>Player whines about not having a major role in the story>He's playing a generic human fighterHow do you deal with players like this? I let already let him get drunk and pick fights when he visits taverns, what more do martial players want?
>>96766801Ugh I just ripped ass and it smells like a burning tire.
>>96766801What backstory did they provide?
>>96766801He chose to play a shitty game like D&D where a martial-caster divide is a thing. He has only himself to blame.
>>96766855>backstoryhe's playing a fighter. His backstory is he has a sword.
>>96766855probably >le farmer/orphan period no commasor something similar with generic character traits ripped straight from roll201 on 1 with him and offer an out by letting him make a new character. see if he takes it. Normally I’d say these players don’t actually want to roleplay but yours sounds upset that he isn’t able to.
>>96766801If the DM fails to provide a player with a simple background a major role in the story, that is entirely the failure of the DM, unless the player himself in the actual play session actively refuses to take up that roleyspsk>>96766873should be irrelevant for a decent DM that knows his shit
>>96766873Then there is the problem, you should have prompted him to provide more backstory.This can be remedied by having the player work on their backstory and then it can be incorporated into the story.
did you think people would believe this was real or join in attacking an absolutely imaginary issue?
>>96766801have you tried not playing dnd?
>>96766801Generic Straight White Male Human Fighter is literally the best character you can play. Go be gay somewhere else.
>>96766801>How do you deal with players like thisHello, newfag GM.The answer is simple: you find a new player.> what more do martial players want?But he's not a martial player. He's "dunno, whatever" player. For that's the motivation for making human fighters - not really wanting to bother with sitting through char gen and making easy option>hurr tiefling lesbian playerNigger, making a human caster takes effort. Making a human rogue takes effort. Even human barbarian takes minimal effort.You want to know what doesn't?Human fighter.It's the "I don't care" pick.And if they can't make on their own sword and board interesting for themselves, it means they should be booted long time ago.
>>96766801>no details about story or characterThere's probably some way to work it in, just handwave some part of his lineage and boom, hes beset upon by people trying to snuff out his bloodline or whateverIf he's playing generic sword man, I doubt he really cares about having the most well crafted story, he just wants to be important
>>96766894>Human fighter PC>having backstoryNigga, are you by chance even more new than OP?
>a characters importance must come from his backstory, not from the deeds and choices he makes during playHOLY ngmi, get the fuck out of this hobby immediatly
>>96766866>>96766901Man, this troll just doesn't take a break.
>>96766931>he just wants to be importantThat requires interaction with the game, thou.Not with backstories or similar, but simple player engagement. Going by OP, there is no such thing going, so - no point bothering with the player in the first place.
>>96766801Something tells me this was edited. Anyone have the original?
>>96766939>Thread by newfag GM, with newfags replyingHow is their ineptitude even remotely surprising?Also: OP already said that the player isn't interested in pulling deeds, player just wants to be important.
>>96766801Make him have a nemesis from the game. For example a mercenary that's piss off with him for taking the loot or the glory and now has decided to fuck the party out of pure spite.
>>96766941"Have you tried not paying D&D" has been a response on this board for nigh on two decades. Lurk moar.
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>>96766897You tried anon. Pearls before swine
>>96766966I’m surprised this wasn’t a “i fucking hate white people” webcomic. It sure is drawn like one
>>96766801I'd say "Have you considered talking to him to find out what he's hoping for", but that implies either of you even considered wanting to solve the issue rather than bitch about it.
>>96766944>interaction with the gameYou mean the DM, who controls the game and is a human being who should be able to out-think his playersEveryone starts somewhere and 9/10 times that first seat at a tabletop game is going to be at a DnD table, especially with it getting more popular recentlyWhats just as likely to be happening here is the DM is just as new and uninspired as the human fighter PC, so he just goes 'uhhh idk when we get to a bar you can challenge someone and roll more damage dice', then instead of using his human brain to make the game funner he just blames the game and his players for not being inspired by that
>>96766959It's been a shitpost spammed by retarded trolls, and only retarded trolls have ever spammed it.
>>96766941as generic as that response is, it’s completely warranted here. lvl 1-3 fighters are fucking boring and the gameplay is limited to “I run up and hit the badguy with my stick”
>>96766801This didn't happenThis doesn't happen
>>96767006Does anything ever happen?
>>96766988To add, if the DM has been letting this guy get into random barfights for however many sessions, every one of those fights was a wasted opportunity to put a target on the fighters back and start getting him some interaction with the world outside of the party, instead he wasted every one of those opportunities to pull the fighter into some kind of plot device and then got mad about it like it was the fighters fault
>>96766988>No, I don't play games nor ever run one, how could you tellNigga, it's 2025, what's your fucking excuse you are still theorycrafting about hobby you never participated with and regurgitating 30+ yo bullshit?
>>96767005Troll, you're so fucking off base that it's insulting that you think anyone could actually take you seriously when you switch into "N-n-no, pwease take me sewiously" shitposting mode when you get called out as being a troll.
>>96767016>I am a DM who relies entirely on my players being more interesting than meSee I can greentext to moron
>>96767011No. Nothing ever does.
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>>96767028Shame you’re posting here then since nothing happened or happens ever.
>>96766988>when we get to a bar you can challenge someone and roll more damage diceSaying shit like this is the only way to get the average martialfag to look up from his phone.
