This Survey Isn't For You Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96750221>TQWhy do the kids eat the slop cards?
How complex is magic? I've only played Yu-gi-oh, Gwent, and a very small amount of hearthstone for reference.
>>96762864Magic and Yugioh are at the top, Gwent and HS are definitely simpler. Combo decks can be similar to Yugioh decks, especially in higher power formats.
>>96762864It's not complicated most of the time. Most of the complication depends on what deck and cards you're playing.
>>96762829Where can I take the survey? >its not for youBut I buy magic
>>96762922https://mtg.social/MTGxSPMSurvey
>>96762829You should have marked the Right Gender...
>>96762933Nah. You just write some stupid shit in the "self-describe" part.
>>96762933i put im a latino woman
>>96762933Me? I'm an Abrams tank.
Whatever happened to that guy getting banned for the trump hat?
>>96762948But they also had a question about your race too...The funny thing is that wotc will make up whatever of this survey. Even if 90% of people say Universes Beyond is bad they will come up with some reasoning to why only spiderman was bad.
>>96762992janny said you arent allowed to talk about it
>>96762933Prefer not to say for sex and race if you are a white straight male
>>96762992He was banned for constantly being a pestering asshole throughout several attendances. The hat was just what he claimed was the reason.
>a survey decited to why spider floppedAnd shills will say this set wasn't a massive failure
>>96763166Anon, they constantly do surveys like this. I remember filling out one for FIN.
SPM wasn't a massive failure; it was a colossal one.
I like UBI don't like spiderman
>b...but w...what do you think of wotc/hasbro mtgkun>y...you l..like us >r...right? I hope not a single person puts higher than a 1 on this answer
LMFAO this survey is the most pathetic move this corpo shitters have done in a long time>Hurr is streamers fault you didn’t like our set? Must be right?>Durr you are not the target audience boi, only shills and pigs!!!What a stupid market team and surely they will try this same ridiculous maneuver when TMNT or pic related end flopping too, i can’t wait.
>>96763243just send them this
>>96763271>>Hurr is streamers fault you didn’t like our set? Must be right?Honestly that might be the single shittiest things about this whole debacle. I can't believe they fucking put that on there. I'm no lover of e-celebs, but them trying to fucking shift blame onto them is fucking disgusting.
if you had to guess which sets from 2026 you expect to do it “good”?
ACT LIKE A PIG AND EAT YOUR SLOP
>>96763286Fuck this is the kind of mean, nihilistic negativity I always aim for.Too bad I usually only come out as teasing and erotic to massive homos.
>>96763302even if I was enough of a sheep to be convinced spider-man was a bad set cause my favorite fake internet friend said so, wouldn't that still be damning on their product? that they couldn't convince me he was wrong once I played with it myself?>>96763317I have no fucking faith in return to lorwyn and haven't ever since it was announced. strixhaven could go either way but I didn't really care for the original so idk. reality fracture I'm deeply worried about more than anything else. I'd say the UBslop will be slop on the whole but EoE was surprisingly decent (even if I have serious reservations about shoving sci-fi into magic) so star trek might pan out ok oddly enough.
>>96763271if every nonpig does their part, we might see the current marketing team getting firedthe amount of genuine manipulative questions trying to nudge you in a positive direction were insane
I'm doing my part!
I just filled every text box with pig oinks
>>96763317Just based on the logos, probably only Strixhaven. *Maybe* reality fracture.
>>96763317I think you mean "least atrocious"Lorwyn seems good mechanically, but it's also confirmed to be disneyfied.
I AM NOT A PIGI WILL NEVER EAT THE SLOPI AM NOT A PIGI WILL NEVER EAT THE SLOPI AM NOT A PIGI WILL NEVER EAT THE SLOPI AM NOT A PIGI WILL NEVER EAT THE SLOP
I HATE THE TALL SKINNY FIGURE I HATE THE TALL SKINNY FIGURE I HATE THE TALL SKINNY FIGURE I HATE THE TALL SKINNY FIGURE I HATE THE TALL SKINNY FIGURE I HATE THE TALL SKINNY FIGURE I HATE THE TALL SKINNY FIGURE
>>96763558maybe if you take your meds he'll disappear.
>>96763461That's just how market research is. I've worked in market research and let me tell you, I wouldn't trust one of those types to truthfully tell me what they ate for breakfast that morning without it having some kind of angle to it. Market research is NOT a corporation trying to learn what they can do better, it is ALWAYS them using manipulative questions to twist the facts so they can justify what they have already done (mostly to shareholders). Back when I worked in market research, it was extremely common for surveys to be specifically set up to manipulate the subjects to responding in certain ways. As the most basic possible example of this, we had a survey that was set up to terminate if the subject answers negatively to a question about how they though about the corporation it regarded. Internally, this would cause the survey to be counted both as a part of the whole data set, but not affect the data set itself, essentially ending up as us saying "We surveyed 10000 people and every survey responded positively!" Basically every survey we ran did this in one way or another, some more or less subtle. It is pretty obvious if you think about it for even a second. If a corporation was really interested in what they could do better, in learning what their consumers want, they would run surveys that say: "Hey, what would you think if we did [x]?" to gauge interests BEFORE they fuck up.
