GW is fair enough in taking down 1:1 or very similar 3D designs downBut not being open with these 3D sculptors and trying to take their whole shop down for "unfair competition"? Smells like bollocks
>>96716285kay, keep me posted.
>>96716285No examples of the GW model and the counterfeits. Thread discarded.
>>96716285>big company attempts to shake down and then drives their competition to bankruptcy through frivolous lawsuitswelcome to the "free" market
Just had a look at their catalogue and I mean yeah, it's all 40k derived marinepiggy stuff. Idk how you're not prepared for a lawsuit at that point.That being said I'm no lawyer but the unfair competition claim seems pretty laughable by gw? Unless that has some specific legal meaning I don't really see how that's relevant to some basic copyright infringement stuff.
>>96716285Is there a link to the actual legal notice? If you have 1000+ files in your catalogue of which hundreds could be the ones breaking the copyright, I doubt they would call them out individually.
>>96717222its practices that are injurious to consumers from a google search. junk lawsuit, maybe gw knew a copyright claim would fail and tried something novel. is this company in the US?
>>96717222>Unless that has some specific legal meaning Highly depends on the law of wherever the lawsuit is being filed. Continuing to violate copyright despite notice could fall under it in the US but I imagine this suit is being filed in Europe somewhere.
>>96717222I think it applies to things that are so near in design to something you made that it could be mistaken as your work but being passed off as someone else's who didn't design it, it's called "passing off" and is a subtype of unfair competition.
Cuck fapitalism.
>>96716285There was already a thread about this.
>>96716285That is in line with their past shenanigans. They weren't happy about Cults perfectly reasonable guidelines when they tried to make claim on a bunch of stuff, and the result was they had to start doxing the creators themselves and going after them in local court. GW have been skirting challenging this sort of thing legally for a long while now since their false DMCA and other usual tricks no longer work. It was inevitable that sooner or later it will end up in an actual legal case that will set precedent, and hopefully it ends up as another Chapterhouse situation where they get put in their place.
This will never work. "Orc with a gun" or "man with robot parts" or whatever is nothing they created or can claim is their turf. I hope they get raped in court.
>>96718612In a just world it shouldn't work, but the reality is that the courts are usually stacked in favour of corporations. And you might end up with some old boomer who doesn't know this from that when it comes to the thing they are ruling on. Not to mention locality of where the case is being tried which can have various consequences. It will be an interesting case though as there are a number of factors involved that make it different to their prior attempts to shut down 3rd party stuff.
>>96718651The last time these stupid jews tried this with the concept of a 'space marine,' they got rolled. The same will happen again.
>>96718676You are right but that was a different sort of legal claim to what they are trying to make now. For what they are doing now they will hopefully get bodied on two simple areas, first is that after market parts are legal, and second these STLs being sold do not exist in the same market as their product as GW doesn't sell STLs so they cannot claim counterfeiting or brand dilution/confusion like they could with normal 3rd party physical models to a certain degree. This is why such a case is going to be a complete shitshow and could really blow up in their face since depending on the precedent it sets it could effectively lock them out of moving into selling STLs forever. Though granted them ever actually adopting the selling of STLs ever was super low to begin with in the first place.
GW making a harmony gold level of blunderous wrongful lawsuits until a judge gets mad and fucks them would be great.
>>96716285>GW is fair enough in taking down 1:1 or very similar 3D designs downNo they're not, you bootlicking fucking faggot. If you're get that corporate cock out of your mouth for just a moment, you'd realize that the vast majority of copyright/patents are morally cancerous, and that they have absolutely no right to any of it.James' Wokeslop cannot die fast enough, and everyone in their offices deserve to be killed.
>>96721268>spend money and time to make something>"YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OVER IT, I CAN STEAL IT FOR FREE AND MAKE MONEY FROM IT!!!1!"You're a parasite.
>>96721277You forgot the gigachad image.
>>96716285If they're all like this pic, then the lawsuit is frivolous. The designs are certainly similar, but they're not directly lifted from what I can see, and separate work was made to create the "parody" version (I can't think of the right word, maybe homage?). It reminds me of the whole Pokemon/Palworld thing, where Nintendo seemed to think they owned the rights to any small cute animal companion designs.
>>96721340Nintendo's lawsuit against Palworld didn't involve any copyright claims, because even Nintendo knew they would lose on copyright claims. It was an entirely patent based lawsuit, because Nintendo was allowed to patent game ideas like "a mount that can switch between walking and flying" and "throwing a ball to capture a monster".I'm actually not kidding or exaggerating, the mount patent is something they sued over. After being confronted with it, they then amended the patent to cover any mount in a video game. Their claim to this patent is their game Pokemon Legends Arceus, which came out in 2022, approximately 15 years after WoW: TBC released with its flying mounts.
If you're trying to run a business with 12 employees ripping off another company's IP and explicitly making products for their games, after they tried to hire you, then you should expect to be sued out of existence.
