Slopception Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96725878>TQWill Boar tribal be a real deck in any format?
>>96729437>TQI prefer Turtles
Hey yall it's ya boy Maro Rosewater here! Just popping in to spoil a big part of the next visit to Kamigawa! That's right your favorite In Universe plane is getting an upgrade ... of Ninja Turtles! The plane is now called Kamigawabunga! Haha aren't yall glad we are putting more care to Magic lore?
>>96729468This is just Mirage which was a kino set
>>96729492Kill me
want to remind all the sisters that the tmnt sloplands are already on mtg thanks to this little mod i madehttps://litter.catbox.moe/pqvfs8.7zplace them in your assetbundle folder and they are taking place of the set:ana lands
>All these disgusting food art on cards after slop meme went viral
>>96729525i also have cute and funny card art mods like janette silksonga
>>96729468>Zhalfir will be kino because WotC is racist leftists but will try hard on the set to not get accused of racism and will make an original plane without relying on tired tropes and hats>Zhalfir will be dogshit because WotC is incompetent and lazy and will phone-in an undertested product made by nepo hiresLady and gentlemen place your bets
>>96729525WotC asserting their dominance over the players by reminding them that people will buy the actual slop no matter what.
>>96729541>Zhalfir will be dogshitexpecting nothing else is foolish delusion
>>96729481I feel anger at this card. Especially because I saw people on facebook mocking people who get mad at it. Is this just where our society is at now? Have we lost? I guess so, in a few generations we’ll be literally replaced.
>>96729492>Kamigawabunga
>>96729492>kamigawabungaNice. Very nice.
>>96729525I AM A TURTLE AND I EAT PIZZA
>>96729541Usually works without tropes are boring messes.
>>96729481>>96729556Isn't she a reporter?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Etbn-v32zI
>>96729556generally speaking people who get mad about magic cards are worthy of mockery yes
I am shocked at how utterly revolting they managed to make pizza look on those lands.
>Even Brian "The WotC Cock Gobbler" Kibler is posting negative videos nowIt's so fucking over.
>>96729619I can't wait until Marvel Superheroes fucking implodes and Mark goes full meltdown mode on his blog.
Imagine playing for a magic tournament and this is what you get from your prize pool
>>96729627The "Cheese" in these arts looks like boogers.
>>96729627I'd rather just win an air fryer.
>>96729631>I'd rather just win an air fryer.Yeah, you could burn those abominations of cards with something like that.
>>96729556>I guess so, in a few generations we’ll be literally replaced.If it gets you to stop bitching about race bullshit, then I'm fine with that outcome.
>>96729665And then what?Do you believe the utopia will be achieved when you replace every competent person who cares about society, with people who aren't competent and do not care?
>>96729492I spent 10 minutes on this in Photoshop, now give me some (You)'s
>>96729689Where are the GUNDAMs?
>>96729689Where are the piggiesKinda funny I guess good job?
>>96729689Based.
>>96729677They want everywhere to be as much of a shithole as places like South Africa. Where the elites can rob the idiotic black and brown masses blind then blame the few remaining white people. To the rich and powerful elite that is a utopia. What will actually happen is complete global meltdown that will send us back to the dark ages.
>>96729437I have been idle waiting for the Premier Draft of this expansion and then... I find out these IDIOTS made such a fucking mess of this set, it's literally unplayable in such mode. They went on trying to save face with some fucking ebin meme called pick two mode holy SHIT. Is this literally the worst set of the decade? Not only the Arena art is disgusting, it has barely even added 1 card to all of standard, what the fuck happened? Who do we blame for this?
>>96729607see >>96729517
>>96729739I find it funny that WotC had to come up with the meme draft format because normal draft pods wouldn't fire anymore
>>96729627What is going on with the Mountain? Who stabs a pizza and then holds it like that?
>>96729750>What is going on with the Mountain?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtviwX6bS20
>>96729677I think "utopia" would be a hard-won outcome where people learn to overcome the intrinsic failings of our instincts and realize that there are no simple solutions to the problems that have permeated human civilization since its inception.This is obviously highly unlikely, because humans are largely myopic and are wont to repeat the same failures in the naive notion that eternal prosperity was always one step away for this simplistic philosophy or that failed state if only it hadn't been extinguished due to (insert factor to be blamed here).
>>96729481Why is April a negro now?What happened to the hot redhead girl everyone knows and loves?
>>96729758>I think "utopia" would be a hard-won outcome where people learn to overcome the intrinsic failings of our instincts and realize that there are no simple solutions to the problems that have permeated human civilization since its inception.Okay but that theory entirely crumbles when one simple solution is found to any given problem. You should subscribe to more robust ideologies.
>>96729763She got DEI’d. Like all redheads. Diversity is strength, except redheads
>>96729770Give me a simple solution to poverty.This should be good.
>>96729745they're just testing for future sets cause there won't be actual players for normal drafts to fire in 1-2 yearslook at mortal kombat now and you'll see the future of mtg
>>96729694>>96729705I hope this will please the masters
>>96729739Not to mention all the card arts are clearly rushed as fuck digital slop, they didn't even care enough to finish this guy's face. The art is so bad (and the cards) that I haven't heard anyone say "Im gonna proxy the the UW cards" since it dropped. Not even worth it.
>>96729776>Give me a simple solution to poverty.Hard work.
>>96729778It's... it's beautiful.
>>96729778not pleased, it's not 1080p wallpaper sized
>>96729778I think I prefer >>96729689 because it draws the eye to the abomination that is "Kamigawabunga" without feeling as crowded.
>>96729783Soviet Union had plenty of that, comrade. And plenty more poverty and failure.Try again.
>>96729776Kill all the homeless, disabled, and people on welfare, stop all foreign aid and immigration. Give everyone a pair of boots they can strap up. Easy
>>96729792All those people and their family members won't like that very much. Hope you like rampant corruption and the seeds of revolution.Almost as though your entry-level political philosophy doesn't really stand up to reality.
>>96729778Magnificent
>>96729798>tripfagAbsolutely disgusting. Fuck off you cunt
>>96729791>Soviet Union had plenty of that, comrade. And plenty more poverty and failure.You know, for some strange reason I suspect the poverty in the Soviet Union had something to do with their massacre of 61 million people than anything else.Just a hunch. That's a weird counterpoint even excluding the above, though. Bringing up a nation that harshly punished people who tried to fix problems with their labors, to refute the assertion that hard work can get you (an individual) out of povery is a total failure of logic.In addition to that, your argumentation from society rather than individual perspective totally fails. Hard work is a personal endeavour in spite of the tyrannies of the time. Stating that the merits of working hard can somehow be negated by "but muh society tho" is ridiculous.
>>96729791>>96729813That is to say: The soviet union's policies were the result of poverty.In the absence of oppression, hard work alleviates personal poverty.The presence of oppression somewhere does not at all, in any way, negate the value of labor everywhere.
>>96729798I forgot about prisons, clear em out. useless waste of food. kill everyone who commits a crime and crime disappears.Also kill everyone with over 100 million dollars and confiscate the money and if anyone even tries to make more than that, they die too
>>96729778Remove Megan Fox, modern MtG set will never have an hot woman in bikini
>>96729813>You know, for some strange reason I suspect the poverty in the Soviet Union had something to do with their massacre of 61 million people than anything else.And the rampant failures of the government, and the corruption of those who held more esteem within the Party stealing the work of the laborers.I'm not saying that social security and all that aren't being abused to hell by leeches, I'm saying that hard work can only lead out of poverty in an environment where people are protected from being exploited by those above them.Now how exactly does somebody do that in a simple way?
