You ever wonder why there's so much 'church bad' stuff? Like you'd think that given how fantasy deities demonstrably exist and do indeed grant supernatural powers, there would be less basic-ass iconoclasm.
>>96755849idk idc ask the worldbuilding general
>>96755849Even in settings where gods are demonstrably real, it doesn't mean that they're constantly communicating directly with their followers all the time. And faith =/= a church. A church is a human construct, a hierarchy made by fallible, corruptible people.And a lot of the times a setting has "church bad" as a setting point, it's usually that the worship of that specific church has been coopted by a different group or entity.
>>96755849Social engineering, mostly. Explaining further than that would invite a complicated discussion.
>>96755849>This thread once moreNo, I didn't
>>96755849Because the vast majority of people writing fantasy RPGs in English are atheists perpetually seething at the historically Christian countries they reside in.
Isn't it usually "Church Good" in fantasy?
>>96755888Checked and correct.Most JRPGs with a Christian-styled church make them adorably good to the point of naivety.
>>96755908Most? One of the big jrpg tropes is "we have to kill God!"
>>96755902usually the institution of the church is flawed but individual members are good (and often chafe under the restrictive church leadership/have special divine guidance/some other fucking thing)
>>96755902I wish moot was still here.
>>96755917No it isn't lmfao.
>AlignmentsThink man, gods can be evil or good. In a good setting, you'll find both sides of the spectrum.
>>96755902yep, and when the church is 'bad' usually its just been corrupted by a couple of assholes rather than it being inherently evil.there are a couple of exceptions but they're far from the norm.
Because mortals are corrupt, and in many settings with real demonstratable gods the writers are retards who want to have their cake and eat it too by keeping said god distant like how we see in real life because they think it makes it more "deep". You'd think for example, a real deity would literally have its equivalent of angels and such hiding/running around to keep mortals in check so they aren't ruining the god's rep, or outright blaspheming and committing evil in their name.
>>96755902begone cuckee
>>96755849Cultural paradigm shift. Church used to be the good guys of the old world order until its enemies (Freemasonry, Democracy, Judaism, Socialism) took power and occupied all institutions and rewrote history.Christian morality was replaced with cultural relativism, progress and antinomianism.
>>96756239That's true in some very recent fiction, but not in the printed material of any tabletops. Hell, even D&D's not gone down that path. The Church Bad thing, especially in stuff older than 2022 is weeb infection more than anything else.
>>96755849Medieval fantasy is based on medieval times when the church really was the biggest force of evil in the western world and near east
>>96756020>I'm just going to expound on a genre I know nothing about!You do you, bud.
>>96755849It really boils down to individual clergymenBishop Myriel or Friar Tuck were genuinely pursuing good even if that meant bending the rules here and there.Vs likes of Cardinal Richelieu or Claude Frollo who were undeniably selfish and used hierarchy of church as a cover.Unruly but fundamentally good novice vs evil that corrupred high ranking clergy makes for great narrative.
>>96756063>>96755920These to responses contradict.
in 40k church good.
>>96756258There's a pretty wide body of historical occasions where the church was subverted by politics, greed or hubris, a good half of the splits in any sect were likely caused by such incidents.
>>96756688ironic, considering The Emperor was a fierce atheist
>>96755849Like any LARGE and POWERFUL organization. It'll have some bad people in it. It will also have some good people. But mostly it'll have normal people who will be able to do both good or bad depending on what's going on. Soon, the Church will be good again for counter-cultural reasons because everyone is getting sick of "Church Bad" Nonsense.
In my game it's going to be good.
>>96756742How good?
>>96756797So good, it's bad.
>>96756721In BG3 the church is good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9cCcGIstCwAre religious people shown to be wrong here?
>>96755993Hiro is a fucking paperweight and I hate it.
>>96756839
>>96755849Nah, other way around. IRL religious doctrine can be shaped by human sentiment, if the gods were active forces they would be seen as benevolent dictators at best. Which would not be often.
because the church is bad, what don't you get?
