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>>96763444You vs the Battle Armor pilot she tells you not to worry about.
Ban all infantry. This game is about Mechs. Nothing should be allowed to threaten that supremacy.Especially not 100 man infantry platoons armed with 22 caliber pistols.
Another thread, another day Butte Hole has been lost...
Are the clans fucking retarded? I read a bunch of wiki articles about their lore and half of it is them killing each other over petty nonsense
>>96763465this anon lost a match to infantry lmao
>>96763465Thats not how you cheese infantry.
>>96763465Just take anti-infantry weapons
>>96763465I think you mean 100 1-man squads with boomerangs.
>>96763490Bring flamers? Gross.
I demand a canon Submarine with a troop bay so I can deliver UDT teams.
>>96763479Anon, everyone in Battletech is retarded. Including the devs and players. ESPECIALLY the devs and players. The clans ain't nothing special.You can either accept this and get on with enjoying things, or you can't and you can consider yourself filtered.
>>96763513Bruh the torpedo tubes are right there. Just stop being a pussy.
>>96763479>Are the clans fucking retarded?In a word, yes.
Kraken Unleashed manages to make a living as an ultra niche combat outfit doing underwater/littoral combat ops. Would it be possible to make a living as an outfit that specializes in vacuum ops? Are there enough orbital habs and stations for that to be a thing? Would this not even happen because those kinds of facilities are lostech?
So what can we talk about this thread that isn't going to cause retards to chimp out over it?
>>96763603Just don't engage after you realize the poster you're arguing with is immune to logic. It's that easy.
>>96763603Inner Sphere ProtomechsHyperspace cryptidsHow Battletech is an excellent setting to Shadowrun inThe Quickscell IP WarHow to be a bond villain by hiring clan scientists to clone an amaris/cameron.Pick your poison.
>>96763603About how Taurians are big nerds for books and probably still table top wargames reenacting boarder skirmishes against the Federated Suns?
>>96763465This shit every damn day
>>96763565There are plenty of space stations. A niche unit could make money on them, the main problem is that you die quick and easy in space and most of the space habitats that would be worth attacking either died in the early succ or else are too powerful to fuck with. So far, the Wolves and Amaris are the only Terra holders to ever try to fuck with the belters in the Sol system. It did not end well for Amaris and it might not end well for the Wolves unless they're willing to ask the Ravens to bail them out yet again.
>>96763444HAha "Honor the 'Dragon'" Haha, amirite? Haha
>>96763633Don't engage with anyone. Good advice.
>>96763648How big do you think the Amaris Civil War historical wargaming crowd is?
>>96763662Probably almost as big as the American Civil War historical wargaming crowd.
>>96763672So Amaris era players have a 1-to-1 ratio with racists and slavery apologists? That...sounds about right, actually.
>>96763662Probably bigger in the inner sphere then the periphery?
>>96763565>Orbital habs>Space Stations>Enemy warships>Asteroid Mining operations>etcPlenty of money making opportunities and I assume it would get a lot more viable the more tech advances for space mechwarriors with things like partial wing.
>>96763643How common are Protomechs in ilClan anyways?
>>96763657>he main problem is that you die quick and easy in space and most of the space habitats that would be worth attacking either died in the early succ or else are too powerful to fuck with.That seems less than optimal. Maybe instead of niche environments I focused on niche skills. Like pathfinders, cadre training, and COIN ops.
>>96763565>Would it be possible to make a living as an outfit that specializes in vacuum ops? Are there enough orbital habs and stations for that to be a thing? Would this not even happen because those kinds of facilities are lostech?There are quite a few orbitals and stations (most big planets have at least one recharge station), and I don't think that they're lostech.In fact, the Medusans mercenary outfit are basically what you're looking for. They have some ASFs and a few assault DropShips, but also a bunch of space marines and a few companies of 'Mechs trained to operate on the outer hull of spacecraft.
>>96763687I think there is some kind of maneuvering you can do with mechs in zero g. Some of the space omni configs have liquid storage for that purpose. If I am remembering right.
>>96763499>what is a plasma rifle
>>96763688Not very. The Ravens, Horsies, and IIRC Falcons all run some, but not all that many.
