Previous: >>96719262I Ain't Readin All That edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>tqFavorite rock that's not Sol Ring/Signet?
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Who is hyped?
This guy is underrated in equipment decks.>tqHmm... I really like Gilded Lotus because when you untap you feel like a green player. My foil Planeshift Star Compass is one of the most beautiful foil cards ever, so I like it a lot.Liquimetal Torque is fun times when someone casts a board wipe on artifacts.
What's her card going to do?
>TQ Better start blocking with those engines you played instead of real blockers
Used to be this until they straight power crept it with kicker
>>96728026
>TQThis. Easy.
>>967279880/1Can crew any vehicle whatever the wording needs to beAttacking vehicles get keyword soulMeld with gendoThe melded creature ends the game in a draw as a statebased action
>tqThis nigga, although the mana rock part is really the floor.
>tqGuarantee going from 3 -> 5 next turn
>>96727866So I am assuming this thread is going to be utterly unusable for like half a year, right?
>>96728084lrn2filter
>>96728084Were they ever?
>>96728036>6 mana for 2That sucks so bad
>>96728098not in a counters deckthis is great in my Atraxa and Kilo decks
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96728081BasedWorn powerstone also does this
Need some advice please. Is Contamination considered bracket 4 like Blood Moon?
>>96728162Blood Moon isn’t bracket 4. Is that the joke?
>>96727866>tqThere are a few. This one in particular has surprised me. Ramps pretty great in decks with cheap commanders. Goes crazy in legend tribal decks. Tap synergies as well. Pretty solid little rock.
>>96728167MLD is literally bracket 4>>96728162Considering it's 10x stronger than Blood Moon, yes.
>>96727866I found out the other day my favorite rock has a meta vintage deck and it made me really happy to find out it's actually as OP as I always thought it was (In pillow fort/control decks)
>>96728195Blood Moon doesn't destroy shit
>>96728211Its also a black card which is a good color in commander, unlike red
>>96728195Blood Moon is not MLD
>>96728211Exactly when did I say destroy?
>>96728211Ok? MLD means mass land denial in brackets. Blood moon is mana denial. It counts. Sorry bud
>>96728223>>96728211Oh we're doing the disingenuous shit again? Really?
>>96727866>TQPatchwork Banner.A mana rock AND an anthem for all my Tribal decks? Damn straight I'm using that.
>>96728235It's because retarded Rachel changed MLD to "mass land DENIAL" when it did not mean that for 30 years. So now people get confused.
>>96728244Look, they're intentionally talking about Brackets, I assume they took 5 seconds to skim the rules if they're going to make claims.
>tqI love the amount of degenerate things you can do with this.>inb4 shitters reee about fast mana
>>96727866>tqI love the amount of degenerate things you can do with this.>inb4 shitters reee about fast mana
>on vacation >decide to check out a random LGS for fnm commander>multiple people order pizza to the store>eating pizza and chicken dripping with grease as they play>handling cards with their greasey hands>half the players on their phone watching tik tok>everyone else on my pod playing those AI proxy decks with multiple names so you need yo ask what everything is as it comes down>need to tap them on the shoulder to get them to pay attention to it being their turnPlayed one game and left holy shit. Visited tons of LGS's around the world but this was the worst.
>>96728244What an odd thing to say. It's almost like "mass land destruction" is overly specific and leads to retarded arguments.Of course it's not MLD. It exiles the lands.Of course it's not MLD. The lands are just tapped down forever.Of course it's not MLD. They just tap for colors that don't exist in your deck."mass land denial" instead adequately describes the broader context by which the play pattern is unacceptable at lower power levels. "We think it's unfair to make decks at a lower power level that win by making it impossible for your opponents to have land based mana sources. You can hellbend them, wipe their board, make their shit more expensive, make them pay taxes on everything, hurt them for turning things sideways, make them play odds and evens, fuck with them for playing things that are expensive, fuck with them for playing things that are cheap or a laundry list of other stax effects, but if you're going to delete the things they need to turn sideways to even play, you're going to do it at the big-kids table where they're going to Mana Drain your ass and show you how they do it back home in Toleria"
>>96728231>>96728234>>96728235Okay, but if you're running basics, only a few of your lands will be affected so how exactly is it "mass"?
>>96728310Pretending not to know how to read is a boring trick.
>>96728317the blue one is the coolest
Is it MLD? And if not why aren't hearthhull bandwagonners pumping my reserved list bags?
I've successfully gotten an entire discord server to stop requesting b3 games and shift entirely to b2.
>>96728289>SWAPPING MEANINGS IS TOTALLY NOT CONFUSING BRO!Fuck off.
>>96728310>I can't read!!!!lmao dude come on
How about just don't use retarded brackets meant for newfags?
>>96728384If changing one word is going to fuck you up this badly, maybe card games aren't the best hobby for you.
>Splinter is mono black>Super-Shredder is a 1/1uh ok
There needs to be more benefits for running basics and more punishments for non-basics
>>96728325>>96728405The image you have posted does not answer my question, how are you defining "mass"?
WAIT A FUCKING SECONDrecently I built a ninja tribal deckTMNT is coming outdoes that mean I will be eating good soon?
OINK OINK OINK
>>96728421>I can't read!!!!!Dude, the number is LITERALLY in there.
>>96728439They only revealed a small amount but it already has 15 Ninjas. Do note they are not all in black.
DING DONG
FNM report, Derevi stickers got there once more. But it wasn't particularly satisfying. i drew the voltron half of my deck, not the sticker half. Finest Hour and Buster Sword + Songbirds' Blessing into Eldrazi Conscription simply deleted the table.
>>96728459based Sticker chad
>>96728415His mono-colour card for the commander deck where they wanted to split the turtles + Splinter into the five colours is black. His main set cards will be all over the place.
>>96728339
>>96728467Oh they're doing commander decks?neat
>>96728442You mean "several"?
speaking of MLDFUCK YEAH
>>96728470Just one, a WUBRG deck for all the turtles. The main commander is Leo and you can partner him with any turtle/Splinter, and the backup is the WUBRG team-up card of the turtles. Feels like they probably could've gotten away with making the deck four colour but no it's all gotta be five colour shit for UB.
>>96728484>only oneweird and far gayer
>>96728484>Just one, a WUBRGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>96728475Okay I'm actually growing tired of this. It says 4.
>>96728195Thanks. I think I got the picture that it's not cool for most casual tables. What about Shivan Harvest? Would that be considered "MLD"?
>>96728484>for UBWotC is obsessed with 5 color slop
>>96728590Depends on how much you're using it, if your intent is to just use it to shoot down super problematic lands, then no. If your goal is to make 100 tokens, feed half of them to Phyrexian Altar and blow up two player's entire landbases, then yes.
>>96728446that one was the best I saw>TMNT>no ninjutsu cardswhat did they mean by this?
>>96728597You only have a handful of cards spoiled of a full set+commander deck. I'd give it some time to say zero ninjitsu.
>>96728597I think they're replacing it with Sneak for this, which feels silly for the set with Ninja in the name.
>>96728439Eating pigslop out of the redditrough yummy yummy
I'm glad they didn't make him some generic equipment man
>>96728439Splinter and Shredder seems fine for Ninjas
>>96728439lollmaokill yourself
>>96728594Makes sense that it's about intent, thanks. I just want to have all types of removal covered.
>>96728636why not just reprint the kamiwaga rat?this one fucking sucks
>>96728631Man this made me look up that live action movie from the 90's. Haven't seen it since I was a kid. Unlocked some very deep primal memories. A little shook.
