Stormcast Be Like "I got my whole lives ahead me" We're In Shyish Bro Your Soul's Getting Vored By Skeletor Edition>Previously in the Mortal Realms:>>96773163>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/>Thread question:What is a model that you don't like looking at? Not necessarily an ugly one, one that is unnerving or uncomfortable to look at.>Alternative question:Are you guys going trick or treating?
>>96779664>TQMost unnerving is a hard one, nothing particularly "scares" me in AOS. The only one that always made me feel a bit off was Annika the Thirsting blade.the hair, the face, the weird swooshy thin body. She's very odd.
This fucking thing. The beam looks like it's coming directly off the ogors head and I hate the ogors weird squint face. Even when you realize the beam is attached at the back and not from his head, it's still conceptually retarded. I'm suprised GW thought so highly of the model they put it front and center in the cities spearhead. The starter box for the generic second starter faction after stormcast and they want you to use this fucking thing
>>96779136reposting here too just so any anons who want cheap GSG, SCE, KO, Sylvaneth, uhhh technically gargants kinda and Orruk shit, Terrain, etc etc. If you're in Burgerland it's the best deal you can get on shit.Stormbringer just got up to like issue 70.
>>96779727>not from his headWho would think that?
>>9677965740k is somewhat popular but Japan was always the home of Fantasy outside Europe, AoS is on life support over there because they never stopped playing fantasy.
>>96779752The screenshot of the spearhead on the store isn't great quality and regardless, a guy in a bucket attached by a wood beam to an ogor is already retarded, it being attached onto his head is only a small jump to make at that point.
>>96779767Where? I've only seen people play AoS over there.
>>96779767My twitter feed goes nuts with AoS in Japan from time to time. It's pretty healthy over there I'd say.
>>96779775Fantasy was literally more popular than 40k there pre AoS.
>>96779785It's all relative. Yes there are AoS players in Japan. It's also on life support relative to 40k and Fantasy.
>>96779736Is the marshcrawla Sloggoth good, or is it just gonna take up shelf space?
How bad is it?
>>96779736They really need to get illustrators back on Underworlds.
>>96780080They know they fucked up, jsut a question of how long it will take to correct
>>96779727Helmeted version looks fine
So will HoH appear on the AoS app later today?
Can any kind soul share the Helsmiths of Hashut battletome?
>>96779785The japanese insta hashtags are pretty good to follow. You see some charming stuff, it seems like beginners are way more willing to share their stuff on insta in japan
>>96779767Lol it's the complete opposite. There's absolutely zero fantasy there but AoS is relatively popular
>>96779727This model is so fucking stupid but I can't help but like it. Maybe because it has a fantastic short story. Also has a normal ogre equivalent in the standard bearer.
Anyone got the audiobook for 'Sacrosanct & Other Stories' and if so, toss me it plz. Will suck your left foot's toes in return.
>>96780325f'got pic
>half the Chaos and nearly all the Order armies still waiting for a battletomeNext year's gonna shake things up.
>>96779943>Multiple Greenskins>Multiple units of those AWFUL sleeveless trannies carrying guns>Multiple Bull Centaur units despite being rare in lore and it making no sense for there to be so many in one battle>2 Units on Infernal Taurus despite them being rare in lore and it making no sense for there to be so many in one battle>No basic dwarf melee infantry in a dwarf armyGenuinely one of the worst lists I've ever seen, fucking Hell.
>>96780340It is way worse than that>one of the most powerful chorfs in lore>could only muster 30 greenskin slavesBy Hashut
>>96780340Are you ACTUALLY retarded?They're yellowskins
>>96780367>They're yellowskinsI WILL be painting my Hobgrots with GREEN skin and you WILL not stop me.
>>96779736Asked this in the previous thread, is this EU based as well as UK?
>>96780377Should be. But I think you use the UK Hachette site instead
>>96780370I'll tell GW and they'll ban you from buying models
>>96780425Is Duncan still trying to sell overpriced paints?
>>96780429You aren't? it's free money
Wakey wakey, dokfags, time to become a minority in your own battletome!
>>96780425>Man swaps a weapon and sticks a different shield on >20 billion views Why are warhammer fans like this?
>>96780448Morathi-pegging-poster on suicide watch
I finally found my HoH colour scheme. Also, pure black bull with red horns is KINO.
>>96780451yeah, he should have slapped something on the hat too
>>96780457Yeah, more hat.
>>96780448also more shit related to >>96774985most of these are pretty easy to attribute to one character or another, the one burning question is whether malerion is finally going to be the new asuryan or tyrion is stealing the spot
>>96780472
>>96779664>Are you guys going trick or treating?Retard there's still half of October left
>>96779718She and Kritza are my favorite character models from Cursed City. Radukar is cool and all but those other two are just exquisite.
Which sect is the cool one?
>>96780531Obviously the bone showing a snake
From what I can see so far it might be possible to magnetize the bull centaur bodies and switch them at will although theres probably something I'm not seeing
>>96780448Is this the first actually solid malerion rumour we've had, ...ever? Crazy times we're living in.>>96780475Seems to be more whitefang commenting as a player and not necessarily as a leaker. Still, I'm fine with 'shards' of the old even gods being picked up by new characters, in the way that morathi has usurped khaine, or krethusa is carrying the torch of morai-heg. It's only if those gods come back full force that it becames lame to me.Interpreting the boole post in that light, he does say that mathlann, khaine and kurnous are already here, and those are the gods with some sort of model representation (even as a dead echo in the case of mathlann). Then morai-heg tarried long or whatever, but is now here with krethusa. He seems to imply that hoeth and asuryan are also coming then. Everybody is expecting tyrion to be asuryan, but maybe it's actually malerion who carries the flame? Can't have shadows without a source of light of course. Then maybe tyrion is the heir to hoeth? Lots of options.
>>96780448fuuuuuuckkkkkk
>>96779736I know this is spoon feeding and a cliche, but explain it to me like a child; they're selling these magazines along with a sprue, which is generally much more expensive in literally any other retailer. Wheres the catch?
>>96780557It used to be a subscription service, and you'd pay extra to get the paint/tools/models compared to just the mags. I think it ends up being quite a lot, but still cheaper than buying models if you really, really want all of them - or have a plan to offload.
>>96780538I'm more curious about whether or not you can put the helmet of the Anointed Sentinels onto the body of the regular Bull Cetaunrs since that helmets + the armour would be KINO.
>>96780386>>96780455Not really, I played Delves in fantasy and it's why I play DoK in AoS
>>96780552>It's only if those gods come back full force that it becames lame to meI don't think that'll ever happen, just because the Warhammer Elf Gods never really existed as characters in fantasy, they were always more distant and unknowable beings. Isha/Kurnous were major exceptions with their mortal avatars, which carries over to AoS as well.
>>96780552it would be incredibly amusing if tyrion and teclis didn't carry the torch of any preexisting elven god, while the dark elves represent the real pantheon.