>>96756928which one?
because people still remember the time when the Church owned like 70% of the land, taxed the people living there and still felt the need of scamming them out of their money with Indulgence
>>96756942Perfect answer. In fantasy some churches are evil while some are good.
>>96756943https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaTn3oRPtzgIr was Based
>>96755849It's impossible for someone to "deserve" obsessive scraping and bowing just because they exist and are powerful. Why would you put up with anything from a god you wouldn't put up with from a king, other than out of fear which proves they aren't worthy of respect if they use it to compel worship?Transactional religion where you make payment for services rendered, or the slightly more abstracted version where you look out for a god as if they're a member of the community and receive passive benefits as you would from any community member in good standing is fine, but if the deity asks people to grovel on their knees you need to bust out the torches and pitchforks and chase their clergy out of town to send a message as you would with any other tyrant. If that fails, sending a plucky band of teenagers to kill god has a pretty good track record in fictional worlds.
I mostly wonder where you're seeing all this "church bad" media, because I haven't. Even in Warhammer all the established churches are solidly good even if plenty of the priests are corrupt or mental.
>>96755849Why would there be?The church in real life can pawn off issues on the fact that God is ineffable and the mysteries of god are inherently beyond our understanding etc.But in, for example, Forgotten Realms you can directly see the "Good" gods participate in the horrifying scheme that is the wall of the faithless., you can see them take the side of the divine order over humanity, you can be screwed by a decision they made even if they were well intentioned.In real life purgatory and hell are presuppositions we made about the nature of life and the universe. Here theyre real and the gods are telling you to your face "Yeah what the fuck are you gonna do about it?"
Does your setting have a holy empire?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJSFLS9A3GM
>>96755849It's all by design because God and the church challenges the power of those who want to undermine it.
>>96756928Why is the church bad?
>>96755888Trips of truth
>>96756435Typically the godlike entity you kill is very much NOT God, which is usually why it needs to be put down. Even in SMT it's an arrogant demiurg rather than capital-G God. You might argue that's splitting hairs but it's an important distinction to make, especially if you're trying to lazily liken an animist, polytheistic cultural foundation with an abrahamic, monotheistic one.
>>96756942>>96756944Obviously the evil church is good (but misunderstood) while the good church is evil. Because basic bitch subversion drenched in daddy/authority issues makes me an enlightened intellectual.
Easy twist because they are an authority figure you are supposed to trust.You can make it work but it's like "the butler did it" of world building, you have to put in a lot of work for it to not suck and to present it in an interesting way
>>96757024>the church of our holy lady of mercy is actually trying to bring about the unraveling of reality by freeing the demon king from his infernal prison>only the church of st. Bastard the baby rapist stands in their way
Western mass culture is produced by the Jews in United States of America.(Catholic) Church had been a boogeyman for Americans even before they got conquered by God's Chosen.And then there's Japanese, for whom Christianity (represented mostly by Catholic missionaries) is a hostile idea attempting to take over their traditional society.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were biggest strongholds of Japanese Catholics, by the way. In case you wondered why these two were chosen as targets.
>>96755849Because historically large churches used to and continue to shit it up for the common folk. From hypocrisy through moral decay and slowing down progress and up to meddling in national politics to the point of becoming a political power. While good at preserving knowledge and consolidating national identity big religions fuck it up in the end.
The most amazing thing about this thread is that there hasn't been a single 'nun porno' picture posted yet.
>>96757251this site is mostly gays and schizo incels that both hate women for different reasons
>>96755849Because stupid atheists and the common trope that the Catholic Church only did horrible things in the Middle Ages and had no redeeming qualities (which of course isn’t true) or that Christianity led to some dark age and book burning (also wrong) and that the crusades were some horrific crime (they were just)I for one teased church bad for genre convention because my players expected it and then pivoted to church good
>>96756825Wait. That's just bad.
>>96757251don't worry anon, I got you.
>>96755888>>96757280TBF it's also largely down to protestantism in English speaking countries depicting the Catholic one as evil (let's be honest, all Church bad stories have said Church based off of the Catholic one and not the Protestant ones that are arguably far more corrupt nowadays). You never see criticism of Protestant Evangelicals despite them being far more intrusive in the modern United States.>>96757209Meds.