>>96728675Anon was molested by a man in a hockey mask. Sad
What is this shit? New sub-format like Archvillain and planechase?
>>96728685Looks like the hydra shit from theros. Prerelease minigame
My deck ramps then plays big evasive creatures and has removal/counterspells You will see no synergy here
>>96728556Can you highlight where the fuck you see the number 4 in that image??
>>96728446I like this guy. Could make a decent and cheap to build deck. Would have preferred trample but I guess menace isn't so bad either.
>>96728335Very true, Amy had some really abstract pieces (and to be fair some really awful memed arts too) but so many of the iconic early pieces of magic art history is all her. She didnt have a ton of talent but her art has soul to it, more than you can say about 95% of MTG art nowadays.
>>96728711READTHEIMAGE
>>96728420winter moon is a recent print that I have used to great effect. It's pretty balanced and 2 mana is nice
Bloodmoon fags, run this shit. Still stops greedy manabases and nobody will care about it enough to tell you it's only bracket 4 or something
>>96728656Same thing how strip mine can be MLD if you plan to replay it multiple times
>>96728837No because then you can still tap for multiple manaHow about you play some fucking basics instead of dumping your wallet on lands?
>>96728865I play my mono color decks more than my multicolor lands, I'm usually not the one you are fucking with bloodmoon.Fair enough though, I guess it doesn't stop coffers
Spent $400 on cards that will likely end up as piles on my bookshelf award
>foil only Fuck you
>>96728879sort your shit lad
>>96728879Yeah yeah, we know swordfag
>>96728887>my LGS wanted $40 for this shit on launch>I told them to get fucked>they listed it online>its now down to $25Feels good
>>96728439Yuriko cEDH player here.Super Splinter is probably pretty good but everything else spoiled so far is crap.
Jenovabros, how are we feeling right now?
>>96728865Because all basics makes for a shitty 3 color decks. Period.
>>967289623 color decks are bracket 4 and deserve to be Blood Moon'd
>>96728922>>its now down to $25nigga what
>>96728946Im a master mutant player with jenova in the deck and I refuse to put any TMNT in my deck. I will stick to drawing three cards when i sacrifice anything the master reanimates.
>>96728977Don't play that deck then.
>>96728967Meant euro :€
>>96728990lmao eurokeks are so buck broken they even call their own currency americoin
>>96728981Nah the master isn't mutant tribal, he still synergizes really well with Jenova but there are way better bombs to reanimate. Also I like fallout, it's the one UB I couldnt resist.
>there are people freaking out about this cardwhy?
>>96729003it says OUTSIDE THE GAMEEEEWISHBOARDS CONFIRMED FOR COMMANDER
>>96729007Yeah but that's a standard card
>>96729007The commander symbol is the shell, not the head. Sorry. This card will not work in commander and I doubt the wish rule will ever change
IN UNIVERSELETS LMAOOOOOOOOHow does it make you feel that your random favorite character probably has fewer cards depicting them than each ninja turtle will have after one set LMAOOOOOOOO
>>96729026I don't have a favorite MTG character because WOTC has never prioritized lore or anything like it. As a company/brand you have to actually do some work and WOTC was lazy.It's their own fault UB is more popular. Why would I care about Jace? Where''s the Jace movie? Jace TV shows? Maybe a Jace themepark ride?Even the fucking turtles have those.
>>96729010>>96729019too bad, a guy I was talking to said this card + lessons in avatar and strixhaven = wishboards in commander confirmed
>>96729026my wife has three cards, and that's more than enough for me
>>96729026p..p..please dont incite the UB haters. If someone calls me a pig Ill never recover
>>96729059you're a pig but that's due to the format you play. UB is irrelevant
>>96728865>Run Blood Moon to stop "wallet decks">Crack fetch finding basic>Wallet deck is now the main form of counterplay to Blood Moon
>>96729060UB is the most cancerous symptom of commanderslop
>>96729068No that would be forcing commander shit into standard and modern sets
>>96729070UB, yes
>>96729071Modern Horizons is my favorite UB set.Dumb fuck. Nadu was designed for commander and killed modern for a time.
>>96728981What am I cutting for mutant turtle slop
>>96729078your wrists
>>96729083Post Jenova list pussy I bet you won't
Would Keening Stone be an alright add to The Emperor of Palamecia? Like if I have him flipped and make myself mill that is.
>>96729083now say it without crying :)
https://moxfield.com/decks/_JWEBzsSrU-6wgCY36U8wAthots?
>>96728098>What is proliferate?OP didn't ask for best cards, just favorites and in an even halfway decent deck with proliferate you're genning 5+ mana for an initial pay in of 3.
>>96728993Yeah I forget that your currency is fucking worthless and can’t be converted close to 1:1
>>9672909210 mana+ is a bit much, just go for something like Jace to mill yourself instead
>>96729007YOU DONT NEED A BOARD FOR WISHESWISHES PULL ANY CARD FROM YOUR COLLECTIONTHE RESTRICTION OF A SIDEBOARD EXISTS ONLY IN TOURNAMENT PLAY>>96729019Lol screencap ping for when you’re wrong.WotC literally wrote into rhe comprehensive rules how wishes WOULD work if the RC hadn’t said wishes arent allowed There is no other example of WotC writing a rule for a hypothetical. Now they have the format, it will happen
>>96729125Cool little deck. If you're not super attached to Brago I would switch out the commander to be Yorion. He's a more reliable blink effect you can just repeat mass blinking with your single target blink effects.Reality Acid is a classic.A few good cards to add would be Soulherder, Ephemirate, and Thassa, Deep dwelling. Maybe Conjurer's Closet, I dont like the high cmc on that one though.
>>96729125What's your wincon other than agent of treachery? Also not enough instant speed interaction
>>96729127You paid mana to proliferate too though, so what is the actual cost? I bet you’re fucking abysmal with budgeting
>>96729131Thanks anon
>>96729132having it be your entiore collection is retarded, nobody wants to have to carry a binder with them each time they play commander
>>96729138>not enough instant speed interactionmanifest means you want as much of your deck as possible to be permanents>What's your wincon value or abdel
>>96729132If you believe that invest in Karns now because that card will spike hard. You might be right though it could happen actually. As long as they restrict it to a 15 card sideboard it would probably be okay
>>96729092oink oink
>>96729136I've played abdel and yorion as commanders, looking to play brago a bit
>>96729140I use a variation of this in brawl and it works pretty well. You can also use some of the more genreric options like mesmeric orb if you wanna go higher budget. If you wanna go really crazy you could even curse yourself with this https://moxfield.com/decks/47tONtewKEyUIhQbjC_cCg
>>96729153too late anon I already built the deck>>96729157Thanks anon, I just thought self milling would be good in him today
>giant October drop>no horror franchisesNo, Iron Maiden and JAWS do not fucking count.
>>96729169it is, but there's better options than keening stone
why are all edh content creators so afraid of combat damage? it feels like theyve never played in pods with creatures that have good statlines and just flood their decks with overly greedy value piles.
>>96729214timmy fears her...
>>96729220You wouldn't like her if you had played her game
Dockside got banned for completely unjust reasons.
I wish they would use devotion more
>>96729214Can't make as much money from a video if someone gets oneshot by some voltron commander than if everyone plays solitaire during their turn
>>96729237yeah but even people who talk about the game itself rather than make gameplay videos are against creatures who turn sideways if they aren't buffing a full board of tokens or killing each opponent in one turn.