>>96721277By your logic, 40k is made entirely out of "stolen" parts.
>>96721474I don't know anything about 40k, but I can guarantee that anything written after "by your logic" is wrong.
>>96721340eh
>>96721277NTA, but actually the second part could well be literally the truth. GW manufacture kits that construct game pieces, legally speaking they're just fancy chess sets or boardgame counters, which means arguably they fall under Design Rights under UK law not Copyright based on the ruling in the Lucasfilm vs Ainsworth case. Design Rights are far more limited, and would be completely expired at this point for all of their core range aesthetics; Eldar, Deldar, Orks(insofar as they were ever protectable), and *all* recognisable forms of Space Marine except the MKX-based Primaris shite would all functionally be basically public domain.You're not allowed to completely reproduce their physical kits(so scans would probably still be verboten), but if you model a figure or kit from scratch that uses a GW design from more than 15 years ago(or a meaningfully similar derivative of it) and you're based in the UK, you'd have a pretty solid chance of knocking a few billion of GW's valuation if they ever sued you because of how thoroughly they'd get BTFO in court.
>>96716285i'm not sure how it's "unfair competition" and sounds to me like GW is throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks because they pissed away their copyright infringement claimperhaps GWs usual "defense" of "we're a model company, not a rules company" might bite them in the ass
>>96721770They're not suing over copyright, so they admit themselves that it's different enough.
>>96716285what the fuck does "unfair competition" mean? he's literally one dude with a 3d modeling software
>>96721774Yeah, that's a separate thing. Like I said here >>96721340, it's not near enough to be a copyright issue, but that doesn't mean copyright shouldn't be a thing. I have copyright on all the works I make and sell, and have had to use it regularly to defend against direct Chinese ripoffs that steal my designs and work. I've also had copyright misused against me (Toei animation falsely claimed one thing I made because they said it violated their copyright... which was a crescent moon shape on a tiara).In this GW case, they don't really have a leg to stand on. In most other cases, copyright is vital.
Yeah they need to start a lawsuit gofundme and get some community support. GW is well-known for this shit and will continue it until they get stopped.It's a shame that wargamers can't rally around this shit the way that D&D players were able to. The possible legal nuance here is not something any of us on 4chan are capable of explaining intelligently without even knowing where the lawsuits were filed.>In this GW case, they don't really have a leg to stand on.Unfortunately, that's not how the law works. GW has money to stand on. They don't have to win. They have to drive their competitors into bankruptcy fighting.
>>96721982>They have to drive their competitors into bankruptcy fightingLast time they tried that they left the courtroom with less legal power than they started and they had to rename everything to shit like "mortyrfactor assyssynationysts". There would have been people fucking fuming that they couldn't just keep using the same names.
>>96717222>it's all 40k derived marinepiggy stuffexcept the 40k pastiche isn't unique enough to copyright.
>>96721982>Unfortunately, that's not how the law works. GW has money to stand on.If this were in some dystopia like the US, maybe. But this is a British company against what seems to be a European small business. Money isn't relevant in these, law is what matters.
>>96722189I hope you're right. I don't know the ins and outs of the UK's legal system. But my understanding is that its intellectual property right laws are even more fucked up than the US'.
>>96722189I love how your Europoids say the dumbest fucking shit. It was an American judge that finally shut down those greasy dagos at Harmony Gold filing scam suits over Battletech.
>>96722229it's impossible to send a brown person to jail for rape or murder in the UK for longer than 1 year. i have little faith their civil law is any better
>>96717222I think maybe that's the point. GW could easily win a simple copyright suit against them, but they want to set a precedent on the wider anticompetitive issue and an opponent that's obviously ripping them off is going to have a harder time looking sympathetic.
>>96722265This. I just saw a recording of a judge sentencing a man in the UK to two years in prison for a Facebook post against illegal immigrants. In addition,.the judge also felt the need to give a 5 minute monologue about how appalled he is to read such a "hateful" Facebook post
>>96722229They're more fucked up in that they're less useful. They're not as fast and loose as American laws where they just make shit up on the spot (and so can cover even unique cases, even if it is too subjective), which makes it sucky for anyone trying to enforce copyright, and it takes way too long for laws to catch up to the loopholes being exploited. It's why it seems like they're going for one of the unfair competition claims, as it's easier to try to prove something like brand confusion than it is to argue copyright violations (which they couldn't do, because technically they're new designs and GW don't own the rights to all possible variations of a theme).
>>96716285I don’t know legalese that well so I can’t comment on the validity of that specific charge but ffs man I really can’t bother to care about this tard. The guy was putting out and openly selling stl packs where you could obviously tell which units he was ripping off. Not ranges. Individual units. I don’t believe him nor do I believe he’s smart enough to have any pity for over this lmao
>>96722265>>96722300>Regurgitating /pol/ talking pointsThe shit you're saying is just flatly false. The UK's online speech laws require a demonstration of actual intent to cause violence in order for criminal prosecution. The cases you've seen were later thrown out. And immigrants make up the same 12% of prison populations that they make up of criminal complaints that get filed.Please stop being brainwashed by hysterical social media nonsense and use your internet access to google actual facts.