>>96757199>is actually trying to bring about the unraveling of reality by freeing the demon king from his infernal prisonNo no, you've got it all backwards still. God is the evil one and the demon king was trapped in his infernal prison for protecting humanity
>>96757312Let me do you one better:>The demon king and God are both evil>Because the demon king is actually just God putting on a mask>Just because he thinks it's really funny when humans fight and kill each other
>>96757209So it was Japanese mole, who targeted Japanese Catholics with nukes? Got it, thanks for info.
>>96757280>did horrible things in the Middle Ages and had no redeeming qualities The bad highly outweighed the good. Preservation of knowledge and limited scope of research that Church enabled did not balance itself out with moral decay, fear-mongering, political corruption and stifling of societal progress. >that Christianity led to some dark age and book burningFor certain societal groups it did. Philosophical hegemonies never worked out well. Of course the Church preserved a lot of information as well. And the idea of Dark Ages is mostly pop cultural bs. >that the crusades were some horrific crime (they were just)lol. Lmao even.
>>96757280>>96757345Crusades were an aimless mess, but they were in response to the islamic world coming at Spain and the Byzantines - if Europe hadn't responded with a pushback they would have kept going, though the pushback was absolutely completely uncoordinated and chaotic
>>96756959Are you really such an ungrateful little bitch you can't imagine someone so supreme they deserve your worship?
>>96757359Strategically sound is better word than just, in that case. And that I would concede. >>96757365Not everyone is a little submissive bitch like yourself anon.
If "church bad" is coming up in your games then blame your GM. I can't think of any mass media where it's remotely true.
>>96757321Now you're trying too hard and dipping into warhams grimderp
>>96757345>lol. Lmao even.Brown hands typed that post.
>>96757365there is no amount of supremacy that means something deserves worship
>>96757447Not even close, mongrel. But keep licking those priestly boots.
>>96757015That’s based on a misunderstanding by western fans about the monad and YHWH. YHWH is explicitly meant to be the judeo-Christian god.
>>96757469Then take a shower shitskin.
>>96757465More specifically to expand on this, SMT is one of the few JRPGs out there where you’re explicitly killing the Christian god. According to my Japanese friends the other instances of god being the final boss in JRPGs is based on some Shinto myth thing but in SMT it’s killing capital G-Jehovah.
>>96755917>game about killing god>look inside>demon/corrupted deity/man who gained supreme power/an alien
>>96757365Imagine being the kind of slave that thinks anyone or anything inherently deserves anything just by existing without earning it in return.
>>96755917That's a Japanese trope.
>>96757456>>96757495We are taught that we deserve hell unless we worship. Hell is an infinite punishment. This can only mean that not worshipping must be an infinite crime, regardless of whether our limited minds understand why.
I am a fan of the way Eberron handles religion. The Eberron method is more "realistic," for lack of a better term: different competing models of the divine, some of which are compatible with one another, some of which boil down to faith in gods whose existence can never be truly verified.A religion is more akin to a real-world religion in that it presents its own "rules of the divine," which may or may not be compatible with other religions. There is no one universal pantheon in Eberron that all gods get filed into.Do you like it when a fantasy setting uses this method for distinguishing its religions?
>>96757534>hell in Buddhism>you just go there to suffer for a few thousand years before you reincarnate>punishment is not infinite>punishment diff depending on your transgressions>hell in Christianity>if you don’t worship sky daddy you go to hell forever for the crime of being created and forced to inhabit a painful existence and not being okay with that>punishment is foreverMakes one think.
>>96757564>Calvinism>Free will is a lie, god creates most people specifically to go through their pre planned lives and then to hell>Still all loving tho
>>96757534The bible was written by man and even per the bible man is flawed. The whole it being "word of god" literally is a newer concept. The Bible has also been edited, censored, had entire sections removed and added in that it's a jumble of different cultures, time periods and views.An "infallible book", that immediately starts off with two distinct creation stories, has far more than ten commandments, most of which aren't good moral teachings, and that has been edited and reedited so many times over its entire history. Full of plagiarized ideas from cooler regional religions, depicting a slap fight between many different sources trying to keep their particular version of the fanfic propaganda in line.