>>96729805Revolution? sounds like a death sentence. There's no poverty if you just kill everyone in the country and live off their wages
>>96729525I like pizza and the pizza i make doesn't look like that
>>96729835>I'm not saying that social security and all that aren't being abused to hell by leeches, I'm saying that hard work can only lead out of poverty in an environment where people are protected from being exploited by those above them.Okay so you're not asking for a simple solution to poverty then.You're asking for a simple solution to tyranny. Which is, of course, liberal use of sic semper tyrannus.So now both your proposed problems have simple solutions.
>>96729556im only upset because its UB
>>96729541>>96729541>>Zhalfir will be kino because WotC is racist leftists but will try hard on the set to not get accused of racism and will make an original plane without relying on tired tropes and hats>>Zhalfir will be dogshit because WotC is incompetent and lazy and will phone-in an undertested product made by nepo hires>Lady and gentlemen place your betsI vote for somewhere inbetween. Non-zero chance you get good art but some WotC hire up gets cancelled for something racist.I assume they'll actually hire black artists to paint the art for this set*, so it will be something else that causes drama.*They were criticized for not hiring black artists shortly before they announced their decision to ban 7 cards for their artwork.
>>96729850>Non-zero chance you get good art but some WotC hire up gets cancelled for something racist.i made a typo, i meant to say higher up instead of hire up.
>>96729850I bet we won't get to Zhalfir because we get less sets of UW every year and the game is killing itself
posting full poem of "Love Song of Night and Day" from the vision block:https://web.archive.org/web/20190521084051/https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/love-song-night-and-day-2003-04-14
>>96729789>>96729823What if I pulled your eyes to the center while still making it sloppy and awful? And don't worry anon I will put Megan in very chaste setting appropriate kimono
>>96729864Saved lol. Tremendous work.
>>96729841>Okay so you're not asking for a simple solution to poverty then.>You're asking for a simple solution to tyranny. Which is, of course, liberal use of sic semper tyrannus.So then who decides what is a just society and what isn't? What standards will you use to justify revolution and how will you justify the use of those standards as opposed to others?My overarching point is that many of these things are intrinsically connected. We are still a painfully nascent species puzzling out how best to live with each other without murder, and all the societal problems that have endured throughout history will likely be forever a part of the human condition. And should there ever be a solution found in the distant future, it will likely be so complex as to be utterly divested from our primitive instincts of what the world should look like.
>>96729864THERE WE GO
>>96729864You should edit in Maro being tortured and bleeding profusely from every hole in his body
>>96729871I'm a massive faggot and I need to go back to /pol/
>>96729864Oh fuck, I just noticed the obi is tied in the front. That's even better.
>>96729871>So then who decides what is a just society and what isn't?I do, in consultation and collaboration with my community and informed by study of history.>What standards will you use to justify revolutionIt doesn't have to be a revolution. Also, the standard of consent seems reasonable.>and how will you justify the use of those standards as opposed to others?Open debate would be ideal for that.>My overarching point is that many of these things are intrinsically connected. We are still a painfully nascent species puzzling out how best to live with each other without murder, and all the societal problems that have endured throughout history will likely be forever a part of the human condition. And should there ever be a solution found in the distant future, it will likely be so complex as to be utterly divested from our primitive instincts of what the world should look like.Some people want to live peacefully.Some people want to tell others how to live.Peace happens when the second group learns when to stop.War happens when the first group has to tell the second group to stop.It's honestly an extremely simple thing.
>>96729890>Some people want to live peacefully.>Some people want to tell others how to live.>Peace happens when the second group learns when to stop.>War happens when the first group has to tell the second group to stop.>It's honestly an extremely simple thing.It is extremely simple. And yet we've repeatedly failed to solve it.
>>96729884Nah he's chill and it's fairly civil honestly. Between this and piggyposting, this is a welcome break.
>>96729895>It is extremely simple. And yet we've repeatedly failed to solve it.And repeatedly succeeded, too. I strive to repeat the successes. Stop pretending like triumphs have to be eternal for them to be legitimate.Evil people will always strive for power. Good people will sometimes get exhausted.The cycle repeats. The fact that it's a cycle does not mean we haven't figured out how to solve the problem. You call an exterminator to solve an ant problem in your house. Does your house suddenly become immune to ants for the rest of all eternity? No. That's not how time works.
>>96729468>five suns>on ZhalfirAre they great replacing the mirrans?
>>96729627Is this how Ameridumb pizza looks like?
>>96729689Make it 16:9
>>96729864Kino.
>>96729897Fuck off Urza. I filtered your tripcode.
>>96729941What do you mean? Why would you filter yourself?
>Standard spoiler season videos>Majority of them focuses on the use of cards in Commander>Some drop the 60-card formats analysis altogether
>>96729902>Stop pretending like triumphs have to be eternal for them to be legitimate.When it comes to a triumph against the flaws of the human condition, I think it's a reasonable expectation to have. We realized that we need rules so we created laws. We realized that certain arrangements of laws worked well at maintaining various aspects of society. Yet through it all there are various problems that persistently refuse to be solved because they directly conflict with human nature.We aren't going to have a stable, enduring society until we've solved the problem of our own instincts. People vie for dominance, and so you have aggression, paranoia, and treachery that must be kept in check. People assemble in tribes and so you have the concept of the "Other" that will always taint interactions. People trust their initial beliefs over what can be objectively demonstrated, and so you have dogma to contend with.So no, I disagree that we've solved everything of substance. Yes, civilizations might rise and fall, but the humans who compose them are still figuring out how to live with each other.
>>96729905one of the few lasting repercussions of the monumental shit show that was MOM
Mythics were MTG's horse armor and you fucks ate it all up. Keep eating the slop you pigs.
>>96729962>When it comes to a triumph against the flaws of the human condition, I think it's a reasonable expectation to have.Not even remotely. It's blind, foolhardy idealism in the face of humanity's limited life. It's an assertion that you believe there is a solution to chaos itself. That's totally ridiculous.> We realized that we need rules so we created laws. We realized that certain arrangements of laws worked well at maintaining various aspects of society. Yet through it all there are various problems that persistently refuse to be solved because they directly conflict with human nature.I mean, yes and no. Law may be one of the glues that holds society together, but it's just as subject to the whims of man as anything else. It is, in fact, a whim of man. A non-extant thing we have agreed on through millennia of debate and trial-and-error. But, it is not the end of moral pursuits. It's not the thing that we seek morality to create. Law is simply one of the ways we codify what is good, to make communication about such matters easier and faster.>We aren't going to have a stable, enduring society until we've solved the problem of our own instincts.Why must a society be stable? Why must it endure?Things change. That is okay.Really, i think you should ponder your own thoughts. "Solve the problem of our instincts"? That's insane. We ARE our instincts, and we're better for them. There is nothing to solve, in that regard. What needs solving is evil action, not the nature of man.>So no, I disagreeSo, say your house is ant-free. You could then go out and berate the exterminator because he has not solved "the problem of ants". He would chuckle, and asked if he missed some, and offer to go back into your house. Then when you explain that you're talking about the problem of ants existing at all anywhere on the planet, and that you actually think he is a failure because still exist anywhere, you start sounding like a crazy person.
>>96729608April was a scientist in the original Mirage comics, and several other incarnations like IDW.
>>96729980Horse armor was the reserved list.Mythics were day 1 DLC.
>>96730009Well said anon.
>>96729991>We ARE our instincts, and we're better for them.Yes and no. Our instincts are vestigial remnants of times when we lived by fight and flight. While they can provide some benefits in modern societies (such as drive and caution), you must remember that they are leftovers from very different times that frequently inspire people to irrational behavior. We literally haven't evolved to live the way we do, with ample food, little danger, and merit increasingly based on intellectual instead of physical affinity. Keeping our instincts in check is objectively an important part of living in a society.Not that this is a failure of evolution or anything (it IS how we got to this far in the first place), but it is nonetheless the basis of the problems that we're discussing.>So, say your house is ant-free.A variant of your analogy that would be more accurate would be if ants infested your house every week, and no matter how many times you sent for an exterminator they kept coming back, and the exterminator advises you that it's just the nature of ants and this cyclical nature is just something you're going to have to live with, and that he lives with it too, it's just the way of things since ants are too hard to deal with.