This is mld and I'm tired of pretending it's not
I need good equipment that just throws +2 or +3 on Vadrik's power so my spells are cheaper ASAPAstrologian's Planisphere is good, Commander's Plate seems solid too but I'd like some ultra-cheaper stuffI don't need anything like deathtouch or lifelink or any keywords period, I just need +2-+4 on a simple equipment spell so I can quickly and easily reduce mana costsIdeally something with a combined 2-3 mana cost including equip cost
>>96729125Do face down creatures return face up when flickered? And if its a non perma it goes to the card graveyard?
I just found out today, I can't defend Beyond anymore. Fucking Hasbro. They could give us shit like From Beyond Harry Potter, Dark Souls, Monster Hunter wor whatever thats at least a bit like fantasy or magic. Who still gives a shit about the Ninja Turtles?! Hell, not even GenA watches all that new Ninja Turtles crap.I liked Beyond for putting an MTG spin on franchises I like or would get interested in through the precons, like Warhammer. LOTR was also a great (but for me personally, boring) choice. But now, what I defended has become nothing but Hasbro's personal advertising product.
>>96729306Nice try, poopdickschizo
>>96729174>All we get is a Secret Lair.Halloweenbros...it's not fair.
>>96729297Face down permanents will enter face up when blinked. For creatures you know how that works, but a manifested land will be blinked into a land. Non-permanent cards will stay in exile when blinked.
>>96729317I like the art in these
>>96729306Shut up zoom zoom
>>96729306I personally don't think there's anything wrong with the concept of Universes Beyond, but Hasbro has no concept of what genre MtG is so they'll pump anything irrelevant and stupid into it without a second thought. LOTR, FF, 40k, etc were all pretty on-theme and fit the concept. Sonic, Walking Dead, Spiderman, and TMNT are nothing like Magic. Dr. Who only gets a pass from me for the cool monsters, the same way I'd approve of X-Files getting a pair of decks and no set.
>>96729294it's better to just use cheap pump spells with vadrik
>>96729294just give up and use another commander, he's inherently a flawed design. if you wanted to make a deck with the splashier izzet spells you could use the new melek instead, and you wouldn't be handicapping your deck full of cards to improve his power that go against the deck needing to cast instants and sorceries.
has anyone here played the archenemy commander format?
>TMNT is nothing like magic>Dr. Who has cool monsters
>>96729350Pump spells are costly and temporary, and I think it'd be better spending 2 or 3 mana on something permanent that reduces costs by 2 or 3 than a 1 mana +4 Vadrik usually gets +2/+3 just from day/night cycles and he really doesn't need more than +6 in any game Plus more options help
>>96729377Is that the 3v1 with events each turn? If so then yes
>>96729378>>Dr. Who has cool monsters
>>96729397Dinosaurs are Magic. Things like Vashta Nerada and Weeping Angels do wonders for magic conceptually, too. Sadly, they decided to have 15 Doctor Cards and a ton of black people.
>>96729404>Sadly, they decided to have 15 Doctor Cards and a ton of black people.I mean, you kind of have to. There are a lot of black characters in Who. And the Doctor's are the titular characters. I guess they could have just done like 3/4 and 9/10/11 and that would have been ok. But then the thread cutie with his doctor tribal deck couldnt have his yum.
>>96729397This could fit as an MtG card. imagine Dinosaurs from ixalan or some other plane find their way onto an urban plane (like ravnica or fiora).
>>96729385>Is that the 3v1 with events each turn? If so then yesYeah that's the one: https://mtg.wiki/page/Archenemy_(format)Did you use the preconstructed scheme deck? What were your thoughts on it? Like was it balanced, and who won the most?
>dinosaurs are magicfunny that if you told someone that many years ago there is a good chance theyd disagree with you considering the design team themselves considered the creature type so unimportant they just removed it from the game and didnt make a big push for the creature type until fucking 2017.Let's also forget that the first ever expansion for the game was literally just a set based around a fucking real life book.
>>96729413you wouldnt get it
hound sounded way cooler than dog.
Im surprised I havent seen this one in the wild. There are a number of Simic babies and Azorius freaks at my LGS, fortunately they arent smart enough or dont like the art enough to run this
>>96729397>Ikoria or Ixalan Omenpath spits Gishath onto Ravnica/New CapennaBoom. Yes this is perfect for Magic.
>>96729439gorgeous art, doesn't look like magic though.
>>96729425>Did you use the preconstructed scheme deck?Someone brought one. Im not sure if it was preconstructed but it probably was since they didn't seem to have put too much thought into it.It seemed to favor the 3 players significantly. I guess it depends on the deck. I did play a sweaty deck as one of the 3, but it really did feel like an uphill struggle for the 1. Thats only a sample size of 3 games though, which we won.
>>96729139If I'm proliferating after turn 3, I'm paying about 1/6th of a mana per charge at most. You've never played against a bracket 2 or higher proliferate deck, have you?
>>96729439I'd love to use him because Nardol is best companion. But I don't run simic counters+non-creature shit.
>>96729448>>96729422>>96729404yeh thats why I posted it.I think Who did have some cool creatures with interesting abilities.A lot of the set did feel like filler tho. The doctors and companions in particular are a bit bleh for the most part.
>>96729439>Cyborg.>Obese.But...why? I feel like that would just cause a great deal of issues.
>>96729485I don't like universes beyond but if they do it they should reprint stuff as universes within.
>>96729510It seems they will never do it.I think they _should_ reprint some of the cards if they are particularly off-flavor or are high power (Vivi, i.e.)But for some reason1) WotC isnt interested in printing money2) they are too lazy/incompetent to know which UB cards they should shortlist for a UW print
>>96729294Equipment is too costly to work efficiently with vadrik, as other anons said cheap pump spells that cantrip or refund your mana after your 1 discount are best. For more permanent buffs combat tutorial gives you a permanent +1/+1 counter and cantrips, clout of the oversoul gives vadrik shroud and buffs him as much as he really needs to win. Seething anger and haze of rage have buyback and can be part of your wincons. Truth be told though people who dont already know about him will play vs him once and target you every game like you're playing ral or vivi, but vadrik dosent have the speed of ral or the potency and resilience of vivi. >t. Played vadrik for 2 years until I switched to ral and never looked back
>>96728685>>96728688Okay, now I am interested
If one of the non-UB sets was literally just a reskin of multiple different popular UB cards under some new MTG theming, I wouldnt even be mad.> Reality FractureHMMMM
>>96729397>>96729485>find Doctor Who obnoxious and corny>despise the UB frame>tons of good, useful, or fun designs in the set>full of support for suspend of all things>suspend is one of my favorite mechanics because when played as intended it feels like being a mastermind fiddling with the timers on bombs or cheating the mana curveI hate my life
>>96729555I feel a lot of people wouldn't be mad. The staunch anti-UB would finally be able to use certain cards.
>>96729561kek. I know they should make a Jhoira bit for 9/10/11 and some of the other who stuff. It would be kino. I feel like the card designers definitely shot their load with some of the Who cards and have since ran out of design space ideas.
>>96729379vadrik usually wins once he gets any buff either way
>>96729378The craziest monster in that set is this smug asshole right here - he's a crazy underrated voltron commander, you draw into protection for him and people will just take his damage because they want to draw cards and never deal with him (or have the ability to) until its too late.
>>96729636>underratedhe isnt underrated. everybody I know who build him disassembled the list fairly quickly because nobody wanted to play against him or he gets hated out of the game.