>>96780552>He seems to imply that hoeth and asuryan are also coming then. Everybody is expecting tyrion to be asuryan, but maybe it's actually malerion who carries the flame? Can't have shadows without a source of light of course. Then maybe tyrion is the heir to hoeth? Lots of options.I doubt it. >Tyrion is called the Lord Phoenix and his depiction in the bannerman opposite the Sphinx of Teclis is a Phoenix>Last flame of the Ur-Phoenix retrieved by the Wonder Twins and brought back to Hysh>Longstanding Whitefang hints of new LRL Phoenix Guard/Templehttps://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/HoethMeanwhile Hoeth is the Wizard God, he's far more likely to be associated with Teclis than Tyrion.
I'm becoming a big fan of the OBRs without having pulled the trigger because of existing unpainted models.I have one question though, whats the point of all the inside skulls? It looks like every larger model has each crevice stuffed with skulls? Yes I know aesthetics trumps reason but I'd like A reason even if it isn't sensible.
>>96780613Ballast.
>>96780613They're some kind of weird ghost skulls rather than regular bones, so maybe it's just artistic way to show souls inside the construct
>>96780563Not to doubt you but can any europer confirm ordering from the UK site, closest this we seem to have is the french site but they don't offer the individual issues, only the subscription price.
>>96780629Oh okay that actually makes some sense.>>96780624And that's just funny.
>>96780613it's more for spiritual support than physical, it's like fuel made of tormented souls
>>96780531Draichi Ganeth for gladiator sports and murder entertainment.
>>96780742Isn't that Har Kuron's thing?
>>96780747Har Kuron isn't a coven it's a "free" city
>>96780763>Har Kuron isn't a coven it's a "free" city
Nice posture, boss.
Question to the gitz players are the stabbas the same size as hoppers, fanatics etc or is there a size difference between goblins? Also I'm salty that fanatics lost the counter weight like pic related, was a nice little detail
It's a pretty book cover.
>>96780955Is it supposed to look damaged?
>>96780955>>96780983Looks like it yeah
>>96780952The new stuff is bigger/more refined proportionally but not significantly so. Kitbashes with Stabbas work well enough but of course the heroes and Gobbapalooza are all huge by comparison Fanatics do look a lot bigger but they're so dynamic and I suppose it's only the bigger Grots that are as crazed
>>96781005picrel is probably a good example with the UW warband model being the new scale
>>96780997Weid choice. The base design looks realy good, and someone just added pointless smudges on it
>>96779727It's weird that they didn't make a war wagon, it would be the perfect complement to the whole 'our whole army is a mobile castle' deal they have going on
>>96780825This model is also extremely fat, like they gave him nurgle like proportions for no reasonThe other thing I don't get with nu chorfs is why they're lead by what are basically castellans? Whereas previously the head guy was always a sorcerer-prophet
>>96780456Lol the bull remains a stupid looking robotChaos already has good looking daemon engine mounts in the form of juggernauts, idk why they didn't continue that style instead of they had to make a robo taurus
>>96780425The shoulder pads and helmet are still uglyI am working on a method to fix this
>>96781105I'm not sure what you mean. Their society has many leader figures from different walks of life.
>>96781105>they gave him nurgle like proportions for no reasonBulk is a sign of wealth and status
>>96781105>This model is also extremely fatNot very. He's relatively tall and broad, but much of his bulk can be attributed to his attire. There's multiple layers of clothing and armor there, and in front he's got a beard with braids as thick as his gloved wrist, and then a gem-encrusted armor plate on top of that.
>>96781100They're making a cogfort
>>96781170What are you talking about, I have the model in front of me rn
>>96781119shoulderpads are a non-issue, the hats are definitely the big problem with the models, way more than the hand weapon or the shield
>>96781005>Fanatics do look a lot bigger but they're so dynamic and I suppose it's only the bigger Grots that are as crazedI dont mind if boss/shamans (do gitz even have shaman models after TOW?) are bigger because its established fluff that those grots are bigger because of the same growth phenomena that orcs have but fanatics being bigger triggers my autism because lore wise they are random grots that get drugged and hiden between stabbas ,so them being bigger defeats the point of hiding them.I probably try to get some of the old fanatics i posted because they are more in scale with the others ,same with the mangler squig because the new one looks like a huge pain to transport and probably has the same issue the fanatics have with gobo size creep.
>>96781254Grot heroes have always been the same size as infantry until AoS, which didn't introduce any new fluff and just discarded the entire appeal of Goblins for the formulaic "heroes are bigger" designThere's a legends warscroll for shamans but otherwise it's just the Fungoid and Gobbapalooza
>>96780602>dark elves are the real elves Based based based
>>96780456>African chorfsKek what a fucking joke
>>96780602nah, tyrion is the phoenix, no way in hell he isn't asuryan>tyrion : asuryan>teclis : hoeth>eidolon (storm) : mathlann (storm)>eidolon (sea) : mathlann (sea)>alarielle : isha>kurnouth : kurnous>morathi : khaine>krethusa : moraiheg>malerion : . . . . . .our boy is the exception for some reason, hopefully they give it a very good reason
>>96780825That has been an issue with GW models for deacdes now tho, idk why they do it tho
>>96781310>Grot heroes have always been the same size as infantry until AoSYeah but I don't mind if heroes are bigger than infantry for goblins because you always can just say that he became the boss because he's bigger than other gobos.>which didn't introduce any new fluff and just discarded the entire appeal of Goblins for the formulaic "heroes are bigger" designI thought goblins have the same growth thing that orcs have ,that they grow bigger by bullying others of their kind etc>There's a legends warscroll for shamans but otherwise it's just the Fungoid and GobbapaloozaIt's ridiculous that we don't have a generic shaman model especially because the fungoid is basically a named character
>>96781119IDK why almost all modern fantasy armour has to have big ugly pauldrons
>>96781372I never bothered to read the ET but isn't it a fairly big plot point that malekith was actually the rightful phoenix king all along? I think he's got a fair shot. Also hoeth should be celennar just to fuck with teclis a bit more.
Really quite irks me that Infernal Cohort spears have demonic power cells but the swords are just swords
>>96781519>but isn't it a fairly big plot point that malekith was actually the rightful phoenix king all along?Yes. End Times already made Sneedari like in 40k, where all elfs were 1 army
>>96781523the watermelon batteries look like oversized shit, you should be thankful there's at least one weapon option where they don't ruin the model
>>96781539Based, heres hoping his return brings all elves under his banner again.
I really wish that they had other weapons besides maces and the weird glaivesJust give me some axes or maybe a big hammer
>>96781578>only 3 poses >mono pose with no flexibility>people want to run 18 of theseLol
>>96779718I've never particularly loved the Vyrkos vampires, but I like Kritza the most of any of them. I love the noble look while he's covered in giant rat furs.
>>96779718I like the the option where she's holding a mask. Really adds more to the atmosphere.
>>96781578I think I'll try replacing the glaive blades with ogroid theridon axe heads
You guys ever heard of somebody actually buying this fucker?
>>96781624I know of, well knew really, one dude who used to frequent my shop that had the official model. I like to think most people that own it just have the recasts. Which even then, is still quite the penny.