Can you take your fantasies elsewhere, I want to consume my slop in peace!
it's up
Maro and this board share the same goal to bring the end of the fantasy keeping us tether to this board.
>>96730136>mtg is the plot of ffx
>>96730009imo it was planeswalker cards and mythics were the second warning>>96730135holy booba name?
>>96730136He is really good at doing it…
>>96730136But in universe magic is getting more attention than ever?
>>96730136He had a chance with Companion but he pussied out. He could have really killed the game there.
>>96730038>A variant of your analogy that would be more accurate would be if ants infested your house every week, and no matter how many times you sent for an exterminator they kept coming back, and the exterminator advises you that it's just the nature of ants and this cyclical nature is just something you're going to have to live with, and that he lives with it too, it's just the way of things since ants are too hard to deal with.No in that situation you just don't build your house in Antsville, Antopolis, United States of Antarctica. You discern a better place to build your home. Or, if the ants are everywhere, glass the world and build hydroponics. Problems can be solved in different ways.The point I'm making is, your assertion that a problem isn't solved unless the solution is infinite and universal is truly absurd. You can not change the nature of the cosmos. You can not influence the music of the spheres. You are not a god, stop pretending you could mortals can solve god-level problems.What we can solve today, right now is enough. And that we can solve things today, right now, means we have figured out how to solve the problem. If the problem returns, we solve it again. Shakespeare more than answered the question of the seemingly futile, but ultimately worthwhile nature of the cycle of strife and triumph centuries ago in Hamlet.You will not solve universal problems at the mortal scale. To think you can just means you are infinitely arrogant. You can solve mortal problems at a mortal scale, and to think that's not good enough makes you an insatiable malcontent. Your philosophy is predicated on delusion about the nature of comfort and goodness.
>>96730225sure just like someone giving their wife more attention by fucking their neighbour
>>96730225>more attention than ever?>Novels>Comics>Theoretical movies and shows that will never see the light of day.That's literally the same amount of attention it was getting in the 90s.
dedicated femboy plane in 2027wedge setall i can say
Besides Vivi, have any of the other FF cards seen serious play?
>>96730263There's way more but he cant talk about that stuff yet
>>96730316>There's way more but he cant talk about that stuff yetRight Mark. The super secret projects. We believe you.
>>96730294fire magic is the only 1mv red instant sorcery sweeper (albeit 1 damage) right now it sees some play for thatYuna + Esper Origins + Fenrir + Bahamut + Knights of round are all key pieces of a serious tier 2 deck that cheats them out with Kona + Evendo or the SeriemaSephiroth has seen people trying to make him work in nu Aristocrats pretty much nonstop since he was released but it hasn't really come together yetStarting Town is also a broken ass land and has seen play in ninety trillion decks but not sure if you would get excited for a land like that
>>96730294On the top of my head in standard you have Tifa in mono G, Ardyn in reanimator deck and Cecil in dimir aggro.
>>96730294Cecil sees play even in Modern
>>96730321Same energy as "the mirrodin documents" that totally answered all questions that people had about the plane yet were never answered in any official capacity.
>>96730294Yuna is the main one mostly because she can probably cheat out summon bullshit before you can kill her.
>plane-agnosticholy reddit
>>96730377Plane-agnostic fentanyl token when?
>>96730294Cecil is in basically every Black deck currently and starting town is a really strong fixing land. Yuna, Sephiroth and Tifa are also core pieces of different tier 2 decks
I find it funny how wheels are always optional now because while the busted part of them in 1v1 is the fact you go +7, in Commander it's the fact you get a 21/21 Orcish Bowmasters.
>>96730411>Commander making up enough arbitrary rules to be its own different game now bends the original game's rules around it
>>96730377>Plane-agnosticCan we sterilize these porks?
>>96730420no need, they'll never have children to begin withand even if they did, they'd be so fucked by their genetics the best you'd get would be a severily low functioning autismo
>>96730294YunaCecil Phoenix DownCloudSephirot RaubahnFire MagicSuplexOperaAbsolute virtueLeviathan BahamutAll of them have seen play even across formats. Very different case from Spooderman.
>>96730439which is greatanyone with half a brain knows they'll have to keep power creeping to avoid a spiderman v2 and with 7 sets per year it means the game will be absolutely fucked in 1-2 yearsi can't wait until every removal is 2cmc and exiles, lots of zero mana spells with no downside, a one mana questing beast, etc etc
>>96730294Kefka is a top 5 grixis commander
Only thing I feel I have left to look forward to is them finishing these two cycles.
>>96730510TMNT will feature pizza lands with multiple toppings
>>96730294adding to what other people already said, from the top of my head:The Wandering Minstrel (Pioneer)Emet-Selch (DC)Tifa Lockhart (Standard/DC)Joshua (Pioneer)Ardyn (Pioneer)Traveling Chocobo (Legacy)Sin, Spira's Punishment (Modern) Terra, Magical Adept (DC) Midgar, City of Mako (Pioneer)Lindblum, Industrial Regency (Modern)Black Mage's Rod (Pauper)Summon: Choco/Mog (Pauper)Fire Magic (Modern)Zack Fair (Pioneer)
Do any of the Chinese proxy sites already sell OM1 proxies?
>>96730526>pioneer and pauperWhy even play at that point?
>>96730548what do you mean? I have more fun in both of those formats than standard or modern at the moment
>>96730548These are unironically the only 60-card formats I play nowadays. Both of them are in much better state than Modern, Legacy is dead and Vintage is a meme for decades now. Premodern would be my format of choice if it was played in paper in my country.
>>96730548Imagine playing Viviandard or Troondern lmao, i rather play Pauper or brew something in Pioneer than lose my soul at that shit formats, enjoy your “curated” play faggot.
>>96729665>If it gets you to stop bitching about race bullshit, then I'm fine with that outcome.
new Auntie
>>96729745>fuck around with draft boosters for years>every single set has bonus cards in these boosters that aren't in the main set that you have to draft around anyway>pack prices have skyrocketed so drafting is more expensive>do away with draft boosters altogether, play boosters are even worse for drafting>on top of all that, you get less packs in a box now so you can't even do a full draft with a single box anymoreGee, I wonder why people stopped drafting...
>>96729850It will be the classic modern business "we tried so hard not to be racist that it comes full circle and is actually way more racist and stereotypical than if you just did it genuinely" thing.
mandatory standard play should be implemented throughout all united states schools if you have low gradeswe need more school shooters
>>96729850>>96729855>>96730723I was about to type something to the effect of, "if there aren't white or Asian people in this set then WotC are hypocrites and should be called out" but, honestly, what's the point? You know they are. I know they are. We all know they are. Rules for thee but not for me, and all that. I'd feel more frustration if MtG wasn't already dying in the most embarrassing way possible with cannibalizing ever-more obscure fandoms to sustain itself.
>>96729541Mix of half, ixalan made the natives extremelly racist and lame, but the "evil" vampires super cool
>>96729763Yt folx is witches WOTC finna wage da jihad against da whyt devilHAIL SARUMANWAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
>>96729627Arent turtle pizza lovers? a pizza lover would be offended by theseisn't NY the "place" for pizzathis screams like AI prompt in so many places
>>96730840i find funny how trying to make evil white man make the coolest looking cards, Saruman of Many colors if the biggest dick energy card ever printed
>>96730845I don't think its AI prompted, I think its just a terrible idea in the first place. It could've been an NY manhole for fucks sake
>Hamm>RoThey don't slop.