God, the worst part about tradcath larpers coming into vogue is how they brought back 00s reddit atheists with them
>>96757303Protestants were(still are) the discount atheists anyway.At this point Prots and Evans are basically state, not church.
Rhetoric isn't education.
>>96756943The church tax was 10%, or the diezmo where I lived. The majority of this kind of terrain was used asa comon of sorts, just the church had the right of 10 of everything you produced in there, but alos you got the protection and to not to pay lots of the taxes than non church lands had, so they were generally a lot better to work for than nobles and mercantile people, especially of you had the local laws(than in my country were called fueros) than gave people lots of protection, tough it changed a lot around the territory. Outside of europe, I see a lot of people thinking the medieval age/laws were some kind of universal, but they were extremely local and changed a lot, even from village to village. There was a village in Guipozkua I think, basque country, where if a woman has his baby born in a rock, it was considered Hidalgo/lowest level of nobility, just for that.
>>96756702The Emperor created the church by the way.Since the fucker saw his empire was going to crumble as soon as he was sat on the golden throne he started to influence people into the Imperial cult to keep unity.Something nuGW hacks forget because they do not know their own ip
>>96755849Because it makes for more interesting stories.
>>96756239>Freemasonrylol this faggot's still mad about a boys club for architects in 2025
>>96755849Can you give specific examples?
>>96756239>Freemasonry>enemy of Christianity>who's Jacques de MolayFucking burgers are fucking retarded. You absolute mongoloid.
religiosity correlates with low iq. just saying.
>>96757199>Our Saviour of the Bountiful Sacrifice of the Ugly Bastard is actually dedicated to a Martyr who violated a woman that was due to give birth to the Demon Lord if she remained so and was killed by cultists for fucking up their plansTruly the hero we never asked for and don't want.
>>96755849>You ever wonder why there's so much 'church bad' stuff?Name ONE example from tabletop games, please.
>>96758499The NGOs bringing nonwhites into Europe are overwhelmingly Christian so I don't know what point you think you're making with this.
>>96758533>The NGOs bringing nonwhites into Europe are overwhelmingly JewishFTFY
>>96755849I genuinely can't remember a single time a module or campaign I played had an explicit "church bad" plotline unless you count cults of evil gods of murder or undead or some shit
>>96756942All of them. Read God & The State.
>>96758489He won't answer, he won't even return to this thread he shat out.
>>96756694That is very real, and often a plot point dealing with the church. But that isn't the narrative trope I'm talking about, kiddo.Church Bad is more about The Church as being presented as a systemically rotten to the core, which is exceedingly rare in fantasy fiction outside of anime let alone the worldbuidling of tabletop RPGs.>>96756943That is a hella post-modern revision of history that doesn't hold up to scrutiny, and it still hasn't really gotten any traction in the worldbuilding of fantasy games.
>>96758141Literally every DND.
>>96759179Can you give some specific examples from D&D though
>>96757951Sauce for this info?Iirc, he simply did not quash it in it's infancy.
>>96758499You mean a new subservient worker class to replace the children your stupid white bitches aren't having?This take is dumb, because you can not blame white women for a problem they made, with your gynocratic, mother worshiping mindset.
>>96759222Go read DND.
>>96759297I did. Where are all the evil churches? Every church dedicated to a good god is good. So where them corrupt churches at?
>>96755849Not everyone's fault religion is evil op
>>96755849Religions that invade the territories of other faiths and try to replace and demonize the indigenous religions are pretty evil by definition
>>96755849church bad, orcs good
>>96755849Because megacorpos are inherently evil. And churches churches are the OG megacorpo.