>>96781578hammers aren't kosher
>>96781600He's treasure. The motif strikes a good balance between looking creepy, aristocratic, and silly.
>>96781624I never saw anyone own FW stuff
>>96781600it's such a weird thing to keep these heroes without the cursed city sprues for swarms
>>96781643Outside of horus heresy can't say I've seen too much forgeworld either no.
Are there any AoS BL books worth reading?
>>96781696josh reynolds books, aside from that? Some anthologies are probably worth a read. Oh, and guymers books, probably some stuff behind guy Haley too.
IS the anon who expressed love for the religious aspect of Helsmith of Hashut society here?Got a few questions.
>>96781716This post and others:"I think its because they're exploring the reverence the smiths have for hashut. At least, it is for me. the lore for the sentinels have me stoked to see more of that religious background become more fleshed out. For now ill have to be contnent with the ashen eldar and the bvlls. Which isnt much but I dont think whf ever really go in depth on their religion. Or even give them priests.I think its because they're exploring the reverence the smiths have for hashut. At least, it is for me. the lore for the sentinels have me stoked to see more of that religious background become more fleshed out. For now ill have to be contnent with the ashen eldar and the bvlls. Which isnt much but I dont think whf ever really go in depth on their religion. Or even give them priests."
>>96781727>No girlcowsHow can I jork it to cowtaurs crushing my cock with their fat bovine asses if it's not canon?
>>96781523Daemonic power cells? What? >>96781364How are they African?
>>96780425Duncan is irrelevant
>>96781632I wonder if recast were better than fw resin in quality >>96781624No. Biggest model I've seen brought to a tournament was Archaon. Seeing the case the guy had to use to carry him, I dread what will I need to do when I'll build mine>>96781643I've seen a guy use plague toads, no idea if those were og or reccast
>>96781741Female cowtaurs should have udders.
>>96781741>>96781758They avoid famele cow things specifically to not have to anwser the udder question
So what's the appeal of playing Hedonites of Slaanesh over Daughters of Khaine? They just seem like they do the same kind of thing but worse.
>>96781727>>96781578i wonder if there's a big scale difference between the torsos on these guys and normal on foot chorfs, like if you could transplant chorf bodies from the basic infantry onto them or if it would be too small
>>96781763Otis is trans?
>>96781768hedonites have better models and arent a 3 kit microfaction
>>96781769Way too small. The centaurs are gigantic.
>>96781768Challenge for the painter that doesn't involve chaos trim muchNasty strats with options to counter both hordes and elite armies
>>96781768What's the appeal of playing daughters of khaine? I've only seen like 3 types of players and they're all gooners.>Monstergirl gooners>Elf girl gooner>Foot gooner
>>96781716shoot your questions. >>96781768I havent seen a slaanesh player in all my time playing 4th so idk. I just know that dok used to lean on a death star strat while Hedonites was always about them twink archers.
>>96781749I think he's referring specifically to the 2 underworlds models. I don't think the chorfs actually have any models painted dark outside of the warband.>>96781769Bull centaurs are massive compared to normal chorfs, it's like trying to put a saurus head on carnosaur.
>>96781716>>96781727I HOPE ANON WHO HAS EXPRESSED LOVE FOR RELIGIOUS SIDE OF HASHUT READS THIS!I know that Helsmiths of Hashut have just gotten a big new release but nonetheless, inspired by new lore as well as my love for dwarves who follow the true god of the Mortal Realms, Hashut, I am hoping to hear what new miniatures fellow HoH players would like for us to recieve in future editions. What would you like to see added to HoH range?Now I know it is unrealistic for Helsmiths of Hashut to get a range so large, this is rather a collection of things I would like to see in editions to come for them. In addition, I would humbly present my own ideas for range expansion. I have taken inspiration from a long history of Chaos Dwarf lore but also let my own imagination run wild with a few models. Also, I was inspired by very rich history of Mesopotamia plus Minoan culture too.I shall begin with things that already have models or have been depicted in Warhammer Total War. So I hope to see Helsmiths of Hashut receive in future:1. Lammasu model.2. A elite infantry unit, akin to legendary Infernal Guard/Ironsworn from FW and also seen in Warhammer Total War. Black armour with fire helmets. Melee axes (two handed or one handed with shields) burning with inner fire or armed with fireglaives.3. A proper massive cannon, since Tormentor Bombard is more mortar like. Something like old Hellcannon.4. Magma Cannon.5. Chaos Dwarf version of Helblaster Volley Guns.6. More Hobgrot heroes and units.7. Bull Centaur hero.8. A elite infantry unit made of clockwork automata infused by daemon essence or three man unit of fire/lava elementals encased in armour, like K'Daai Fireborn.
>>96781786I just like the greek vibe they got man. Its more explicit than what dark elves or high elves had back in fantasy.
>>96781790HERE BRO!!! Give me your thoughts on my ideas.Now onto my two fan made ideas.There is a very opulent, rich and even decadent aspect of Chaos Dwarf lore and religion of Hashut that I felt needed to be explored in form of their priesthood, the Scorched Sect. Helsmiths of Hashut are Duardin and all Duardin are capable of creating things of beauty. Servents of Hashut would reflect the Chaos beauty as well as utmost desire of Hashut to dominate all, mortal or other Chaos Gods under his hoofs.1. I really love the Ashen Elder sculpt. Now, from the new battletome, Helsmith society is a dance of politics and power between Despots, Daemonsmiths and Ashen Elders (leaders of the Scorched Sect, the very priesthood of Hashut based in Ur-Zorn in Realm of Beasts, Ghur). In new tome, lore about Despots and Daemonsmiths is quite well explored but the lore of priesthood of Hashut is undeveloped. We know they hold control over Bull Centaurs, which is a massive political power for them. But what do they do in religious rites, how do Hashutite temples look and how do ceremonies look like? How do they interact with their faithful. These are the questions I hope the next battletome or HoH fiction explores.
>>96781786DoK is clearly for Femdom enjoyers
>>96781794>>96781796Back to model idea. I imagined a named Ashen Elder hero on top of a massive shrine palanquin carried by Helsmith servants on their backs. The shrine would have a massive golden bull idol on it. A ornamented large altar made purely out of red ruby would be in front of it. Censers would be placed at four corners of shrine, the narcotic incense rising from the censers (the smoke being the Breath of the Bull, which is what Bull Centaurs who become Anointed Sentinels inhale when they don sacred Hashutaar helmets, according to lore in battletome). A named Ashen Elder character would stand and preach from obsidian stone like tablet book. The effects of the Breath of the Bull incense and the preaching of Ashen Elder would inspire Helsmiths to fight like never before and not yield a inch back, no matter what foe comes at them. I feel a named Ashen Elder hero would be good counter point to ambitions of Urak Taar.2. Idolater Daemonengine. Now, remember that Hashut desires to see all, mortal, undead and all gods submit to him, he want to see all Mortal Realms trampled beneath his hoofs. He is a god of eternal tyranny and dominance. Sadly, in HoH battletome, Hashut is not playing the Great Game like other 5 Chaos Gods are. But what if that were to change? Idolater Daemonengines are the answer and greatest insult of Hashut to other five Chaos Gods. Each Idolater Daemonengine is a unique work of art and testament to Helsmith genius. Each Idolater Daemonengine is very large statue made in shape and form of one of five Chaos Gods or in the shapes of their servants, mortal and daemonic. Indeed, even the weapons that statues wield are reflecting of which Chaos god statue is.