>>96730316>We test the waters, and do what the players wantIt can't be anything more than a lie when you go from Lord of the Rings to fucking Ninja Turtles.What fucking part of Warhammer, Fallout, and Lord of the Rings leads you to making Ninja Turtles? Mutant, green humanoids with swords? Yeah? Really?
>>96730894Honestly, yeah. And if they wanted to still keep the pizza, they could have made it as an interesting artifact
>>96729627That looks more like cum than pizza cheese. Is the artist someone who did porn before?
>>96730979I mean we'll probably have a pizza card of some sort. I think if they wanted to do pizza lands they probably should've had, like, broadly-themed pizza but the pizza boxes being the focal thing with the mana symbols.
>>96730970>What fucking part of Warhammer, Fallout, and Lord of the Rings leads you to making Ninja Turtles?As anon said before, it's because they're running out of nerdy fandoms to tap. Picture the board meeting that went into deciding Ninja Turtles. Bunch of washed-up millennial Quislings selling their souls to some suit that's only there to make enough money to go yachting in Sarasota. All the obvious choices were already tapped, so they had the Millennials talk about what cartoons and media from their childhood they could think of. Get ready for the Ed Edd and Eddy set.
So was the Spiderman set a flop? I was expecting it to be a success considering how massive the IP is.
>>96730991>Is the artist someone who did porn before?Look at this anatomy and tell me a human drew it.
>>96731016I can picture a human who hates their current art job and really is only in there for the money.
>>96731016Human drew it.
>>96731015Unclear. It didn't sell great, that much IS clear, but it's probably not doing DFT numbers. It's not selling nearly as much to the heavily enfranchised crowd though, people just aren't really playing it for limited either (it's not a bad limited format but it's very narrow and so not very interesting to do multiple times).
/ourguy/
>>96731015>>96731025Mark is in full damage control mode on his blog saying it actually sold super well to enfranchised players despite everyone else claiming the only buyers they saw were tourists that thought the cards were an investment.
>>96731005>running out of nerdy fandoms to tapI think they are just incompetent - unable to find nerdy fandoms and unwilling to license a small fandom that would cost nothing to license.They just took God of War and Last of Us and made 4 cards each. How fucking stupid would you have to be to waste those properties on only 4 fucking cards. I know you're joking but there are fandoms that are as well hidden as Ed Edd and Eddy that aren't jokes that could be used.I can't fucking picture the meeting that went into deciding Ninja Turtles. I fucking can't. I don't think anybody at Wizards is qualified to shovel dirt but I can't fucking imagine how fucking useless a group of people would have to be to land on Ninja Turtles. I have been in rooms where the group decided on fucking Minions as the "theme" of something and I immediately condemned it so fucking hard that I actually got an exemption from participating.The fact that nobody in Wizards threw themselves on their sword to stop Ninja Turtles from happening is the most horrifying things I can imagine. It can only be a sequence of unlimited systematic failures that we ended up on Ninja Turtles. What fucking fandom does Ninja Turtles rank, did Wizards even fucking do a survey? Is Ninja Turtles at place 1000? They chose Ninja Turtles over 999 other fucking properties?
>>96731025I mean it's kind of a bad limited format, Red is a dead color and there are only 3 archetypes that don't involve red unless you count secret deck shit like Golgari graveyard and Iron Spider / Living Brain artifacts (which, notably, also do not involve Red)
mighty morphin power ranger would be so easy with the current UB slop formula>lands are morphers>each ranger is associated with a color identity>mechanic: Morbin Time! (pay a cost and return a tapped artifact you control to your hand to play this creature)>5C Megazord that draws you a cardhire me jotc
SLOP FOR THE SLOP GOD
>>96731090I'm genuinely super surprised they haven't done ANYTHING Power Rangers, they literally own it.
>>96729437This shit is just getting hard to look at. They can't seriously expect us to accept this right? Are there actually people that are going to buy this?Yeah lemme guess, nostalgic millennials are gonna eat this up or something.
>>96731151>Are there actually people that are going to buy this?Do you not play at a store?
>>96731167No I play cube drafting with my wife and our friends because my LGS sucks.
BREAKING NEWS:ENFRANCHISED, LONG-TIME MAGIC PLAYERS BAND TOGETHER TO BUY A TURTILLION TMNT BOXES, MAKES A PIZZILLION DOLLARS IN PREORDERS- Mark Rosewater
>>96729763To be fair this card is referring specificaly to her recent negro incarnation. They'll probably have multiple versions of April.
>>96731202You wanna know the fucked up part? The fattened 30 year olds that frequent many an LGS these days with their funko pops in tow will readily eat this slop up. And some of them probably used to play standard back in 2010, disgusting.
>>96731212I mean, no, it's the version they're using on branding and everything. It's a composite version because no existing version of April looks like this. She has the broad hairstyle/figure of the original, jumpsuit/reporter-ness of the 87 cartoon, same with the hair colour, and skin tone of the Rise version.
A friend of mine plays premodern and he goes out of his way to cram his premodern deck full of as much UB printings as possible and he's salivating at these basics.
>>96731233based aesthetic ruinator friend
>>96731212>They'll probably have multiple versions of AprilI really, really, REALLY doubt it, anon
>>96731249I really don't doubt it at all, they need to fill out a set somehow. The only things that's in question is whether or not every version of April will be blackwashed or not, which I doubt but it could happen. But that there will be multiple versions of her I don't doubt in the slightest.
>>96731016It really does make zero sense. Who would stab a pizza onto their fist like this? You would have to be holding the sai/dagger/knife thing straight up, and then use the other hand to drive the pizza down onto it. Then what? You just let the sloppy cheese drip all over down your wrist? It's just terrible.
>>96731259we already have multiple depictions of April and they are both using the exact same design as the one on the box
>>96731090What'd probably happen is that the Zords would be busted cards, but could only be "Crew Ranger" instead of a number; but then include an artifact that makes anyone a Ranger
>>96731274>Turtle designs can be variable >April's design must be consistently (black)Hmmm
>>96731220Most longtime players I know wouldn't care if the cards were black text printed on white cardboard.
>>96731289it's like there's an agenda behind all this*furrows brow**scratches chin*
Sneak does in fact work like Ninjutsu (sort of) on creatures, they just... Didn't show us any creature with Sneak's reminder text for some reason.
>>96731289The turtles only vary in Turtles Forever, which explicitly is referencing a multiverse-y crossover thing TMNT did, and specific versions like Leonardo, Street Samurai. Otherwise they're consistent, far as I can tell. They clearly have a 'core' version of the cast for this set and then have other references here and there.
>>96731289>April's design must be consistently (black)Why is that?
>>96731229why is it always the gingers who's always the first to be blackwashed?
>>96731295That would be an improvement
>>96731304The Hays Code?
>>96731316It is very obvious that they will add the other versions of turtles. There are not enough characters to fill this set.
>>96731327Jews hate the irish
>>96731327>why is it always the gingers who's always the first to be blackwashed?Redheads traditionally occupied the same sort of alt-society space that black people now enjoy. Ever hear the term, "red-headed stepchild?" It's like that.
>>96731396As well as "paddy wagon" for police cars. So many Irish people were both cops and the arrested, that ended up being a nickname for it
>>96731357I mean, we'll see when we see. They'll reference other versions for sure. Last Ronin's getting a card, probably, but there's a lot of deep cuts to pull from the IDW comics or Mirage comics both.
>>96731396I like to think because in some ancient hidden history they were a global empire, probably not true tho, redheads are so hot and property of BWC I don't care what jews with cameras and money say. Naturally I exist and they like me, they have to pay redheads to fuck rappers
>>96731327Because for a very long time, they weren't considered white
Avatar spoilers when? I want to see what card my wife gets.
