearers managed enough false flags and daemon possessions to end up with more marines than they started with.
>>96723857Turn 1:I push my rhinos onto the objective and shoot up the far right building, annihilating a tactical squad. I drop my own marines onto the center and right objective and my mhara Ghal on the far left one. I score 2 from the dreads objective, and the tac marines score 7 from objectives, plus 3 for killing a unit during the first turn.He responds by moving his dudes out of cover to get eyes on my tacticals and by dropping an insane amount of artillery (spotting with siege breaker at the top of a ruin). A truly disgusting bombardment. Kills literally half of all my infantry and he moves his melee squad onto the far right objective. He scores 3 for killing a unit during the first turn and 2 for the objective Total score: 12-5Turn 2:At this point a lot more of his stuff is exposed. I concentrate my fire on the left side, killing everything he has there so I'm sure to keep that objective with my dreadnought. He charges his grave wardens into the dreadnought to kill it in melee but my dread eats them alive. My venator spears through his rhino and my effort take out his Arcus with melta bombs.I score 7 from objectives.Heres where shit starts going bad. His leviathan is absolutely tearing through all the vehicles on the right flank and he's succeeded in killing the rest of my infantry, bombarding the center objective and completely clearing it. At this point the only scoring unit I have is the mhara ghal and two tiny seeker squads that each have just 3 guys left and that dont have a chance in hell of shifting the leviathan or the Deathshroud+Termie deathball from the right and center objective. He controls the center and the right so he get 5 points.Total Score: 19-10
>>96723057Big sad that a unit either is meant for melee or it isn't, and that's decided on the profile. Headhunters went from 3 knives on the charge to a single attack at all times
Which legions would end up spawning cloned blackshields?
>>96723925Iron handsRaven guardLiterally any (and all) of the traitors
>>96723922Since they get 2 attacks effrit are decent at both shooting tacticals and also stabbing them, and since they want to stand within 12" of a bunch of units to debuff them so they you apply statuses, they're really quite good at their job.
>>96723925If you could pick both Clones and Aberrant that would probably match Fabius' prototype New Men
>>96722702Flesh is Weak+Loot the Dead sounds fun to me
>>96723900Turn 3At this point I'm basically fucked.My vehicles dont have good targets (and the board is very cramped so they're kind of stuck where they are) and his bombardment has killed all my repair and scoring troops (except for the seekers I guess). I kill a few more of his troops but now it's a pure war of attrition. He keeps his men in cover on the objectives and keeps racking up points. I get 2 points this turn, he gets 5. Before dying his Arcus had suppressed my Kratos and the Phosphex had claimed my techmarines, it was useless till the end of the game.Total score 21-15.Turn 4 is basically the same as turn 3 except he has now killed every scoring unit except the dreadnought that keeps defending the left point. I get 2 more points, he gets 7 from moving his remaining tac squad onto the objective. As the game ends he also gets 3 victory points from having more units alive than me.Final score is 23 to 25, his winOverall I think I fucked up a lot of my deployment and movement and getting that crazy lead turn 1 really carried me till the end. Vehicles are incredibly tough but shock weapons and just avoiding them works well, my volkite Kratos barely did anything. Scoring at end of turn makes going second even better than in 2.0. Status effects are cool, I'm mad his grave wardens were hit with panic 2, stun and suppressive (1) while affected by fear and in the effrit debuff range and still passed all the tests except for stun (which is the most ignorable status effect).Phosphex fucks, as expected.Next time we'll be at 3k so I'll be bringing a lot more infantry, overall I had a fun game. This is the first time DGbro has won against me so I'm happy we both had a good time, I feel like unit balance is overall better than 2.0.If you guys have any questions feel free.
>>96723305>Even Beta Garmon's Titandeath was a touch-and-go.True>1. "This archaeotech can win the war"Bit tiresome, knowing it didn't happen. That's sort of the one thing that trashes writing in 30k: you cannot forget how it ends
>>96723572>We never would have made it if the Ultramarines hadn't taught us how to survive getting shot in the back-Vulkan>Only Guilliman can rebuild our Legion now-Manus>Guilliman wouldn't have fell for that-Corax.
>>96723891That rocks anon, please post pics!>>96723950The combo of shred and breaching on the shotties is also pretty great into termies imo, with every 6 being ap2 D2 I killed two grave wardens in one shooting phase (with only 5 remaining effrit too).I love them, the introduction of status effect means their debuff is more important, and even though it's a nerf I appreciate that the banestrike shotguns aren't as amazing at anti dreadnought now.
>>96724011>Hate one specific chapter because one twat keeps pushing them and making them outrageously better than everyone else for no reason.>15 years later>Hate one specific legion because one twat keeps pushing them and making them outrageously better than everyone else for no reason.
>>96724020Any time I see a unit that is well designed for its role like that in a GW game I am completely flabbergasted.
>>96723925>I had some spare time on the way over from Mars, so I made a few million Adeptus Retardus you can throw into Dorn's guns.