>>96729428They also sort of alluded to a big block full of dinosaurs throughout the years, dinosaur skulls were swimming around in the mimeoplasm's gooey gut in 2011 and they hinted to muraganda a bunch of times through the petroglyphs showing up on cards like professor ruka, only to completely kill all of the hype for the totally primal vanilla based plane by making it a pit stop in the worst magic set in modern history. I'm actually still seething about that.
>>96729636>>96729651Real? Ive never seen anyone run this. If anything, his ability is semi group hug but I can see it being powerful. Most retards wouldnt understand why the card draw is relevant and good player are probably going to run high power enough to not be phased by this
>>96729651Their decks probably sucked, anyone who tries to hate me off the table dies first.
>>96729672yes and the other two guys will beat you up afterwards. the decade old problem of voltron.then you have two guys watching the last two players 1v1 for another 30 min. real fun.
>>96729682nah it's green white, there's a ton of lifelink and I run a few fog effects. You draw so many fucking cards that you will always have an answer ready. just gotta make sure you one shot the combo decks, hit them last
>>96729693yes, then you win on turn 4 and nobody wants to play against the deck again. if you #nofriends into your lgs the deck is fine but if you want to be part of a group the deck wont last.and its certainly not underrated
>>96729672>>96729669Voltron decks, not counting slicer and alexios, suck dick and are almost exclusively played by shitters.
>>96729706Im aware it's not the optimal strategy in multiplayer but it's fun to me. unless its boros, boros is always awful
>>96729728>Im aware it's not the optimal strategy in multiplayer but it's fun to me.Perfectly valid reason
>>96729706>>96729728IDK my friend has a Rokrakh / Archaeologist deck and its kind of scary.
>>96729751Wasn't that a cedh list a really long time ago? I don't think it holds up at that power level anymore and probably struggles in high power
>>96729810Im not sure about cEDH. Its definitely a vandalblast away from being in an awful position a lot of the time. Rograkh being super low cmc and haste means he returns quickly.I usually play 3 player with that group so voltron is better. And Rograkh aint even his best deck, that's Flubs. But ya Rograkh can definitely run away with a win quickly without the right answers
Has anyone ran human tribal?I assume Joiner of Forces would be the best 'human' tribal? But some walking dead cards had it right?P sure human is by far the most common creature type. Roaming throne etc. If someone told me they built human tribal id assume its pushed af
>>96729856Jodah the unifier is the king for human tribal. Get the spongebob version!!
>>96729856Yeah the best human tribal commander is winota, if you want pure human tribal it's rick/greymond
Does Sundial of the Infinite work in a Zidane deck where I'm stealing my opponent's shit? Also, any good recs for Zidane are welcome
>>96729856Saskia the unyielding is really good too. not a ton of good blue humans. with the 4 other colors you have so many options open to you
What's considered a good price for something like this? I've been waiting for a sale under $40, but it seems to just keep going up
>>96729927Like five bucks. Proxy it if you want it.
>>96729927Like 35
>the guy who gets angry because you play edict every turn
>>96727866>TQDoes this count?
>>96728711What's it like being blind?
/edhg/2RRRWorld EnchantmentWhenever a creature enters, suspect it. Whenever a suspected creature leaves the battlefield, draw a card and suspect a target creature.
>>96729856I've got a Trynn/Silvar deck that's more feeding humans to the cat rather than celebrating them.
>>96729636>underrated>very much bought to everyones attention by MTGGoldfish>even the Prof played the Goldfishers budged list on his show>underrated>obscure even
About to go take 1 hour and a half of bus ride to play edh
>>96730358GL anon, I hope you get a Sol Ring in at least one of your starting hands.
>>96729294>2 mana to play>2 to equip>for 2 powerAlternatively just cast 1 1 mana red spell and get a better effect.
>>96729428>zoomzoom just says things that have no relevanceClassic.
>>96729439>smart enoighMhm its very tough to tap a mana dork and cast spells, even with the easiest restriction ever.
>>96729706People who say this likely got their opinions from this thread and dont actually play the game.
TQ
>>96730336No one said obscure. Prof playing it doesnt preclude it from being underrated. You may be one of the dumbest people in the thread today congratulations.
>>96729751>partner commander>backgroundwut
>>96730482>biggest mtgtoober playing and endorsing it>has two super relevant voltron keywords on it just for free>draws trillions of cards combined in all games going on around the globe this very minute>2 regulars in my LGS, one player in my pod runs him>underrated you dont even understand what an exaggaration is, and you call other people dumb like the projecting low IQ lowlife that you are
>>96730507Anon what does underrated mean? You seem to be conflating it with unknown. Im not sure why. Something needs to have a certain level of prestige (needs to be known) in order to be regarded under or over rated to begin with
>>96729428Kavu and onslaught beasts are just dinosaurs
>>96730478The fact this and jeweled lotus are banned is pure bullshit.
>>96730549>the fact that some of the most broken fast mana in the game is banned is pure bullshitnext you'll tell me the OG moxes are okay.
>>96730549Jew lotus holding at around 30 bucks is funny. Clearly the cattle are hedging on it getting unbanned.
>>96730557>next you'll tell me the OG moxes are okay.they would be okay as game changers unironically
>>96728288>AI proxy deckLiterally what
>>96730569Game changers are a retarded classification and if you think that the OG Moxes are on the same tier as something as shitty as Drannith, you're a retard.
>>96728479LITERAL
>>96730593He probably means those fucking nasty proxy decks where every card is just bad AI art.
I've discovered the opening that elicits the most salt as of right now.>Commander: Najeela (Spider-Man printing)>Turn 1 Mountain (currently using web lands, but pizza lands are looking promising for the future), Ragavan>Turn 2 Command Tower (currently using Oscorp printing), Spider-Punk, swing with Ragavan (give the worst excuse possible on why you chose to swing at someone for best results)>Turn 3 Relic of Legends (attacking with Ragavan optional, but if you do, make sure to attack the same player), tap full board for RRR, cast Birgi, tap Birgi for W, do the Web-Slinging infinite combo for infinite R>Cast Najeela>Cast Etali, Primal Conquerer, land on Apex Devastator. Take whatever cards are appropriate from your opponents>Cascade into Void Winnower, Sire of Stagnation, Derevi, and Jin-Gitaxis Progress Tyrant (yes, it doesn't work with Spider-Punk on the field, but the momentary frustration before they realize this exceeds any other target, I've tested)>Assuming your opponents do not scoop to this for some inconceivable reason, your turn 4 is the Najeela/Derevi infiniteIn my experience this deck has a 100% chance of getting into games (nobody sees the commander and asks you to not play it, despite it being Najeela) and a 92% chance of being asked to not play it again. This 92% figure is the highest rate out of any opening I've tested. I suspect it's because it hits all the pressure points for the average player.>Early infinite combo>Angleshooting the 2-card combo rule with a 3-card combo>Early targeting one player>Stax piece that turns off counterplay>UB cards>Bad UB cards>Eldrazi>Praetors>Common staples>Known problematic commander>Finishes with well-known infinite combo
>>96730651Forgot "theft", "mana cheat", and "free spells" on the list
>>96727993That…. Is something I never considered.Anon you are a genius, this is going to wreck my pod
>>96730675Anon by the time it's live you're already winning in most cases. If your intent is to exploit tables that don't run artifact removal, there's better removal checks that win the game if you let them sit there.
>>96730686>hit swing a bunch of little guys>hit multiple players>can theoretically kill everyone in a single turn
>>96728675That’s the point of UB. That’s why it is never going away.
