Legendary Leader and Archaon edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>96763339>TQ:Which army are you working on currently? Do you already have your next army lined up?
>TQEternal hiatus wood elves. >next army lined up Maybe ill dump this and find some decent 3d empire of morr stuff, idk. Even then It'll probably only be to play that 500-750 point game mode. Did those rules ever get added to the bin btw?
>>96779065Picked up more orcs n gobbos. I know the battalion is the “ worst “ out of all of them but the store had it marked down dramatically (all the other battalions were regular price, this one probably didn’t sell at all) that it made it a steal not to grab it. >>96779087The rules aren’t even officially out until tomorrow, so expect scans and the addition within a few days.
>TQI'm still assembling and prepping my very infantry-heavy Bretonnians, so I'll be busy with them for quite a while. As for next army, probably doing Wood Elves with lots of trees. I always thought the goofy old low poly wood elves from RuneScape were cool before they turned them into a bunch of mutt freaks dressed like San Francisco faggots.
>TQworking on 500pts of beastmen for the new mode. Just slapping on some Ratskin Flesh i got in the mail and its super thin and running , almost comparable to the GW air stuff, maybe got a bad pot i dunno dont use this colour ever really. Gonna be a three coater i think.
>TQi finished my first squad of 31 orcs with choppas and shields, and i'm now painting 31 orcs with spears and shields. after that i will probably grab the arrer boyz box and then start doing more fun shit once my infantry blobs are finished. picrel is the first squad.>next army lined upi wanna do a city-state of nuln army where i have an excuse to spam handguns and helstorm rocket batteries, pretty much the opposite of orcs
>>96779065>lizardman player wants to teach me the basics>it's ? edition back in 2001>we fight two regiments to show me whats what>he loses nothing, I lose one model>all of my 29 dudes in the regiment flee, and fail some sort of roll and get scatteredyeah no, that shit was dumb... is it still that way today?
Youtube pls stop recommending me Robs rat face and petulant, whiny horseshit.I know you lurk these threads Rob please go back to AoS.
>>96779704I love your orcs. I am assembling my first orc n gobbo army. How do you paint the skin if I may ask?
>>96779716Yes, as it has been since 1992.
>>96779704>bright green skin>bright red shields>dull brown clothingVGH. Hit those bases with Goblin Green and you might cause a SOVL overdose.
>>96779716No, now in a pitched battle you kind of just get pushed back a bit 90% of the time and then the winner gets to decide if they want to push the line or hold back to redirect.
>>96779846vallejo goblin green base, army painter green tone wash, highlight with goblin green again and final highlight with escorpena greenthis is a bit closer to how it looks irl but it's very bright>>96779857thanks, i was planning to use vallejo brown battle mud or something grey and dark to contrast with the bright skin and shields though, just haven't got any basing stuff i like yet
>>96779407>Another beastchad has hit the threadGood fuckin lord we must outnumber everyone else by at least double
Holy fuck I just realised that each model on the battlefield doesn't represent 1 soldier on the battlefield but likely manyWhat ratio do you picture in your head?
>>967800751:1
>>96780075It's all an abstraction. You could throw an apple further IRL than most models can shoot an arrow/musket.
>>967800751:1 and my army is just a small part of a bigger battle, or a small band raiding, pilaging and generally having great time adventuring.
Here are some lists I wrote up for Warhammer Armies Project to demonstrate that almost all army themes can already work at 500 points.
>>96778091Was thinking about something like pic rel because i really like the models apart from the small mutated claws. Ad only says they are 32mm models on a 50mm bases.
>>96780156The way you formatted the points cost of each unit displeases me. The total value for each unit should be the number next to the unit's name and the base points cost (model cost*unit size) should be a sub-value. This would make things easier to tally up.
>>96779704Maybe it's just me, but unless they're black orcs or night goblins, it feels wrong to make greenskins so uniform.
>>96780293love yours mate good jobi agree but i have a 40k ork army and hate painting them because i made each of them too unique, i have much preferred painting these guys and i like how they look a lot more too
Should I give my big core of rangers great weapons or no? I'm gonna give them axes and crossbows... and possibly shields.
>>96780293I like the idea but these dip too far into teal and gray for my tastes. The color palette is pure sovl though, good job on the bases too.