>>96723817Becuase he's a fucking cuck and sucks. He's too big of a pushover and spiteful. >t. Plays RG
>>96723499Which one is you favorite?>>96723628The Salamanders
>>96723988Cool stuff Anon. Love that terrain. Artillery seems oppressive. I tried just 2 phosphex rapiers and they just deleted or routed infantry wholesale and it was a crushing victory. Other than drop pods I'm not sure how to really counter things like that.
>>96724220automaton blackshields that are wounded on a 6 by poison lmao
>>96722702At first I was very happy with Alone and Forgotten but letting it sit for a bit has me concerned how it will play, and I am not sure it will be fun. Having 25-30 targets bum rushing hoping to get into melee and die feels off. Or very WEish.I did notice the deathlock pistols are bought from the special weapon list now so I'm going to look into trying plasma/doomlock instead of dual plasma cents and see if I can field an actual army....I do think Reaper of Lives will be very popular with WS players who want to run bikes and kill things, since that lets you actually score with them.
>>96724011Unironically all true
>>96724220Buddy brought 2*2 phosphex rapiers and an Arquitor lmao (though he warned me beforehand and this was his first game of 3.0)It's definitely made me think about adding some more jump infantry to my list. In my 3k list I've got a scorpius to help but yeah I think priority number 1 against these types of lists is assassinating the siege breaker so the arty scatters. 4 small and 1 large phosphex template dropped perfectly on a squad will kill anything with a 3+.Next time we play I'm keeping my tacs safe in their rhinos till I'm sure his arty is neutralized.
>>96724252Massive kek. Blackshields stay aura farming.
>>96724253>I'm going to look into trying plasma/doomlock instead of dual plasma cents and see if I can field an actual army....I can not.
>>96724253Alone and Forgotten is a meme list maker. At best you're still not gonna score enough and at worst you won't even make it into combat. But it is fun to make a list of supped up heroes and bum rush forwards like John Cleese in The Holy Grail. Give them some wargear or hatred AssTitties or even more trait bonuses and still get shot to death by bolters
>>96724214Hmm. I like Iron Warriors, White Scars, World Eaters and Death Guard.
I will only respect an AaF player if ever model is kitbashed and every time a model dies they smash it with a hammer or set it on fire
>>96724425But what if you could pick only one? This question is the one I've been bashing my head against, so far I've narrowed it down to Salamanders, Blood Angels, Imperial Fists and Iron Hands
>>96724442What if you slow me to spam satty cents and I put a firecracker inside them and light it for every explodes result?
>>96724425>>96724448With the new allies systems it's very easy to field some from each
>>96722728As a conversion opportunity I don't like the blades going from a mundane but extremely available option to a good weapon rules-wise that you can only see in the hands of a couple of HQs.
>>96724406It's also the only way I can run 30 dudes with dual plasma pistols. I'd rather they be in squads, But I'll take what I can get for now and see if it's fun to play with or against.
>>96724253I think it's well scaled for an allied detachment, having half a dozen lone-wolf centurions making nuisances of themselves seems a lot more reasonable than a full army of them farming 40vps just from dying. The spamming-allied-dets-for-primes thing is also jank, but I think it's fairly easy to self-police on this one.I kind of love The Flesh Is Weak, might dabble in that. Lots you can do model-wise with cool marine robozombies.
>>96724448what is best in life ?
>>96724672https://youtu.be/tiKPCLVQ6n4?t=38
>>96724252Wouldn't they still be wounded on 3+? Phosphex is S5
>>96724878The strength doesn't matter. Phosphex is a poison weapon, and automatons are always wounded by poisoned weapons on a 6. It's in the automaton rules.
>>96724901Oh interesting, thank you anon.
>>96724901The way this is worded I think they don't. The effect of poisoned (i.e. automatically wounding on X+) only ever triggers on a 6, but wounding normally would still trigger on a 3+ against T4
>>96723458Dont let them keep you down, Salachad.
>>96725008Fair enough, so automaton terminators are tougher against phosphex than normal ones.
>>96725008check poisoned as a rule, it may override standard wound testsI doubt it, but check it nonetheless
>>96725341Nada
>>96723305They sacked and burned on the way, and your guys put up a defence. Or they are held back and put in charge of keeping the war effort fed, fat Traitor kings in ruined castles. Harried by local loyalists.
>>96725432fair enough thenflesh is weak saturnine better than castellax?
>>96725032:)
RAW you can replace a single models boltgun and bolt pistol with 2 heavy stubbers with weapons of desperation
>>96725518Castellax are kind of bad generally.
>>96725584Yes, but you can't fire both cuz they are not pistolsNothing with firing protocols can do it either
Man when I heard about the rules I got hyped. Started to read and they are actualy (not all) rather fun. Not insane good, and aside for psychic one, or bad.The ideas of losing line/venguard to get rules, to get some different rule. I even thought about running my own army as Blackshields. It is not like the legion rules are super great for my army. Then I realised one thing. All the cool rules that say you loot corpses , you do heroic charges and fight till death, your army is bunch of crazy centurions or mooks led by Sgts Awesome idea. But not awesome for an army that has no venguard or line units in it. But that is a me and my army problem. Over all the blackshield pack seems very good, UN GW level of fun.