>>96767077If anything happened I‘d be there, I wouldn’t be here.
>itt: virgins mald over human fighter chads
>>96766959It used to be reserved for when the OP actually mentioned d&d
>>96766941D&D is boring as piss and playing a martial makes it even worse. Call it "trolling" all you want, but the fact is that modern D&D is slop marketted to retard normies who don't even actually PLAY the games they buy.
>>96767190Here, grab a you, given it's your third post begging for those
>>96767020>I can put the most random things in greentextThat's not how you use those, thou.So clearly - you can't
>>96766801>Being a non-fighter>Getting any spotlightLmao nogames.
>>96767224Didn't ask.Just pointing out how that troll loves to shitspam all the time.
>>96767274OK, retard.
>>96767271>No, I don't know that DnD is a caster-dominated game for past 24 years, for I don't play
>>96767281You've accurately described most 5e players. Unironically.
>>96767286Point taken
>>96767281There are plenty of impactful ways to play a martial, the archetype itself just doesn't really appeal to thinking types.
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>>96766966>actual, unironic facebook "joke"grim.
>>96766971>>96766966>>96766801The beard guy is right in all of these.
>>96767492Pat from sbfp is always right
>>96766801incel-coded OP
>>96766823Then stop eating tires that are on fire.
>>96766959It always been a something posted by retarded nogames.
>>96767224Some problems are system agnostic and happen in games beyond dnd.
>>96767693Martials being shit is very much a D&D problem that better games solved a decade ago, so I'm not sure what your point is.
>>96767693>"Hey guys, I know dog shit tastes bad and you like eating real food, but did you also know that horse shit tastes bad? Stop talking about real food now!"This is what you faggot shills sound like. How pathetic do you have to be to simp for a corporation in 2025? Especially one that hates you.
>>96766936No amount of you trying to force this bit will make it funny.
>>96766939>low effort player doesn't do anything of his own initiative>gets mad that the dm doesn't provide him artificial importance, despite having no backstoryIt's more common than you know
>>96768136You make It sound like the only game anyone actually plays it's dnd, so every thread must be about it.
>>96768159Nta, but this isn't funny at all. Human fighter players are guaranteed bores that MAYBE gonna engage with combat (and that's already wishful thinking), speak maybe 100 words through 5 hour session and no amount of prodding, set-ups or specially designed elements will catch their attention or interest (even if they technically demanded those pre-game). They are there to just be passive for 5 hours straight.And because nowadays it's 5e, their character is useless mechanically, too, so it's not going to contribute in any fucking way to the party or the game, but still being there and taking a slot.Even fucking memers doing edgelord "human male fighter armarite, HFY!" spiel is going to be better, because as obnoxious as they are, they at least engage with the game and after 3-5 meetups get bored with their edge, while still engaging. Classic human fighter? Never, just sitting there.
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>>96766873>>96766916>>96766926>>96766931>>96766939>>96766936Male human fighters can have a ton of backstory and flavor. I've made a human fighter that is the son of ancient royalty for instance, and has a hint of a romantic pairing with a mysterious girl he's had a crush on ever since he met her when he was six. But even the classic "farmerboy turned soldier" male human fighter can have excellent backstories. I mean hell, look at Luke Skywalker from Star Wars.>>96767018Naw, I can confirm from playing said male human fighter, who I've given around a millennia of backstory surrounding the circumstance of his family - I've only had the story been engaged with once. I found them pretty fun to play out of battle regardless, since that's just personality and character, but once you get into a fight it's mostly just spamming the attack button.
>>96768295>Male human fighters can have a ton of backstory and flavorKey word "can"Guess what doesn't happen in 9 out of 10 cases.
>>96768295Besides, I don't give a flying fuck about backstories, I want a player who isn't sitting by the table, doing fuck all and having to be almost forced to speak up or participate. Why even occupying the spot, if you don't plan to play?
>>96768310This, what most male human fighter fags don't realize is that the stereotype "fighters are boring" doesn't come from the class. It comes from years of the most boring people you know playing fighters.I'm not even talking about a lack of backstory, because that really doesn't matter. But a total lack of attention, initiative or involvement. Mostfighterfags just exist at a table to bloat the enemy CR limit and nothing else
With this type of playoid you have to basically prompt them for specific plot details/input which will either nudge them to get proactive or admit they're just being whiny for the sake of being disruptive. Ask them to fill in a plot detail - eg tell the group that the ragged beggar they encounter looks familiar and then ask the player in question who he is(eg they could say the beggar is their former fencing instructor or long-lost brother or whatever). Then you're off to the races. This is also something I do with the muh realism/anti-metagaming/lone wolf faggots. EG I'll ask the players in session one to explain how they became adventuring companions and what their first quest pre-campaign was like. This just totally heads off the people who want to whine about how their character doesn't trust the others yet.
>>96766801Just give him his moment in the sun before letting his wings melt.Let him pick fights in bars, then have said fight spiral into something pretty bad. For instance he just knocked out the an important man's son but when he fell, he hit his head and dies. Now the player has to deal with the consequences of his antics and maybe the party has to deal with them as well.
>>96768320That has nothing to do with Human Fighters though.
>>96768376Who the fuck are you playing with that this is the case? Most players I know who play Humans of any variety are 100% better roleplayers than everyone playing any kind of freakshit race, who tyoically use their characters race as their characters personality.
