Trench editionPrevious Heresy: >>96747573>Legacies:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Thread Question:Are we going to get any Heresy reveals at Warhammer Day (and what do you think they will be)?
>>96766169They'll put the new assault terminators into a heresy box
>>96766169Something's missing
>>96766169Where horse
>>96766188it's about damn time>>96766169Mechanicum refresh
>>96766200>>96766209I'm sorry bro's. I don't have any heresy pictures with uma's in them.
>>96766228>>96766228ere we go
>>96766228Then why make the thread dipshit
Just finished Legion. I loved the setting building vastly more than the scant depiction of the Alpha Legion. Even if this is the book that defines their core like using espionage, Alpharius Omegon being twins and actually out-spying the spy sent after them. I guess that's because I already knew that from HH3, but I did like that last bit.But the human factions are great. The Geno Chiliad, the Lucifer Blacks. Even the Nurthene, both their military and society. Makes me want to see more Imperial ArmyDo we get to see any more of Peto Soneka, Rukshanna or Hurtado Bronzi ever again in the series? I'd really like to see more of the Geno Chiliad. They cannot end like that :(I really didn't like the AL exfiltrating like that. Feels like a waste, and I like my headcanon about their motivations more LMAO Third option: Eternal Stalemate. No side wins and chaos isn't defeated, but the Imperium survives, even if that needs it to be locked in a forever war>>96766169Awright thanks m8 >>96766209Rip Horse Heresy
>>96766200good, fuck off with that cutesy anime bullshit, it doesn't belong here and much less in the fucking OP
Had a lovely modest game of Death Guard vs Death Guard using 2nd ed rules. Was fun having big 20 man blocks of tactical marines firing at one another with fury of the legion whilst on the move.
>>96766268I've been a bit busy so I've been jumping in an out of the threads recently. I didn't know the horse was mandatory.Have an updated picture.
Where's his model?
>>96766200>>96766209Faggots need to get out and your tranime is gay as fuck
>>96766407>Complaining about somthing being gay>In a warhammer threadAnon...
Three tactical squads and a squad of tactical vets is enough line for 3k right?
>>96766571I use 3 tactical squads, a despoiler squad, and tactical vets because I assume most of them will die
>>96766614I also use a medusan immortals squad for what it's worth, they're expendable not line but they're a good distraction when they pop out of their termite that keeps my line units alive a little longer
>>96766614A despoiler squad could be an idea, although im currently going with a terror squad. Dropping it for 10 despoilers and then maybe a rhino or two could be an eventual plan. Or just more power armor goons.
>>96766407>is gay as fuckReally now? In my BL thread? In my sweaty men wrestling and being all tsundere and shit with each other. In my "vaguely based off the Iliad" wargaming thread?
>>96766407>Hates anime>Hates the gay>Goes to thread about a gay space opera>On an anime websiteWew lad.
>>96766169>TQThe sneak peeks of embiggened Cataphractii and also Custodes are possibly getting a bit overdue, so maybe those?>>96765361Not bad to measure deployment zones with in a pinch if it's already on-hand.
>>96767076>Not bad to measure deployment zones with in a pinch if it's already on-hand.Oh my god
>>96766324Umazing>>96766200>>96766209I can't make every thread. I'm glad other people are making them more frequently. just as planned.
Okay but can we mix up the horse a bit. As much as I like gold ship there are other boob horses.
>>96767285Nope
>>96767285Haru Urara is also acceptable, but no other
Which gun would suit a unit of Squat Milita the best?
>>96765361it's a handy little thing for new players that doesn't really add to cost or mean something else can't be includedunintentionally it's also an independent measure you can check against your own (or your opponent's) tape measure if you think one of them is out (as the cheap ones very often are)
>>96767355thudd gun
>>96767355>even having to ask this
>>96767285I don't know any other horses, I don't even play the game nor do I plan on learning the other horses. I just think it's hilarious.