>>96759306>t. never played DND
>>96755849>be sheltered white middle class dude in his ~ 30s>grew up in christian household>religion was "that thing you had to do or mum, dad and your grandparents get angry">its the "be a good little timmy and behave" and "no fun allowed" stuff>small little you gave no fuck about any actual religious context>come into your rebellious and edgy teen phase>being a 90s/ early 2000s kid means counter culture is becoming an atheist and shitting on relgion>dont become a chud later on>hear about all those pedophile priest cases that surfaced in church mid 2000- 2010s>you are now in a perfect position to use the church as "socially acceptable and powerful organization that presents itself as good but is actually corrupt and evil"Seems like pretty logical pipeline to me
>>96759422Good job finding yourself, nogames tard.
>>96756966It's coming from retarded nogames who are buttblasted tabletop games don't conform to their /pol/ retardation
>>96759797That's kind of the deal when you treat the church as a social obligation and chore you are expected to partake as opposed to genuine desire to actually learn and practice the faith.That and pretending the "do as I say, not as I do" actually means something when you get first hand accounts of the sort of people who say they are going to heaven just like you.
>>96757734The fedora tipping atheist of the 00s became the tradcaths of today.
>>96758499>QUICKLY, BLAME BROWN PEOPLE FOR EVERYTHING>What about Epstein?>ACK-
>>967592592nd Codex sisters of battle page 5.If you read the entire thing it basically says the Emperor created the church after the horus heresy to prevent the imperium to fall into infighting.It also kind of implies that the priest of the church where kind of tolerant of different believes in order to incorporate them into the church.The entire thing looks like the original "totally a plan" the Emperor used to have before the Horus Heresy Black Library books made the Emperor into a total retard
>>96762881>It also kind of implies that the priest of the church where kind of tolerant of different believes in order to incorporate them into the church.Unless something has changed recently, that's still the case. The main thing they try to do when they find random primitive or isolated religions is double check it for hidden symbolism or messages from chaos, then try to equivocate the local gods and prophets and heroes with the Emperor and primarchs and imperial saints. Your sun god becomes the Emperor, your world creation myth gets shifted over time to fit the origins of the imperium, the heroes of your stories start to wear power armor in new renditions, etc. The trappings and specific details are not as important as making sure the local practices lock out chaos and xeno religions as much as possible.
>>96755849Okay OP you wanna play games and act stupid? Let me flip the script on you.How come religionfags have such a problem with fantasy games?
>>96763045I would even go so far as to say that if anti religious sentiment exists within the community it's pushback against the hostility of religionfags trying to ruin everyone's fun.
>>96763002This sounds like the kind of thing that only works as long as nobody starts comparing notes. At which juncture there'll be accusations of Heresy (or at lewst Heterodoxy) all round.
>>96763045satanic panic was never a thing. But le chud panic is a real thing we are still experiencing
>>96755849>You ever wonder why there's so much 'church bad' stuff?No. Because the church *is* bad. It protects as many or more pedos as the government does. The only thing organized religion gives people besides brainwashing and misery, is an excuse to be shitty people to one another.Ok, and sexy priestesses, I'll grant. But nothing positive beyond that. Religion should be entirely private and personal between yourself and whatever God you choose, and anyone trying to organize beyond that should be crucified as a warning.
>>96755908Vast majority of Japanese are Atheists, but they are not the pissy kind that hated going to church growing up. I didn't like going to church as a kid, but my family weren't really religious.>>96756266It was one of the biggest forces for good and evil. You have to remember that a lot of things it did were try to prevent incest, witch burnings, as well as preserving information, history, and science from the fall of the Western Roman Empire. And while a lot of things the crusaders did were abominable, but look at a map of Europe and the Mediterranean at 1095. The Islamic Golden Age came at the direct cost of imperial powers plundering Christendom.
>>96763085>satanic panic was never a thingFuck the fuck all the way off, zoomer. Some of us lived through it. It absolutely was a thing. I wish it had stuck just so it would keep smarmy children like yourself out of the hobby.
>>96763085Did the world not exist before you were born or something you disingenuous retard?
>>96763085It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where you can just omit things that disagree with your world view.
>>96763107>>96763112>>96763122go back to redit. No one intelligent believes your satanic panic myth, athiests.
>>96763085Thanks for letting everyone know you are underage and retarded, nogames.