>>96722392can you articulate what exactly he is doing that's wrong? he's not stealing gw design documents. he's not violating gw copyright.he's providing a service that gw doesn't.
>>96722434He’s making obviously shit knockoffs without being smart enough to slightly obscure that or live in Ukraine Russia or China lmao. It’s called undercutting and should be done with people with a iq over 40
>>96722465so he's doing something legal and you're just mad about it?
>>96722465Lidl and Aldi better lawyer up then
>>96722465Knockoffs are fine, though. There's nothing illegal about them. He would've been in trouble if he'd directly copied designs, but it looks like he redesigned them instead.
>>96721936i'm pretty sure unfair competition is an italian term that includes copyright.
>>96722716It is. Looking at the gofundme both he and gw seems to agree since he includes infringing stls. Yeah he’s being shady since he only shows his least infringing stls lol
> counterpoint
>>96722959It looks like he's also taken down the pages on his site that show all the designs. At least, I can't access them now.
>>96722994The fun part is that google still shows print shops using his designs. Seriously come the fuck on man. Were you expecting not to get pinged for this
>>96723032Alternate sculpts for 30k always get me. The crowd for that game especially wants verisimilitude with the original aesthetics, something these knockoff sculpts taking liberties don't really do.
>>96722392>>96722465The purpose of copyright is to provide incentive to create original artistic works, not to let people squat on vast swaths of design space and demand rent if anyone does anything similar. You cannot copyright an idea, only the expression of an idea. If Ghamak guy looks at a GW model, says "hm, zombie crocodiles," then creates his own zombie crocodile model from scratch, he is engaged in the same legally protected creative process as the creators of Brightburn, Squadron Supreme, Irredeemable, or The Authority.
>>96721970I don't believe it is, at least not as presently constructed. If you want to bring back the original concept of>you have 30 years to make money off your idea then it passes into the commons for everyone to make use of because if you haven't made money by that point you don't deserve to and if you have then your costs should be recouped and you can compete fairly with anyone else who wants to use the idea/artworkthen great. Modern "life of the artist + 70 years + extensions you can apply for + the ability to pass the copyright on in a will or sell it to a corporation" copyright is unmitigated dogvomit that does nothing but enrich a small number of people - almost none of which are the originators of a given work or idea, incidentally - and stifle creativity.In fact, I'd go further - Copyright should function much like Design Rights; you get a decade or so of exclusive use, then a few more years where you technically still control the rights but are required to license them to anyone who makes you a fair and reasonable offer, and then after that you can get fucked anyone can use the concept.
>>96723198I massively disagree. I'm of the opinion that rights belong to you forever, and you pass them to who you wish to have them when you die, however anyone can use it they just owe you 50% of their gross profits. If an idea is good and makes money, it's valuable and you deserve to reward yourself and your lineage with it. If an idea is bad and doesn't make money, then it's not worth copying.
>>96718768If GW wins lawsuit as it is worded it basically means that any miniature in the same scale as GW minis and cheaper than them is "unfair competition". Which would be super fun.
>>96723472No, that's not what it means. It means that any miniature that can be easily mistaken as being a GW product but not made by them would be at risk of lawsuits.
>>96723554And how are you going to determine that when GW employs whole teams of different 3d designers? Not even talking about how management tries to cover as much appeal ground as possible with their products.
>>96723472Nah I don’t believe his framing on this lol. Same as his gofundme where he only shows his least similar minis. The dude makes outright copies of units instead of marine builder or generic gun marine designs which from my understanding is what gw is trying to target here
>>96723585I don't determine it, I'm not the judge.
>>96723592Exactly. It's very obvious that his business is providing cheaper alternatives to exact units GW puts out. It's a 1 to 1 copy of the unit itself.However, even his most similar designs have been redesigned enough to not be exact. Which is why the lawsuit is focusing on the unfair competition aspect, and not copyright. They probably have a case in that regard.His issue is he's already being dishonest, in order to make money to cushion his own failure to protect himself. If he'd used a different style to properly distance himself, he would've been fine, but he literally took the same units and same style then created a similar copy, intentionally to replace those units.
>>96723657what here is supposed to be illegal? why does GW own the copyright to their house style or the idea of a space marine in bulky armor?
>>96723824you should ask an IP lawyer.
>>96717291Courts often demand every single detail for things like this.
>>96724059I don't have to ask an IP lawyer, since GW already did and they decided to sue for "unfair competition" instead of copyright violation.