>>96767467Consider this contender for most retarded horse.
Fuck your anime horse bs, this is a sagittary centaur setting
>>96767467Waiting for total cultural victory when Sunset Shimmer finally makes an appearance.
>>96767593The beleaguered and embattled ponyfags will one day be victorious in their desperate struggle against the degenerate umacoomer barbarians.
So whats everyone working on?
>>96767845busy basecoating shit
>>96767845Assembling faturnine dreadslop plasma brapardHopefully priming my phraetus + centurion
How does this list look? Both as a list (yea I know the terror squad probably isnt optimal) and in terms of names.
>>96767904>naming every detachment, character, and squadI KNEEL
>>96767904excel lists, it brings back good memories
Anyone have the images of the Saturnine book lore on different legions and their Saturnine? Want to get an idea how my World Eater's used theirs.
Has anyone else noticed the community has become significantly less historical-minded and much more competitive ever since 3.0 dropped? Where did all the grogs go?
>>96767927I tried, although im not sure if the names are very good (doesent help NL names seem to have very little "structure" to them - its not like claws/talons/whatever are an actual rank or formation, also I have no idea how to name thinks like rapier batteries and rhinoes)
>>96768002The fuck are you on about, this general's always been filled with retarded wannabe Waacfags, why do you think they insist that the only Terminators worth taking are WS5 ones with thunder hammers
>>96768002Cant say I have, both anecdotally and online, the edition seems less "meta-defined" than 2eWhether thats ignorance, simply a case of the edition being younger or whatever? Idk, but things feel a lot "freer" than last ed
>>96768002Only explanation I have is that in my area, the "historical-minded" dont like how missions and army building has narrowed armies to being more similar and are taking breaks/still playing second edition hoping in a year the journals give more options. Like my Blood Angel player who has been a jump pack drop pod player since 1.0 is completely out of it. My White scars player didnt like all their bikes being made way less workable and now needs to paint 40 infantry. Doesnt help that alot of legion themed units are generally overpriced and generic veterans just do their jobs better.Meanwhile, the people that like the gameplay aspects are more excited, like the army building process, like the core rules and like the emphasis on tactical marines and such. Actually have more 40k players jumping on then when 2nd dropped. The historical players aren't "gone" they are just not interested because they all don't want to spam 40 tactical marines in rhinos.
>>96768100>Like my Blood Angel player who has been a jump pack drop pod player since 1.0 is completely out of it. My White scars player didnt like all their bikes being made way less workable and now needs to paint 40 infantry. Doesnt help that alot of legion themed units are generally overpriced and generic veterans just do their jobs better.That's not what a historical player is though. A historical player would happily include waves of troops with only a smattering of specialists and legion troops for a more balanced force composition like in the black books. What you're describing is a thematic player, someone who got into a legion to pursue one of its subthemes rather than to collect a holistic force.
>>96768150>What you're describing is a thematic player, someone who got into a legion to pursue one of its subthemes rather than to collect a holistic force.To be fair, those essentially ARE what "historical" HH players always were, people that enjoyed using the rules to express the themes of the legions and then reinforced by those who rejected 8th edition for being way less creative with its army system. Back in 1.0, no one really wanted to just spam lines of infantry, its why 2.0 really pushed 20 man infantry squads and 3.0 made tacticals vitally important. if your trying to force "historical" to mean "plays Warhammer like its a Napoleonic game", that just never existed in the first place.
>>96768002I went over to the 30k EA stuff when 2.0 dropped and have been messing around with making fluffy things there since. I might also get some spessh ships for battlefleet heresy.
Does a barrage (X) weapon firing indirectly roll X+1 dice to determine scatter range or X dice to determine scatter range?Also, what happen if a blast attacks misses but the scatter die is the target symbol?
