The Neighborhood Stray Edition>Previous Thread>>96720673 >Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionHave you ever seen or heard of a LARP session going horribly and comedically wrong?
>>96733615>Have you ever seen or heard of a LARP session going horribly and comedically wrong?All of them, duh. What kind of thread question is this?
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Big blond vampire putting down female human hunter and filling her up with his thick giant vampire cock.
>>96733658Got any good stories then?
>>96733734No, no, no, you got it all wrong>female human hunter staking big blonde male vampire and then riding him amazon position
Okay chaps, how do we fix this tribe?
I'm looking to run my first chronicle soon. Is it better to design a chronicle that's more of a sandbox or more of a story?
>>96733785Have you tried...I idk, murder?
>>96733785They're perfect, just don't make it so all the other tribes act like they're better than them and all of their characters are villains. All Garou should be unreasonably violent, the Red Talons have a place at the table for a reason. If you want to make a heroic PC for the tribe, emphasize how the things most important for them are the voices of the animals of the natural world and the wolves, and they're willing to look for compromises that don't require human genocide.
>>96733785Bacon usually works. Have you tried giving them bacon?
>>96733841Story. Sandbox stuff requires more practice as a GM.
>>96733615Should I buy Deviant? Anyone have any insight into how it plays?
>>96733557something like BG3 set in WoD would be amazing but paradox would never let it happenalso, games like BG3 are really outstanding by themselves and only happen once every few years
>>96733785Red Talons are built almost specifically to make sure the Garou can never truly unite, as them united would require they work with humans more closely, and Red Talons would rather destroy any chance of that happening even if it was the only way to save Gaia. 'Fixing' them would mess with their role. Make them too reasonable and they stop being an antagonistic force. Make them more feral and they stop being feasible for keeping around.
>>96734023Let's go 50/50. We supply the Red Talons with bacon, and the Red Talons are allowed to kill certain dog breeders and as many Pentex executives as they want.
>>96734023Because the other Garou have pushed out almost all of the wolf in them and stood by while wolves were exterminated. Which, in case you've forgotten, would cause the Garou to stop existing, except, ironically, for a few Red Talons in India and Africa, who were close to the local Mokole and learned to become dholes and African wild hunting dogs, respectively.They've already had a role beyond Kill All Humans. W5 spoils it by letting humans in, as if they weren't perpetually not quite the Talons' tempo, and just hating humans without having a reason why, i.e. every last one of them lost family and possibly offspring to humans, who kill them without regard, in many cases legally, and would not stop until all of the wolves were dead.
What's the average age group of wod playersjust looking to see what I'm getting myself into
>>96734083Oh no, never said Red Talon anger wasn't unfounded. But I am stating the truth in that their role within the setting's narrative are to be the anger filled disruptors that serve as the voice of the wild animal within all of them. They are the ones most likely to go against a plan due to their own anger, and them being exclusively lupis born in the old lore is there to make sure the human connection garou typically have are absent and have to be treated as such.
>>96734093They're the reminder that humans are the ones that need to change radically. Balance cannot be achieved if humanity continues to act in selfishness, greed, and are agents of destruction. It's not enough for humans to join on the side of the Garou in fighting Pentex, the BSD, fomori or whatever other easy target there is. The need to kill the Wyrm in their head.
>>96733785Do we need to though? It's just going to turn into W5 type of mess where everything is stamped down, shaved into a bland pile of shitpaste.Red Talons are fine.
>>96734092Hmm, they are probably.Grognards: The old crowd from before 5th Edition or even 20th Edition was a thing. They are between 30 to 50 year old. Mostly ST than players. They are usually the guys who backed the Kickstarters for 20th Edition (lmao, Technocracy crushed the Traditions there)OG Bloodlinesfags and oldfags: Usually between 20 to 30 year old. They came to the scene with Bloodlines and mainly played Revised and 20th Edition. A mix of players and ST, they are slowly turning to grognards thanks to how shit 5th Edition is and how old even 20th Edition. Some turn to 5th to try to "keep up with the times"Newfags: They started with 5th Edition 7 years ago and didn't know any better. Usually between 16 to 25 years old, they either become defenders of the 5th Edition, or turn to older editions, usually converted by Oldfags and Grognards.We will have a new wave with Bloodlines 2 in a week or so.