>>96723824You just said why this isn’t a copywrite case lol. The idiot directly and provably copied specific units to the point all his space marines look like actual units that an ai edited. He copied the actual weapon designs and poses ffs. The only surprise here is that he wasn’t taken down sooner
>>96723824Well, technically, the direct knockoffs of specific units isn't illegal (hence, they're not pursuing him in that regard), but his actions of creating exact 1 to 1 knockoffs for entire sets is what's illegal under unfair competition. You aren't allowed to wait for someone else to put all the money and effort into making a load of work, then steal all the designs, tweak them, and then sell them off together in what is obviously the same sets.It's sort of like if you opened a restaurant that served your own versions of the entire McDonald's menu and only that, it would be far too obvious what you were doing.
Screw GW and it's prices.
>>96723032Why would he assume this is problematic? Neither are his sculpts the best, nor the closest to actual GW designs. Its proxies, thats for sure, and you can guess which GW minis they should resemble, they are so far away from the originals..
>>96723554>It means that any miniature that can be easily mistaken as being a GW productAnd who defines "easily mistaken"? GW does. And they will use this (theoretically) won lawsuit to remove many others, no matter if they are doing very close proxies or not.
>>96724100Show some examples?
>>96724444>It's sort of like if you opened a restaurant that served your own versions of the entire McDonald's menu and only that, it would be far too obvious what you were doing.So Burger King is illegal?
>>96724805Compare the two menus.
>>96722434He's not doing anything wrong, but what he's doing is derivative enough for me to not care about his plight.
>>96724832>Burgers, Fries and Pop. >Burgers, Fries and PopOh Shi
>>96724856No, compare the actual products on offer on the menu. I doubt you will though, I'm starting to suspect you're not just an innocent idiot needing simple things explained, but a bad faith actor being a cunt. Happy to be proven wrong, though.
>>96717291He posted some documents on his patreon page and under the gofundme campaign too.>>96717222>unfair competitionThey are using the same angle as Lego uses to prevent stores from selling competing brands whose minifgures look too much like their own (or so they claim), while deliberately avoiding to define exactly which aspects the other company should change in their figures to make them look distinctive enough to be okay. It took the german company Bluebrixx years and a lot of money to fight those claims long enough to now have a water tight definition of what they can sell and what not. And now they have their own minifigure design and Lego cant do shit about it (despite winning 3 legal cases against bluebrixx, resulting in lots of "not-lego" sets being sold after removing the figures from them and lots of legal fees)Pic related, Cobi never had the problem to begin with, because they designed their figures very differently from the start. GW seems to go the very same way, but if Ghamak will be able to resist them, those lawsuits will result in a very clear definition at what point a "space marine" looks too much like a "GW space marine", and when it does not.
>>96724791Scroll up. 4chan image cap is stupid. Literally copied the pose from the official one lol
>>96724867Both have some very similar products, and both have some unique items that only they sell too.But i can get a cheeseburger a double cheeseburger, with fries and a coke and a vanille milkshake in both restaurants. But only Mc Donalds has a Big Tasty, and only Burger King used to have Onion Rings. But so does GW sell miniatures that Ghamak does not, and Ghamak has some units and minis in his portfolio that lack a clear GW counterpart. Take pic related for example. Saying he does just copy GW is not doing him justice (even tho, those birdmen are ugly, but at least they are original)
>>96724894At least take the effort to put the original next to it. Do you expect me to look for it myself?But even if you were right, how does this prevent GW from naming exactly those units to be removed?
>>96722189GW filed the suit in a US court in Florida.What I don't understand, not being a TTWargamer, is why GW cares so much; as I understand it, none of these are tourney legal kits, and aren't tournament players building armies their bread & butter?
>>96721491>I don't know anything about the thread I'm in but here's my hot cowshit opinion!
>>96724895Dude he’s copied the entire primaris range down to the pose on a lot of them. If you want a better example he took the entire Burger King menu and used their recipes with maybe a different bun. He also has a seperate different kids menu. Doesn’t mean he’s not at fault for the recipes and menu he took
>>96724894Anon, if you try to patent a pose lawyers would literally bury you in their backyard before you finish talking about it.
>>96724923There are only that many tactical and "cool" poses a power armoured guy can have.
>>96724867ntayrt Just a 30 second google search but these seem about the same enough to be a space marine and a Space Marine. >sesame seed chapter
>>96724933You can’t patent a pose but if you put his space marine stls next to the primaris range and go unit by unit yeah after your 50th blatantly the exact same thing unit, yeah uhh. He couldn’t even be fucked to change the pose on most of these lol
>>96725036Wait a second. There are some marginal differences in calories there!
>>96725041Someone else can photoshop them next to each other.. But no Anon, its NOT the same poses.
>>96725041So help me out, why is the Burger King vs Mcdonalds thing different?
>>96716285I think it's pretty bullshit on the face of it considering Ghamak is one of those sculptors I never bother with because his models look nothing like 40k. I don't remember GW ever making AdMech but roman, Sisters of Battle but Soviet, or wild west Orks.