>>96763695That's actually not necessarily bad. A spaceship slowing down from re-entry speeds having something hit just the wrong thing could be catastrophic
>>96763707Mechs in space have a very, very small amount of reaction mass built in, which you can expand with liquid storage tanks. iirc, a mech's acceleration is a third of its normal jump speed, so most mechs only move 1 or 2 space hexes, and they all have to expend reaction mass to accelerate, decelerate, and change direction.
>>96763657>So far, the Wolves and Amaris are the only Terra holders to ever try to fuck with the belters in the Sol system. It did not end well for Amaris and it might not end well for the Wolves unless they're willing to ask the Ravens to bail them out yet again.The Belters are one of my least favorite things in nuBT. They belong in a completely different game genre, and feel even more out of place than the cyberpunk supersoldiers that are the Manei Domini.
>>96763703>but also a bunch of space marines and a few companies of 'Mechs trained to operate on the outer hull of spacecraft.I remembered the Medusans, but I thought that they were strictly droppers and ASF and I want to say a warship at one point. Guess what I wanted already exists. As a terminal contrarian I must now chase something else.
>>96763729Thats cool as hell. I finally understand why they added the storage.
>>96763738The popular thing right now is 'being alive', literally everyone is doing it right now. You should try the opposite.
>>96763695This is obviously bullshit. Infantry can't shoot at airborne targets unless they have antiaircraft weapons. What a load of made up shit.
>>96763719I'm still surprised they're making new Protomechs and Protomech pilots, then.
>>96763730>They belong in a completely different game genreIs BT not a pulpy scifi mech game?I will admit, Bryan Youngs depiction of them was pretty bad, thoughever.
>>96763738>and I want to say a warship at one point.That's the Blue Star Irregulars.
>>96763748>literally everyone is doing it right now.Except the dead people. And there are more people that have died then people currently living which makes the contrarian position to be alive. So Guess I will do that.
>>96763444If you had to pick one 'mech to represent each great house and clan, what 'mechs fit the bill? Is it the Griffen for Steiner?
>>96763762I wouldn't describe BT as pulpy, no. And Belters have nothing to do with 'Mechs.Anyway, BT's Belters are stolen straight from Larry Niven, which is...very different.
>>96763762BT is Red Storm Rising with bipedal warmachines and warcrimes.
>>96763766Not canon. Mercs can't have warships. No state would ever allow it.
>>96763766Guess I need to reread the merc books, I'm getting stuff confused.
>>96763730The main point of the Belters is that they have never, ever, not even once, been set back technologically. They were not impacted by the Terran Alliance collapsing, the Age of War, the economic shitfuckery the Star League inflicted on everyone else, the fall of the Star League, the succession wars only prevented them from trading with outsiders but they weren't doing much of that anyway. The clan invasion, civil war, and even Jihad didn't touch them. The Stoners just tried to recruit their good pilots but otherwise didn't touch them. They benefited from all of the governments that took over the system except Amaris and so far the Wolves. On the bar graph of advancements, they have never dipped while everyone else did at least a little.
>>96763780Do you have nothing better to do than spend all your time spouting bullshit?
>>96763793We should kill them before they become a threat.
>>96763780I know you're trolling but
>>96763793Right. And that feels like it's from another genre.
>>96763811A knife fight is a friendly greeting for them because their med tech is so advanced there's no consequences.
>>96763807Pocket Warships don't count as Warships, right? Because a Leopard with some big ass missiles counts as a Pocket Warship.
>>96763807I don't care what source you have. No state would ever allow a private military unit to have a vessel capable of orbital bombardment of a capitol world. It's too much of a threat in being. Whatever the source is, it's wrong and noncanon.
>>96763775>I wouldn't describe BT as pulpy, no.Well that's what I got from the novels I've read and the lore I've seen.But I don't want to start an argument. BT has enough of an identity crisis as it is.
>>96763820Pocket Warships LITERALLY didn't exist when that was written, anon.
>>96763824BT is whatever you want it to be baby as long as you can afford it.
>>96763820Fredasas are full WarShips. Tiny ones, but still real WarShips.Note the "KF Drive Integrity".
>>96763793The main point of the Belters is that they are the only ones who haven't fallen for the Battlemech meme.