>>96780324With basic standard bearer, the gnoblar is too small for the ogre to case.And even if the gnoblar falls off or gets killed, he won't give a shitWith CoS ogre, he somehow has to keep good enough balance for the guy not to miss his shots all the time
>>96781794>>96781796>>96781802At first glance, many, including the worshippers of Chaos, would assume that the statues honor Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle, Tzeentch and Great Horned Rat. Nothing could be further from truth. For each Idolater Deamonengine is fueled by bound daemons. Tzeentch daemons fuel Tzeentch Idolater Daemonengines, likewise those of Nurgle daemons fuel Nurgle ones. When fueled by bound daemons, each Idolater Daemonengine becomes a walking engine of death, capable of running for days without tiring or choking a Gargant to death with its articulated hands.For example, a Idolater Daemonengine dedicated to Slaanesh might be made of finest white marble, with veins of emerald criss-crossing the statue and emerging on marble skin of statue to form thorns of pure emerald and roses made of various gems. The statue is armed in one hand with great whip made out of very same emerald that is emerging from palm of statue and then extending for a dozen meters before ending in 6 deadly massive blades. The other hand carries a highly elaborate and ornamented massive gun which is capable of releasing immense gouts of lilac hued perfumed smoke which induces a state of complete ecstasy in all who inhale the smoke ( think of the Lurid Haze Slaaneshi warband from Wrath of Everchosen book), leaving them defenseless against blades of whip that the statue carries. At the upper back side of engine, behind the steel bars and through burning smoke, hands and heads of Slaaneshi daemons can be seen, trying in vain to escape the horror to which they are subjected upon.
>>96781772Cows in the Barnyard univers breed through parthenogenesis. That's why every father in the franchise is adopted and not biological
>>96781794>>96781796>>96781802>>96781809Indeed such is the allure of these daemon fueled statues that servants of Chaos often try to worship them before they realize to their horror what insult to their patron gods these statues are.These engines are the very pinnacle of Helsmith daemonsmith art, towering even over Dominator Engines, though dark whisphers speak of a even more gargantuan engines chained in the depths beneath immense ziggurats.----‐---------I have to add one final thing, I really wonder how a Idolater engine fueled by my second favorite faction, the Flesh Eater Courts would look alike. Fueled by souls of ghouls and Kingsblood maybe.FINISHEDRELIGIOUS HASHUT ANONS, what do you think of my ideas? How would you explore religious side of HoH society?
>>96781796>this is what votann could have beengod its so depressing
>>96781826nah, i prefer the pioneer prospector thing. 40k already has enough giant evil hegemonic empires
>>96781839>pioneer prospector thingI don't get that from their visuals at all, it just looks like a generic sci fi faction. you could put their armor and vehicles in any other sci fi setting and it would fit just fine. Tau, while leaning into a more gundam sort of design is still very distinct, there's nothign distinct about votann.
Malign Portents was a fun campaign. They should do Malign Portents 2.
if DoK gets fully replaced by Umbraneth, what will happen to the Daughters? Shunted to ToW? Peed on?
>>96781877Dok will become the gitmob in their own book worst case scenario. It's probably more going to be a warclans type deal.
>>96781852GW are too obsessed with matched play to ever do a fluffy campaign again but I loved the weekly rules and voting for Malign Portents coupled with the short stories
>>96781877they wont, well for the most part wont. Maybe daughters get a refresh but morathi is back in the cuck corner.
>>96781919Thats in part because seasons of thondia was such a fucking mess.
>>96781848then you havent actually worked with their kits at all. hearthkyn warriors have all sorts of shovels and mining picks in their kit, hernkyn pioneers have entire luggage racks full of mining equipment, you've got an exoframe unit wielding mining lasers, their vehicles are moon rovers, their new artillery are drill based blasting charges, their melee unit are sweaty shirtless coal miners. they have a whole unit of scouts in dusters with demolition charges
So ogres are going to follow beastmen in being killed off and sent to TOW?
>>96781929you know what they REALLY need? Cowboys. Not "oh character with bolt revolvers" or some shit, MOTHA. FUCKIN. COW. BOYS. With big ole hats and boots and saloons and shit
>>96781936yeah lets just ignore the rumor engines they have for aos.
>>96781938One of their kill teams is already a bunch of squats in dusters with revolvers but agreed
>>96781929that's great, but all I see in this picture is 3 guys in generic boring armor holding guns. Nothing about this model reads "frontiersman" or "miner" >their vehicles are moon roversyeah why? what about that is supposed to convey "dwarf"? what about that is supposed convey a miner or frontiersman?>bro it says pioneer on the box, that means they're pioneers!That's not how that works. It's fine if you like their design, but they did a terrible job visually communicating the faction concept they were going for.
>>96779891Getting one wouldn't be a bad idea, it's good for moving your dudes forward, also oddly enough much smaller than you'd think
>>96780521Kritza is my go to, I wish he still had the ability where you roll a d6 and on a 4+ he just doesn't die.
>>96781802>named Ashen Elder hero would be good counter point to ambitions of Urak Taar.I like this, im surprised this concept didnt naturally creep on me. >Idolater Daemonengine.mmm Im of mixed opinions on your ideas for this generally. I dont think the smiths would like to idolize, or even directly depict the other chaos gods, but rather warp them into some kind of mixed imagery of hashut with the other gods. Like, look at the dominator engine, on the belly area, there are some subtle demonic eyes, now yes they are undivided, but if the engines were to carry on something robbed from the other gods, maybe make the eyes bigger and go harder with the flame symbology for tzeetnch. Overall I do like the idea of mixing the two so long as it promotes to the bull fathers glory, and not the false pretenders! >Fueled by souls of ghouls and Kingsblood maybe.Would be interesting, I dont personally have ideas on how to make it work though.
>>96781790Hashut anon, you still here?
>>96781964why would you lie about something so easily disproven with webstore photos?their pioneers, wearing fur lined explorers longcoats and goggles, ride bikes strapped with all of their travel luggage, with rope and bedrolls tied to the front hood, chassis mounted shotgun holsters and hatchets, with mining picks and shovels strapped to the backwhat the fuck else do you need that says pioneerschrist. you're hopped up on 40kg nonsense and have never touched their models.
>>96782042They would not be idolizing other Chaos Gods, but basically caging them in idols representing other Chaos Gods and using them as weapons. Basically, proving that Hashut is dominant above all. How would you explore religious side of Helsmith society? Any ideas for new miniatures?
>Furthermore, I think that Greywater Fastness must be destroyed.