>>96725099>I don't remember GW ever making AdMech but roman, Sisters of Battle but Soviet, or wild west Orks.Some of his stuff is fairly original, some just looks like shit. The Primaris sculpts are pretty close to GW in their blandness, but i think his Fantasy stuff is way more in danger of being problematic than his 40k sculpts. People itt seem to focus on 40k only, but more than half his catalogue is Fantasy.
>>96722392He doesn't use any of the iconography GW uses, the body proportions, weapon layout, and heads are clearly different. Only one they could possibly make a claim on is the Impulsor, and GW doesn't make an Impulsor Whirlwind.
>>96723554Except they sued the proxy maker that is by far the least similar to their designs barring some wacky "Throw in as a bonus" shit from Cyber Forge and Printminis. If they can sue Ghamak they can sue literally anyone.
are these guys long for this world? won't ai eventually be able to do 3d models? at that point you can just go from prompt to printing the model.
>>96725209There's a lot of design considerations for a 3d printing model an AI wouldn't be able to handle.Than again, a lot of the 3d print sculptors aren't able to handle them either.
>>96724913I know about copyright and lawsuits. Obviously, you don't, but do rage on impotently x
>>96724912>GW filed the suit in a US court in Florida.Then it doesn't matter. The "defendant" isn't from Florida and isn't living there, and GW isn't based there.
>>96725036THE WHOLE MENU. Fuck, /tg/ has gotten so retarded.
>>96725183They sued the most prolific 1 to 1 knockoff maker. They cannot sue just anyone.
>>96725261No, those are the main items. If you can't figure it out with those the entire phone book wouldn't help you out.
>>96725209Not unless you can get your hands on diamond computers. Right now you either use a "supercomputer" to generate slop or accept substandard results. All those problems that you get in 2D pictures would be way worse in 3D models.
>>96725243>I think I know about law because I think its about lelautism but don't know context is always important and what judges use to do their name lmao
>>96725279They're not the main items, they're saver items, and you have to compare both menus ENTIRELY because the point is copying an ENTIRE MENU.
>>96725291You're actually retarded and genuinely don't know what this thread is about. Good luck with that.
>>96725209>won't ai eventually be able to do 3d models?There are already AI created STL files available. I have yet to see one that does not suck, but that is only a matter of time i guess.
>>96725254Ghamak posted files from Italy, and apparently its filed there, because he is Italian.
>>96725303But the Space Marines are the saver items for GW too. And he did not copy all the rest.
>>96725334I know. It's why he's being sued for unfair competition, it's a UK/EU situation. It would make literally no sense to file from Florida.
>>96725351Okay, bad faith actor being a cunt it is.
>>96725303>the burger, cheese burger and other burger aren't the main items >at mcdonalds and burger king That's where you are.
>>96725372You still can't explain how the burgers are different than the marines. You asked for evidence, were given it by a different anon and have nothing.
>>96725163Oh no it just looks like a ai chewed on the official mini. It’s only 97% similar. That extra percent really matter in a court of law looking for it to be 95% similar lol. A knight crusader with extra greebles still looks like a knight crusader
>>96725560Relate this to Mcdonalds vs Burger King.
>>96724071see >>96722716 and >>96722959
>>96723247You should be killed by grave and sober-minded members of your community.
>>96723032I dont understand why he would get in trouble for that. Are people not allowed to make big Gothic robot men?
>>96724444Places do exactly that. I dont understand what he stole. Can you please explain to me which thing is stolen from GW?
>>96725254>>96725361They filed in Florida to take advantage of US laws and enforcement; also, it appears most of the retailers GW went after are based in the US, even if it is only part of distribution.
>>96726119Sales are stolen.
>>96725892Don't be retarded, it isn't bootlicking to say copyright protects owners. It doesn't matter if it's a corporation, there are still people at the top who own the company and therefore the rights. If creators don't want to be a part of that, they can simply choose not to be. Sounds like you've got a massive chip on your shoulder, but honestly it's not my problem and I really don't care, so get fucked and grow up, babes.
>>96726090It took me a few minutes, but it seems that design is something called a Combat Walker in 40K. He didn't even try to hide it with a proper redesign.
>>96725649https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_legal_cases#Big_Jack_(Australia)
>>96723247Any idea is a copied idea. Nobody should have rights over a pre-existing concept.
>>96726282Elaborate. I wasn't going to by GW anymore, so I only look at stls. If it weren't for thay, id leave completely.How do I, in this scenario, steal from a company I wasn't going to buy anything from?
>>96726396Ok, I still dont see any issue. Nothing in that image, to include the name, is copyright
>>96726444What a nonsense thing to say. Nobody has rights over a pre-existing concept, you have rights over new things you make.
>>96726528>but, your honour, I know you say I illegal streamed a film, but I wasn't going to watch it if I paid for it anyway!