>>96763067I'm pretty sure they try not to let anyone compare notes unless they're part of the missionary organization or sufficiently adjusted that they can see that those other guys Allfather is the same as their Father of All Mankind.
>>96763002That has not change, but then again the Imperium does not care what you do as long you worship the Emperor in some form, pay your taxes, no chaos, keep your xenos shit to a minimum and under imperial control.
>>96763202Then by your "logic" you believe the satanic panic happened.
>>96763092Can't be ass to find the studies since 4chan wont let me post pdf and considers the websites spams. But statistically speaking your kids are safer with any kind of priest than with a random public school teacher.Teacher are so much more of a pedo than a priest that priest by comparison look like a statistically anomaly. Still one is one too many, but the issue has been blown out of proportion compared to the absolute pedo mess that are public schools.And the issue is not just and USA thing the pedo teachers is a world wide issue
>>96763202I was alive and old enough to be cognizant of what was going on around me. The Satanaic Panic happened. I got sent to a fucking religious conversion camp because my parent's church found out I played AD&D. The fucker told my mom that the advanced version is the one where the game makes you recite real sorcery to play the game.
>>96763423No it didn't. You are making it up. You are not the only old person around. I lived through that time too.Its a myth. Bunch of cranks the leftwing media hyped up that had no real influence and never amounted to anything.>>96763348this is peak dunning kruger posting. No retard, i just said it never happened. Its a myth, you idiot>>96763292low iq d&d atheist lying retard cunt
>>96763423No it didn't. You can't gaslight people into thinking it ever did. Fuck off back to redit with the old aged out homos
>>96763423>this guy told my mom, that d&d had sorceryWere you literally shaking reddit? i got chils reading your post.This definitely happened and isnt a lie made up to fit an agenda.
>>96763484>>96763486>>96763506>You're lying about it ever happening. Your evidence is overblown. Even if it did happen, it isn't/wasn't a big deal. Why do you even care?The actual playbook of historic revisionism.
If the """Satanic panic""" was real, you faggots would be able to post some proof. So go ahead. Post proof that can't be digitally altered to fit your agenda, so we can see whether it really happened. I'll bet you can't though, because you faggots are lying.
>>96763112>>96763057>>96763045>AIsloppa
>>96763528https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HfU0UjcCeE
>>96763519which is exactly what satanic panic is leftwing media sensationalism. Like the guy that wanted to ban gta, never amounted to anything.yet the leftwing have banned and censored countless things
>>96758143It's a generic-monotheist-but-actually-satanist club. Of course it's an enemy of Christianity. You don't have to be actively violently against something outwardly to be an enemy of it - you can also be a subverter that looks to corrupt and change it.
>>96755860>A church is a human construct, a hierarchy made by fallible, corruptible people.This. It's not about religion. It's about authority.
>>96755849People upset they had to get up early on sundays to go to church
>>96763484>this is peak dunning kruger posting>low iqGood job finding your own retarded posts, nogames. I doubt you are old enough to post in 4chan.
>>96763679>>96763774>t. retarded and underage /pol/tard nogames.
>>96763936>>96763926t. retard tranny trying to push his gay politics
This wasn't always the case in tabletop was it? Any grogs want to chime in?
>>96764045Grogs won't be believed if they do, so why bother?
>>96764036Yes, everyone can tell you have retardation from cock overdose.
>>96764097In all fairness to anon, overdosing on cock is fun and easy. It's actually quite addictive. More failed men should try it.
I would say in FR most good aligned churches are benevolent.
>>96764235There's no such thing a genuinely good-aligned church. By the very nature of telling everyone "worship my way or else", you're neutral at *best*, and probably Evil. Threats, coersion, and physical consequences to force someone to behave the way you want them to is in no way a Good act. To say nothing of the ludicrously disproportionate consequences between "not worshipping who I tell you to" and literal eternal damnnation.
>>96764268but most churches are humanitarian and about giving aid to the needy and helpless throughout history. Traced back to Jewish roots of hospitality.There was even a crusader group called the hospitalers , where modern hospitals derive from.