>>96768035Yeah lol. I genuinely can’t remember the last game I had of 2.0 without a contemptor/leviathan. Outside of the “obviously new army built from the launch box,” I’m seeing a lot more variety. People are running stupid and crazy lists and it’s great to see outside of the few exceptions in 2.0 like nl and ws bike lists
>>96768325X dice, and you still scatter following the arrow emboldened on the hit symbol
>>96768100>they all don't want to spam 40 tactical marines in rhinos.I wonder what put them off, do you think it was the AL spamming Fulmentarus for most of 2.0
>>96766169Heya, you guys should put legionbuilder.app in the OP, it's a great resource for LI.
>>96767845Tau
>>96768414All the more reasons not to put it in the OP then.
I can't decide which weapons to pick.
>>96768481The volkite culverin is the sexiest.
>>96768375Arigatou
Got a cheap Age of Darkness 2.0 box and diving into Heresy.Leaning towards Imperial Fists but I don't want to paint yellow.What are my options here, should I go Ultramarines instead?
>>96768538Salamanders.
>>96768489Horizontal volkite is ugly
>>96768489Volkite weapons positioned sideways is a sin against good taste and the Emperor himself, even if it makes more sense.
>>96768474t. squealing nogames manchild
>>96768553Too nice & I don't like the lizard fetish.Want a brutal loyalist legion with a focus on terminators & bolter dudes
>>96768002Because we are slowly being infiltrated by people that want nothing but to win (to a degree anyone can understand wanting to win) because they are fucking losers and have nothing else going for them in life. Same reason why people bitch and scream at GW wanting them to bend however they feel at the time. Because they are fucking losers. The spirit of the game was just that…the game. As long as the game told a story and it wasn’t about one upping your opponent and min maxing like a fucking soulless freak, then everyone wins.
>>96768481Battery + autocannon
>>96768634>As long as the game told a story and it wasn’t about one upping your opponent and min maxing like a fucking soulless freak, then everyone wins.Exactly. It started with the non-Astartes factions. Who would want to play Auxilia in the Heresy and win games? It's anti-narrative. Non-space marine factions should always lose fair fights.
>>96768700Stop posting forever.
>>96768700Arguably the asymmetrical gameplay is a bit where some of the soul of old school 40k and HH lies. If you want to play Militia for example, then die on your feet like a fucking man. And if you win, that makes for a compelling story when the legion shows up in full. Kind of like Halo Reach. Small victories but small moments of self sacrifice to maybe get VIPs off planet. Shit like that is what keeps people coming back to the table.
>>96767860Cool tonk, what legion?
>>96768382Literally no Alpha Legion player I knew all 2.0 used Fulmentarus, the most common stolen units were Siege tyrants and Inner Circle.
>>96768735My fucking sides. I see what you did there.
>>96768634>No games retards thinking you cant build a good list and have a good game with it>"B-but people could build broken armies" The amount of people I saw min maxing in 2.0 was like 2 and they were only Ultra players who had to be told "hey, if you play more then one full Suzerain squad your not going to get games often" and toned it down.
>>96768481i like autocannons :)
>>96768733Militia should only be able to win through sheer luck. The difference in power at an even points value should be that an experienced militia player will still get rocked by an inexperienced Astartes player.
>>96768769Is it truly the no games and no models crowd echo chamber
>>96768769All the Ultramarines players around where I was at were running 2 or 3 Suzerain squads, they said they had to have them to compete because their legion rules were so bad.
Why I’m sticking with 2.0
>cloudy>check forecast>no rain>start priming>66% complete>starts rainingWe're hitting levels of have faith that shouldn't be possible
>>96768634>we are slowly being infiltrated by people that want nothing but to winAnd yet most of the 2.0grogs complaing about 3.0 ran FoTA. Curious . . .