>>96729513Sure was, which makes me all the more trepidatious.>>96729541>>9672955370-30 this.>>96729850Mirage and Visions has some really good artists, none of which are likely to appear here, unfortunately. I'm suspect if any of the style guide cues resemble those of Mirage and Visions, either (see Sidar Jabari of Zhalfir or Mageta the Lion).
>>96731482not true
>>96731638sad news anon not black enough to be featured not white enough to be race swapped.....
>>96729778Anon delivers
Rate my commander deck commander.
I will not rate your commander deck commander.
>>96730225This is the nail in the coffin for me, not FIRE, not commander, not UBTHE BLATANT LIES
>>96731703reads like a teenage girl's self insert
>>96731703So much text and the card still manages to be garbage.
I low how WotC is hitting the rock bottom and Prof follows them, radicalised more and more with every step he takes into spiral.
>>96729481>wtf is slopception>qt3.14 irish gf is now a nigger
>>96730225>our cash cow is in a huge growth cycle
So how much UB shit actually has to flop before WotC cancels the whole thing? Unless they straight up end go into bankruptcy by next year? Because this stiff was planned in advanced which means 2027 and even 2028 is also UB crap.
>>96731792They would have to actually lose money on one first, which apparently hasn't happened yet.
>>96731798I mean I don't think Magic's lost money on any product except MAYBE the 30th anniversary thing, it's incredibly cheap to produce.
>>96731804I would imagine UB is different since they're paying to use the IP. There's an actual risk there.
>>96731739I will be honest furby is just so mindblowingly retarded that it is like a stackunderflow for me that comes out the other end and starts being funny/good again.
>>96729556wtf are you babbling aboutwhat are you angry about? what have we lost? you're looking a fucking magic card and acting as if the world is ending
>>96731818Sure, but it's more "not making AS much profit" even if they don't sell great. There still won't be actual losses unless something is just catastrophically not selling, and even the worst sets still sell. Aftermath was, apparently, the absolutely worst-selling thing and worst-received thing they've ever made that they've done market research on (they didn't for the 30th anniversary because of course) and I expect it still made money. ACR and SPM probably still made money.
>>96731818>UB is different since they're paying to use the IPThis is where you are wrong. Apparently, many of the UB IPs are already paid thanks to Monopoly cross-over deals. I wouldn't be surprised if their additional costs were minimal if any.
>>96731739I'm getting hyped for this!
>>96731860>>96731885Well then get ready for the UB to never end.
>>96731917I can see them scaling it back but I highly doubt they'll eliminate it entirely. It's still highly effective at getting new players in.
>>96731792Given that LOTR, an UB set, quickly became their best selling set of all time only to be surpassed by FF, another UB set, I think it's fair to say that at this point it would take a series of catastrophic failures for them to start losing faith in UB.
>>96731940>It's still highly effective at getting new players inThis is bullshit and I dare anyone to prove me and my anecdotal evidence wrong with hard data. I have multiple LGSs in my area and I'm in contact with a few other communities in different countries do to my previous job and none of them experienced a surge of new players. Majority of them experienced decline in the number of players, almost none is running Standard events or even Pioneer events. Even the Commander is not as popular as it used to be anymore.
>>96731940>new playersYou mean those commander players who only buy singles of the slop and then buy nothing else? Or do you mean those Arena noobies who go on Arena and uninstall after a few days when they start running into Vivi or RDW?
>>96731977Zendaya is a cutie, you just have shit taste
>>96731940It brings in new, one-off customers, not new recurring players
>>96731973Nevertheless, they would have to be very pigheaded to continue as if every crappy franchise is suitable for a standard set.
>>96732087It brings in people who come in, play Magic, find they like Magic as a game, and keep playing it.
>>96729798You're malding so hard because you are disabled and on welfare and live in a country that requires billions of dollars from white people to exist. And you're fat lol
>>96731973Almost every other UB product besides those two have had mediocre results.
>>96732117Considering all UW products have had mediocre results, that's not saying much.
>>96730748>united states>weYou live in brazil.
>>96732121The only set this year to underperform (we don't know SPM's results yet but it doesn't look great) was Aetherdrift, every other set either met or exceeded expectations (wildly so in FIN's case). The real thing will be when/if UB sets start to sell, on average, 'about as good' as other sets, because a UB set has to make more money to off-set its costs, UW sets are just cheaper to make.
>>96732117UB commander precons sold like hotcakes almost universally and those are high margin products.>>96732094True, they will at the very least realize that the mini set format of Aftermath and ACR was a failure and that hastily turning them into full sets like SPM isn't a solution so I do expect them to scrap that (although I suspect that TMNT is going to be like SPM in that regard given that it should have been done before they realized that route was a failure). I also expect them to cut back to not having more UB sets than UW sets after 2026 but that's the extent of what I realistically expect fan pushback to achieve. I don't think there's any realistic chance on seeing a significant cut in UB content barring an absolutely catastrophic flop with Marvel or something like that.
>>96732102That's what WotC hopes, but it doesn't really pan out that way in practice. The UB tourists don't stick. They just want a couple packs for the novelty of it and maybe some singles of their favorite characters. UB is the bait and the game is the hook, but the game is in a terrible state and EDH is ultra casual, so the hook has no barb. They just eat the bait and spit the hook back out.
>>96729864Adding a stealthy subtle happy merchant somewhere in it would be hilarious.
>>96732200And our game suffers as a result. It's like trying to capture something with your anus but it just rapes you without lube instead and leaves you gaped for the next one to come by.
>>96732200Do you have any actual source on this or is it just "I strongly feel this is true"? Because, like, the data apparently says it's not true. Some do that. But also people who get in via UB will often try some other non-UB stuff too, and more people who get in via UB stick around than those who get in via just trying on a whim.
At this point just make an IRL UB already.
I've been out of the MTG scene since around 2018. If the wokeism level then was, let's say, a 5/10, how woke is MTG right now? I feel like start getting into It again unless it is too ruined already so please save me some time if so.
get fucked triptranny
>>9673240711. All characters are gay retarded niggers now.Exception is the FF set, which strangely sold the most???
I demand the following>a block of 3 sets a year that tells a story>a one-off more light hearted set with little story like bloomburrow>one random product, be it foundation, a master set or whatever they want
>>96732271>Because, like, the data apparently says it's not true.You got a source there buddy?
>>96732271nta but the logic check out if you think about it and have seen it happen.A fan of an IP, who just consumes the IP, is just going to get merch of the IP and stick with the IP.They're not going to engage with the main product hosting the IP they are a fan of unless they were already engaged in it, IF they even choose to buy crossover shit.See tekken 8 and when they released Clive from FF16. So many FFtards hyped the shit out of it and were salivating that at their husbandos getting in another game. The character was released completely busted and still is broken to this day. The majority of the FF fans didn't get tekken and a minority dropped the game after the hype died down and the character getting slight nerfs after dominating competitions.Meanwhile running damage control and derailing any discussion on anyone daring to point out or criticize the absolute game breaking cancer design that character is.It happened with Noctis in tekken 7 as well because the tourists demand their slop to be liked and any criticism they take as a personal offense that they are willing to go the extra mile to attempt to censor anyone not speaking positively about the IPs they are fans of.Thus it becomes impossible to contain anymore since the cattle outnumber any sane and reasonable people and companies just listen to "hype" (even if fake) and money, and the game suffers for short term profit and because it lured absolute fucking retards that have no interest in the main game/product but have an agenda-like mentality to get people to like what they like so they feel validated.You NEVER want to appeal to such cattle if you care about the long term health of any of your products.
>>96732407>I feel like start getting into It againdon't
>>96732442>attractive girls>cute moogles and chocobos>muscular and handsome boys>mechanically interesting cardsThis formula is so easy to figure out. Yet they keep back to their woke shit. They must hate money.