>>96764288Jewish propaganda confirmed. Church is about figuring out who outsiders are and who your friends are, and keeping those groups separated. Empathy is a sin. Kindness is a sin. Church is about power, and God will reward the powerful with more power.
>>96764267Said the faggot nogames who is going full retard.
>>96764299Goy, why are we doing propaganda for the guys who regularly accused us of stealling non-existent children?
>>96764324i think thats one of those bad goys, Sal.
>>96755888Christanity has zero requirement in being "good" and the church had historically been heinous
>>96764339yes it does, not really.Though catholics are largely shitbags, thats mostly a people issue
>>96763314Yeah, but the Imperium is in a perpetual state of war. At some point, your going to get some guys from different cultures in the same foxhole and they're going to hear each other's ethically exclusive prayer to the same dude. And the Imperium has not embraced the kind of valies that would allow them to see past those differences.
>>96764350wrong
Posted in the other thread
>>96755849Since more and more queers writers push god bad, nature good shit.
>>96764378>left side, the og straight male fans (and like minded ladies)>right side, invading alphabet woke onions feminist trans assholes
>>96764378https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU_wH9DTv8
>>96755902>puckee spamming his commissions againhttps://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1j5ot3r/artcomm_sister_althea_human_cleric_by_dennis/https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/nJCQeA9MiQuu2AvMvA_6Gw/>24 times since March 2025
>>96764617Good. Moar.Can't stop the signal, chud.
>>96755849Because it's...bad?
>>96755849>You ever wonder why there's so much 'church bad' stuff?jews, in summation.
>>96764346That's because they're majority hispanic or Italian or Irish. If most Catholics were white it would be a different story.
>>96764986Don't blame us for all the horrible shit the Catholics and especially the Evangelicals have done. The Christian Church is toxic beyond repair, and it's long past time for it to be put down.
>>96765008An actual jew would say that much more deviously, imposter!
reminder when blacks were protestant, they were very civilised, with strong family values, low crime and jobs.They created amazing gospel music and lived godly lives even in hard times.Then the wretched ir*sh introduced them to catholicism
>>96765033Wait, calling someone you disagree with NOT a jew? What sort of loopy world have we entered?
>>96765042And other racist protestant lies.
>>96765077>protestantism was the most beneficial and accepting of blacks and did the most good for them>racistall the "soulful" black culture is protestant.
>>96765092Protestantism is a racist as any other abrahamic religion. It's the protestants that are unusually racist.
>>96765105T. ir*sh hands typed this post.The ir*sh introduced the black to victim hood culture and alcohol and drugs.Protestants were the ones that abolished slavery. While catholics were the first and last to practice it.
>>96765113Igaf about irish or catholics. Protestants were more performative about welcoming minorities but in practice they were as racist as the rest of religionfags.
>>96765126Not what history tells us. The portugese/spanish who started the modern slave trade adopted the moors customs like the one drop rule. Comes from them.
>>96765138>portugese/spanish who started the modern slave trade adopted the moors customs like the one drop rule.Based. Any impurities are grounds for summary execution. Be Aryan or don't exist.
>>96765851>AryanYou mean Indian? Because that's where Aryans come from.
I remain unconvinced that the entire christlarp movement is the result of 3rd world internet access and using christendom as a means of inclusion into Whute accomplishment.
>>96755849Iconoclasm isn't against church or faith, it is against idols, condemning them all to be false. Its morality is that people who think a picture of Christ is capable of miracles is attributing the miracle to the object at least in part and not fully to Christ, etc.One suspected origin of the doctrine was from Greek Orthodox Christians who lived near the Saracens and observed the piety behind calls to not depict god or the prophet and then thought "damn my neighbors do go hard over that heirloom crucifix of theirs, they treat it as magical. Maybe that's a sin."
>>96757491and all of these are usually connected to the fantasy church, if not its leader/founder
>zoomer thinks the satanic panic wasn’t real because you couldn’t be cancelled on twitter over it How do you even engage with these people? It’s like talking to someone about before cars were invented.