I hope next year's model is from an Order army. And not CoS or SCE.
>>96782146I'll be another vampire
>>96782125it will bebut its survivors will become a nomadic people on cogforts
>>96782066They need the lammansu.Maybe a foot acolyte unit (similar aesthetic as the gong ringer in the infantry) who have some synergy with the ashen elders or the sentinel bulls (count them as one DPP higher when within a certain range, grant a Ward to the elder, whatever). Less armor than the normal Chorf, maybe lean into the religious aspect with blazers and censors that grant some penalty to shooting or some shit. > New warmachineI honestly don't know what can be added that isn't just going to be a 'skaven warmachine BUT CHORF' at this point. The magma cannon could be 'reimagined' but then you step on the toes of the dominator with flame throwers.
>>96782066Hmmm really I don’t know at this time. I have mixed ideas that could go in all sorts of directions, i do agree with the things that you listed should be included into the range, if I really had to include something that left field, it would be named hero’s based off of Gilgamesh and Enkidu, and adapt their stories to Aos, could probably turn Valaya into a Ishtar figure too, at least in the smiths perspective. But for uh…non narrative things, I think they should get a second battleline of chaos dwarf cultists, but these are kind of outcast helsmiths that have failed mutations, and are adorned with masks similar to what the centaur sentinels have, but are much, much more worn down.
>>96782166>>96782186Cool ideas. I said above, but there is a decadent and opulent aspect to Chaos Dwarfs, fitting given the Mesopotamian influence. I hope religious side of HoH society reflects this.I really love the aesthetics and lore of Anointed Sentinels. The Hashutaar helmets are a thing of beauty. Lore is excellent too, they are quite literally breathing in the narcotic incense fumes, driving them into a state of powerful religious ecstasy. Also what about Brass Bull or Brazen Bull altars?
>>96782251There is a cool art piece for Trench Crusade of Golden Calf altar.Maybe something like that for Helsmiths, a ornamented mobile altar where sacrifices are thrown into the burning bull.
>>96782251>Also what about Brass Bull or Brazen Bull altars?Could be neat for a manifestation or more likely, a terrain piece for the faction.
>>96782166Why not just bring back the iron daemon/skullcracker? Everyone loves that. I definitely would have wanted to see that before the fucking Deathshrieker.
>>96782166I hope Lamassu looks something like this, not some ugly shit.
>>96782052nta but I'm also pretty underwhelmed by their designs, theres plenty of existing concepts for space dwarfs that work well making these design decisions just...off. They're not bad and I do believe you that having them in your hands gives a better impression ( I'll probably go up against a votan player in a while so I'll see for real ) but just looking at the pictures they don't scream space dwarf. Not enough beards probably, can be fixed with green stuff.
>>96782306I cant help but feel no matter what its gonna look odd, I do hope its fleshy.
Nice crevice.
>>96782374lmao
>>96780324Does this actually give it any effect in game? In fantasy he conferred the “ Look Out Sir! “ generic rule for the unit.
Should the Lammasu be a mount for a character, or the character itself? Personally, I'd prefer it to be it's own character
>>96782414It's a banner guy so I think it has the generic banner guy effect of get more dice when you rally. So much less exciting.FUCK MAN I wish equipment and shit had more of an actual god damn use in the game. Same with weapon loadouts. I also wish we had more spell options.
>>96782420probably have it be its own thing, smiths find it demeaning to ride living creatures.
>>96782414In 2nd it negated wounds from missile attacks on a 6In 3rd it was -1 to wound for missile weaponsIn 4th it's a generic banner
>>96782420In old lore, Lamassu were highly charismatic and powerful sorcerers. I hope they do not become mounts.>>96782432Source?
>>96780451Why are you faggots so brittle?Like this was basically what i was going to do with mineSnip off the stupid balls, replace it with a more dwarven weapon and print/collect other shields that aren't those ugly angular tower shields.>>96781523unrionically their best design decision.
>>96780448>Morathi simps on suicide watchFinally
>>96781523Spears need D batteries and the swords only use AA so they don't need the giant container.
>>96781877Dark Elves are going back to TOW in full.
>>96781804>With CoS ogre, he somehow has to keep good enough balance for the guy not to miss his shots all the timeIt's a mix of the ogor has excellent form and the major is a crack shot. It's explained in "On The Shoulders Of Giants" that the ogor is trained well enough to the point that she squats down to grab food off the ground instead of leaning over as most ogors would.
So, with all this HoH talk, can any kind anon share the battletome?
>>96782472maybe next month fren. the trees are not yet speaking to me.
Are the Legion of Azgorh, Drazhoath or Shar'tor referenced in the battletome?
Now that the dust has settled, why did HoH flop? (It’s been up for hours and nothing has sold out)
>>96782420character itself
>>96782488no
>>96782501Why would non-limited items get sold out in hours?
>>96782509Cathay sold out in minutes
>>96782438NTG and I don't have it on hand but the battletome's fluff section on the taurus mounts talks about how the chuardin view riding a living creature as not being in total enough control for their liking, so they only view it acceptable to ride golems that they themselves crafted and animatedThe brief allusion to the lammasu doesn't make it sound like they'd be a mount
>>96782501is this the leaf again.
>>96782517Miao ying did not move at all. Nor did any of the individual kits. The battalion? sure.
>>96782509NTA but as someone who plays 40k. Most things sell out even if they are not limited.
>>96782420Hmm... a scheming, intelligent monster, mutated by a specific chaos god, that's mentioned to manipulate and lead entire armies in pursuit of its fell goals? Clearly a non-character beatstick locked in a different army entirely, clearly! Guess which unit I'm still mad about.
>>96782527Like space wolves?
>>96782488They're not. But the writers specified that Muspelzharr was conceptualized to hit many of the same beats as the LoA.
Can anyone else who plays SBGL explain to me if Belladama is any good. I feel like every time I use her I feel like Lauka vai could do the same shit except get a 4+ save if she hangs out with wolves.Belladama is cool and all but she basically does dickall damage and her spell to give wolves +1 rend really doesn't matter because wolves still suck at hitting shit.
>>96782532No, Space Wolves did not sell out, it was one of the rare flop boxes, much like HoH boxes. Space Wolves and the DKOK army set both flopped, too early to tell if the limited edition HoH box is a bigger or smaller flop than those two.
>>96782519Yes look at the price
>>96782542the disillusionment here would put Ush to shame.
I'm late to notice but I just caught that the bull has three build options for the head. Maybe more if the smoking gemstone can be combined with the other two sets of horns.
Helsmiths seemed to be quite accepted by people. I suspect they will end up as one of more popular factions in AoS.
>>96782569Oops.
>>96782569What three options? There are only two.
I think it would be cool if chorfs got a terrain piece that was one of those torture bulls and whenever an enemy mob was near it you could roll to slurp one up into the Torment Cow to scare the shit out of enemies and embolden chorfs.
>>96782581Who is the Astragoth Ironhand, High Priest of Hashut of AoS?