>>96731739>Furbys>not Labubus???????????????????????
>>96732468>muscular and handsome boysEffeminates all of them.
>>96732459I've seen a lot of anecdotal evidence of fans who got in via FF or LOTR and are still sticking around now, or trying older sets.
>>96732481only soillennial pandering allowed, sorry zoomie
>>96732468This logic holds up until you realise the second-best-selling set was LOTR.
>>96732481Hasbro owns furby.
>>96732468Some were genuinely just magic cards but with FF picturesYou wont believe how much i love dusk manglerbut i like landcycling even more
>>96732509Yeah I like this guy too. It's the Archon at home.
>>96731792There has to be constant fails for 2 years and if even a single one manages to be as big as LoTR, the clock resets.
>>96732491My example is not even that anecdotal since you can look the absolute state of that game for yourself.
>>96732574...The state that is more people are buying Magic than ever?
>>96732574Anon what do you think the word anecdotal means?
>>96732271>But also people who get in via UB will often try some other non-UB stuff tooNo they fucking don't. Why would they? Imagine being a Final Fantasy fan right now and looking at other Standard sets.>Spider-Man >some weird sci-fi space opera shit>some goofy ass racing themed set>random cringe 80s horror movie pastiche>not!Redwall>lame magic cowboys>magic Sherlock Holmes?Why would I want to engage with any of that shit? I just wanted to get my cool Sephiroth card.
https://x.com/JimDavisMTG/status/1977037073598365982lmao
y'all niggas really be out here yuckin my yum huh
>>96732491I've seen a lot of anecdotal evidence of the opposite. LGS's all over the place where there's no one playing the game except some oldfags still clinging to Modern and a handful of EDH players doing their thing. These new UB players are supposed to be drawn in to Standard initially, but Standard is fucking dead. And they aren't gonna jump from buying their first pack to fucking Modern.
>>96732624but i don't play league of legends either tho
>>96732591More product being sold, yet somehow less people playing than ever. Almost like a large amount of sales are going to people who don't actually play the game.
>>96732599It means speaking from personal experiences or something that happened a couple times which don't always reflect objective reality 1 anecdote is worthless2 anecdote might point in a direction3+ anecdotes resulting in the same outcomes become a fact>>96732591>but it makes moneyso does selling drugsso does the pharmaceutical industry selling vaccines for fake virusesso does exploiting lonely men by selling them chatting services where they believe they're talking to a hot woman for $14.99 a minute but behind the screen there is an indian getting paid 0,59 cents a day to engage in cringey erotic roleplay with some fat americanAnd so does selling courses on how to make money by repeating and reselling what you can get for free if you can use googleSo does scalpingDon't mean shit
>>96732656We got a steady supply of commander players, but tournament attendance is down the shitter.
>>96729850If I can play as some kind of Ghede then maybe I'll buy some cards
>>96732591ps5 also sold well on releasebut no one actually played with it since they were all gathering dust in scalpers basements
Just you wait for the Reality Fracture.
>>96731792>>96731798>>96731818That requires them to make a catastrophic mistake of licensing, like making a Concord set or something. Sales are propped up by two things: the rotating door of tourists, and secondary market/investors. The tourists will always be there to BUY BUY BUY, but then they go. The cards themselves will get powercrept in a couple years. Once the investors crash out because nobody wants their hoard, they'll lose confidence and stop buying UB, and that will set off some sort of alarm over at WotC.For your part, don't just get out of UB, stop buying sets wholesale. Make it clear to them that their core playerbase has been BURNED and doesn't want to deal with their shit. No prereleases, no packs, no tournaments. Play cube.
>>96732776This but also with whatever real world democratic senator is most popular with bluesky at the time of printing.Let's push this as far as it can go. Mark, if you are reading this: DO IT I FUCKING DARE YOU. You can make Magic the perfect vessel for globohomo propaganda.Universes Beyond: Champions of the World Economic Forum fucking WHEN??? I'll preorder a case.
>The Simpsons UByou just fucking know
>>96732407You're joining while everyone else os trying to leave. Stay away from this game
>>96732407Was 2018 before or after the "two half naked fat men kissing isn't sexual, bigot!" saga?I can't remember anymore, it's all so tiresome.
>>96732303They did that already
>>96729627Is it just me or does some of the """"""""cheese"""""''''''' look like the super chunky hentai cum?
It's funny, I knew a tmnt set would obviously be bad but I didn't realize it'd be this fucking garbage until the actual cards were shown. I don't know what I had pictured in my head but this is so fucking shit that I couldn't even fathom it a few weeks ago.
I haven't been playing magic in years and I check up on you guys every couple of months and I swear every time there's some new manmade horror beyond comprehension added to the game. kek
>>96732901I don't get it
If i were a multibillion dollar company trying to make more money..... why wouldn't i lay out a foundation that would allow me to deliver a high quality product that would be well received by long time consumers, thus making them engage in positive word of mouth and brining in newcomers to buy my product probably even long term thus repeating the cycle or new customers coming in into the game... instead of wasting millions for marketing and fake hype on social media products, that increasingly do worse and are badly received by the player base and ruin the company's reputation until everything coming from the company will be automatically be seen as low quality even from non-customers, which will result in products not selling anymore no matter what the company produces?
>>96733053As long as the new commons are too garbage to see play, I could care less. Let JotC destroy coomander, modern, legacy, and standard.
>>96733129Didnt mh3 blow up your format too?
>Mutant Ninja Turtle Samurai
>>96733150Not really. Like one or two cards at best in some of the decks. Mostly untouched by modern horizons.
>>96733161Btw sai would be culturally insensitive
>>96733176do you even play pauper or did you entirely miss broodscale hell?
>>96733108>why wouldn't i lay out a foundation that would allow me to deliver a high quality product that would be well received by long time consumers,They did that for 25 years and now they're harvesting that foundation for short term profit. Since magic players seem to be completely unable to not buy things, it's worked out well for them.
>>96733196Broodscale is now banned so the format is fixed.
I know this is a weird ask, but can you look at this list:https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Amount+c%3Dgand tell me which one looks best mechanically, or at least which one you hate the least? I'm building a meme cube
>>96733245District mascot and Tumblewagg are the strong ones.>cubeNo point using nu-cards in a cube.
>>96733108>>96733220Yep. Quality and word of mouth is just a boot loader.There's no point in continuing to produce a good product one you've hit maturity. Better to burn down and extract, and then roll those profits into a new growth project.In a perfect world ALL companies would be forced to be publicly traded! All glory to finance!
>>96733161It's gay looking, but I can cope.But not make cards calling for Mutant Ninja Turtle Samurais specifically, so I can put them with either or tribal deck.
>>96733108The answer is the same: incompetent leadership who eat their own bullshit.
>>96733108Because MTG is EDH now. And the needs and desires of them are incompatible with yours. But Wotc delivers.
>>96733108Since companies have to grow, they have to innevitably draw in new customers. Also, pleasing long-term customers is a lot harder since they are more well-informed on the products on offer from having points of reference. This is why basically all large companies alienate regulars and aim for pleasing beginners.The specific case of MtG shows this perfectly: Veteran players know about the inherent flaws of a TCG and want WotC to balance the game while bringing fresh ideas.They also remember times when booster-boxes didn't cost $650. Newbies have no clue they are getting into a game which aims to drain ever more money for slightly more powerful cards. They have no clue of the trajectory we've been on for years now. They also don't have any connection to the established community and will likely not seek it's advice beforehand. By the time they catch on, there is going to be a new fandom to be recruited. WotC actions make perfect sense, economically speaking.
>>96733314No. The answer is pigs who eat everything in the trough regardless of what's dumped in there.