>>96725654would look badass though
>>96725663Blackshields oaths are just for goofing off. Their core trait is pretty neat, but the oaths just add flavor or bits.
>>96725695I would give a lot if my jetbikers and bikers could "loot the dead". But alas, it is not to be. Still the rules at least seem to be fun, and you can have some fun combinations like always charging always looting abominations
>>96725854bad cav edition?
>>96725854Just take Reaper of Lives and get D3 VPs for shooting frags and ignore objectives since your bikes can't score anyway?
>>96725936bad cav edition. But I am slowly learning to deal with it. Who knows maybe it is for the better. I could repaint my army or add more/better brotherhood marking etc Not as fun as meeting people and playing, but after a few months I did come to the realisation that GW is not going to change a core rule just so I can have fun. >>96726283I thought that RoL works only with infantry. Well if it doesn't it would be a way to play. I would really want to play a "my army is just centurions" army, but that wouldn't work. I do like the idea, like the last ride of a brotherhood of champions.
>>96726332>I thought that RoL works only with infantry.No, it's all units in the detachment with the Blackshields faction, so if you want to run bikes and tanks and play kill points, you can.
Destroyer squad with weapons of desperationDoing firestorm flybys with heavy stubbers, shotguns, and autopistols sounds funny as shit. Even the heavy stubber is an assault weapon. Bonus points for throwing a rad grenade to drop their toughess so the autopistols wound on 4s. Autoguns are fine too but I want to see them dual wielding some of these
>>96726467Wish GW would make less of those tiny drum mag autopistols. There's way too many of them going around.
>>96726460>Blackshield armies can be fluffier White Scars armies than actual White Scars.The absolute state of this edition.
>>96726511Cavalry not being able to score and all the missions being only scoring feels bad.Having an army that just lets you change the mission type entirely feels sort of weird, but it's nice to be able to just pick something that lets you run off meta stuff and have them actually be useful.
>>96726467I want to see twenty destroyers packing tec-9s
>>96726579Dual AK's are the superior loadout
>>96726511>>96726573Yep, its really dumb and sad at the absolute state of cav. All 7 of us WS choggos are seething.
>>96723900>He charges his grave wardens into the dreadnought to kill it in melee but my dread eats them aliveBut I was told dreadnoughts were trash! It should have imploded upon contact with the board through sheer incompetence!
>>96726739Come on Anon, dreadnoughts are trash but WS4 Terminators are shit on the street, keep up
>>96723988Thanks for the battle report anon, always much appreciated to hear how people's games went. Nice to hear you had a good time. Quite some interesting details, like the dreadnoughts tearing through vehicles.
Were there ever any images or at least descriptions of pre-Ferrus "Storm Walkers"?
>>96726780WS4 terminators with eternal vendetta might work though. Bumping them back to a 4+ to hit vs WS5, and stuff like power axes and claws getting +1 to wound could be viable since they're swinging before hammers.
>>96726824Newfag hasn't even read the Black Books
So I'm struggling with list building. How much armor/anti-armor should you bring to a game? I'm running Sons of Horus if that helps
>>96723857> UnpaintedFucking disgusting and unworthy of my continued attention
>>96726931I have Massacre open in another tab, ya brownoid. Give the page number where it describes their livery, since you know where everything is in the Black Books.
>>96726981Post your models nigger
>>96726739Tbf that's a mhara Ghal, it absolutely rips.
>>96725695It's better personal marine customization than 40k atm.
>>96727072>Better customisation than 40k atmA bar so low you dig and still clear it
>>96727202Cant that be said of anything? Just dig under?
>>96723728163,970 loyalists lost with all equipment to at least 170,000 traitors lost in a battle where the loyalists were assaulting heavily fortified positions with substantially less troops than the defender.It is also to be assumed the the loyalists took the majority of their casualties after the betrayal was revealed, when they were completely surrounded and being shot in the back, unless the loyalists pushed so hard in the initial assault they lost nearly 90% of their Legions. Considering they believed overwhelming reinforcements were coming, this only makes sense for Ferrus, who was buttmad enough to do that.>>96723809The first wave of the sallies, IH, and RG were outnumbered by the defenders at least 2 to 1, based mostly on the casualty numbers, and they somehow managed to give substantially better than they got anyway.Sucks that they're taking one of the traitors few clear-cut crushing victories and turning it into another epic loyalist last stand, I feel like they're going to rewrite a good chunk of it.
>>96727504Clearing the bar means you have to go over it. Not under.
Does the prime troop in the primary detachment get replaced with a prime command under AaF?
>>96727848Yes, the primeness of a slot is not tied to the type of slot, just the detachment it's in
>>96727856Interesting...
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