>>96768800whats stopping you from having this in 3.0
>>96768800>NOOOOO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO ONE SHOT A SPARTAN WITH ONE UNIT OF POWER LANCES IT'S NOT FAAAAIRFuck off mong
>>96768738every time I even saw photos of someone's Fulmentarus they were in AL armiesone dude literally had 30 of them, and I know I saw those pictures in /hhg/
>>96768481anybody else think it's weird that the melta lance is the only melta weapon that doesn't have the Melta (X) rule? it's a good gun, it'll fuck shit up with D4 and S9/10, but it's the only one and I think it's intentional because it has native Armourbanestrange
>>96768602I hate to say it but Iron Hands
>>96769025Huh, seems to be a carryover from second, guess it's just a thing for that weapon.
>>96769049We do get two different faction terminator units
>>96767860>Get a super heavy>Gets it fancy doorsAs one should. Very based.
>>96768800Arent bikes really good in 3.0? Bike command squads look insane frankly now that theyre 3w each. Speeders also look really well costed. Is it just the scoring issues?
>>96768481I didn't know it had a lascannon, anyone have a pic with it?
>>96769183NTA but I assume so. I'm currently doing WS, and it's a little annoying how everyone just says "bikes only" when clearly the Legion would have utilised tacticals and tanks and assault squads and termies and whatever else just like everyone else. Other WS players have to get over it a bit.
Wait, heavy sentinels had lascannons the whole fucking time? It's not even shown on the website or box.WHY?
Do you think anyone would care if I used this guy as a centurion in gorgon armor? The power maul is a little weak, could just say it's a thunder hammer or try to find a hammer that works with the pose.
>>96769240>this model is so LE KEWL PLEASE LET ME USE IT btw that obvious powermaul is ackshually the WAACfag anti-TEQ weapon, also storm bolters are canon to 30kMake like an Immortal and hold the center objective
>>96769200The thing is that (at least on paper) basic bikes are insanely good. Theyre 20pts for double the durability of a tactical around double the firepower (technically less if they fury, but then you have firestorm to compensate) plus youre insanely fast. Even without plasma bikes just look really appealing. I can on some level understand people being annoyed that 100% pure bike lists arent viable (not that they really ever were last edition mind you, bikes were awful in 2e) but the unit seems finally fun to use, I just wish they were 2A so they could have a bit more hybrid melee ability,.
>>96769240If you swap his weapons then I wouldn't mind
>>96769240I think if you want to use it as a thunder hammer you should replace it with a thunder hammer. Also maybe consider changing the gun to something more appropriate like a combi bolter.Beyond that? I think its fine. Technically indomitus vs tartaros but its teched up and stuff so I think it works.
>>96769283I don't disagree, but WS are not just one thing and though the bikes are a huge part of that identity, it's not at the exclusion of literally everything else
Can’t score
>>96769323Yea, I can sympathize with someone who DID have a full bike list and is now kinda (even more) fucked, but really one note spam armies arent that interesting (or healthy for the game)."every legion used everything" isnt just true, it makes for more interesting games.
>>96769307Gorgon, not tartaros. Gorgon is literally an indomitus variantI'd probably swap the storm bolter for a combi melta or something. >>96769277>waacfagPower mauls are fucking garbage for an actual fighter, they're fine to give to like a random sergeant or assault marine but are you really telling me you're going to have a minimum 130 point character use a power maul? If your 130 point character is using something other than a paragon blade, power fist, or thunder hammer you're begging to get clowned on by someone who does have that.
>>96769349>Gorgon is literally an indomitus variantI thought Gorgon was a tartaros variant? Is it actually just straight up indomitus?
>>96769362Gorgon is an upgrade for a tartaros character, but the armor itself is based on indomitus.These are gorgon terminators.
Bikes and speeders aren’t line or vanguard. They’re not particularly bad, it just makes for an army that can score points. I’m not interested in spamming tacticals, rhinos, and centurions. There’s no problem getting a game of 2.0 here either so they can keep their 3.0 garbage.
>>96769376Huh, based on the upgrade I assumed it was a tartaros variant. But yea, if its actually Indomitus theres literally no reason that dude wouldnt work (with a different gun)>>96769386Bikes are vanguard(1), and have the ranged firepower to potentially score it at range. Line bikes would be pointless since they cant hold objectives.