>>96763585Sure seems like that's the case here.
UB enjoyer here. I think you all just hate playing MTG and are only angry because you're bad at playing. UB is great. I've been having fun playing spiderman drafts and standard at my lgs. I also added a few of the spider mans to my spongebob commander deck.
>>96763663ehthat would maybe work on troonblr
>>96763663FUCK YOUUUUUUU AAAAH IM MAD
>>96763585>Market research is NOT a corporation trying to learn what they can do better, it is ALWAYS them using manipulative questions to twist the facts so they can justify what they have already done (mostly to shareholders).so basically modern medicine and psychology as a whole, got it
>>96762829How do we respond to this survey?
>>96763715I wouldn't have said a thing. I would have listened, which is what noone did.
>>96763663
>mark that I bought every non universes beyond set>sorry, you're not part of our target demographicyou really cant make this up, its a perfect metaphor for the direction WOTC is heading.
They want recent/new player opinionsThe sunk cost opinions of you cardboardhogs is worthless to them.
>>96763772Nah, I marked that I had been playing since 2007, and it let my survey through, so it can't be that.
>>96763749The key thing seems to be if you say you're not familiar with Spider-Man, because why would they care about you if you literally know nothing of the set.
>>96763783sure but its also a way to week out people who don't like UB so mark rosewater can keep saying "our market research says that everyone loves UB"yea no shit everyone loves UB if you don't let the people who dislike it take the survey.
>>96763798It's a survey about Spider-Man, why would they care about the opinions of somebody who knows nothing of the set. "Familiar" doesn't mean "has played" it just means "you know what the set has going on".
>>96763802>why would they care about the opinions of somebody who knows nothing of the setA magic player (potential customer) seeing spiderman and ignoring the set completely would be nice to know about. Maybe spiderman isn't right for universes beyond. Maybe the initial advertising was poor. Enfranchised players ignoring something is useful data in itself.
im not engaging with this survey
listen here you little faggotspider-man has been shit since the turn of the millennium. the only decent spider-man media to come out in the last 20 years were the sam raimi movies and that ps1 gamethe spider-man "comic" is a complete joke since issue 700, it has "ended" and been rebooted several times since with several "issue #1" to capitalize on piggies and scalpersin fact, spider-man should have ended with 700. superior spider-man was and remains a vastly superior series ruined by the need for status quo and for fuck yourself if you don't know who the superior spider-man is or disagreesnow these cocksuckers at wotc still reject me despite the fact i have more intellectual acumen and more knowledge about this onions cape shit than 99/100 funkopop consumers that spend money on whatever crap marvel shits out todayoh and guess what, i haven't bought a single spider-man comic, i just download the scans from getcomics that's right fuck capitalism and fuck marvel and fuck wotc and fuck fuck fuck
>>96763772I marked that I was around since Otaria and it accepted me. I think it's more likely that you're tripping some sort of shibboleth questions meant to weed out wrongthink.
>>96763872>fuck capitalismyou lost me there.
playpremodern
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>>96763912gay formatplay ALICE
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4/4
>WotC: uh we can't draw Ralph with a Sai because the Sai originates from a colony of Japan where women were graped and unalived>but nunchucks are fine because Sneed & Feed
>>96764010We literally don't know if this is why they did that. It could simply just be "Magic has a famous jitte and we wanted to shout that out".
>>96763951>just Ice Age and Alliancessounds neat>NO REPRINTS ALLOWEDnvm sounds hypergay, unless they allow proxies maybe
>>96763912I started playing in 2010 so I have no nostalgia for this shit. I will, however, be playing PreFIRE.
>>96764034everyone allows proxies if you just don't tell them that you bought your cards from chinaman
Was EOE good?
>>96764119Yes.
My worst fear is that Kikewater and JOTC actually do cross the streams and force UB to be shared canon in the new Jace-verse. Standard legal sets have always been considered the story continuity of Magic no matter what anyone else says. So at some point they have to either merge the dimensions, or back off and make another Standard UB format, OR just scrap in-universe entirely and the game truly becomes only Fortnite shit.The only true way to salvage this shit is to admit wrongdoing (which kikes historically have never done) and remove UB back out of Standard, and the scalpers and commmader tards will still slurp up their slop anyway.Otherwise it’s going to be a mass exodus next year.
>>96764137all the ff babs have alreayd left
>>96764137Or they can just... Not. There's no reason to. It's bafflingly expensive to do so. The most that'll ever happen will be cute non-canon crossover stories in a comic here or there.
>>96764137As absolute dogshit of an idea of canonical crossovers are, I want to see it just to see the scale of destruction it will bring to the game.
>>96764137It's inevitable. That's the true horror that lies beyond the Chaos Wall, other mulitverses, gasp! The Drix are intolerant bigots btw.
>>96764137So.. the Eldrazi are actually based and did nothing wrong?
What do we think of Betterman?
>>96764137Sorry chud, but we WILL help the gatewatch breach the barrier leading to our reality and I WILL be reunited with my waifu.