>>96726537Lucky you're not a judge, then.
>>96724895>only Burger King used to have Onion RingsMaybe on Planet Retard
>>96726841how would you feel if the roles were reversed? if you were a small solo designer who came up with 40k, was selling minis and rules on a small storefront, and then GW took your ideas wholesale and took your sales? they could produce faster and on a broader scale, and they buried your products. you have no recourse, because intellectual property isn't real. is that cool?
>>96726926>>96726841i'm NTA to be clear, and my questions are open to anyone ITT
>>96726861No, not the same thing. This is a seperwte product. This is more like "I didnt play the oblivion remake because im waiting for the fan made one"
They're incredibly ugly sculptsPrinting them would be a waste of my time and a waste of resin, buying the STLs even more so, but people are just so desperate for their GW crack that they'll take anything
>>96726528You don’t but anyone who sees that the business across the street sells the same copywrited stuff for cheaper will. You legally can’t steal someone’s work to undercut them and sell what they worked on cheaper. It’s why this isn’t a copy-write case but unfair business. You don’t have to like gw to understand why they’ll win this case
>>96726993This isn’t a seperate product, they’re 95% the same copies of every primaris model to the point that on the majority of them, by silhouette, it’s difficult or impossible for a majority of people to tell the difference. It’s the miniature equivalent of those shit Chinese mobile games where you see a charizard painted blue
>>96722025>Astra Militarum. Adeptus Astartes.Gay retard shit. I'm not calling them that.>Imperial Guard. Space Marines.Giga chads. Badass names. Awesome.
>>96722404>The shit you're saying is just flatly false.
>>96725036
>>96726861>illegal streamI bet you're the kind of faggot that claims torrenting is illegal too.
>>96727065Ok that still doesn't hold up. Nothing is stolen.I can pick from 30 brands of pillows. Dozens of car manufacturers, 1000s of RPGsShould Magic be shut down because Pokémon exists? Anyone can make sci-fi miniatures
>>96726869>im so happy this chud wont rul against my favorite corporation
>>96727210>Should Magic be shut down because Pokémon exists?That'd be a weird one since MtG came out before Pokemon. Even weirder since they're both owned by the same company.
>>96723247You're a retard and if you and your corporate buttbuddies had your way literally all of human history would never have happened because some faggot would have said >NO, ME make wheel, wheel MINE, u no use wheel or me bash in you face, me demand HALF your resources to use wheel!and we'd still all be using fucking dragged sleds or just never do anything that couldn't be accomplished by hand.The world was a better place when people - and I use that term loosely - like you could just be dragged into an ally and beaten to death.
>>96727285Ok, yugooh then. Im currently looking at flooring at Lowes. I have several brands that are all doing the same thing. If I pick brand A, did A steal that sell from brand B?
>>96727210They’re not making their own cars. This guys a retard who stole actual designs from gw. This isn’t opr where they made their own minis from the ground up. These are visually direct copies meant to undercut gw minis in gw games. He didn’t bother to even change the names on a lot of “his” shit. Since we’re bringing up tcgs this guy is the one that makes those shitty fake yugioh cards that you’re tricked into trading for as a little kid lol
>>96727500No they aren't, at best they are directly inspired by gw. I have a garage full of different brablnd tools, I can swap all kinds of parts around and they work. Do you know what stealing is? Im being serious
Oh look. The tranny discord is trying to discredit and sow discontent against Gw again.
>>96724832Burger King even has copies of the Big Mac and the Baconator (from Wendy's). You're wrong, friendo.
>>96727648>Oh look. The tranny discord is trying to discredit and sow discontent against Gw again.
If you think the concept of copyrights and IP are bad, you should have the courage to say that.
>>96727648Because this is real and not made up, right dingus?
>>96727648I wonder how many threads are just these fags replying to themselves pretending to start a flame war.
Where this is going to get interesting is GW trying to prove that Ghamak products can be mistaken for theirs. Because the products are digital files, which is something GW doesn't sell. Both products exist in entirely different markets. Part of proving that the layman could confuse the two products is whether they could be construed as the same product if offered side by side on a store shelf. So GW would have to show somewhere that sells both physical GW product and 3rd party STLs side by side, with the kicker being that the STL is not printed by a 3rd party as they would be one responsible for the breach now Ghamak.
the people ITT that are pretending ghamak's designs aren't obvious bootlegs are being willfully oblivious and it's a bit pathetic
>>96727615“Yeah bro this looks nothing like an official gw mini. Theres nothing alike. Ghamak totally doesn’t use poses and actual names from units bro. Totally different. Totally just taking inspiration. I just need to go proont my earth brigader”
>>96728988Oh no a demon Gothic ww1 tank. I do think GW may get rid of weapons options further to bleed out these markets
>>96724781>And who defines "easily mistaken"? GW does.No the court does you fucking idiot. If GW wins this lawsuit it doesn't suddenly mean they get to decide what is/isn't unfair competition, they would need to re-litage it every time.