Reading this thread, I see Chorf players have tons of ideas for future waves. Sorry to say this, but I am pretty sure you are not getting anything in this edition anymore, then a foot hero in 5ed and only in 6ed will you get a proper second wave.
>>96782590my Original Character Terrapunk Steelfoot
>>96782600>6 yearsconsidering how long chorf players have waited for models generally this is barely a wait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0liF43lnww Lords of War seem to be souring hard on 4e. They seem to want many features from TOW to be brought into AoS.
Armies what are left to get a battletome this edition:>Cities of Sigmar>Daughters of Khaine>Disciples of Tzeentch>Fyreslayers>Hedonites of Slaanesh>Lumineth Realm-Lords>Maggotkin of Nurgle>Ogor Mawtribes>Ossiarch Bonereapers>Seraphon>Sons of Behemat>SylvanethTwelve armies to go, and we've twelve armies behind us. Who are you looking forward to?
>>96782637I know, anon. I know.Just wanted to be realistic. Hell maybe you guys get Lumineth treatment and get a second wave sooner then later.
>>96782657I'm fine with whatever, I just hope any new releases don't suck.
>>96782657Ogors so the old range can be retired and brought into TOW proper while AoS gets the remade female led caveman ogors.
>>96782657Next year Maggotkin, Ogors, Ossiarchs and Dwarf Warclans
>>96782657It is interesting we got zero hints for Kurnothi and Hedonites from Whitefang and Boole.
>>96781646It makes no sense to keep them but then not make the Cursed City exclusive models as either their own units or as generic options. For both the undead and the hero units. The mortal heroes mostly look really cool.
>>96779727Are you autistic or have you just never seen it in person>The starter box for the generic second starter faction after stormcast and they want you to use this fucking thingCoS aren't a good starting faction at all
>>96782657Tzeentch tome might end up really good since their index is shockingly flavorful and fun for a 4th edition ruleset
>>96781772Yes, purely because the creator thought city folk would be too stupid to put together that bull=male cow.
>>96782374>It is known that when an Infernal Taurus is surrounded, its Daemonsmith master will use their power to cast open the Slotchbar, dousing the enemies first in a gush of oily liquid before a gout of pressurized steam ignites it, burning them alive in an agonized conflagration.
>>96782150Hell ya. Soulblight supremacy.I can't get over how the necromancer just looks like a bald Kraven the Hunter
>>96782675Whitefang has been hinting at Kurnothi all year
>>96782637LoA didn't count?
>>96782552That word doesn’t mean what you think it does dummy anon
>>96782675>we got zero hints for KurnothiLet's hope we've seen the last of them with Spitewood.
>>96782714Any screencaps of that?
How many armies do people, even if you don't collect play them, generally follow and care about? Either for model releases that might be cool or lore happenings.
>>96782734>t.
>>96782714Jumping in too, any screencap? I saw nothing from him on Kurnothi thus far.
>>96782744No but it goes back to Dawnbringers. May just refer to UW I suppose but we already have a Darkwater hero confirmed
>>96782787Man if they were gonna put an elf marksman in two quests in a row then they could at least have picked ones from different elvish subcategories. There's what, a dozen of those.
>>96782812Who thought the triple bow string was a good idea?
>>96782821I did.
>>96782542The hoh box sold out immediately though. It only got restocked a week later or so, they probably did a second run.
>>96782850It didn’t sell out anywhere other than GW’s website where they probably put it as sold out to save face. There’s 600+ webstore just on the shop app that have it for sale right now in NA. Massive flop on its face.
Anyone here painted this guy? I've read online that the astrolith snaps pretty easily, did you guys subassembly it?
>>96782674Not sure how they are going to Warclan Fyreslayers and Dispossessed. They are waaaaaay too different
>>96782953Dispossessed are getting squatted next edition
Dispossessed are going to be reinvented and put alongside the Fyreslayers in a big Warclans tome . apparently some FS models are going to get squatted too
>>96782274I love it too but once again, we are stepping on the dominator's toes.I almost wish the dominator was solely a melee guy so we could explore the 'gun train/monster' in greater detail, but as is it's like... A new thing will kinda make the current thing obsolete
>>96782536>MuspelzharrQRD on them?
>>96781823Hey anon, I’m not the one you requested, but I am the one who has spent 15 years spreading the word of Hashut, give me some time, I’ll read it all, and respond. If not this thread then hopefully the next.
>>96782787In another words, zero Kurnothi leaks by Whitefang. Kurnothi get yet another Warhammer Quest hero.GW is going to spend next 40 years teasing and showing Kurnothi into everything but AoS proper.
>>96782986>Fyreslayers turned back into Slayers>rest of Dwarf army being ported into AoSI feel like they are trying to make AoS more like Fantasy this edition. Gone are the brand new army concepts and new ideas of old. We now just get watered down copies of Fantasy in terms of worldbuilding and in terms of gameplay we get 40k but shittier. 4e has been a disaster.
>>96783011Take your time, son of the Bullfather!
>>96783016>Kurnothi get yet another Warhammer Quest hero.Shoulda been a melusai...
>>96783022I suppose it's a lagging response to the criticism bitching and moaning from the game's first couple editions.
>>96783057They shouldn't have listened. AoS needs to be it's own thing completely. As of now it's being shifted into more and more of a very poorly thought out copy of fantasy. Which begs the question, why play the cheap copy when the original is right there. This is both in terms of the wordbuilding (Fantasy) and the gameplay (40k). AoS seems like a watered down copy of both in those two aspects in 4e. It does not bode well for the health of the game long term.
>>96782648Every video of theirs that gets posted here just seems to be dumping on the game>HoH SUCK>SCE SUCK>AoS should be more like TOW>The boxes are so MID>GW needs to DITCH this gameit's all angry clickbait shit from somone who's soured on the hobby and can't just drop the shit because they retardedly made it their job, so now they just make hate videos. Don't post this trash here>>96783022You can't seriously be saying that turning FS into normal dwarves would be watering them down. FS are based entirely on a single unit type from Fantasy with basically nothing else in their entire range. FS are watered down WHFB dwarves. Turning them into normal dwarves would mean you would have greater variety in models and types of units, which the faction desperately needs.
>>96782648>They seem to want many features from TOW to be brought into AoS.So do I if it means bringing back actual fucking options
>>96783086AoS is WHF-lite now, it's WHF aka TOW that has to be original
>>96782721>LoAi believe they were released like early 2010s no?and before that like early-mid 90s, last thing Bryan Ansell oversaw no?whatever the case may be at best it's been over a decade.
>>96782648So every match needs to be 3 unpainted lanterns vs 3 unpainted lanterns?
>>96782657Ogres and OBR.Feast of Bones 2: More Marrow More Problems
>>96782657I'm hoping the fyreslayers rebranding is real
I think that with Slayers + Dispossessed, the Slayers will be the "main" dwarves and the not-slayers will be the "outcasts" who are shamed for not attempting suicide by combat daily.
>>96783457You already have rebranded dwarfs in TOW. In all their glory. If you want to play generic dwarfs go there. AoS is for more fantastical concepts not hand me down armies from TOW.