>>96763872>superior spider-man was and remains a vastly superior seriesfigures the tripfag would have a dogshit opinion
how much longer until super friends doesn't refer to planeswalkers
>>96764236This rework of how partner variant abilities are named seems like a good idea. That's the only positive thing I have to say about this. Partner is a fundamentally broken mechanic, made for Cummander which is a fundamentally retarded format, and I don't care about this character or want to see more of him. Is slop, therefore I will not eat.
I have come up with the perfect Universes Beyond: Bionicle- specifically, just the first three years.It's the exact kind of weird random coolshit we need- tiki voodoo robots on a jungle island is based, and with a tiny bit of finagling you can even get Rare legendaries for an entire fifteen card cycle!Toa Mata: White Kopaka, Blue Gali, Black Onua, Red Tahu, Green Lewa, Gold (RG) PohatuToa Nuva: WB Kopaka, WU Gali, BG Onua, RB Tahu, UG Lewa, UR PohatuMakuta: UBTakanuva: RWMata Nui: GWCould have an equipment matters theme with the masks, the bohrok would be artifact creatures so that they don't have to type everything as artifacts, there's plenty of Matoran villagers and Rahi beasts to fill out the rest of the creatures, there's plenty of landmarks to make nonbasics or basic land art from, it has everything!The ONLY issue would be getting Lego to let it happen, but since they haven't been using the theme for almost a decade at this point, pairing this up might be a really efficient idea, especially if they want to try to bring it back again.
>>96764312>Whenever an opponent gets a poison counter, levitate up to one target creature. When you do, you may attach one Krana Equipment to target Bohrok Creature you control. If this is the fourth time this ability has activated in the last three turn cycles and you have no testicles, you win the game.
>>96764010I really doubt that was the reason why. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the real reason is genuinely that they never double-checked before having the art done and rolled out in previews.
>It will just be Secret Lairs!>It will just be Commander Products!>It will just be Eternal formats!>It will be limited to Magic-adjacent settings!>It will not have influence on Plane designs of in-universe sets!>It will not raise pack prices!>It will not create high demand chase UB cards that warp formats!>There will not be more UB sets per year than in universe sets!YOU ARE HERE>In universe sets will not interact with UB characters!>In universe settings will not be phased out completely!>Magic has always been about different IPs. Urza? Jace? What are those Tumblr OC characters?
>>96764439sorry marketer-kun but not even in the most dire of circumstances will i give up my principles: disregarding jace
>>96764137>My worst fear is that Kikewater and JOTC actually do cross the streams and force UB to be shared canon in the newThey promised they would not, so the odds of it happening are 100%.
jugheads of the coast
>>96764312First of all, if Bionicle G1 was resurrected just as UB slop filling, I would kill myself. Secondly, this is the most retarded way to adapt it. You don't need the Toa to appear at uncommon, a good chunk of G1's story just involved the Matoran, and you frankly SHOULDN'T spread them out across all five colors. You could fit the entirety of the matoran/toa race into Jeskai colors and make them a single cohesive faction. Fire Rock and Earth tribes in red, Water Wind and Ice tribes in blue, miscellaneous matoran characters arbitrarily in white since light is considered an origin of life and goodness in the matoran religion. Each Toa could be White plus their elemental color with Takanuva being mono-white or jeskai depending on whether you want to make kino or commander bait. Green and black could be filled with the island's wildlife, with black also containing Makuta and his minions. Makuta's influence could also exist to some degree in red since artifact destruction is kind of on-brand for him. (MNOG Makuta was a sentient pile of disassembled legos.) Bohrok could maybe be green/something.The biggest issue with designing a Bionicle set however is that either every fucking creature is an artifact creature and thus Red basically has creature removal in that limited format, or you have to come up with some rationale for making some creatures artifact creatures and come creatures not, for example Bohrok and Rahkshi are fully mechanical aside from their brains which are little slug creatures driving them like mech suits, so they could be artifact creatures while the properly biomechanical characters aren't. Tons of biomechanical-looking phyrexians aren't artifacts so that's probably fine. Though you could make the Nuva forms artifact creatures just for the sake of making the card frames silver.Also the Turaga should be SHAMANS. Very important.
am i the only guy that never liked gold frameslike bro give me the actual colors
I love WotC trying to understand the damage before doing damage control.They want put SLOP in our plates at all costs.
>>96764520and it won't work... since i'm not eating at this establishment...
Takanuva, Important Guy3WUBRGArtifact Creature - God BionicleThis spell can't be counteredHexproofIndestructibleWhen you do the thing, get value.8/8:^)
>>96764527I am vomit
>>96764527wotc hire this man.. woman.. manman womanman.. uuuhmmm.. uuh.... hire this individual of ethnic persuasion!
>>96764530Having a strong reaction just shows the depth of your passion, my brother.
>UB: UNO will finally powercreep Ancestral Recall
>>96764562this can only target your opponent though
>>96764565Based Owling Mine enjoyer.
Universes Beyond: Poker!
I suddenly remember fucking around with one of those early MtG custom card programs in the 2000's and making zany anime and comic book shit......and I realize that many WotC staff might have done the same but are actually deranged enough to turn their fantasy GI Joe vs Naruto set into reality.