>>96763812They're supposed to show what could have been. They're also only as relevant as the authors make them, if the Wolves do the same thing every other government did ("tell everyone you respect the Ilclan and also don't give them anything nice and we'll leave you alone") then the Belters will fade back into obscurity. They don't want outside attention, because they've seen what those losers do to things that catch their attention. If the Wolves keep fucking with them, then they'll eventually be a linchpin in their downfall, just like they were for Amaris.
>>96763857>then they'll eventually be a linchpin in their downfall, just like they were for Amaris.And suddenly they're no longer in obscurity.Suddenly this group of people who came out of literally fucking nowhere and whose society, aesthetics, and roll are completely and utterly unlike anything else in BattleTech are holding a pivotal role, not only in the present but in the past.Fuck Catalyst and their endless fucking retcons.
>>96763821
At what size does a merc unit enter mary sue territory?
>>967638805 or more Mechs
>>96763881So if I don't have mechs the skies the limit? Sweet. Thanks anon.
>>96763821Blue Star Irregulars Field Manual - Mercenaries page 41.Its canon but they no longer exist after getting hit hard by Green Turkies.
>>96763880>At what size does a merc unit enter mary sue territory?Mercs being Mary Sues depends more on their lore than size and it also depends on the time period. The Big Mac have multiple regiments but don't feel like Mary Sues unlike the Dragoons that have been Mary Sues since day 1 with numerous egregious things like them running rings around all IS spy agencies despite being literal retarded Clanners.
>>96763880Depends entirely on circumstances. If you just create a unit from scratch, you start pushing into Sue territory if you own a Jumpship, or a dropper bigger than a Union, or you've got more than a couple of Mech companies, or if you have more than 5% of your pilots with ratings better than 3/4.But the flip is that, if you earned it during legitimate gameplay and following the game rules, literally NO unit composition or personnel breakdown is Mary Sue. Ever. If your Mech company is running 10 Warhawk Cs because you salvaged them from an anti clan contract and you made all the rolls to get parts and to fix them and maintain them, then you get to use those Warhawks free of other people's whining. That's the reward for playing the game good. Getting nice things as a result of real gameplay is NEVER being a Mary Sue.
>>96763909What about the GDL?
>>96763921They had a novel written about them. That makes them sues apart from anything else.
>>96763914But I rolled for the dropships, and the jumpship, (and tried for a warship), following the rules from the book. If I rolled to start with 200,000 million c-bills to build by merc unit and I make a regiment, that's what I get to do.
>>96763914>If you just create a unit from scratchYesI don't plan on having any jumpships or droppers. A single company of mechs. However I was thinking of substantial non mech forces. A battalion of armor, lots of infantry, infantry specialists, arty battery, some type of air assets, and a VTOL transport company, lots of logi and support stuff.
>>96763880It's battletech's fault for inadvertently making it insanely, almost completely unreasonably expensive to start a merc company in the first place, and then deliberately filling the setting with lost caches of super tech, and their most popular stories being about plucky young merc companies.It primes people to make mercs the way they do.
>>96763880I always say sueness is dependent on how big your merc forces are after building from scratch.I got my guys forming on the first SW and currently at IlClan era they are only at 2 Battalions worth of strength and its not always at 100% strength too.
Answer to the reply I got in the last thread (https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96744410/#96761088):>If the ammo comes in cassettes as they're typically described, then probably not. The whole mechanism would be designed to get a cassette stack in, fired, and ejected asap. Firing a single shot would require adding parts to stop the whole thing in the middle of its routine. Maybe you could load a cassette with just one round and then it clicks over the empty slots, but why would you bother doing that?I asked about the idea of autocannons with selective fire because wouldn't it be beneficial for the Mechwarrior to conserve ammo depending on how long a fight is?
>>96763938As long as you have your die rolls saved and postable as a log, and not something that can be digitally edited after the fact, then that's completely fine. But rolling physical dice with no record of their rolls doesn't count, so you're probably still cheating and hiding behind claims of good rolls. Which makes you a Mary Sue.
Oh hey, it's your good friend Ace Darwin, he's here at the hiring hall's beachfront office looking to put together a unit for a new job. All you have to do is bring a war machine and paint a pink cat paw on the ankle/side. What're you bringing?
>>96764002I rolled them in front of the GM.
>>96764002Mary sue setting to be frank. They should add fate dice you can use to reroll instant kill critical hits.
>>96764019I have a slightly used pickup.