>Buy wight king off ebay for 500pts VC list>12 days later>Royal Mail card in letter box>Seller didnt pay postage, please pay 8 fuckin poonds>Contact seller for refund>Dares to claim I am the one being a scammer here.Every year it gets harder to buy any warhammer online without bullshit rearing its ugly head.
>>96779827Who the fuck is Rob
>>96780576Rob the Gob.
>>96780570I've stopped using Ebay entirely because every time there's a problem with an order i have to wade through AI and literal Indian customer support
Quickly! what is /yourdudes/ themesong?>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUMGaHMffOQ
>>96780293Reminds me of that old whitedwarf article with rules for bog goblins, river goblins etc
>>96780586This one is the most fitting for the Horned Moon-Kin, my beastmen warherd who worship/venerate Morrsleib>https://youtu.be/LplPi2CxNHI?si=gFfUwNzERbcBSKxp
Man i fell off tabletop games with 6th edition when WoW got its vile hooks into me but i got back in with 2nd edition AoS. After playing TOW for a few months i think its ruined AoS for me. Like i still like the setting and models for the most part but man its really shone a light on how fucking barebones and bland heros are in AoS. No equipment choices, just a static block that unless its a big centerpiece does one thing you need or is just a generic beatstick. Its like the game treats them more like card game deck staples. TOW has its own flaws but making heros feel like heros is something the Anvil should have brought back to AoS and its baffling it didn't.
>People losing their minds that chorfs and now maggotking of nurgle are getting female soldiers in their units.What the fuck is it that makes autists freak out at more diversity in chaos units? they are supposed to be the unwashed masses, the ravening hordes rejects by society. Some big fat lass full of pus and bile swinging an axe isn't nurgley enough for the nurgle club?
>>96780650wrong thread buddy, the AoSG is two blocks down
>>96780650Why are you posting about it here? Go away. You people have your own thread.
>>96780650fuck off
>>96780650>lass>swinging an axeTherein lies the problem. Dumbshit tranny who's never trained physically kys
>>96780570Maybe you could turn to secondary market groups on social media, and if your country has any dedicated sites, those are always safe to use because the owners give a shit.
>>96780761You know Nurgles blessing fills his followers with unnatural strength and vitality and thats why big fat guys can take on a dwarf slayer and walk away right?
>>96780650Wrong thread.I don't mind female WoC but female Chorfs go against the fluff and theme of the faction itself as does female Dwarfs
>>96780826I know the Kharadron have female soldiers but they are a meritocratic navy. But i dont think regular dwarves in aos have any female characters at all, even counting characters with no models.
>>96780826>go against the fluffthey changed the fluff, the ratio of dwarfen female that get birthed ramps up in times where ambient magic is abundant
>>96780849I'm speaking in Fantasy terms not AoS ones>>96780841Kharadron can do whatever idc
Dwarf females should have been big boobed opera singer type bards that buff and debuff by hollering dwarf songs and you cannot change my mind.
>>96780881>*horrific scottish pterodactyl shrieking echoes for miles, elves drop to the ground, blood trickling from nose and ears*>Your average Slayer, wiping away a single manly tear: just like me mamm used tae sing to me as a bairn
>>96780881>"By Ulfrics Beard it sounds like that time a goblin got caught in the steamtanks treads"
>>96780881>>96780890i see the vision
>>96780824>big fat guysThose are not American fat fucks in mobility scooters, they're Kyriakos Grizzly build powerlifters. Again outing yourself as a fat retarded bitch with a pathetic untrained loose saggy body, kys
>>96780890sounds like this has wellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auR-lJfzTeY
>>96780904Friend just because you are built like a Putrid Blightking does not mean you are bloatmaxxing, you just fuckin' love dinner.
What is the actual difference in character between Ogres and Orcs? They seem almost identical from obsession with fighting and having goblins as underlings.>inb4 food
>>96780941Orcs specifically are antagonistic. They see outsiders as kill on sight and will invade and kill everyone they encounter on principle.Ogres are Mongolion Hordes. They will invade and attack settlements when they have a need but will just as often break bread with outsiders. Granted they will eat you if you offend them but they are an actual race and culture as valid as dwarves or elves whereas orcs are barely more than feral beasts that seek to tear down everything. I guess the easiest way to simplify it is orcs see everyone as their enemy, ogres see nobody as their enemy. Both will attack you and steal your shit but theres a hatred behind it with orcs but merely hunger with the ogres. Ogres are just a lot closer to Giants in sentiment and behaviour whereas Orcs are just what if you crossed a goblin and a gor.