>>96764439Can't wait for my "Jace and Scooby-Doo, UNlikely Duo" commander
>>96763663>For me, its the McChickent. Three for Free
Where were you when MTG was kill? I was at home when Rosewater tell me"Magic is kill""No"
>>96764784Rosewater sexually assaulted me in my home when I told him I didn't like his game anymore, so I don't spend much time at home. Too painful. He has a small dick btw
>>96764439I wonder if the reason we got here is because after decades of trying, WOTC failed to make a big mascot character that people actually liked that garnered broad appeal outside of the game>urzaoldheads like him, but he's a bit too epic with his methods at killing phyrexian scum for normies to like him>jaceincredibly pushed and forced since he became the guildpact, people just sort of put up with him existing>lilianapopular in the community, mostly for her booba but never ventured outside of it>all the other planeswalkerslol>loota forced meme so reviled that the community rallied around fleem to spite him (and spooderman)If MTG had their own Sephiroth/Gandalf/etc that effectively entered the public consciousness, would we have UB?
Shitting on mtg is way more fun and more intellectually engaging that playing the gamethey should make a /tg/ secret lair UB collector booster setset mechanic would be pig tokens and post it note tokens where you get to have effects if you can greentext some shit
>>96764814magic's most popular character
>>96764846Lotus probably is the closest thing MTG has to a popular, well known mascot. Which sucks for WOTC considering it's just a fucking flower that they promised to never print any more of ever again.
Avatar Legendshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nboz6eLKoaQ >>96762829>TQ>Why do the kids eat the slop cards?Slop is cheap; get them when they're 12 years old and you got them for life eg. McD , music, mountain dew
>>96764814If they wanted to, they could have brought in the Duel Masters cover monsters when they dropped the brand in the west. There'd be another dragon, but it'd be a dragon that some kiddies would recognize.I feel it's the medium holding her back, but you could probably market Chandra more if Magic did some collaborations where they lent their characters to properties. The only Magic cameo I can think of is her goggles in TF2. I should be seeing her in FF14 or something.
>>96764874that anime girl is so fucking wonky but still beats any modern depiction of chandra somehow
Are you OK man? You got hit in the head pretty bad. Spiderman? Final Fantasy? Damn, you really did take a beating. Dust yourself off quick or we're going to miss Battlebond 2 pre release.
>>96764874>The only Magic cameo I can think of is her goggles in TF2For reals? Her goggles are not that distinctive.
>>96764904In getting the reference image, I see that there was a second item. I just never see any loadout use it. At least with the goggles, I saw it used for a Psychonauts loadout. This is not how you build a brand.
>Alien UB set>set mechanic is "emerge"+"mutate"
>>96764897I mean, the gameplay would still suck
>>96764814>2025>he is forgottenweatherlight sisters...
>>96764933>facehugging and chestbursts in tcg with +13 age ratingWith these assumptions I believe Predator UB set would be more likely.I truly wish for Alien vs Predator set though.
>grew up watching TMNT and avatar the last airbender>love both>cards for both cartoons announced>I still hate UBgood to know I'm morally consistent I guess.
>>96764814Urza would have been perfect, especially with all the moral ambiguity that accompanied his iconic arc, but no we had to end up with Jace and the nuwalker crew forever.Everyone who played recognized Urza back in the day and it was because he was badass, not because you were expected to relate with him or any such bullshit.
>like Alien>would want UB of it>still ain't going to get it
>>96764439>In universe sets will not interact with UB characters!Enter
>>96764987why do you think it's my nickcuckfied bat-tier "men" want to put threats in prison instead of doing the sensible thing and just nuking themit's how we got to this gay world84nsa+
>>96765016
So many questions about the Spiderman set when it basically boils down to this. And I honestly doubt many people care about Spiderman as a franchise and not just the character.
>>96764897It looks so simple to start to unSlop the game. WotC being Tonedeaf to simple shit at least is entertaining. >>96764933Just play the AVP cardgame (dead) or the boardgame/rpg>>96764941He has his grandgrandgrandgrand black son and latina daughter. (somehow)
>>96765061Pic didn't attach
>>96764814What about Bolas? I feel like it's better to have a non-human mascot and if I remember correctly, players liked him more than jacetice league during that era. I think he'd grab the attention of non-players easier too.
>>96763317>is going to sell a tonThe Hobbit>is going to do wellLorwyn, Reality Fracture, Star Trek>is going to do well but isn't going to be as they think it's going to beMarvel>is going to do below averageStrixhaven>is going to flopTMNT
>>96765040Fuck me, the Labubu collaboration sounds so fucking plausible. And it will be late and unfashionable by that point in time too.
>>96765095WotC believe that only human characters resonate with players. That's why the vast majority of planeswalkers and even relevant planebound characters are just regular humans.
>>96765226If you realize how utterly and despicably retarded modern audiences are you start to understand some decisions.Normies will literally go>OMG HE JUST LIKE MEand will buy anything or subscribe to any ideology.It's why they make everyone gay now, because that is genuinely how feminized people are. They don't care about stories, concepts, abstracts, rivalries or other things; they just want to mirror themselves in things they consume all day every day 24/7.You could sell anyone a pen now if you just parroted whatever opinion they said back at them.