>>96733245Stubborn Burrowfiend could be a thing if you have a lot of graveyard interaction in the cube. Otherwise, the rares are stronger (though mascot depends a bit on the number of enemy artifacts/how agressive green is)If you're asking about fun, I had a lot grinding out games with Beaver. Venomsac has some interesting descisions associated with it too with its weird mix of offensive and defensive power.
>>96733390Even pig won't eat shit.
>>96733390Blaming the consumer is only half the equation. The other half is executives who bend over backwards to make the slop as rank and foul as the pigs can endure in order to deliberately drive away the humans. >How can you complain about how filthy they've made this place? Don't you realize this is how the pigs prefer it? For far too long, we've normalized an environment that's exclusionary to pigs and we need to do better.
>>96733353Make another format both playable and cheap and cmdr wont be a problem anymore
I read the untold stories: elspeth issue #1. I gotta say I liked it.
>>96730377Return to Ravnica
>>96733420So what you are saying is that pigs have better standards than the current mtg players
>>96730458these cards are specifically designed to be braindead commanders so you can slop in all your favorite characters and not lose miserably every game. They're targeting a very specific kind of player who doesn't want to think much about their deck.
>>96731229I wish her hair was black like the original version.
>>96730377>long waited>they only just started shitting out artifact tokens
>>96733482I mean the original didn't wear a yellow jumpsuit or work as a reporter either. It's a mish-mash of various incarnations.
>>96731703First Strike, Lifelink, and fight are color pie breaks add a red pip and a white pip.
>>96731804Aftermath failed spectacularly.
>>96733510Why tho
>>96733560Fatigue fatigue
>>96733420>even pig won't eat shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo31mBwbiC8Just like the average UB buyer, a pig will eat shit.
>>96733510It presumably still made money. Magic sets have to not sell anything at all to not make money, basically.
>>96733678Yes but they would still lose profits. They spent at least $101,000 just for the artwork.
>check amazon for shits n giggles>tmnt pizza box for 100 bucks>tmnt sloplettor booster set for 500+>lorwyn coomslopper booster (1) for 30 bucks>lorwyn bundle for 100 bucks when you can get a draft box for 170>you can preorder FF scene boxes for 40 bucks>a lot of shit sold out despite costing double, triple and quadruple of what you would spend on other sites>avatar box for 210 bucksjesus h christwhat kind of ""new players"" do they want to attract with this?
>>96733358>By the time they catch on, there is going to be a new fandom to be recruited.I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said. It does make complete perfect sense, economically speaking. Pokemon does the same thing, every year there's just some kid getting the latest game and everything that came before is utterly irrelevant to that kid.I've made my peace with this fact - there are always the people who haven't quit - the lifers. They are always there to welcome the newest generation and encourage them to waste their time and effort with Magic. They never talk about how Magic has fucked successive generations of players that they have witnessed. Nobody talks about how stores have potential player bases of hundreds if not thousands of people 95% of which have quit because of dumb fuckery moreso than growing out of the game. Men love their hobbies, they don't quit things they enjoy.I'm just thinking about one lifer. This guy is cancer and has basically turned the entire community into Wizards dickriders. There's nobody sane or professional playing anymore it's all just kids and adults who can't control their spending and encouraged by this guy who lends them decks to play but keeps them retarded so they never actually get good and he sharks all their pulls.I guess what I'm saying is that Wizards has some reprehensible behavior and it attracks reprehensible people but a lot of it is that we as players for some reason just can't keep decent people around. Magic has always suffered from useless people but it can't keep the sane people around either.
>>96733747I AM A PIG AND I EAT SLOP
>>96733747ones that have been told those prices will be double after release
>>96733793>but it can't keep the sane people around either.If you were sane and saw a bunch of nutjobs being genuinely fucking retarded and swallowing the kool-aid every time while every attempt at being reasonable is met with disregard at best and if not that, turning the local community against you which will make them feel justified to do bad things to you; would you risk hanging around them? It's just risk assessment at that point, hence the only ones remaining are the nutjobs policing opinions that might not get new prey into the game.
>>96733850>would you risk hanging around themOf course not. You're right it's basic risk assessment.I just struggle with seeing this pathology everywhere not just with Magic. Once the crazies take control they don't give it up and then it becomes all crazies because they have the tolerance and may I say the desperation to maintain this social group that they could buy into rather than be accepted as a friend group would.What makes Magic stand out from other activities that have shit themselves is that the retarded people playing Magic have nothing else in their lives. When they travel they visit Magic stores, as if the next city over has some fucking special cards. But it's all the same cards. It's all the same fucking cards you can get at any online store. Sane people have other shit going on and they don't NEED Magic like these people do.Like you said, be brave and you'll get bitten. If the community has been completely poisoned being brave does nothing.
>>96733510landfall fags all cracked it until they opened that cracked nissa that was about it
>>96733510I still don't hate small sets as a concept necessarily. Not having to worry about padding out your set with draft fodder can be nice. Lord knows Spiderman could have done without it. They just need to find a right ratio of playable cards and rarity distribution to make it work
>>96734014If wizards was good they could make good things. but they are not good so they do not make good things.
Sup MtG Gen. Should I buy a $30 play-set of Camel for Pauper laughs?
>>96733909It's a control thing that aligns with narcissistic personalities.It doesn't matter what the group is about, all that matters is that whoever is the "leader" has some kind of pseudo authority. The thing they quite literally parasitize is just a tool to force the group to have something in common, and even more powerful if there is some sort of sunk cost fallacy taking place that won't make people quit because if they did they would lose their social circle and would admit to themselves they wasted time and money, which for an average normie is pretty much ego suicide.Then they use the tool to further gain more influence over a broader spectrum or to push whatever ideals, ideologies or agendas they might have.Magic is the only "hook" they have to get to other people, because everyone that has nothing in common with them, instinctually knows to avoid them whereas other people who are into the game, run the risk of having to deal with them, hence why such people are on the prowl trying to find prey in other game stores.
>>96732468It's not about that. Those things help but at the end of the day FF was a set that was well designed, has good flavor, and has ACTUAL CARE PUT INTO IT. No one playing or buying Spider-man or TMNT give a fuck about those sets
>>96734220It occurs to me: How much developmental control did the Japs have over the set? Did they head off wotc's worse inclinations maybe?
>>96734243Probably all of it. Square-Enix is notorious for being extremely protective of their IP.
>>96734243From listening to all the talks they've given it was more WoTC would request stuff and Squeenix would ok or deny it. The biggest difference is the design team were legitimate fans of the property so they actually put in the effort to make flavorful and powerful cards. That's not to say it was perfect because you can still tell the bias that was there (FFXIV is way overrepresented and the FF2-5 era get hosed) but there's enough great stuff that Magic fans and FF fans can look at and say "wow that's cool" or "wow that's clever".
>>96734302I forgot to add, this was the exact opposite approach for Spider-man which was made into a standard set last second so you get a bunch of slap dash shit that is bland in flavor and mechanics because there was no other way.Anyways, sorry for ranting
>>96734302I'm actually surprised at how little 5 got. Lenna isn't even on any of the cards. Faris at least got to show up in the art, but goddamn.
>>96734312IIRC wasn't V the last to make it over to America of the original 6 for some reason or other? Might be lack of exposure.
>>96731327Because it's an anagram.
>>96734302>FFXIV is way overrepresented ReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeXIV ISNT EVEN A GAME I FUCKING HATE IT! >FF2-5 era get hosedree
>>96734342It feels like it's every FF fan's second favourite though.