>>96780941ogres will adapt to their environment i.e. adopt certain cultural traits while living amongst humans for example whereas orcs will just turn everything orcy. ogres are also quite content with just settling down for a while and going for raids a few times a month just to get food whereas orcs live to fight and revel in slaughter.
>>96780941Orques can live within human and other races' society pretty easily. Orcs/Goblins can't
>>96780941ogres are people orcs are animals with language. one is a culture and society the other is an invasive pest.
>>96780087>>96780102This always struck me as the worst approach by far.Historyfags, at any point have groups of 20 to 30 assembled in ranks to form units to fight battles? Am I wrong to imagine that's insane and never happened? I'm specifically talking about ranked formations of men, deliberately structured that way, because obviously small groups have had to fight out of necessity on countless occasions.The idea of a line of 5 man is to pathetic to imagine. Perhaps you 1:1lets are aphantasic?
>>96780981It represents marching columns in middle ages combat tactics. Archers can't absolute buttstrate you from the front if you are in a narrow column.
day 1000000000000000000 of not being able to buy that one kit I want
So leak is doing the rounds that Ogres were meant to be coming to TOW this december but its been put back like 6 months as GW is doing some fucky shit behind the scenes and every system is being affected.What do you think they are up to?
>>96780958>>96780965>>96780970>>96780971Thsnks. I get their attitude to outsiders is different and level of aggression but their speech pattern and mannerisms / societal structure seem copy and paste.Honestly, it sort of put me off Orcs and Goblins in 6th as I felt Ogres rendered them obsolete due to being too similar. I've come round it a bit and like Orcs again but wish ogres didn't take the spotlight as fighting loving barbarians.
>>96780650Hey retard war is about violence, which makes it a man's domain - if you think women are any good at violence that's just more proof you're one of those creepy performative men who has to feign an interest in women's issues to try to get laid
>>96780650Chorfs are not a chaos rabble they're literally evil, middle eastern themed dwarfs with hordes of slaves underneath themIn old lore they had harems of women for the higher up chorfs - not exactly feminists
>>96781023Ogres really came out the gate strong. Their 6th edition army book has a lot of great fluff and the same month there was an excellent white dwarf that was all about a empire scholar travelling the silk road with them.Hell even today in TOW they get interesting lore. Did you know the Great Maw is actually the remains of the Celestial Dragon calling down a chunk of Morrsleib to try and smite them but their natural resistance to warpstone made the area a inhospitable waste to all but ogres who just started worshipping the hole?What the fuck have orcs even had since TOW started?
>>96781014arn't they dealing with the local nottihan council due to many Bats on their new construction site?
>>96781002GERROFF! THAT'S MINE! Bloody thijg sold out a day after it restocked.>>96781035Nuffing but I much prefer Gorbad to any fat obese ogre
I realise this is expecting people ITT to actually read which is a big ask but do people not know the current poster villain for chaos is a norscan woman?
>>96781036Night Lords just keep winning lads. Black Legion BTFO.
>>96781049actually its kralmaw
>>96781056Krawlmaw is her simp sadly.
>>96781049Nobody knows because nobody cares. Frydaal sucks, she takes up too many pages in the anorexically thin arcane journal (which was terriglr, by the way. I know wood elves got a really bad one, but chaos got the 2nd worst arcane journal for sure) with her boring story and her boring scenario and chaos is supposed to be about your chaos champion, not GW's.
>>96781035>is the ritual complete?>....yes my lord>and? are the fat simple minded beasts stricken from these lands?>n-no my lord>...what?>In fact the comet had no effect>On anything?>Oh no my lord, the land is an inhospitable wasteleand, it just doesn't effect ogres>Not at all?>Well technically its given them religion and they are now more unified>...fucking ogres.Luv me gut, luv me maw, luv me dindins, simple as, appy days, all the best lads turrah.
>>96781049You'll be hard-pressed to find people here or anywhere really who are extremely interested in the narrative of The Old World. We're just happy people are playing the system and being able to buy the models again.I don't give a shit that some Norscan bitch is leading the forces of Chaos until the Everchosen gets here but in general to changes to the setting are pretty poor. I like Cathay in the Total War game but they're so boring and bordering on Mary Sue-ish in TOW, Bretonnia as a faction is too overtly good now, Araby's incursions into the Border Princes just got retconned, etc. There's not a single addition to the fluff that The Old World has added that I truly like.