>>96724069I feel like you could very easily abuse such a thing by simply spamming the same shit with only millimeters of difference between them.
>>96729217That just gives more ammo.
>>96727056It's weird, isn't it? 2 clicks away on any plattform are better looking proxies too, and yet he seems to be popular
Reminder that most GW designs are actually stolen from D&D, 2000 AD and Runequest.Like all of the Beastmen line for one example.
>>96728152It's a proxy, not a direct copy.
>>96729383His stuff is pretty hit and miss, but he has been around long enough that he is generally mentioned as one of the places to start looking for readily available proxies. I'd never touch his Marine or Guard stuff, but his daemon stuff is pretty decent.
>>96717222>copyright: genetically enhanced warrior monk / techno thug in gothic power armourNah that belongs to everyone now
This thread is so full of deliberately dishonest people who are trying to act like the guy making money selling what are very clearly shitty knockoffs of existing space marine units is some poor victim. His business exists solely to undercut GW and sell people cheap proxies, which is fine, but don't pretend like GW is evil for saying "don't steal our designs, change them slightly, and then resell them.".
>>96729478Nobody disputes that he makes proxy models. But they are nowhere near enough in their design to actually mistake them for GW. And you also are dishonest by making your post sound like this guy would only do space marine stuff. More than 50% of his releases are fantasy minis.
>>96729478>the guy making money selling what are very clearly shitty knockoffs of existing space marine units is some poor victimThat isn't illegal at all. GW is being really petty. All of their IP is already stolen in a similar way.
People ITT see 3d sculpted proxies the first time and think they are the real thing. It's hilarious.
>>96729478Considering the last time GW tried something like this, which was Chapterhouse, they failed to win any claim on designs being ripped off and went solely on violation of trademark. Which they largely got bodied on as well, including being laughed at when they tried to claim ownership of simple geometric icons like arrows or the Devastator chevron which dates at least as far back as ancient Greece and was still used by many modern militaries to denote Heavy Armour divisions. There is a reason for this and that is because in general designs aren't something you can trademark/copyright/patent as a whole. Only specific unique aspects, icons, or terminology etc. And to even make these sorts of claims to be tested the products need to exist in the same market space to be compared side by side. Which these don't as GW doesn't sell STLs, and Ghamak isn't selling physical models. No matter how simple you believe this case is going to be it isn't.
>>96723032Apparently Battletech is now infringing on GW.
>>96729524The funny part is that GW did literally include someone that made a BT Warhammer (mech) mousepad or something in a recent lawsuit. Despite their claims that they had someone order and check all the products in the claim to confirm they were in violation of their trademark or whatever. And despite that clear fuck up it still cost the guy like $900 in lawyer fees he can't recoup to get him dismissed from the suit.
>>96725270If you think Ghamak's shit is 1 to 1 you need to go in and get your eyes checked.
>>96729544>>96725270This. If they get away with him, no proxy ever will be save. His stuff is as far away from GW as it gets.
>>96727837I'm starting to wonder if that idiot claiming a 40k 3p stl archive was a "GW leak" is actually a GW false flagger so they can argue brand confusion.
>>96725209Ai bros are worse than talentlessThey are lazyNo one wants their slop even if they were free
>>96728152No animal heads on the crests, squarish design for CORV when real model is curved, bolter is in center of chest rather than below. Grimnyr's stance on rocks is much narrower, wearing close fitting jacket rather than flowing robes, staff is entirely different, head is entirely different.This is like saying no one else can make army dudes because GI Joe exists. They're clearly "inspired by" but look nothing alike.
>>96729569Pretty sure that whole thing was braindead content creators misconstruing shit for clicks. My understanding was that it was a bunch of scans that were floating around on Cults that finally got pinged and taken down. Regardless any brand confusion argument GW can attempt should fall over pretty easily. It is exactly why hey have never really gone for using it when push came to shove and generally only mention it in C&Ds. The fact that they have clearly given up trying to legally pursue the actual hosting sites themselves and instead target the individual creators in a local court speaks volumes. I imagine that they are banking on bankrupting the guy before it can actually go to court like they did with emang.
>>96729600>that they are banking on bankrupting the guyIts an obvious and well working legal tactic if you are the bigger fish.
>>96729624You are unfortunately right. Though that did completely blow up in their face with Chapterhouse. Fingers crossed it happens again.
>>96729626Yep, hopefully, but Chapterhouse still broke, despite their win, didn't they?
>>96729821GW stepped on an ant and contracted a weird ant disease for their trouble. Some fights just aren't worth it and this looks like more of the same, how much could this guy really be eating into their bottom line?