>>96734243Based on past projects the brands have full control. Rules of design and magic will be bent to showcase the advertised brands, and the brands have full control over how their characters are presented.Some franchises choose secret lair alt name reskins, others get direct representation of their characters, and yet others go for a re-imagining in Magic style. Sometimes they add licensed world versions of existing cards. We can tell from existing UB this is all the license-holder's option.Hasbro consults or advises them on what kind of product suits each IP, and even whether the cards go through standard or not is for sale. They take care of the details and grunt work, but nothing against the depicted brand's guideline should ever happen. The service they offer other companies is both bespoke and effectively turnkey compared to launching their own game. Based on everything we've seen so far the licenses favor the IP-holders in every way. There is literally nothing else on the market quite like pimping out Magic.
>>96734157Where are the Avatar spoilers?
>>96734412I mean... No? It depends on the IP to an extent, but I imagine a lot is left up to WotC and they're given free-ish reign (like mechanics and to an extent who gets depicted or not). Flavour is sometimes more strictly controlled, sometimes it's "hey do your own thing". They may bend the colour pie but no more than any other set.
>>96734114No.
I'm sure glad we live in this timeline and not the most cursed one possible...
>>96734570It's funny because that would still suck ass too.We're so far outside of reasonable that even a fixed version remains steaming shite.
>>96734467Thanks anon, I'm going to spend the money on proxies instead.
>>96734570Who should i kill to live in that reality? I mean just look at this… is hell.
>>96734604Fucking Star Trek is unhinged. How could ANYONE think that was a good idea?
>>96734597Yes but support your local printshop.
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>>96734608Serialized/alt art spock will be worth a mortgage payment 100%
>>96734779If anything's gonna be serialised it'll be the Enterprise.
>>96732498A massive amount of LotR's sales were from non players chasing the 1/1 Ring. The set was successful, yes but not anywhere near the same level as FF.
>>96734806I really don't think that argument holds up as well as people think it does. It contributed but it was hardly the bulk of the sales.
>>96733586>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo31mBwbiC8That must have been a really cool set!>>96733747Good, old mtg players will leave the hobbie and only communists will remain, also the zoomers will focus their attention at mtg for a little while.
>>96734806The One Ring is one of the most despicable things WOTC have done. If anybody thought about it for longer than two seconds, they would have realised there was no way WOTC would risk putting it in a random booster pack that could end up in a landfill. It was always going to miraculously end up in the hands of an influencer.
>>96734608"Well doctor who sold well so clearly-"God I fucking wish UB stayed contained SOLELY to commanderslop. No minisets, no secret lairs, just commander decks that are majority new cards or value reprints at a reasonable price (fuck wotc jewpremium on them)Or just never did UB at all, but if the forces of the universe FORCE me to pick a UB reality then please let it be commanderslop only we don't need 30 fucking versions of spiderman as draft commons in a main set or what 3 versions of cloud when you could just design one commander shitstick and call it done
>>96734889.Who the fuck was going to buy a 1/1 lottery card besides some rich guy influenza?
>>96734940That's not the point. The game was rigged from the start.
>>96734948Rigged against whom? Scalpers? LotRtards who wanted to get the lottery card for 50 bucks?If it turns out that indeed the sale was staged and postal watermelon just got the card from wotc for a publicity stunt, you would have a point.
>>96734851I don't doubt LTR was a well performing set on its own, but I am certain the "bestest selling set evar [at the time]" performance had a lot to do with the collector boosters wildly over performing because of the lottery. It is extremely telling that the cheapest print of The One Ring, to this very day, is the collector booster version.
>>96733053I think the card designs for the Standard set is actually fine from what we've seen so far (obviously there's a lot of potential to make a shitty limited format like SPM though). I like Ninjutsu but it seems a little weird to me that they would make a new name for this instead of just saying "Ninjutsu can apply to noncreature spells now" in a rules update. but the aesthetic and theming is just awful. I find it pretty funny that they revealed the sludge pizzas on the first day and everyone seems to hate them. and the commander cards suck ass. this is the most groan-inducing forced tribal WUBRG design since... well, since they printed the exact fucking same thing in the Spider-Man set lol.
>>96734940Card stores trying to acquire a prize gem. The $1m and $2m bounties were from stores, rather than individual rich guys. Post Malone swooped in and cucked them.
>>96734998You could use that excuse for LTR, but not FIN. At some point anons have to concede there's clearly UB that are extremely popular, with or without gimmicks.
>>96734447Nothing happens on any licensed card against the wishes of the IP license holder, but hasbro has compromised in many ways and done things for UB that were forbidden to UW cards until they needed that tech to boost their brand partners. Hasbro is given the latitude to make the set, but things such as Omenpath sets, the Time Lord type, making their own worlds like EOE in support of advertising worlds (Star Trek), the indication that they won't be able to reprint these cards again late, and many other details show that in the end it's the UB brands who call the shots.
imagine set precons being a non-expensive way for anyone to jump into the game much like 2 player starter kits and not being premium priced fomo products with exclusive cards you can't even pull anywhere else.imagine collector booster cards actually being integrated in the base set as alternative art cards and not being exclusive to some product where 99% of the content isn't even worth 1/100th of the price you're paying for a single booster pack.Imagine only producing a few sealed and curated product types instead of com-precons, draft boxes, bundles, premium bundles, collector boosters, secret lairs, and what else you have no one but scalpers and speculators hoarding products waiting to get burned actually buys.
>>96735034>imagine collector booster cards actually being integrated in the base set as alternative art cards and not being exclusive to some product where 99% of the content isn't even worth 1/100th of the price you're paying for a single booster pack.I actually dislike booster fun and alt arts in boosters and wish they would totally remove them from play boosters
>>96735027Oh no question, FIN pulled it off without any gimmicks. The question now is if FIN was a fluke. Because right now our greatest points of comparison are LTR, which succeeded while benefittinh from a gimmick, and SPM, which flopped but suffered from a major change of plans during development. The Avatar set should be a relatively pure test, since there's no additional goofiness going on with it to my knowledge.
>>96735034I don't have to imagine, I play Pokemon and YugiohThey have their own problems though
>>96735078It's a bit more nuanced than that, FIN was the first one that was Standard legal, which is a pretty big draw. But also it was priced higher than usual, which is a point against it. I don't think there'll be another one on the same level of success as it, but that's what I thought about LTR too, so who knows.
>>96735078I think FIN was more just a perfect storm. FF fans are very desperate for things to collect because there's surprisingly little stuff there, and enough of those people actually became invested in Magic because of the set, etc.
>>96730339>>96730346>>96730401>got bitched at ITT because i said cecil would be good>he's goodI fucking love being right
>>96735141he didn't slot into any Standard decks at the time and as a result didn't have immediate metagame impact and some people are really short-sighted like that. rotation boosts a lot of cards and allows opportunities for even medium shit to perform, like I don't think anyone would have assumed that the dragon tribal quench from Tarkir was gonna see a lot of play but it does. but I digress... when Cecil was spoiled a lot of people said "omgwtfbbq a 1 mana 2/3 deathtouch most op shit ever." and while he is good, he's not THAT crazy. so it kind of became a nexus for shit flinging. but the people who said he was good are more vindicated than those who said he would be unviable imo
>>96735141yeah, usually the more insults and inane disagreements someone gets, they always turn out to be right in the end
new UB slop preview just dropped
>>96735200that's why i'm always right
I find it funny when these article slop websites like MTG rocks won't stop using typal, it's like they have some weird pride in incenting that gay term and won't give into kindred
>MWI wins vintage>goblins gets 11th place
>>96735266"Flash, HasteYou may only cast this card after opponent declares an attack and before blockers are assigned. If you do, remove all attacking creatures from combat then phase out all your creatures until end of the last combat phase this turn. After this combat phase, there is an additional combat phase.Whenever Bobby the Witch deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game."you're welcome btw
>>96735016One Ninjutsu's upside is repeatedly trigger and dodging counterspells so they probably would want to weaken previous Ninjutsu abilities.
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