>>96734121>The need to kill the Wyrm in their head.True. As long as the Wyrm is in our heads we won't be able to fully embrace the Weaver.
>>96733855There's part of the solution here.Talons should be the path all about doing things outside of human thinking. Just about every other tribe outside of the Wendigo filters their world view through a human lens of some kind, Talons should be THE natural world and umbra faction. They see and figure out the angles nobody else can quite reach. They're the best at rooting out and dealing with the wyrm and wyld horrors in the dark places, the off-trails of america, the deep old woods of europe and russia, the stuff nature creepypastas are made of.Also should have a "return to nature" angle they actively push on garou and even humans, but that's too elaborate to get into when I'm already over my bedtime (don't laugh kids you'll hit my age soon enough). Suffice to say make them appeal more to those who wear those faggy wolf t-shirts.But yeah they need something more then a fuck humanity gimmick that everyone rightfully interprets as them being BSD-lite.
>>96733785It is ridiculous that they're still around while the Get are put in the naughty corner.
>>96733615>Have you ever seen or heard of a LARP session going horribly and comedically wrong?There are larps that don't end like this?
>>96734428They're kind of already all of that, the issue is that one of their (valid) non-human outlooks is that the rest of nature would be better off if humans didn't exist.That's the part people, and many writers, get stuck on. They're the voice of nature and human civilization has done nothing but commit genocide on nature for the past thousand years. Genuinely look at it from the non-human perspective: They've been murdering everything in sight for Centuries and the moment you return-to-sender in a desperate attempt at self defense, Now suddenly You're the murderous psychopath for Wanting To Survive. That's why the talons are so pissed all the time, humans suggesting "Peace" after they spent their entire existence being the most wyrmish pieces of shit possible is a fucking Insult.They're wrong, for the same reason every radical ideology is wrong, but they're wrong in an understandable way. The issue is that most readers are human.
>>96734428>every other tribe outside of the Wendigo filters their world view through a human lensNative Americans confirmed for non-humans BASED
>>96734519>They're wrong...They're not that wrong.>>96734428>But yeah they need something more then a fuck humanity gimmick that everyone rightfully interprets as them being BSD-lite.I normally detest making analogies with Vampire cultural corners with the Clans, but ever since DA: Werewolf, the Red Talons have been like the Garou Nation's Malkavians, in the capacity that Malks ended up as seers and heralds of what's to come, and so, too, did the Talons. Their nonpareil connection to the wolf within while all the other Garou have viewed it as negotiable has left them with keen insight into what is hidden and what eludes others.
>>96734444The Red Talons may hate humans, but at least they aren't RAYCISS>t. Karim Muammar
>>96734552It's bullshit that the Prophecy of the Phoenix wasn't given to them. Fuck Silent Striders, they aren't good for shit.
>>96734444You know what they say. Death of the author.>"But the authors are still alive?"Only until the bubbles stop.
>>96734586Reminds me of a meme format a pal made up once, went something like:>Black Furies:>Seething wojak: Please let me into the tribe, I'm your son!>Yelling wojak: You're a MISTAKE, a wretched evil irredeemable MALE and you're the root of everything Wyrm! Now get out of here before you rape someone!>Get of Fenris:>Femchad: Let me in the tribe or I'll beat the fuck out of you>Nordchad: Beat the fuck out of me and we'll let you in
Two newcomer questions:1. What is this wyrm thing? It's particular look keeps popping up in illustrations but nothing statted or in the wikis seems to fit the bill. Just supposed to be a default for banes or something?2. Do Lupus have the same violent First Change as their human counterparts?