>>96764041It's called Edg and having it makes you a mary sue.
>>96763709a thing which makes the penis hard.
>>96764056Edge*Mary sue-ass typos.
>>96763762>>96763730 it is literally CGL stealing the "expanse"-'s whole shit, and pretending they didn't because belters were technically mentioned way back in some BT books in the 80's.
>>96764056All mechwarriors are mary sues. It comes with being important and having a super cool powerful robot and access to gajillion dollar transportation to get anywhere in the first place.
>>96764088That's why all my guys are PBI in the planetary militia who never go anywhere or do anything but avoid their wives while drinking in the woods and shooting guns claiming it's 'drill weekend'. They're all 5/6 or worse.
>>96764073Oh yeah, because BT was a bastion of originality before that. Certainly no one took ideas from a bunch of old anime and Traveller and Dune.
>>96764073>it is literally CGL stealing the "expanse"-'s whole shit,Bro, like that other anon said, it's Larry Niven Known Space. BattleTech's Belters are smug libertarians, not an oppressed proletariat.
>>96764109That sounds like a self insert character concept, given that you're probably a loser who avoids women while going drinking and shooting in the woods. That makes you a Mary Sue by definition.
>>96764156>>96764120the only reason CGL even fucking are doing anything with the belters, is because of "the expanse".
>>96764220>loser>avoids womensounds like someone who wants to keep their shit, and stay out of jail.
>>96764220"she's different, she Luuuuurrrrrves Me!" -suicidally retarded anon who insists his donkey IS in fact, a unicorn.
>>96764255Well that, and because Mike Miller is a massive autistic faggot whos only happy with hard sci-fi settings and who doesn't believe in fun.
>>96763643Battletech x Shadowrun is a game I NEED to playoh wait that's just Lancer but made number crunchy AF
>>96764286No no, he's a materials engineer, that basically makes him a PhD physicist!
>>96764311Boy, do I have a stupid thing for you.
Kanazuchi, Grenadier, or Sloth?
>>96764330Ogre
>>96764322thanks, this will do nicely to rot my brain!
>>96764330Kanazuchi. 2 x Support PPC on a BA that can tank a direct hit from an ER PPC, yes please! (although I recognize a ton of the plusses of BA are lost at this level of bulk)
>>96764330
>>96764320I already said he was a massive autistic faggot. You didn't have to repeat it.
>>96764335I wish them having Heavy Battle Claws had more effects than simply leaving them with less space for other equipment.
>>96764396Heavy BA should be able to do swarm attacks on vehicles and leg attacks on mechs.
Is the Cuchulain the Regent of Battle Armor?
>>96764423Which IS model is it a straight rip-off of?
>>96764426I guess that throws a wrench in that idea. I was looking at it as a long range heavier unit with Clantech weapons that surprisingly makes it's way around.
>>96763460People don't comprehend how massive Elementals supposedly are.
>>96764531God I wish I was her.
>>96763479See, that's what I love about Battletech. No matter how wacky some of the sci-fi technology gets, it always feels true to the spirit of real military history.
>>96763657There was an idea in another thread a while back for a space station focused region called the Exodus Archipelago, a Sea Fox-led megaproject to create a territorial bridge between the Inner Sphere and the Clan Homeworlds by filling the intervening systems lacking terraformable planets with O'Neill Cylinder colonies.
>>96763465Run Flamers and AOE weapons.Laugh.
>>96764610You lost me at Sea Fox.
>>96764616No. That's tonnage I'm not using on pulse lasers, PPC, and gauss rifles. Fuck off.
>PPCs are said to be so damaging to electronics that the weapon is hardcoded to be unable to be fired at targets that are too close>literally doesn't do anything to electronics and has no effect beyond normal damageHas anyone told them they could just turn off the restriction and it wouldn't do anything?