>>96783227As someone who never played ToW, even before it was first removed, I was shocked to learn that they actually pick individual items even for basic battleline not to mention how much they can customize heroes. It feels like AoS is supposed to be the simpler mass appeal game whereas ToW is more of a gritty wargame for veterans who want more complexity.
Does anyone have an idea of what the aesthetic influences on any of the factions are? Like the lizards are extremely obvious and always have been, but what about Lumineth, CoS, Deathrattles, Helsmiths, etc. I think the Deathrattles are some combination of Slavic and Middle Eastern armors but I'm not sure.
>>96783492>Dude, what if we took one unit from TOW dwarfs and made that the WHOLE factionyou are smoking crack if you think Oops, all Slayers™ is not a watered down version of fantasy's dwarves.
>>96783530Lumineth are very obviously classical Greco aesthetics amplified. Helsmiths are just a mess because they used to be Babylonian inspired but now it's a really bad mix of babylonian aesthetics crossed with art deco. Just awful.
>>96783086AOS is still very much its own thing, dwarves trying to revive one of their dead gods is pretty unique to the setting, ultimately we just have to wait to see what the new face of duardin will be, before a judgment can really be allocated. >gameplay I genuinely think the games better to actually play a game with its core rules than 40k by a LOOOOOOOOONG fucking shot, I gave up 40k somewhere just after pariah nexus and realized that the game is completely at odds with itself. The books that some armies get in 40k, I will admit, do attract more curiosity than I have for some armies in 4th, they do also have the issue of being an issue later down the line but thats another conversation of long-term balance. Also broken coast is better than crusade, immensely so>>96783227I wouldn't want aos to copy off of tow, Maybe it'd be better if they went back to the design philosophy that they had back in 2e, or even 4e 40k, Maybe even took a peak at 3e horus heresy, just a smidge ( im looking at those status here).
>>96783561I would also like that. Unfortunately I think it's becoming more clear that 40k and AoS being the two " mainline " games of GW are going to continue to be designed in a dumbed down board gamey manner. In order to have larger mass appeal. On the flipside. TOW and HH are also considered two of their four pillars (as stated in their investor reports) and are there to capture both the older Warhammer gamer who wants more complex and interesting rules and the newer players who want something closer to a simulation of a battle vs a board game. I am not denigrating 40k or AoS by saying it's being board gamified either. I think in terms of the goals of GW (mass appeal) it's much smarter than making the rules more complex. Especially when you already have both a Sci Fi and Fantasy game system from GW if you want more complexity than AoS and 40k offer.
>the only relevant change to exisitng kits is that Warcry Vulkyn replace basic Vulkites>only new teaser is another normal Fyreslayer model
It's over.
>>96783648>literally thought on RedditNice reddit opinion there, you should go back there
>>96783648I know that this is the lowest quality bait possible but every time I read about shit like "emotional and narrative weight" in Fantasy I just think about soul grinders and doomwheels
>>96783648Emotional narrative weight? After 5e?
>>96782885>to save face>5 min after going onlineAnon please, I know canadians aren't the brightest but surely you can come up with better bait than this
>>96783648>slop think for me please
>>96783690He's asshurt Cathy launch didn't sell out outide of like Wietnam and West Africa on GW site
>>96783698It's a machine that analyses the breadth and depth of human wisdom throughout the ages and gives responses based on said wisdom. No need to be upset.
>>96783734
>>96783734It also analyzes the breadth and depth of human stupidity throughout the ages.
It's never been more over.
>>96783751soulgrinder
>>96783751I love how Grok somehow manages to include Stormcast hate. Must be a widespread opinion on the internet for it to specify how stupid Stormcast are in terms of lore.
Here's how we can still save AoS>Uhhhhh>Uhmmmmm>Make it.... more complicated? With more numbers??? And dice???????>Add boobs? People like boobs right?>mmmm free rules even after battletome releases?>Make it more like TOW? But not too much or else nobody will play TOW because there's new Old World. Or they wouldn't play AoS because there's old New World? idk put a pin on this one
>>96782186This is really cool idea. Care for a question?How would you adapt the story of Gilgamesh and Enkidu to AoS? Valaya as Ishtar? Isthar sent the Bull of Heaven after Gilgamesh. Bull is Hashut. How would that work?From that WarCom article, Valaya did "unspeakable act" with Hashut. And Helsmiths do seem to regard Valaya in more favourable ligbt then other Dward deities.
>>96783758Revert to 2nd with a bit of 3rd in there
>>96783699I wonder if it's the same leaf trying to stir shit all thread. It's been relatively quiet and free of consolewarring lately
>>96783751>stormcast immortals respawning like video game avatars
>>96783751>endless reboots Does 2e even count as a reboot? Fantasy had like 5
>>96783734Hey dipshit, it doesn't analyze a fucking thing. LLMs literally just predict the next word it should use.
>>96783648...IS warhammer fantasy grimdark? Seems more nobledark than anything
>>96779727I always liked this in pictures. Then I saw one on the table and realized how pathetic it looks in person. Glad I didn't base an army choice around it.
>>96783789It’s grimderp post 5e
>>96783751>First off, let me be real with you - these are fundamentally different beasts, and the "best" one really depends on what kind of masochistic hobby commitment you're willing to make and what actually gets your blood pumping.>Age of Sigmar is the main event, the big daddy of fantasy Warhammer right now. It's what replaced the Old World after Games Workshop literally blew up the entire setting in the End Times (still controversial, people are STILL mad about this). AoS has evolved tremendously since its rocky 2015 launch. The current edition is actually pretty damn good - it's streamlined, the setting has found its identity with these vast cosmic realms, and there's a huge model range. BUT, and this is a big but, you're looking at potentially thousands of dollars for a full army, significant painting time, and games that can take 2-3 hours. The community is large though, so finding games is usually easy.>The Old World is pure nostalgia bait - and I mean that in the best way possible. It's literally Games Workshop going "okay, okay, we hear you" to all the grognards who've been complaining about AoS for a decade. It's set during the period before the world exploded, with rank-and-flank regiment-based warfare. The models are gorgeous, the rules are crunchy and detailed, but here's the thing: the barrier to entry is BRUTAL. You need even more models than AoS, movement trays, and the rules complexity is significantly higher. This is for people who want to relive or experience Warhammer Fantasy Battles as it was meant to be - glorious, expensive, and time-consuming.
I know it can be difficult to police but damn the site really needs a report category for AI slop.
>>96783769Yeh it's probably 1 guy
Keep the botslopping limited to /wfg/
>>96783823>reporitng stuff when the person you're reporting it to is likley the same perosn that posted itI'm sure he'll delete it as soon as his paycheck come is
>>96782648These guys run one of the worst places in southern Ontario.
>>96783836>the jannies are attacking Age of Sigmar
>>96783860>he doesn't know
>>96783875Is this linked to the nation of Poland being behind the anti Age of Sigmar conspiracy on tg? Or is this some new schizo shit?