>>96730686it's exceedingly simple for some decks to get ten dudes through
>>96730717The period of time between 10 dudes connecting with face and winning the game is very small unless the deck is built exceptionally poorly.
>>96729283Savala for colorless? Boring sure, but mid?
>>96730730mLd, not mid
>TMNT's Partner keyword is Character Select2027 full Street Fighter set guest starring the turtles confirmed.
>>96730686It’s not about the win con, it’s about forcing the engine pieces to block. A lot of my pod places engine creature value decks.
why does mono colour always feel so incredibly on rails to me? i feel like there is one thing to do the best you can while rarely having plan b options to fall back to.so far, ive tried/had>Zada, Hedron Grinder >Rionya, Fire Dancer >Khârn the Betrayer >Ashnod, Flesh Mechanist >Gandalf the White>Titania, Protector of Argoth >Aragorn, the Uniter Mono U spellslingeronly ones that are still put together are Khârn because he is genuinely fun, and Aragorn for meme reasons.Any Mono Black recommendation that allow for flexible builds?
>>96730740I’m retarded, sorry.
>>96730752All mono colored decks can be flexible if you find the “mono colored good stuff” commander.So for black, you want kirrik yawgmoths son
>>96728993
>at LGS playing with some randoms>somehow managed to get first sliver in without getting nuked>mfw helm of the host and lightning greaves>mfw cascade to the end of time>mfw my board state becomes an instant death machine
>board stateHate this phrase, reeks of reddit.
>>96730890>stop using terminology that applies easily to the gameAre you retarded or are you so brain-poisoned that anything you don't say is reddit?
>>96730549kek get FUCKED
>>96730890so what is it?
Speaking of Slivers, are there any wacky builds you can do with Gravemother? I've barely used her. I was thinking of something like>get a sac ability (basal sliver)>sac something like Legion or Spiteful Sliver (or both)>immediately encore>every sliver now gets a +3/3 per sliver and/or every sliver does triple the damage it received to target player(s)
>>96728288First time visiting America?
"Standard rotation magically fixes everything. Please ignore every poorly-balanced Standard set ever printed."Saved you from watchi g the video.
>>96728288This is precisely why I double sleeve and forbid people from touching my cards.
>>96731037He's probably right, though (I have not watched his video)Of course there are other ways to fuck up design, but power creep is only one of them and a relatively short standard rotation does a lot to mitigate it. It's one of the (many) problems caused by wizards designing for commander.
>>96731037Buy an ad
>Women can code too, chuds!
>>96731057This is literally a gaslight fed to you by WotC because it was a way for them to systematically force players to regularly buy new cards. If this claim was true we wouldn't have undergone literally 30 straight years of creatures getting better over time (it's just most noticeable in the post-2018 window when set production ramped up hard). He uses YGO as an example of how cards always need to get better yet that's fundamentally untrue given the enormous amount of cards that have yet to even come close to being powercrept (Magical Scientist, Painful Choice, etc.)Even if you make the argument "well creatures were shit in ABU so of course they got powercrept to keep up", Doom Blade powercrept Terror back in 2010 and it remained the standard for 6 years. There is always incentive for powercreep even if you only have 2 sets in rotation at any given time because if set 2 is better than set 1 it creates incentive to buy.
>adorkable duoThis is the reddit quirk chungus set that even reddit will reject
>>96731118>Any chance of interesting card design thrown out because you can just choose one modeMan these dumbasses really are afraid of challenging Commander players by testing their critical thinking skills in any capacity. It's the same shit where every build-around legendary needs to be setup and payoff at the same time.
>>96729706Objectively wrong
>>96731087rent free
>>96731118>that even reddit will rejectHow's that hopium tasting?
>>96731148They rejected Spider-Man capeslop, they will reject this dead boomer IP harder
>>96731087not to be that guy but you are officially getting spidow-man'd>>96731097>If this claim was true we wouldn't have undergone literally 30 straight years of creatures getting better over time (it's just most noticeable in the post-2018 window when set production ramped up hard).you say that and you're not wrong but there was also reverse power creep (is there a word for that?) for non creature spells between the 90s and 2010. Just compare something as simple as Lightning Helix from 2005 to Warleader's Helix from 2013 which saw huge amounts of play and was in a world champ standard deck.I don't think standard decks from different eras could have held up against each other pretty reasonably. Until recently lol -- Lightning Helix for instance is standard legal along with lots and lots of creatures that are a lot more powerful than anything we had in the RTR era
>>96731148seventy dollarydoos for a precon will probably hurt it
>>96729636>the best Selesnya commander is the one with Haste in non-red colorsNot complaining, but God damn do I wish more Selesnya commanders had mechanics from literally any other color bleed into it. The Sarge spoils me with how good he is.
>>96731087>>96731118Please tell me there's an alt art of April with her original design.
>>96731118>another archaeomancer effect >poo poo artNo...
>>96731216the OG artist is doing some prints of cards so you'll get her og design for sure
>>96731097>This is literally a gaslight fed to you by WotC because it was a way for them to systematically force players to regularly buy new cardsIt may be a part of their profit model, but that doesn't make it a lie.And I said mitigate, not stop. Which it does. Think about how much harder it is for a new card to be a breakout hit in formats like vintage than it is in standard- it's simple fact that the more cards a format has in it, the more powerful each new individual card must be in order to have a significant impact on its meta. Power creep in the sense of "strictly better version of card that already exists" is only one aspect of power creep's totality; it is also how powerful new cards overall have to be to be desirable for their effects. Standard rotation does a lot to mitigate this because a new set doesn't have to compete with all cards from all of history, just the ones currently in rotation. Which means that stuff can be printed in view of what's soon to rotate- think about pinnacle starcage being brought in to replace temporary lockdown. >>96731118>archaeomancer that can draw cards and return artifacts as wellThis shit is going to be everywhere for fucks sake
>>96731118>"Surely this is the slop floor that pigs will reject" says man nervously for the 6th time in 4 months about latest MTG release
>>96731266They already rejected Spooderman though
>>96731254>80s permanent == nigga April Is though being a boomer and seeimg lefties zoomies trying to rewrite history
>>96731284Rejected it so hard the next 3 years will be dominant UB releases regardless, the serialized infinity stones will sell boxes if the sets were worse than spiderman
>>96731309YEAH CHUD, THE INVESTORS WILL BE OK, YOU'RE SO WRONG
>>96731288Anon I'm being 100% serious that her OG design will be used most likely because we saw a Leo card designed by the og artist. The 80's most likely won't but with the multiverse aspect to the cards it's a possibility
>>96731256>5 mana Archaeomancer when most of its uses are already superceded at 2 mana unless you're exactly in a blink deckNah I don't think so chief.Not buying all those words about rotation either. Fatal Push was the big boogeyman of why creatures had to be insanely pushed then lo and behold Heartfire Hero is the best 1-drop in 2 formats yet it was printed into a rotation with no Fatal Push.
>>96731189Same MSRP as FF
>>96731342actually now that I think about it the 80's version will most likely be a secret lair
>>96731348yeah but Final Fantasy has a much bigger fanbase than fuckin TMNT
>>96731347blink is a pretty popular archetype, anon. And there's a few other decks which are big on archaeomancer like Eluge and Orvar.>Not buying all those words about rotation either.I mean idk what you want from me I gave you an example of it happening. Assuming you're White, you should be capable enough of abstract thinking to understand that a thing not happening 100% of the time doesn't mean it isn't happening or does not exist as part of a larger trend.