>>96781075>chaos is supposed to be about your chaos champion, not GW's.Brother if you think Frydaal is bad let me tell you about fucking Archeon, the worst thing to ever happen to chaos.
>>96781075>The main villain takes up too many pages.
>>96781084Look, if she's not interesting then it's not interesting
>>96781088Bro its a chaos undivided character. What did you expect?
>>96781014Skaven players are going to be insufferable if we get Ogres back before them.
>>96781081Nta but Archaon is 1000000 better for Chaos than the likes of Grimgor Dullside
>4000 pts of ogres to get off roundies and rebase.>Again
>>96780981>Perhaps you 1:1lets are aphantasic?No, I can absolutely imagine way more, I just like my wargames more about smaller scale engagementsI'm not stunted enough to think there's the need of hundreds of thousands to make sense of a battle
>>96780881>>96780902She doesn't sing, but otherwise GW was way ahead of you guys.
>TQ Working on Night Goblins
>>96781049>poster villain for ChaosShe's the leader of a single faction of Norscans, not all of Chaos
>>96781171It's not about imagining a smaller battle, it's about imagining why tiny groups of people are getting into formations that only work for larger groups to fight a smaller battle.Why do you imagine your forces to be militarily incompetent? Humiliation fantasy type shi?
>>96780981City fighting maybe. Also there are tons of conflicts that aren't big enough to make it to the history books. Like Italy was renowned for small scale skirmishes between feuding families. Norsemen often fueded and things turned into ambushes.
>>96781209>militarily incompetent>March in formation unerringly
>>96781084>main villainShe's nothing. An ineffective and boring villain isn't a villain at all. TOW barely even has a narrative involving chaos at this point and if Frydaal is all GW can come up with they shouldn't even try to incorporate chaos into anything going forward. They've said it themselves, chaos is in a period of relative calm until the great war against chaos picks up, so they should sell the models, shut the fuck up, and let the players come up with their own chaos characters.>>96781081Archaon stinks for his own reasons. Don't get things mixed up. GW has sucked at making chaos cool since the storm of chaos at the very least and Archaon is a big reason why. And before you say he's been around since before 6th, I'm well aware.
>>96781209>it's about imagining why tiny groups of people are getting into formationsthat's not difficult at allespecially when formations are also abstractions way more than numbersdo you think gors space themselves in neat ranks and files? man, your imagination sucks
>>96780981Yes there are many cases of battles only having like 100-200 men participating on either side.
>>96781024The difference in combat capabilities between man and woman is smaller than that of orc and goblin, yet you don't see people screech about goblins participating in orc's domain.
>>96781247Yeah that wasn't the question that was asked.Did the 100 men separately group up into three units of 33 men in a square?
>>96781209Warhammer's formations aren't indictive of how formations work irl regardless of their size.
>>96781234gw should also just stop beating around the bush and just give us Asavar Kul alreadythat's the problem with a character like frydaal, she's *fine* but theres a much bigger, well known, and popular character around the corner, so she's going to immediately be outclassed
>>96781211>Like Italy was renowned for small scale skirmishes between feuding families. Norsemen often fueded and things turned into ambushes.Cool, skirmishes, not ranked formations, in other words the very allowance that was preemptively made in the post you quoted to keep know-it-alls from chiming up.Please tell me about the times the Vikings and Italians ranked up battle in the villages and streets, though.
>>96781257Yes those 100 men would form small formations.Would they form exact, disciplined squares? Probably not but that's not really an issue of size it's an issue of wathammer formations not really working the way they did irl.
>>96781266>she's *fine*how? does she even have a character trait beyond being a woman?
>>96781266a character like that would be done in plastic, perhaps they threw around nobodies in the first releases because they would be done in resin and sacrificed down the line like the resin kang bearer
>>96781264In what ways are they different?The fundamentals of the rules seem cogent -- the first 1-2 ranks actually engaging in bloodletting, the remainder of the formation providing morale and weight/momentumWhat are the big functional differences?
>>96781275>Please tell me about the times the Vikings and Italians ranked up battle in the villages and streets, though.Please tell me as well anon, that sounds utterly fascinating. I hope Vikings and Italians ranked up and fought in a city at least once