>Bring back the poetry. Bring back the myth. Bring back the game that remembered we are more than consumers; we are story-shaped planeswalkers, unfetted with unending wanderlust.
>>96765289I always thought it was cool when cards had flavor text taken from real life but they removed it at some point because it was distracting from the world of magic itself or some shitwhich feels really goddamn ironic right about now
>>96765289i see you maggot carrier and raise you a putrid imp
>>96765330Yeah, this card feel way too real
>>96765330>which feels really goddamn ironic right about nowtime makes fools of us all
>>96765289>trans.it was always woke
>>96765337>>96765344imbeciles
>>96762864Depends, it's not inaccessible (especially if you're not starting with EDH like a retard) and the core gameplay tenets are pretty simple to graspOn the other hand the game can get incredibly complex at points and the rules are very dense, but also very strict, so you'll almost always be able to look up the relevant rulings if need bePicrel for example is basically YGO's Premature Burial but has to be written in a very specific way so as to work with the rules of enchantments as a card type and the graveyard and battlefield as zones, so you get an essay that boils down to "resurrect something and attach this to it, if either dies they both do"
>>96765337Looks like some tranny i saw on the bus the other day.Guess this card is too real for a fantasy game.
>>96765330I never liked the real life credits being included
>>96765347transexual
They don't care if Spiderman was a letdown. They made such obscene amounts of money off of FF because that they just need to wait for enough to pass to print another run of FF. The same thing is happening for LoTR. They're going to wait a bit to avoid fatigue for LotR and FF, re-release the set with more foil 1/1 lottery ticket collector bait in it, and meanwhile find another setting that gets positive reception (money).Wizbro likes to plagiarize itself more than anything. We've never returned to Alara and nobody wants to. The gap between Scars block and OG Mirrodin was smaller than the gap between the last 2 khans sets, ravnica sets, zendikar, and the FF/Middle Earth rereleases. I can't think of a reason for Alara being unpopular aside from It being overshadowed by other planes, and the internal balance and standard environment it created. They're content to rip themselves Basically LotR and FF made so much money that they're willing to play the attrition game. For every 3 or 4 licenses they procure and do poorly, they're betting on 1 of them to recoup their losses and then some. I predict FF is going to do extremely well again because, in my experience, people who like FF REALLY like it for some reason. Might be the waifus or some anime thing idk. The only thing that would probably do better or the same is kingdom hearts but unless Lorcana dies and disney is in VERY big trouble, we won't be seeing that ever. But this is all my prediction wtf do I know>>96762864the game is most fun when it's the simplest and not 4 people trying to build and abuse some combo/infinite loop and wiping the board whenever they feel threatened or when another player looks to almost assemble their broken combo engine.See if your LGS has free welcome decks and try them out with a friend or cousin or whoever. play with cards from core sets or foundations for learning the game. It's not complicated at all and the cards usualy explain what they do in simple terms.
>>96765436I'm pretty sure that they're generally not taking big losses on UBs even those that sell less than usual so yeah I think it's true that they can afford to keep fishing around until they find the next LOTR/FF, and that's most likely what they'll keep doing.
>>96765436>gap between Scars block and OG Mirrodin was smaller than the gap between the last 2 khans sets*was BIGGER than
>FF was a huge successSo they should keep printing more FF slop of my wife.Literally has the coolest summon that would have fit into mtg monster themes, and they completely ignored it.
>>96765353is there really no reason why they couldn't have done this card as "when this enchantment enters, return target creature from a GY to the battlefield then attach this card to it" instead of the whole replacing the effect thing?
>>96765521animate dead is a pretty lame example of complexity because it all stems from backporting modern rules technicalities to a slightly unique design from alpha
>>96765512I would be happy for current FF set getting printed to the ground long as it means more Chocobo Bundles are injected into the market after the Holiday release. But I'm going to assume sequel for FF set release would be two years away.
>>96765534I just want this guy.
>>96765521Because it would need to be on the field first to have that effect, and you can't do that with auras unless they're attached to a legal target. Thus, the reason why it's constantly redefining what it's attached to
>>96765512don't bro, i gotchu covered with Spirits Within, Crystal Chronicles, Mystic Quest, Tactics and Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon
>>96765563ok gay ajani poster, tone it down already
>>96765571I can't find an actual sphinx in my slopmander artemisia time manipulation theme deckplease understand
>>96765521Just think of the implications if they'd change it. For example, if it can enchant a creature by default, then it can target one and be used as removal. Or you can change the target to a creature on the board. Would you gain control of that creature then?
>>96763872Spidey expert here,You are somewhat correct that nothing after Superior has been worth reading (except Life Story and that obviously wasn't in ASM).You are wrong to say that nothing good has happened in the last 20 years.Starting from JMS in 2000-ish up until about Grim Hunt/Origin of Species in 2010, ASM was more good than it was bad. Obviously Sins Past and OMD were garbage but the new status quo from BND was well executed and maintained a general consistency of quality while having fresh takes on most of what made classic ASM fun (Parker drama, mystery villains, adventure of the week storytelling, humor, a fun supporting cast, humor etc...).