>>96731309So the answer to saving Magic is turning the piggies into bacon.
>>96731137Amen. I've been trying to articulate this for a while and I think you hit the nail on the head.
>>96731254He's only doing four cards for the set's 'headliners' so there's probably just one of each turtle. The bonus sheet might have some April in it though who knows.
>>96728636PLEASE WOTC STOP MAKING MORE ARTIFACT TOKENS
>>96731309The serialised infinity stones they're not doing?
>>96731561there's almost certainly going to be a serialized Infinity Gauntlet, at the very least. Maybe they try to pull a One Ring again and make a 001/001 version.
>>96731144GREEN QUEEN!
>>96728636someone explain why splinter makes mutagen? wasn't it some alien ooze that made him what he is and it's not like he gets roided out when one of his turtles go missing either
>>96728962if you're bad and don't know how to pay attention to your pips during deckbuilding. you're in an eternal format, figure it out retard.
>>96729061You can’t crack a fetch under Blood Moon, retard. It’s not a fetch it’s a basic mountain it does nothing other than tap for red
>>96731621Shut up
>>96731631make card make sense, MaNo
>>96731621The cards can't all be flavour wins and they had to make mono-Black Splinter work mechanically, for some reason.Also Splinter's got a variety of origins, sometimes he's Hamato Yoshi who got mutated into a rat-man, sometimes he's Hamato Yoshi's pet that got mutated by the ooze that the turtles did as well.
>>96731144>doesn't suck dick just give up
>EDHG: Seething boomoid cuckolds general
TRVTH NVKEThe entire reason for hat sets was just to lay the foundation for UB. They made hat sets just so movie and pop culture concepts would be established in Magic so they could then make UB for actual movies and tv
>>96729267Because commander is a game about showing off cool interactions and Rube Goldberg value machines and there's no point in pretending otherwise.
>>96731661i think they made hat sets because they were bored and lazy and didnt want to figure out how to cram quality into a short deadline
>>96728325Blood Moon doesn't affect you if you don't have a greedy manabass. WUBRG commanders should be Bracket 4 anyway
>>96729214because combat damage actually just sucks. like it's an objectively terrible gameplan when you have to chisel out either 63/120 HP.
>>96728288Where exactly? Im thankful the half dozen or stores ive been to are actually really chill.
>>96728288>>96731053you have to be so autistic to care about other people touching your sleeves. dont play the game if you dont like your cards moving around, keep them framed on your wall with your funkopop collection.
>>96731657this isn't even an abbreviation of EDH, you brainwormed shit sucking lobotomite
>>96731727t.cheetofingers + doesn't wash hands after wiping
>see a short about "how wishes work in commander">concludes that they don't>comments are a mix of people smugly saying there is no sideboard, and people speculating that WotC might add a sideboardYOUDONTNEEDA SIDEBOARDFOR WISHESWILL SOMEONEREADTHE FUCKING RULES?
>>96731785>reading the card explains the card>except for a billion different little tidbits in the gay nerd rulesThis is why I still th8nk there shouldn't be any rules or rulings. You should just go purely by what's printed on the cards and nothing more.
>>96731661good thinking, slowpoke. next you'll come up with the fact that they are going to end the mtg movie with opening the omenpaths and someone saying>we need to go universes beyond..
>>96731785commander is on the side of mtg that combines the autistic, with the retarded and gays.you are correct and anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.wishes work because the rules are explicit on how they work AND rule 0 existsrule 0 takes precedent over all other rules because this gay mode is for the casual faggots who eat slop UBso wishes work and you can run all 4 turtles as commander as long as its agreed prior to play
>>96731840No card says "pull a card from your sideboard"In fact actually, they say to go get a card you own from outside of the game, which IS exactly how they fucking work. Any card that you own, that is not in a game zone, field, library, grave, command zone, exile etc etc etcPeople have completely invented the requirement of a sideboard because they're mouthbreathing retards
>>96731037Buy an ad or I’m reporting all your videos. How does it feel to have a child predator write your content?
>>96729865Sure does. Sundial is amazing in the right deck
>>96731057most cards that break standard suck in commander and were designed with limited in mind.
>>96731896We shit on trinkettard here, sir
>>96731908>Nadu>Vivi>Companions
>>96731872That's exactly my point, and I'm agreeing with you. If a card says "put as many cards from outside the game into play", you can bet your ass I'm dumping my entire binder onto the table.
>>96731911there's no world where being flooded is worse than screwed when you have a castable always available as your 8th card. >"hmm would i rather do nothing for a turn because of screw or gain 1 mana resource a turn because of flood??"
>>96731919Nadu was made for Modern, Vivi is an outlier and Companions didn't really break Commander that much.
>>96731919oh so we werent complaining about commander power creeping standard until...last year?
>>96731924Well they're not going to print that for that reason.But I expect they will explore the design space of wishes more. I think wishes will be restricted to higher brackets because they become autoincludes in literally every deck, but they will declare them legal because only the RC ever said they weren't.
>>96731929If you are screwed but have an ability or spells that draw you cards, you can dig your way out of being screwedIf you're flooded, you can't. You go to draw a card, oh another land. You haven't drawn into anything that draws you more cards and you just fucking sit there doing nothing for multiple turns
>>96731872People equate wishboard to the sideboard because that's just how they work in actual gameplay. The "any card you own outside of the game" thing is limited by the cards outside of your deck you're allowed to carry with you in a tournament setting which is a 15 card sideboard. That's where the wishboard=sideboard confusion comes from mainly.
>>96731941>If you are screwed but have an ability or spells that draw you cards, you can dig your way out of being screwedHow were you screwed if you had the mana to cast it or use the ability. If you are flooded but have a way to draw cards how are you not able to dig for something that's not a land.
>>96731946Yes, as I stated, the confusion comes from not reading the fucking rules.
>>96731948If you have a fucking 1 lander, you are absolutely mana screwed, you can still cast Opt
>>96731908I'm not even really talking about standard, which I haven't played in ages anyway. Power creep is worse for commander because >eternal format. It's no secret to anyone how many old popular commanders have been pretty much crept out of the format entirely.And I'm also talking about the absolute stinkers printed specifically for commander e.g. jewelled lotus, dockside extortionist.
>>96731957If you run a low land count the chances opt finds you your next land are lower.
>>96731961I can't believe it's been a whole year without a JewLo replacement>0>Legendary Artifact>{T}, sacrfice: Add 3 mana of any one color. Spend this mana only to cast a nongreen commander of mana value 6 or greaterFixed
>>96731961>It's no secret to anyone how many old popular commanders have been pretty much crept out of the format entirely.good commander decks barely even care about their commander unless its absolutely turbo 2 mana drops like magda or kinnan
>>9673197436-38 lands are already more than 1/3 of your deck.By the mere fact of being mana screwed you have only nonlands in hand, slightly affecting the odds alsoCast a Brainstorm and look at the top 3 for one mana. Problem solved.The 40-42 number is just completely ignoring the multitude of ways there are to find lands if you have spells. If you don't have spells, you can't find anything. Mana flooded is much worse than manascrewed because there is objectively less you can do about the situation
>>96732000>If you don't have spellswym it's commander you literally always have a spell
>screw isn't bad if i just have the most efficient cantrips in the game in my hand!
>>96730890>>board state>Hate this phrase, reeks of reddit.Is reddit in the room with us right now?
>>96732027>I just keep hands at random!>I don’t give a single thought to what my early game plays will be!