>>96769349wow that's a lot 40kid waacfag wordstoo bad I ain't readin' 'em
>>96769398Honestly with the crotch plate and the cog tooth shoulders dude looks more like gorgon armor than indomitus armor to begin with
Look again, bikes with wheels are vanguard 1. See any wheels on my army?
>>96769240As long as you don't paint him as a nigger
>>96769386Outriders are vanguard, and you can give any unit vanguard with a Master of SignalsWS also have one of the best line units in the game through Expendable (2) tacticals/despoilers>There’s no problem getting a game of 2.0 here either so they can keep their 3.0 garbage.But bikes are awful in 2.0, it's not a viable army list there at all
I think you're a whiny fag and for that reason I'm glad you're stuck in the 2.0 ghetto with your bikes.
>>96769349I knowe a guy who runs his cata centurion with a power axe because thats what the model has. There is nothing wrong with giving your character a thunder hammer, its obviously correct over a power maul mechanically, but someone really bothered by the "suboptimalness" of the model he wants to use because it looks good is clearly WAAC. "man this guy looks so cool I really want to use him, do you mind if his loadout just counts as something entirely different because its not the meta?" is WAAC
I want to fluff my force as cut off from Loyalist territories and manage the defense of a few disconnected systems with the assistance of an allied Loyalist Forgeworld. To help represent this, I've been sifting through STLs to find armors that aren't associated with any particular legion. Most offerings are shit, but I found a few heads I'd like to use as variant patterns of the main Armor Marks. From left to right:>Mark V, possibly Mark IV>Mark V>Mark VI, thinking I'll save these as a variant helm for when I get around to doing Sons of Horus>Mark V, It's a pretty close approximation of some old Rogue Trader art I like>Mark IIIDo you guys even think these look good or are worth having?
>>96769424It's weird too because many of these complaints can be rectified with "Hey man, want to play kill points?" and maybe throwing an extra turn inYou do NOT have to always chase the magical objective circles, GW cannot force you
>>96769439Power axes are actually useful though
>>96769451The Rogue Trader art in question
>>96769451>>96769468
>>96768002I assume the grogs are still playing 2.0 with a one-dread-per-1k rule. This isn't 40k, to even play HH you need a dedicated group of people outside the normiesphere. If the group doesn't want the weird 30/40k mashup that 3.0 is, they can just not play it.
>>96769451Please do not use any of these they're all awful
>>96768002Because the guys who are interested in narrative games can fix nearly everything in 3.0 by just making their own missionsWhat you have on /tg/ are /40kg/ refugees who want to treat 30k as a tournament game, but will feign veterancy and say that 2.0 was somehow more suited to their tastes (despite having never played it)
>>96768800Just run Blackshields and play kill points instead of standing on circles.
>>96769461Compared to a power fist/thunder hammer? A power axe and power maul are, generally, comparable. Theyre not particularly exciting or powerful weapons and generally a character doesent want to be using them. (this goes for the other power weapon tier things too, like power scythes, frost axes/claws, chainglaives and even TLC/ravens talons). But if a model has them, you may as well use them imo - provided you play in an environment where other people are of similar mindset - because if makes for more interesting and memorable situations than everyone gravitating towards the same optimal character loadouts. Also for my two cents: converted characters with the "correct" loadout are better than "just imagine they use the meta equipment" because the latter basically reinforces that you arent using what you think is cool and interesting but what is mechanically good. It may be literally true in both cases, but in the latter its really emphasized every time you look at the model and go "oh right, that power scythe is actually a thunder hammer"
Centurions are the cheapest model with access to officer wargear, right? Kinda want to run someone with double grav pistols for the hell of it
>>96768800You can run all of those just fine in 3.0, scars have no issues getting the slots necessary for it and that's not 3k points