>>96765568>no stranger of paradiseBullshit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQO5DXJK9AM&t=40s
CHAOS
>>96765599WE'RE HERE TO KILL CHAOS
>>96765609he dies to go for the throat
>>96765122The Hobbit =/= LotR, there is no way that it does anywhere near as well. They have already used up almost all of the popular designs in the first set and the extra material is far less popular with the greater fanbase than the main trilogy.
>>96765626They could just add the popular characters from LotR into The Hobbit set, just like how movies included familiar faces.There is never enough unique cards for Gandalf and Legolas.
>>96765592Remember how Rosewater self-proclaimed that he was the Spider-Man expert and personally oversaw the set to ensure that it was accurate and it ended up being just Spiderverse junk because that is what is "new and exciting" for Spider-Man? Oh, and don't forget all of the New York references!
>YOU SHALL NOT PASSwotc actually really printed gandalf? no way
>>96762829>I was here before>I warned (You)>(You) didn't listen>(You) were transfixed by anime titties>Seduced by them>Conditioned>Neutered>Now slop is (You)r future>(You) deserve what (You) tolerate
>>96765636i'm still not over the fact that, when pressed for "we need a food artifact to fill out the skeleton' they just added a bagel and a food cart. I'm not even a spidey expert and my literal first thought was "why isn't this a fruit pie to reference the old comic ads, at least?"
>>96765289>Universes Beyond: Stoicism
>tarkir comes out>"nice, i can finally treat myself to a starter kit">no starter kit>edging cums out>"i'll treat myself to a starter kit">no starter kit>no starter kits announced for any of the confirmed releasesArena eos soon
the most doomer thought possible crossed my mind in a dream last night. what if reality fracture isn't just 'making UB canon" but the actual fucking end of magic as a world. I mean, the only other two in universe sets this year are a return to the most beloved plane aside from ravnica which they've effectively ran into the dirt, and a set whose whole theme is graduating and moving on with your life. I really doubt it, hell I don't even think reality fracture is going to open the floodgates on UBslop infecting the actual magic sets (I'm honestly just expecting it to be a bunch of universes within reprints so they don't have to worry about what happens when they lose the rights to various IPs they've used in the future) but still that was a *grim* thought to have
>>96765639>anon did not post that card
>>96765668they didn't change it because of that, right? RIGHT?might have been genuinely because of copyright shit or something though
>>96765675in the books it's cannot
big boner
Isn’t this survey a sign they are willing to accept that UB could be a fucking mistake?
>>96765784No, just that Spider-Man is a flop and they're trying to figure out why.
>>96765648listen breh these dongmucherrs at wotc had SEVERAL "spider-verse" like stories to pull, from the 90s series to spider-verse/geddon and they still managed to fuck it up introducing the most boring concepts and versions of spidermen/spider-villain's. and even when they did add someone interesting like superior they made sure it had the most generic and uninteresting mechanicsexcept the same from tmnt and avatar whatever that is, isn't a new one coming from that guy who made terminator 2?
>>96765784>company admitting any faultLMAO THIS NIGGA THINKS COMPANY WILL ACTUALLY LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES TO DELIVER BETTER QUALITY SERVICES!!
>>96765784If the survey says that people don't want UB but the sales date say people are buying UB then all they'll conclude is that the survey is either not representative of their target audience or that the people talking shit about UB don't actually put their money where their mouth is.
>>96765797the why it's cause it's ub and just cause some franchises like lotr and ff will sell regardless of how many black trans homos you put on it, those are very few and most ub shit will flop when it comes to gathering an audience (scalpers and piggos will still slop it up)
>>96765806bold of you to assume wotc is capable of any measure of quality
>>96764814free garruk he did nothing wrong
>>96762829i hate to be positive but i really like a lot of the art for the black cards in EoE
>>96765852>being positiveyo wtf can you believe this guy?
>>96765852Art was not that set's problem. Everything else about it was.
>>96765852>i really like a lot of the art for the black cards in EoEI agreebut perhaps it was too reliant on the black hole iconographyotherwise, better than any of the other colors, IMO
>>96765889"Too single-note but has good art" kind of sums up every color in EoE.
>>96765797Any person with half a brain could figure out why. I seriously doubt they lack the expertise inhouse but they could hire me for $200 an hour as a contractor and ask me any question they want.>edhThere are only a few playables, and no precons. The few players who did not switch to proxies are not interested in buying products, maybe a couple singles including the soulstone and that's it.>standardThe meta is a mess. Spiderman is where the standard powerlevel should be, but everything else is too pushed so your cards are unplayable. Also no precons for standard. No need to buy product.>eternalMost cards are too weak, save for a couple bulk rares. No need to buy any product.>financebrosEveryone predicted this would be a home-run set based on the success of FF. Then came the spoiler seasons and people started panicking quickly. No serialized cards, no waifubait cards, no crazy reprints in the bonus sheet. The high value cards are the ultra rare soulstone and the radiated spider man (which is unplayable garbage). Nobody wants to buy a $1000 lottery ticket just for a slim chance of hitting the soul stone, and the EV is way below MSRP so cracking the boxes is not an option either. Some collector displays sold because people were too slow or couldn't cancel their orders but the product is readily available. Best course of action is to hold on to these and pray the marvel set will boost this sets popularity by association.>collectors and spiderman fansAgain there is nothing to collect really. You can get the alt art comic cards for cheap and forget about this set. This is coming from someone who used to have a spiderman bed as a kid. >limitedThe smaller card pool really shows. Everyone drafts the same two decks, it's just a toss-up who has the better rares and mythics. Pick 2 also feels like ass.