>>96734811fucks sake, forgot pic
How do I sabbat?
>>96734863By being a retard.
>>96734811The Wyrm is the spirit, as well as force, of destruction, dissolution, occasionally referred to as entropy because WW authors didn't know what that was back in the day.Or rather, it was. The Weaver, which was like the Wyrm but toward order, form, and various degrees of stasis, became extremely cross that patterns it created would end up being torn down and recycled before it could really study them. So, it put its all into binding the Wyrm.It succeeded. Bound as it was, the Wyrm thrashed around, uncertain of what was going on. Eventually, it began to process the breakdown in this relationship. It viewed itself as a failure, and in that moment, in tendem with its desire for freedom, its self-depracating thoughts formed the Triatic Wyrms, based on its increasingly broken perception of the Triat of which it was a part. Eater-of-Souls was the broken reflection of the Weaver that trapped it, consuming everything endlessly but never being satisfied; the formless Wyld that gave the raw essence of creation that could be shaped was seen as a ravening thing of fury, those ruminations creating the Beast-of-War.And toward its own broken self, it produced the funhouse mirror reflection that was the Defiler Wyrm. Rather than destroy and break, it slid down the Weaver's webs, doing the one thing that the Wyrm couldn't, be free. However, it also ruined the webs where it touched them, corroding their substance and twisting them into something wrong.This process continued with its various emotions until the Wyrm was not really there. It's even more broken, now; unable to free itself, in constant pain, and dependent on a staff of malign sycophants born of its own self-loathing to do anything. It doesn't care about how it gets free anymore; it just wants to break its bindings. What happens afterward, however, is unlikely to be its return to health, if it does it on its own.
>>96734885>occasionally referred to as entropy because WW authors didn't know what that was back in the dayIt fits tho
>>96734811Forgot to answer second question.Yes. In fact, wolf packs will often ostracize a lupus Garou when the change is imminent. Relations might get better afterward, if the lupus spends time mending that fence, but wolves aren't more inclined than humans to spend time around a potential hazard to life and limb. At other times, violence comes to the Garou's pack and the change happens in the heat of that, giving them a convenient different and frequently more deserving target to vent their Rage on.Also, the look in the illo is just one example of many of forms that banes can take.
GAS THE HUMANS RACE WAR NOW GAROU PRIDE GAIA WIDE THE IMPERGIUM NEVER HAPPENED BUT THEY DESERVED IT
>>96734915Not really. As an expression of degrees of freedom, the concept actually has more to do with the Wyld!
>>96734920Dog fucker hands typed this post
>>96734920Funny thing is there's like five tribes one could attribute that attitude to. Werewolves are morons who could've fixed the world a thousand times over.
>>96734920NEVER ask a Garou what species his girlfriend is
>>96734999According to every game the protagonists broke the world and are responsible for their own downfall and avoid doing incredibly obvious things that could help so that the setting can be tragic.Move beyond this Thunderdome.
>>96734730They're oddly very Australian in that sense, aren't they?
>>96735058The Werewolves are probably the worst about it, just because of how self-righteous they are about it. They're like a stinkier version of the Order of Hermes
>>96735058Not true, mummies are good
>>96735058Vampires aren't really responsible for more than their curse really it was all Caine and the antediluvians. Mages also did nothing wrong
Would you eat Garg-O’s brand Friggin’ Chicken?
>>96735084>Vampires>not responsible for more than their curseWhich makes the world an unquestionably shittier place. The setting continually belabors that the Kindred are a substantial net negative on the world around them. It's not just that their forebears broke the world, they continually squat in place of anything that would make it better. The terrible shit that other games' protagonists did are things that Kindred keep doing.>Mages did nothing wrongAs a start, let's talk about the Himalayan Wars.>>96735074Only because they end up spending massive amounts of time inactive. And even then, the Spell of Life gave rise to the version that creates Bane Mummies.>>96735071You should see the drama of Changeling. The fae of the Dark Ages started weaponizing baptisms and other religious rites against each other until they broke the Dreaming. And then they continue to drive the commoner vs noble divide.