>>96732081yeah just like people running 40 lands mull 7 land hands retard
If you run a deck with 36 lands, its a bracket 2 deck
>>96732084Being mana flooded isn’t about what’s in your hand it’s about what’s in your deck.>keep normal hand>next 5 draws are land>get fucked retard, you don’t get to play the game>keep low land hand>not drawing into ones first couple turns>cast draw spells>very likely to hit lands or spells that will help you find landsEven if you’re on low mana, spells can still advance your board state and help you find lands. A land isn’t going to help you find spells, it’s just a land.
>>96732118How are you mana screwed if you have the mana to do things.
>>96732139>manascrewed means you kept a 0 land hand
>>96732143>"screw doesnt suck if i just have ragavan, esper sentinel, or remora in hand!"you people dont even build decks you just copy and paste.
>>96732159What the fuck even is your argument right now>noooooo draw spells are to heckin good!!!!Yeah no shit, that’s why you don’t need to be running 42 fucking lands. I’m almost all circumstances you will open with a hand that has the draw power to find you more lands. If you put a retarded number of lands in your deck, you will just flood yourself and your deck will stall.
>>96732171some of us play magic and some of us play a list of staples assembled by someone else. your experience with the game is extremely narrow and you probably couldn't build a functional deck for less than 200 dollars in card value.
>>96732118Its not possible to reason with landcucks.Its about feefees with them.If they miss a land drop or have to mulligan to 6 they have a mental block about it.If they played a real format theyd understand.
>>96732257>Anon, I am forced to concede as you are completely right that there are many powerful 2 or less draw spells that could easily dig you out of being mana screwed. I have no alternative but to seethe about how good card draw is and claim a moral victory by declaring that I don’t use those cards
>>96732347If you think a card that lets you see one or two cards is consistent enough dig to justify keeping a one land hand I'd love farming wins from you anon. Otherwise, there actually aren't that many 1 drop draws that give you enough dig, the ones that do are well known cedh staples with matching price tags. I can build functional decks without those cards, I just think you're worse at the game for leaning on an obvious crutch. And I don't think you should make any statements on how decks should be built because you clearly don't actually build yours.
>>96727866>Favorite rock that's not Sol Ring/Signet?Idk I like it.
>>96732411>justify keeping a one land handno one said thiswe accept your concession
>>96732434I'd like it better if it cost 2 mana instead of 3 but had entering tapped as a downside.
>>96727866does a commander that taps for mana count as a mana rock?
>TQI started playing when the Mirage edition came outfirst turn Sol Ring > Moss Diamond
>>96732531is it an artifact?
>>96731118>adorkable >doesn't tap for manaIt might have been kinda clever if it did, but as is it's pretty cringe
>>96729003the art for Michael coulda been changed and the card coulda hit a lot harder
>>96727866>finally get over a 2 month mystery illness and can go play commander in person for the first time ever>everybody has hit the boiling point with UB slop and are turning on the gameAlso all-fates scroll has great art.
>>96729125i like to have a little more flicker recursion .but all in all your deck is welcomed at my table
>every deck I own has anywhere from 31 lands to 21 lands, averaging about 27 lands>almost never get mana screwed, ral deck that has 21 lands regularly takes off for a win by t2Drop your curve, add non land mana sources, and play more draw and you won't get mana screwed or flooded you goddamn shitters. You shouldn't be running more than 35 lands if you aren't playing land matter
>>96732531No thats a mana dork.
>>96732118>A land isn’t going to help you find spells, it’s just a land.Unless of course it's one of the many lands with cycling, or the ones with direct repeatable draw like War Room or picrel, or graveyard recursion like Academy Ruins, or mdfcs which are spells either way and may also come with draw spells (e.g., Valakut Awakening)You know there's more to building a good mana base than just vomiting every shock and fetch into your archidekt, right?
>>96732838Me and my pod already dreaded the Marvel shit i when it was first announced, it just hits even harder when the anticipation comes into fruition with the first spoilers and actual release. I still find it absolutely hilarious how bad spiderman shit the bed in all these beautiful ways
>>96732620sometimes
PIZZA AND SCHMEAR XDDD
>>96732808They're referencing Last Ronin elsewhere in the set.
My friend gave me a spare Purphoros he had as a gift. I now feel obligated to make a Krenko deck. Do I just go to edhrec and slop out an order for the top listed stuff, or is there a better way to go about it?
>>96732950probably better known as saffron olive
>>96732849you obviously are unable to properly shuffle your deck, stoopid
>>96732849>playing any less than 36-38 landsNice try, but you're not going to fool me into mana screwing myself.
I need to make decks that don't take an hour to resolve each turn
>>96732975Krenko? No. All Krenko decks are the same.
>>96732998>>96733010>t. mana screwed or flooded every other game
>people who complain about EDHREC do not understand that there is a fundamentally "best" way to build a deck in card games
>>96733090The trouble is that a lot of people who don't understand that use edhrec. They don't know WHY a certain card is top for a deck unless the synergy is blindingly obvious, they don't know the combos and the little tricks that you intuitively understand when you build the deck yourself. And that shows up in their play as slowness and indecisionThat said EDHrec is still a great site and I use it all the time, it's just that it has the same flaws as netdecking when used by lazy retards.
>tfw when you get a real copy of the card you made an anime proxy for
>>96733133I just put the real copy behind the anime one
>>96733133put the real copy in your deck and swap it for the anime copy when you play the card
>>96733118To be fair, a lot of the upgrades edhrec gives are literally "hey it's that piece the precon sorely needed" or "it's a card that does everything literally better than the one the precon came with." When you're building from scratch, it's a totally different story though.
>>96727993Yeah so uh is there a way to make *all* your creatures unblockable? I have a real cheesy idea for a deck where I make 10 unblockable dudes for each opponent, swing all at once, and everyone loses
>>96733026If you find a way let me know. Once the enchantment engine gets going I'll have 10+ sagas out and turns get real annoying real fast
>>96733090I only complain because people use it as a crutch. They don't learn HOW to build decks, they just netdeck the most meta/powerful shit and proxy all the $20-$50 cards on the list without understanding how all the cards mix in and work together. Then I have to sit through 15 minute turns while they read every fucking card in their hand over and over while scanning the table to find out the most optimal play
>>96733298The way to build the best decks is to find the best cards and drop em in thereYou think there is some inherent purity in doing everything from scratch and being unique, but there just isn't>>96733298>I have to sit through 15 minute turns while they read every fucking card in their hand over and over while scanning the table to find out the most optimal playThis doesn't happen
>>96733305>This doesn't happenThis is literally one of the biggest stereotypes of players next to smelling bad and being fat. You have to be legitimately retarded to think it never happens.
>>96731657>>EDHG: Seething boomoid cuckolds generalmore like schizo autist troll general
>>96733287Slivers can do that easily.
>>96733290she cute
>>96733298>scanning the table to find out the most optimal playThat's me because I don't take the time to memorize 20,000 different cards like your fat ass. Heaven forbid you chat and have fun with people while someone thinks about their next move.
>>96733287Why pick cheese when you can just hit people with pure undiluted sovl?
>>96733341forgot the damn pic
>>96733341Because I have like 60 or so decks across commander/regular Magic and I'm at the point where I only wanna build fun/dumb things
>>96733305>You think there is some inherent purity in doing everything from scratch and being unique, but there just isn'tThere is, though.In the first place, you're not trying to build the "best" deck in edh unless you're playing cedh. Engaging with the format at any level less than that means inherently making poor mechanical choices in favour of cards and archetypes that appeal to you personally. It is what defines the format more than any other single aspect, and is (as far as I'm concerned) what makes deckbuilding for it more fun than for other formats.>>96733287https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Acreatures+o%3A%22can%27t+be+blocked%22&unique=cards&as=grid&order=edhrecAnd yes as the other anon said slivers can do this pretty easily. Shadow Sliver springs immediately to mind.