>>96765900exactly
>>96765797they needed a whole survey for that? hire me WotC if you lack that much in brains i can be top shit in a year!Also>Content creators blame questionWhy do this then?
>>96765852shame that they only released EoE so that they can say that Star Trek is "magic-adjecent".
Oh right, megatron not only is canonically a phyrexian golem but he's also a fag. No not like a fag in the sense of the insult haha fag he's an actual homosexual who likes to kiss men and put his tronic cock into men's asses and take it uo the ass.But bolas would never call you a nigger, canon.
>>96762864The basic rules are very simple. "Reading the card explains the card" is almost always true for any interactions outside of that. What's difficult is learning all the interactions between cards. Yugioh is more wordy but each card basically spells out exactly what it wants you to do to make it work in a deck. A magic card might say something like "sacrifice a creature: this creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn" and without having a fairly robust knowledge of cards rattling around inside your head, you might not know that the ability will be the first piece of a 2 or 3 card infinite combo.
>>96763317Lorwyn.>reality fracture Undoubtedly the moment when UB becomes UW and we see chandra and black widow (tm) fighting thanos and valgavoth with some shitty quips on a card.
>>96766127Pretty sure Reality Fracture is just going to be the UW finale for whatever the fuck Jace's bullshit is leading up to.
>>96764814>I wonder if the reason we got here is because after decades of trying, WOTC failed to make a big mascot character that people actually liked that garnered broad appeal outside of the gameI literally got into the game because of a big sexy liliana pinup art in the window if my LGS. But sexy women are taboo now.
>>96765979>Why do this then?Because youtubers shitting on it might be one potential cause? I agree with other anons that it seems fairly obvious why, but wotc probably wants firmer data than "it sure is my opinion that it fucking sucks".
>>96765929The only thing I wanted from this set were the bonus sheet comic book arts and those ended up being far more affordable as singles then I predicted they would be except a few. There's also several cards from the set that ended up playing in standard and pauper (at least those are the formats I'm more familiar with) but the cards that are seeing play aren't even expensive except for that generic one color shock so booster value remains extremely low.
>>96766127>>96766144Reality Fracture is going to be the set Bolas finally comes out of the closet and announces that he's a bottom for Ugin. It's going to save Magic by selling a Gaybillion sets and Gay Bolas will destroy UB forever.
>>96766273Nah, Bolas loves himself too much to be gay- he converted an entire plane with multiple gods into a factory that worships him, remember?
>>96766280He also was taking it up the ass from Ugin in Tarkir Dragonstorm.
>>96766286Aren't those two the same dragon? Wasn't there a story in M19 describing the birth of those two?
>>96766335They're twins but yeah.>>96766286Yeah, but does getting butt raped by a large inmate make you gay? I THINK NOT!
>>96764897what's funny is that this still looks like six standard legal sets which is still too many
>>96765852EoE was great but the notion that they went to all that effort just to normalize space shit for Stahhh Trek depresses me
>>96766466Someone forgot to tell WotC that Star Trek doesn't focus on combat, whereas Magic does. Equipping Jean-Luc Picard with a sword and having him attack is absolutely stupid. (Yes, I'm aware that there are space battles and phasers, etc but lets not pretend that Star Trek is anywhere near as combat centric as any Magic setting).
>>96766543>Equipping Jean-Luc Picard with a sword and having him attack is absolutely stupid.I get your point, but throwing Star Fleet officers out of their element is classic Star Trek. Not that it justifies shoving it into Magic.
>>96766543>Someone forgot to tell WotC that Star Trek doesn't focus on combat, whereas Magic does.*good* star trek doesn't focus on combat, but luckily for WOTC they've made more bad star trek than good at this point>Equipping Jean-Luc Picard with a sword and having him attack is absolutely stupid. just realized how utterly I am dreading the inevitable "darmok" language secret lair cards
>>96766628No, that was just TNG's way to pad out more episodes into a season - it wasn't a core part of the story or characterization for anyone (other than the guy who was addicted to it).
I logged on to mtgo for the first time in like a decade and realized my modern decks were all rotated out by modern jewrizons sets. should I take the pauper pill or simply kms?
>>96766543Counterpoint: Dwight from the Office
>>96766684It might depend on your deck but people show up with obsolete modern decks to events at my LGS all the time and they manage to do well against current decks. If there's a format where older decks stand a decent chance at competing it's modern.
>>96766127The piggiest of sloppiest.Actual retarded whore.
>>96766628>DSN dealing with the artermath of an existential war>Voyager vs the Borg>TNG too, though it's probably the Talkiest Trek.>Fucking TOS with it's episode that's basically Submarine Combat in Space, and Kirk throwing hands with everything from feral Alien Childen to Roman Legionnaires, to shooting the Gorn with a Macgiuyver'd diamond gun.There's enough violence and conflict in ST for a tcg game. It's bad for other reasons.