>>96734121Take one look at the Garou history and see why so many humans chose the wyrmThe Wyrm was never able to kill off a single breed, But the Garou genocided 6Werewolf is the most moraly right splat but they allways fuck themselves and others so badly its reasonable you side with the world destroying super company
>>96735239I mean, they did that because of the Wyrm. The War of Rage was orchestrated by the Wyrm, the Garou might have fallen for the manipulation and the trickery, but it literally wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the Wyrm turning the Fera against each other. It's what the Wyrm does, he makes use of the tools that he has at hand to cause as much death and destruction as possible, he can't just send a legion of Banes across the Gauntlet to invade the physical world on a whim.
Do the Dreamspeakers cover western spiritualists and mediums who deal with ghosts rather than animistic nature spirits or would that better fit some other Tradition?
>>96735283You can do that, just talks a bit with your ST
>>96735283Depends on whether your instruments and paradigm are more compatible with theirs, or with some other tradition.Like, the hermetics probably have a house that deals with ghosts, I imagine choristers have some exorcists, etc.
>>96734885I thought when the Weaver went mad it tried to bind the Wyld first but couldnt trap it so it bound the Wyrm instead. Im a vtmfag so my mileage with other splats varies. Also isnt there one apocalypse scenario where the perfect metis would actually restore the wyrm to its former self?
>>96735306Yes but when it comes to Triatic lore, the Wyrm gets 60% of the attention, the Weaver gets 30% and the Wyld gets 10%. The Wyld's a non-entity that doesn't really do much in the setting as a mover or shaker, so it can be brushed over without much of a problem.>Also isnt there one apocalypse scenario where the perfect metis would actually restore the wyrm to its former self?The "best end" to the Weaver Ascendant scenario involves liberating the Wyrm so that it can destroy the Pattern Web before the Weaver dominates the entire Tellurian. This snaps both of them out of their madness, at the cost of enacting a hard reset of the World of Darkness that deletes civilisation and everything supernatural except for spirits.
Werewolffags are almost as annoying as magefagsAlmost
>>96735283In 1st edition, yes. After 2nd they became the Minoriteam.
>>96735353Sorry that a dog raped you.
>>96735370Don't you have children to molest, furfaggot?
how do you quantify banalityi feel like the very act itself is inherently banal
>>96735353Honestly, if the World of Darkness was more popular, it would really help to have its own general for each splat. Having a bunch of very different games sharing the same thread because they share the same system and the same base setting just leads to a whole lot of bitching and moaning.
>>96735282Everything is blamed on the Wyrm and no responsibility is placed on the Werewolves >Maybe the neolithic rage bezerkers could have saved Gaia by not killing allies >BUT NOOOOO we need to fight something, driving the genocided humans and Fera to the WyrmIf every one of your 30+ EX girlfriend/boyfriend's was manipulative, abusive,rotten there comes a point you must ask>Maybe it's me at fault
>>96735412Nah, werewolves are to blame for the War of Rage but it's retarded to think that they just did it because they wanted to with zero manipulation from the Wyrm. It's almost like there's a middle ground between "werewolves are innocent dindus and it's all the Wyrm's fault" and "werewolves are solely responsible for everything bad ever."
>>96735411I would also put the onus on WW/OP/Paradox for over emphasizing the metaplot and clearly playing favorites
>>96735411I think that's what sets this general and /co/ threads apart from DnD and PF in a good way, the arguments and loredumps/memes are fun
I have never had a tabletop role playing experience.
>>96735440If you say so. I think that at the very least, it's clear that the CofDfags and VtMfags would rather have their own generals. Can't go more than a couple of days without some rambling about the superiority of CofD or why the rest of WoD should be written to be more like VtM (read: more like Bloodlines).