>>96733349>3 mana>need vanillaYou are small time
>>96732885>I still find it absolutely hilarious how bad spiderman shit the bed in all these beautiful waysActually thats not true! Internal sales number show Spiderman hitting the goal.
>>96733355>In the first place, you're not trying to build the "best" deck in edh unless you're playing cedhWhy not? I might not be trying to build the best deck in all of Commander, but I am trying to build the best [insert commander here] deck that I can
>>96733362>commander that does nothinghalf the blue weenies this card would effect already have "can't be blocked"
Is there a good tool for designing tokens? I cant be asked to mull through my collection for them or buy them, so I wanna print out some silly ones
>>96733380mtgprint.net, type in the token and generate a page of them. There's tons of websites that allow you to create custom cards from scratch with whatever image you want
UW version of this when..?
>>96733382Neat. Cant wait to have classic art on my soldier tokens
>>96733372>Why not?Because for most commanders the "best deck" is a cedh deck. Even if they're not cedh heavyweights, it's a rather different design philosophy generally. Even something like Nezuhal, which is by no means a good cedh commander, can be built in that way. Of course you want to build the best deck you can within whatever arbitrary limits you've defined for yourself (and less arbitrary limits like matching pod powerlevel or brackets) but it's totally different to the way you optimise in a genuinely competitive format. There's room for silly cards and stuff that's not technically the best choice but still appeals to you over the alternative for personal reasons.
>>96733393?
>>96733410I mean its a good card, but 4 CMC with double strike and treasure generation and haste is nutty
Trying to overly optimize your edh deck is cringe. Play the silly cards you find fun. Enjoy casting that 6 mana do nothing card that fills your heart with joy when you see it. Play decks without a instant "i win" combo and have a good time with your friends.
>>96733414Yeah honestly I only focused on the bottom part of Knuckles because the rest is just more of the same
>>96733401>Because for most commanders the "best deck" is a cedh deck.Laughably untrue
>>96733438It's absolutely true. For bad commanders you'd generally be better off powerlevel wise just ignoring the commander entirely and building a generic cedh pile in whatever its colours are.I mean shit nigger you just posted a commander that can run thoracle consultation, you really think building on-theme will win faster than that?
>>96733372>>96733401>>96733421Feels like there's a linguistic issue here. If you say your deck is "good" or "your best", it COULD mean strongest, sure. But it could also be saying the deck is polished, consistent, nuanced, or otherwise has a lot of thought and care put into it. A deck with a bunch of $30 tutors and a couple of instant win 2card infinites might be your "strongest" deck in terms of sheer power level, but if it folds to one or two pieces of interaction is it really "better" than the bracket 2 simic pile that can eat a wrath and stand back up without a second thought?You're kinda talking past each other I think
Okay I'm giving up Vadrik and picking up Mizzix instead, and both Meleks too since they seem funI'm just all about casting fun spells, I don't really care for creature combat. What are some other fun win conditions for spellcasters outside of Crackle with Power? I can generate shit tons of mana with this deck.
So are there going to be any more cards revealed for the Avatar set or is that it? She doesn't have a card yet...
>>96733488a wee bit of storm as a treat
>>96733489There has to be more cards. It would be very surprising if there isn't. I don't think we have a Roku yet either and he was the big guide Aang had for a lot of the show. Azula herself should also get something.
>>96733489Their "reveal" schedule is completely fucked. >spoil everything for a set 2 sets away no one cares about after the last UB tanked>not showing the current upcoming set>not showing the much more interesting Lorwyn setNext we're gonna get Star Trek spoilers where Picard is black.
>>96733489They only did the sneak peak. Come back in a like 2 weeks
edhrec is garbage for the sole reason that the dark theme doesn't actually stay applied
>>96733523????? it's never not the dark theme for me? Your browser sounds fucked
>>96733477>is a deck that can win on turn 3 but might be slightly worse off than a simic value pile if your opponents have up interaction to stop you multiple times and you have no protection for your own spells really "the best"?Yes anon, yes it is. And this is explicitly a conversation about the powerlevel of decks and the validity of deckbuilding explicitly and only for powerlevel. My whole point is that building sub-cedh inherently means that you're not optimising for powerlevel - that you're already putting some arbitrary restrictions on your deckbuilding for fun.As an aside, I have no idea why you think a cedh-level 99 wouldn't be consistent. The whole reason these decks run shitloads of tutors is to make them much more consistent than normal edh decks are.
>>96733438I'm not gay but he sexy
Is this combo too annoying to use?
>>96733489Don't worry Azula anon, she's 100% getting a card because she's literally on the box art and she'll most likely be monstrously OP because that's how these reveals have been going>FF set>sneak peak is the beginner deck Cloud and Sephiroth which suck complete ass>reveal the entire set>multiple Cloud/Sephiroth cards all ranging from good to bonkers broken My only question is what her colors will be aside from Rakdos
>>96733565>both return at the end stepNot annoying at all, it's once per turn
>>96733546Putting thoracle-consultation in your deck does not make it cedh level is the thing
>>96733506>Picard is black with an afroFucking do it JOTC.
>>96733579Monoblack book 2/black sun azulaRakdos sozin's comet azula with her hair down
>>96733598>>96733579Part of me wants her to have blue as well
>>96733506No Patrick Stewart has already bent the knee to progressives due to the Picard show. They'll make either Data or Spock black
>>96733547The one on the left or the right?
>>96733633>due to the Picard show.This poster has never watched a single episode of Star Trek and has no knowledge of it other than /tv/ Ferengi memes and whatever his favorite youtuber told him to be mad about
>>96733506>Next we're gonna get Star Trek spoilers where Picard is black.>"wagwarn me bombaclart, get man curry goat rice and pea, hot"
>>96733645Last season of Picard is ok/good. First season has them go back in time to Earth and its literally a "Trump America BAD" allegory
>>96733653Rather it be Indian Picard>computer, set coordinates to the gurls, we must meet the gurls
>>96733666As you will it satan>number one, do not redeem
>>96733655I refuse to believe this
>>96733674Which part?
>>96733674Specifically that the last season is good/ok considering the dialogue in the other seasons
>>96733671>>96733666>computer, pull up definition of vagen>Vagina, the female reproductive organ>very nice...
>>96733686Completely different writers, completely different plot
>Computer: bobs, sexy gerl, hot
>>96733686It's salvageable because someone on the staff realize the first 2 seasons are a steaming dumpster fire but it's still nostalgia bait series sequel. I checked out when Picard visits Riker and Troy >living in regular ass cabin in the woods>Riker: Shields up>starship shields go up over house and windows
I'm baking new, fuck it
>>96733800>>96733800>>96733800
>>96733581Unfortunately that's not quite how it works. What happens is Yorion and the rest of your board (assuming you just exile everything) flip flop every turn.So on turn A you exile everything with only Yorion remaining on the board. At the end of turn Prince returns, exiling Yorion.On turn B you have everything except Yorion, at the end of the turn Yorion returns exiling everything.On turn C you have Yorion and nothing else.On turn D you have everything but Yorion.
what are the most fun deck themes for casual edh pods?
>>96733393never ever
>>96733506>Picard is black.Picard wont be black, but Sisko will be