>>96766543Master splinter kicking sephiroth to the face because he's an incel that doesn't respekt whaamen.
>>96766628There's always some people dressed in Star Fleet uniforms at my local Renaissance Festival. Those guys crack me up
>>96765568All of them are superb kino except sp*rits wh*thin which is not final fantasy, same as all super mario movies (yes even the last one with incel bowser and feminist peach).
>>96765512A second FF set would probably cover side-games and do some more of some main games (because 14 didn't have any Dawntrail stuff for example, and they could probably do more of the ones the first set didn't cover much of like 2, 5, 11 and 12) but who knows.
black aragorn
>>967669952026 we're getting a second FF set featuring an original multiversal story (something like Dissidia) made just for the set. I'm calling it.
>>96762829>Marvel/Spider-man enthusiast is 5-10 years oldThat's simply not true, at least for spider-man. Spider-man has been around for decades and even if you only know him from the movies, the first spider-man movie with Tobey and DaFoe was released in 2002. Even the most casual of fans from back in the days would be in his 30's by now.
>>96767063I mean, we might cover some Dissidia stuff but I doubt they'd make an original story for it. No real need to.
>>96767069>We got begals instead of the bully dance or the symbiote eating Eddie alive
wait, are some of you just playing mld to do nothing but drag out the game? you don't even have a wincon? are you just trying to bore everyone to death? why would you do that?
i've noticed that barely anyone sells cards on ebay anymore. abugames stopped auctioning singles and duals listings are at what i suspect is an all time low.
>>96767147I PLAY SCHOLAR OF THE TROVE REANIMATOR AND IF THE GAME LASTS MORE THAN 3 TURNS OR 1 MINUTE I QUITI AIN'T GOT TIME FOR THIS SHIT
Blake posted about that influencer question and basically said "we do do stuff about influencers and whatnot but yeah no this question was just bad sorry". Believe it or don't, I dunno.
where is this supposed survey? seems like its buried Im looking for it
>>96767194you are a day late sister, alreayd closed and you weren't the target demographic anywaythe survey wasn't for you
>>96767194https://mtg.social/MTGxSPMSurveyNo idea if it's still up or not. They only really care if you say you're familiar with the set, because why would they bother otherwise.
>survey up for a day>pitfalls to gate players from the surveyFucking market research, if there was ever a less genuine job in the world I’d be hard pressed to find it
"Other" is officially the most played archtype in Modern after god knows how long.
>>96766878how is he wrong?
>>96767168Ignore all signs of decline. Every set is the best selling set of all time. Growth has doubled every year. Buy more product.
>>96763321UB MLP?!!!
>>96766878>That's right pig. I'm going to pump out as much slop as possible and you're going to eat it all up. I will shit in your trough and you will eat it with the rest of the slop.
>>96766878>"For far too long, fantasy, as a genre, was used as a way to reflect the worldview of those in power.">proceeds to support that claim by pushing the worldview of those in power
survey is still up>where did you hear about the new set from?>did * make you more or less interested in the set?Ah I see, we’re trying to pin the blame on someone else here. It’s obviously not Hasbro or WOTC fault here.
>>96766543Kirk threw fisticuffs with Klingons, Picard fought off the Borg with a hardlight tommygun after luring them into a 1920s detective novel, Sisko punched multiple extra-dimensional entities in the face because they dared to fuck with him, and Janeway killed a whole lotta peeps because murder makes her rock hard. There is a TON of violence in Star Trek, it's just not always the first option (unless your name is Janeway).
>>96763718What year is it?
>>96767147every time I run into some fag doing UW control that keeps pondering and brainstorming his way through his deck for like 10 turns and still hasn't found his wincon I wonder if he's genuinely just trying to waste my time
>>96767396Basically they want you to snitch on potential influencer who caused public perception to be negative on Spider-Man set.
>>96767301Categorically wrong, starting with his definition of what fantasy was, through his flawed conclusions.He is also a liar. They doesnt want to reflect reality at all, instead presenting a warped overrepresentation. He is also fine with ignoring certain people's reality, so long as they are "the bad/privileged people".In short, just more normal run of the mill jewish tricks and lies.
>>96766878>take statement>make a different statement>answer that one instead>act like you answered the original statementjews lmao
>>96767450yeah I figured I just put down gatherer or something like that. I’m not giving wizards a war justification against anyone for their own fuckup. I don’t normally vote or do surveys cause they’re usually useless but i dunno maybe im sentimental about this game
>>96767396>I heard it from official channels>I was not excited >I did follow new releases >I was less excited as reveals progressed>I do not listen to youtubers>I was not influenced by others>I follow official X and website news
I feel like if you're gonna jot down anybody for the "influencer" question it should be guys that had official preview cards and have not been overtly negative about the setmaybe it's a bit subtle but make the statement that the only way a youtuber made you think poorly of the set was by simply showing it to you at all
>>96767301He's either painting with a wide brush that's downplaying how many differing people helped create the modern fantasy landscape or he's deliberately using broad language to veil a specific attack on a handful of OGs.