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>>96735465>>96735472what are you even doing here then
>>96735423Nah the books had the Wyrm help accelerate what was already brewing If they didn't get what they wanted then they took it by force The Wereboars were Genocided only after helping the bears escape They killed,ate and enslaved every single one with the rest becoming skull pigsIt's surprising how little was required One dead wolf at the boarder One powerful wolf being told that he can bring his son back but the bears tell him that's impossible Bats using furry blood magic Snakes existing Bulls having cool trinkets That shit with black toothAnd can't forget the Bunyip
>>96735486BL and HtP
>>96735486VTMB and HTP
>>96735507>it's surprising that a major diplomatic incident orchestrated by the god of all things evil led to warlmao
>>96735486i just lurk because it's the only way i can get invested in a setting i think is really coolAND i enjoy asking stupid questions too
>>96735562asking stupid questions is part of the experience
>>96735486It’s really easy to bait fa/tg/uys and this is pretty much the only social interaction I can legally have.
>>96735528>god of all things evilThe Wyrm isn't evil. The Wyrm represents the pressure by which evolution occurs. A series of tests of character were set out before the Garou and they failed every single time.
>>96735579>this is pretty much the only social interaction I can legally have.Are you in house arrest, or something?
>>96735411>it would really help to have its own general for each splat.Even if it were more popular, it'd be a real dick move to add 5+ generals to the board. Not to mention, how would that work across game versions? Vampire general would need to decide if it's just Vampire the Masquerade or if it's the Vampire general and Requiem's allowed. Is V5 allowed? Not to mention only three gamelines at best would be able to support regular generals, everyone else would have to go kick sand. As much as I may not care for every gameline, or even most of them, staying together is just the correct play.
>>96735588I’m a pathological misanthrope who instigates fights in real life because I’m that much of an aggrotard asshole.
>>96735606seems perfect for a W:tA player
>>96735528It usually only takes one or none at allThat's his point
>>96735507>It was already going to happen!>Message that would have commanded dingus bloodthirsty underling of a Garou king to stand down disappeared because of a corrupted Nagah>Corrupted Nagah also the one to kill the king's sonThere were certainly some volatile personalities, but to suggest that it was absolutely inevitable and always what was going to happen is just believing BSD copium a few millennia before they existed.>>96735587>The Wyrm represents the pressure by which evolution occursNot even remotely.>Tests of characterThat's not what a Diabolus Ex Machina is, anon.
>>96735606lupine hands typed this post
>>96735631>Not even remotely.The Wyld is growth. Unchecked, it is cancer.The Weaver is order. Unchecked, it strangles.The Wyrm is opposition. Unchecked, it overwhelms.
>>96735606well at least you’re honest
Can a vampire drain shell fish for blood
>>96735681If your ST allows it, but I’ve only allowed players to sippy on warm-blooded mammals.
>>96733615Drawfag here, with another sketch. This time, Drones. I felt that their portrayal in the sourcebooks to be sort of underwhelming. Here, I imagined them as looking very much like mannequins, even down to having plastic-looking skin. Their insides have also become solid plastic, one single mass all through. They lose their eyes, but they don't need them anymore anyways. I felt this made them very sinister, and very distinct from Fomori and Gorgons. Anyways, hope you like the sketch! More to come with this and my other peices!
>>96735681>>96735703Vampires can drain anything with blood but shellfish are a odd area I'd say yes just because it's funny
>>96735681Are you playing a Mariner Gangrel?
>>96735283You could do that but generally no. Mediums are more of an Orphan/Euthanatos/Hollow Ones thing. Occasionally some other traditions. If you wanna go full ghostbuster instead, Etherite is the way to go.
>>96735606You would make a great garou.
>>96735606god imagine how fucking fat this dudes cock is haha
>>96735725Very good! Let us know if you want requests or ideas for future drawings. It's always a joy to have someone creating OC.