>>96764658>Disengaging a PPC’s field inhibitor removes the minimum range modifier, at the risk of subjecting the firing unit to particle feedback. To disengage a unit’s PPC inhibitor, a player must declare the inhibitor disengaged during the End Phase of a turn; the inhibitor will stay disengaged until a player announces during a subsequent End Phase that it is re-engaged. The standard minimum-range modifier does not apply to that attack; otherwise, the player makes his to-hit roll per standard rules. The player must then roll 2D6 and compare it to the PPC Feedback Table, below, to determine if the shot causes particle feedback. If the result is less than the safe level shown above, the first unmarked PPC critical slot is destroyed and the ’Mech takes additional damage equal to the Damage Value of the PPC (as well as capacitor, if the PPC is connected to one and it is charged) to the internal structure of the body location in which the weapon was mounted, even if the Expanded Critical Damage rules[2] are in effect. CASE will stop damage transfer, but the MechWarrior will always take two pilot hits.
>>96764658Wait, PPCs don't give accuracy penalties like in the vidya? I'm just starting to get into the original game now 'cause I had fun with HBS and MW5. In the former anything hit by one gets a debuff to their accuracy next turn and in Mechwarrior getting hit by one or shooting your own off too close makes your screen go blurry for a few seconds.
>>96764845Yet again tacops comes to the rescue with an overly complex optional rule no one will ever use and that doesn't even strictly make sense. It's supposed to scramble electronics from saturated fire, not blow up your gun and do nothing to your enemies.
>>96764652I can't tell if you're trying to be funny or not.
>>96764923sometimes you really have to wonder what they were smoking
>>96764923Blowing up your own PPC because you disengaged the safety protocols happened in the in the very first fucking BT novel you fucking useless newfag. Don't fucking come back here until you've bought a PHYSICAL copy of Sword & Dagger, read it, twice, and actually comprehended it.
>>96765029retarded 40kiddies do not comprehend that the GAME, the TABLETOP is a horrific gameification and simplification / simulationthe CANON, the actual 'events' and the 'reality' are in the BOOKS, the novels. FOR GOOD OR BAD.
On reporting names of Clan mechs, were there names the Clans themselves actually liked over the original names of their mechs?
>>96765110Next you'll tell me all autocannons only fire a single shell and not a burst of shells
>>96765029>>96765110Mary sue bullshit, there's no need for that in a game about people that aren't the protagonists of cheap novels for the kiddies.
I see no issue in killing Kuritans bugs.
>>96765110>the CANON, the actual 'events' and the 'reality'lol, wrong and stupid bothAll that matters is the game. That's the only reality anyone cares about. Go jack off to your 30 year old pulpshit novels, and leave people who actually play the game alone.
>>96765029You are so right. All the stuff that is in the first few novels is 100% canon. Hey real quick tell me about the Erit cluster in the dark nebula. It has one of the three jumpship repair yards in the Lyran Commonwealth, so it must be really important, right?Oh also, the stone age aliens on stein's folly. There must have been a whole bunch about them, right?
>>96765133That's probably just going to be a very personal thing outside of the Sea Merchants. There must be some who do for some IS reporting names are shorter and more concise or more distinct, and those who feel the opposite because its like using contractions.
>>96763831this but unironically, and I kinda love that about it. You can basically do whatever kind of story set in BT you want and make it work.
>>96765133Yes. Most OZ clanners by the 3060's just used the IS names. It has to do with their generations being so short and being saturated with IS media. Some stuff like Cauldron Born and Grendel got used basically immediately.It's only CGL being retards in ilClan trying to roll any of that back. The only example of it in the OG DA was the Madcat Mk IV having the alternate name Savage Wolf. But, even the Falcons who were the most conservative of the clans called their stuff Thors and Lokis and Ullers and so on in the DA.
>>96765231It could just be a RETVRN TO TRADITION movement, clanners getting spooked about IS blue jeans and rock and roll devil music corrupting the youths is supposed to be pretty constant. That's why they lock themselves away in little compounds where they can maximize internal propaganda media and minimize outside corruption/influence.
>>96765231>It's only CGL being retards in ilClan trying to roll any of that back.That's because it was only writers being lazy that caused it to happen in the first place.The Cauldron Born was called out specifically for other Clanners referring to it by the IS name since the Jaguars kept it close to their chest in the Homeworlds and deployed it first in the IS, which strongly suggests that native names are still being used otherwise (this is actually what "the exception that proves the rule" means).
>>96765276In the real world, Cauldron Born was the OG and only name for nearly 20 years until one anon bitching and wanting "clan names" on the OF finally got his Epic Faguar.Also, you literally see the clanners themselves in the novels using nothing but the IS names in the DA.