>>96729514I mean, they tried to copyright a double - headed eagle. By that logic, they would need to sue Albania, the Russian federation, Montenegro, the families Habsburg and Romanov and probably Turkey (the earliest known depiction of a two-headed bird came from the Hittite empire in todays Anatolia).
>>96722404Your full of shit. As a UK national I can, sadly, say that condemnation of migrants or negative talk about them is grounds for arrest and imprisonment over here.
>>96726926Why are you asking me? I'm clearly pro-copyright.
>>96727219I don't buy GW stuff, I don't even care they exist, I care that there are parasites out there who try to make money off of copyrighted work. If you ever create anything of value and actually have to enforce your own copyright one day (doubtful, but still), you'd understand.
>>96727327>You're a retard and if you and your corporate buttbuddiesDon't be a spastic all your life, you absolute mongoloid. I like copyright because it protects me FROM corporations. I have legal recourse to stop bigger, wealthier businesses from stealing my work. Evidentally, you don't have anything of value to be concerned about, so bitch and moan about things you don't even understand.
>>96727699See >>96726410, "friendo".
>>96722300>I just saw a recording of a judge sentencing a man in the UK to two years in prison for a Facebook post against illegal immigrants. In addition,.the judge also felt the need to give a 5 minute monologue about how appalled he is to read such a "hateful" Facebook postI'm sure you can substantiate your claims with a link to the video. I mean, I'd like to be able to trust you, unfortunately there's been quite a few bad faith actors around lately.
>>96725036>sesame seed chapterSomeone paint studded marine pauldrons as sesame seeds on a bun.
>>96730907>the Federal Court ruled against McDonald's, finding that "Big Jack is not deceptively similar to Big Mac", and that the company had not established that Hungry Jack's trademarks had infringed on McDonald's existing trademarks.
>>96731076Yep, because they had variance in their menus and products. Which is the whole point. Do try to keep up.
>>96729478Kek. He could've used a different shield, make the gunner sit perpendicular to the guns and put the feeding chute behind the shield it and he would've been fine.
>>96722392Only the knight is similar and even that screams proxy shitSince anon is retarded and can't stop to think I'll accept the hover-whirlwind in his mindThe rest though is straight generic scifi
>>96716285based GWen
>>96727648eunuchs with too much free time
>>96731812actually, the only thing i would consider problematic on these models above is that skull with wings icon on the tank, the dread and the bunker. This thing alone makes it 100% a 40k proxy.
>>96716285>>96724805Selling alternatives for GW minis that are compatible with GW games is perfectly legal and moral. No company gets to decide that competing against them is not allowed. As long as they don't look exactly the same and aren't named exactly the same and don't copy the trade dress (GW logo etc), it's all perfectly okay and GW attempting to dispute it is an anti-competitive practice that they should be punished for.
>>96729489>But they are nowhere near enough in their design to actually mistake them for GW.For you, maybe, but for those of us outside this whole thing, I thought he was selling their actual designs when I first saw them, I didn't realise they were tweaked versions. Sounds like he sits and waits for GW to release a collection, then copies all the separate figures at once, but I'm not invested enough in this to actually check.
>>96732585>but for those of us outside this whole thing,>I thought he was selling their actual designsYeah, sure.
>>96726926GW already does that. They stole Shadowheart's face from BG3 for Lady Malys. They're insulated from being sued because they're a relatively big corporation; this would just even the playing field. GW made their setting by stealing from all sorts of other stuff.
>>96722541Depending on justification no they're not, you can in fact get done for a product derivative enough to cause confusion in consumers. Not that I'm commenting on the validity of the case but it can absolutely be ruled illegal and that would make the whole 'unfair competition' label make sense.
>>96732782I did. I thought they were suing him for making their designs himself. It wasn't until someone posted comparisons that I realised they weren't the same thing. Not sure why that's so difficult to believe.
>>96729478>GW owns the right to all manned turrets with two guns and a shieldLick that boot a little harder.
>>96721268>>96725892>>96733119>>96726007>>96727327This is a corporate shill/bot that's designed to make you hate copyright so that they can more easily steal from small creators.
>>96733759Everybody hated copyright laws until AI.
>>96733911The only people who ever hated copyright laws were uncreative parasites that wanted to steal.
>>96716285Deserved tbqh
Anyone get further than >I don't think its very creative so its bad!in relation to the legal dispute?
>>96737764Yes, we got to the point of him blatantly ripping off entire GW sets. In fact, I don't think anyone has even suggested he's being sued for not being very creative, it's for unfair competition.
>>96721770Looks like a starcraft character.
>>96737844Does it seem like its an actual legal case with legs or not? That part has been unclear on account of everyone's emotional baggage and GW trauma.
>>96723247I agree, we should treat copyright like property where once you aquire it you own it forever until you die or pass it to someone else. of course, we should also tax it based on estimated value. if you can't pay the taxes, then blackrock or vanguard can buy it as part of an auction and ban you or your descendents from using it unless you pay them rent.