>>96764531The best way to explain it to people is that by Elemental standards, Shaq is 5'6" and dangerously skinny.The average Elemental is about 230-240m. That means that the average normal person is going to be staring at their sternum. A tall Elemental is as tall as someone sitting on someone else's shoulders. If a short woman meets a tall Elemental, his crotch will literally be at her eye height.Considering how tall Pilots are, this probably happens a lot
>>96765291The DA is not the 3060s.
>>96765331There's plenty of cases there, too. I just don't want to dig into Civil War and Jihad stuff. You go check the post-Twilight stuff.
>>96765331Madcat Mk II>mic drop
>>96765334The Sharks explicitly named it that because they wanted to market it to Spheroids. Just like when they gave a Japanese name to their "We're totally not designing this Mech to sell to the Dracs".
>>96765435Yet every iterative clan mech was named the IS version. The "Hel" and such shit is CGL ilClan nonsense.
>>96765435>Sharks>Shartsftfy
On the tabletop, what's the best strategy against clanners if you're playing as IS?
>>96765541Bury them in armor, cheap old 3025 zombies. They can only kite or hope to get lucky. In heavy terrain, they are extra fucked. That's the problem with expensive units in general. Same reason tanks and field guns can bury mechs that aren't equipped to deal with conventionals.
>>96765212>All the stuff that is in the first few novels is 100% canon.Yes. Unless it's been explicitly retconned, it is. Die.
>>96765541Air power and infantry, just like IRL. Field nothing but infantry field guns and torrent bombers level dropping thermobarics. Mechs are a shit weapons technology. Good conventional weapons win every time.
Is there an optional ruleset for the mech commander being on the battlefield? Meaning, you are commanding the lance on a mech that's actually in the fight, so if you go down it's gg regardless of everything else.
>>96765541You just lose if they know what they're doing and don't fall for any of the obvious traps like spending all their bv on overpriced laser yachts. Improved jump jets and pulse lasers will have grogs pawing through tac ops looking for bizarre shit with broken rules to fling at them, and it's all shit they also have access to anyway.Grogs will cry out that you can fight them using smoke and artillery. They can also use smoke and artillery. You basically just have to hope they're not playing for keeps too.
>>96765541You do not. Clanners can always fall back on orbital bombardment. You cannot. Clans win. So sad.
>>96765541Engage them in an Aerospace battle. Don't let them set foot on the surface.
>>96763603I wanna talk about bottom anon.
>>96765541If they're playing with Zell? Outsmart them into inefficient match-ups, then clean up the survivors. If they're not playing with Zell you're just kinda SOL; fight them like you would any other superior opponent with greater range than you. Flank aggressively and don't let them set up on you. Generally you're going to have superior numbers, so divide and conquer.It's gonna be uphill, but it makes the victory all the sweeter.On a more meta level; don't let clan players dictate optimal BVs. Force them to make choices in what to bring instead of forcing you to scrounge together the numbers to match BV. Additionally, organizing scenarios other than team-deathmatch will give you room to strategize and play something other than the pure numbers game.
>>96765783Gay
>>96765595I feel like you just wrote the rules for that.
>>96765834>On a more meta level; don't let clan players dictate optimal BVs. Force them to make choices in what to bring instead of forcing you to scrounge together the numbers to match BV. Additionally, organizing scenarios other than team-deathmatch will give you room to strategize and play something other than the pure numbers game.Even if you set BV numbers so that you bring a full lance and they bring a Timber Wolf and a Kit Fox, any half competent player will win unless the terrain is specifically chosen to be bad....So choose that terrain, sure. There's plenty to do to at up a game against the Clans, but just seeing a low BV won't do it.
Kill freeborn. Behead freeborn. Roundhouse kick a freeborn into the concrete. Slam dunk a freeborn b*by into the trashcan. Crucify filthy spheroids. Defecate in a freeborn food. Launch freeborn into the sun. Stir fry freeborn in a wok. Toss freeborn into active volcanoes. Urinate into a freeborn fusion reactor. Judo throw freeborn into a wood chipper. Twist freeborn heads off. Report freeborn to the Clan Paramilitary Police. Karate chop freeborn in half. Curb stomp pregnant freeborn. Trap freeborn in quicksand. Crush freeborn in the trash compactor. Liquefy freeborn in a vat of acid. Eat freeborn. Dissect freeborn. Exterminate freeborn in the gas chamber. Stomp freeborn skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate freeborn in the oven. Lobotomize freeborn. Mandatory abortions for freeborn. Grind freeborn fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown freeborn in fried chicken grease. Vaporize freeborn with a Large Pulse Laser. Kick solahma freeborn down the stairs. Feed freeborn to alligators. Slice freeborn with a katana.
>>96764322Always thought the Combine would be more believable with actual Dragons...>>96765328>That means that the average normal person is going to be staring at their sternum.Really...>>96765545>That's the problem with expensive units in general.Yeah, my group was doing an "IS got wind of the Clan Invasion early" campaign and one of the reasons I think it died so quickly was your Clan Mech choice had to split 4000 BV with your IS choice AND be a mandatory 3/4 at that.
>>96763479>Are the clans fucking retarded?Yes. I still play clans because playing a retarded faction can be very fun, and I like that sweet clan tech.
>>96765541Assuming neither side is trying to cheese the other and it’s a mostly mech-focused game, IS will have either more units, more armor, better pilots, or all of the above. Numbers make IS better at objective control, and the extra armor means and tendency to skew heavier against an equal BV of clan forces means that if the clan mechs are forced to approach, it gets very messy for them. Deathmatch is probably the worst kind of game to play against them, since if there isn’t a time limit or objective to fight over, the clan player can just play keep-away and slag a few mechs on the approach, and by the time the IS units close the gap they’re going to be even on units and tonnage and way outgunned. Game modes that force them to approach your units will be much more favorable. Similarly, bigger and more open maps are worse for the IS since it lets clans utilize their superior range. Basically anything that helps force a close-range brawl will be in favor of the IS player.
>>96764554One of my favorite bits of flavor in BT is procurement boondoggles. The best is this one WarShip whose name I don't remember where it was obvious it was crap before it reached production, but the SLDF bought a couple hundred anyway because the alternative would have involved firing admirals.
How do you insert Pathfinders in btech? I assume you drop them in way in advance of the raid on the far from where a garrison would patrol. But the locals are gonna know something is up. Also your Pathfinders have to cover a lot of ground to get to what they need to recon. Is there a way around this?
>>96766311This is where LAMs shine. No, really. Otherwise you can slp a Leopard or Invader in if you're careful.
>>96765894It's odd, not matter how many times I read this online it never is reflected on my table. Clan mechs are so expensive the matches are usually close, comes down to lots of firepower vs numbers advantage and lots of armor.
>>96765541Spiders. You can bring 4-5 spiders to fight a mad cat, move through its entire weapons range in two turns, and then start kicking until it falls over.
Is AMS worth having?
>>96765545>>96765566>>96765704>>96765746>>96765766>>96765834>>96765894>>96766283>>96766639>>96766662Lots of contradictory answers.
>>96766800They are all true though?
>>96765231>in the DAWho the fuck cares about on-canon fanfiction bullshit? If it's post-FCCW it's meaningless.
>>96763479Wait until you read about their fursuits.
>>96766800If you ignore the posts that say “you just lose” all the other advice is good
>>96766704Depends on your local meta
>>96767081You agree with the guy who said to instead have an aerospace battle?
>>96766979Hmkay. Your opinion comes 23 years after the FCCW storyline finished, so it's meaningless.I see your point and agree.
>>96766431I agree, but I was thinking of traditional infantry Pathfinders. I probably should have specified. If you were to use LAMS how would you keep from being observed as you near you objectives? Or do you just do it hot and blast off to orbit afterwards?
>>96767122I mean at least they dont have ER NL 45.
>>96763643>The Quickscell IP WarQue?
>>96767122Have you ever played an IS vs Clan aerotech match before?
>>96767254No one has ever played an aerotech only game before. It's purely theoretical.
>>96767246Chances are pretty good that a lot of these manufacturers were in jurisdictions that don't care about IP lawsuits for military hardware. So what's a megacorp to do? Hire mercenaries and embark on some less metaphorical lawfare, of course!
>>96764865>PPCs don't give accuracy penalties like in the vidya?Correct.
>>96767323kek, I can assure you of one of the five people who have done so you'd be surprised how much butthurt it causes Clanners, mainly when they run out of fuel and get pecked to death.