>ironjawz souped with morks>gloomspite souped with shitmob>DoK about to be souped with umbraneth>Sylvaneth about to be souped with kurnothi>Fyreslayers about to be souped with CoS rejectsTotal idoneth and kharadron victoryBow to your nautically-themed overlords
>>96783894Idoneth and KO are about to be soupe together, since fish and ships area common thema
>>96783851Everyone loved LoW here a couple years ago when they were playing and speaking well of the game. Then 4e came out and both of them quit and spoke out against it and now they are the bad guys. Come on now.
By Hashut, those Helsmith girls are pure fire beneath the sheets!
>>96783894>Sylvaneth about to be souped with kurnothiOut of the four you mentioned, this is the retarded one. Why would FOREST ELVES with FOREST CREATURE BITS be out of place with FOREST ELVES with FOREST BITS? IJ and KB are different because one lives in deserts and are huge and buff while the other lives in swamps and is lean, GSG and GM are different because one is based entirely in and around caves while the other is based entirely in and around arid plains. We don't even know how the dorf rejects look they might fit visually with slayers.Also you're a faggot
It feels like AoS is dying in my area. Have you guys noticed less tournaments too?
>>96783530Rattlers are Greek & Korean ( ? ), the Greek I'm seeing but the Korean is mostly the helmets I think. Would like to see wackier constructs from the mortisans, if you've got the material, time and imagination, I don't see why they wouldn't create some crazy soldiers for Nagash.
>>96782186 Fellow Chorf chads, please answer!This is really cool idea. Care for a question?How would you adapt the story of Gilgamesh and Enkidu to AoS? Valaya as Ishtar? Isthar sent the Bull of Heaven after Gilgamesh. Bull is Hashut. How would that work?Would Bull of Heaven (Hashut) go rogue and help Gilgamesh and Enkidu? Is Hashut Gilgamesh himself? Valaya (Isthar) is jealous because he rejected her advances?From that WarCom article, Valaya did "unspeakable act" with Hashut. And Helsmiths do seem to regard Valaya in more favourable light then other Dwarf deities.
I hope we get more gargoylians
>>96783764uh....maybe gilgamesh(place holder name) was one of Hashuts favored sons? And valaya accidentally pinned Hashut to kill him? Because she feels bad she gives a blessing to hel smiths for more fertility, leading to smiths being more favorable to her? Enkidu(another placeholder name) in the aftermath, sees the death of Gilgamesh (how the fuck do I adapt these names to be more dwarvish fucking damn), goes the opposite end of what gilgmesh in the myth did, and worships power, who in his eyes, is the bull. ....give me a week and I promise I can draft this up so it wont like something on AO3
>>96784054My brother in Hashut, I have some trouble deciphering what you wrote.
>>96784071phone posting, sucks my b.
>>96784071Sweaty gay dwarf sex but one of them is a f*male
>>96784054HoH are art deco not Babylonian. You better come up with some Dwarven names for Charlie Chaplin and Marlene Dietrich rather than the epic of Gilgamesh.
>>96784076Try again, for the Bullfather!
>>96784078The Great Gatsby but Dwarves
>>96784078There is Assyrian and Babylonian influence in Helsmiths alright.
>>96784083This but unironically is what the HoH vibes are aesthetically. >>96784089There used to be, we art deco now
>>96784020I had an idea for a BoC warband before they were squatted based on the gilgamesh enkidu story (well, mostly enkidu). Long story short a herd besieges a slaaneshi city, who keep sending gifts to the besieging beasts. They eventually succumb to the luxury of civilization; they oil and perfume their fur, bedeck themselves in jewels and trinkets, pride themselves on the finest weapons. They hate themselves for it inside of course, in true slaaneshi fashion. They now serve as the protectors of the city, which takes the place of Shamhat in the story. Might revisit the concept for a slaaneshi spearhead or something, using beastmen models.
Stormcast Eternals used to be art deco...
>>96784096I salute you!At least someone here knows their Mesopotamian mythology.And ideas for Hashut (Gilgamesh) and Valaya (Ishtar)?
>>96783894>>Sylvaneth about to be souped with kurnothiBy the Everqueen, let it not be so.
>>96783530Helsmiths are mid-20th century American. >Art Deco>industrial barons>Babylonian (proto-Jewish)>fat>warlike>feminist
>>96784130That Taurus and the Bull walker are both such awful models. I can get behind the artillery and infantry, but damn did they fuck up the centerpieces BIG TIME.
>>96784082A stream of consciousness is the best I can do for now man. >>96784095nah it can be a mix of both. Architecturally yeah I can see the art deco you speak of, but the beards, sashes, and the centaurs are still there telling a different story.
I think the art deconess of the HoH is a great example of why the freedom of the setting is such a double edged sword. It's like 9/11, sometimes great ideas can be terrible ideas.
>>96783953A couple years back they were still the only place doing covid stuff. Now they regularly push pride agenda and still have the worst prices anywhere withing a 100km. Terrible access to the store for cars also.
>>96783953I cant recall anyone here pushing sloptubers here. Let alone one's that are "drama "focused.
>>96784165To be fair the fag agenda pushing is part and parcel of being part of the community in Canada. If you find a store that doesn’t have the fag flag sticker on the door it’s the exception and not the rule.
>>96784211I can only think of 2 that double down on it. LoW and Black Knight. Avoid those and you are alright anywhere between west end toronto and hamilton.
>>96784004I'm not too sure where you're getting Greek or Korean honestly. The skeletons are just the Ulfenwatch made into the general skeleton sculpt and the Vyrkos are absolutely Slavic vampires. The armor looks like some of the Medieval Slavic armors that come up on Google and their scimitars seem Middle Eastern.
>>96784231I thought he was talking about obr honestly, and even then they are mostly Persian themed.
MFs, the HoH dice are already out of stock?!?! DAMN, i wanted one :(
>>96784222Oh word I didn’t know I just watch their videos. I don’t order from them because why would I pay 20% more over supporting my local LGS.
>>96784247Literally just order from an LGS for cheaper than GW. There’s tons of stock out there. I don’t understand the retards who spend more to buy direct from GW.
>>96784247>out of stockWhat? Are you in the third world?
I cannot believe anyone would pay $39 for 16 basic plastic D6s just because it matches their army
>>96784095>there used to beWhat kind of sumerian motifs do you think they've lost?>>96784110Valaya doesn't feel very ishtary to me. Valaya is more like homely housewife hera than secuding aphrodite ishtar. Isn't her whole thing with gilgamesg that he turned her down and it led to the death of enkidu? If anything it seems like hashut cared about valaya, she was the one that managed to mediate between him and grungni/grimnir when the realms were allotted and he got ghur. Idk combining the ancestor gods with sumerian myth is kinda tricky, since you're just trying to mesh two sets of pre-exisiting characters. Work better if you make youe gilgamesh and ishtar parallels mortal chorfs of importance or something.
>>96784324At least the AoS and TOW dice have rounded corners. The 40k dice don’t so not only are you paying out the ass for coloured dice you’re paying for really really bad dice.
>>96784331This is the first time I've seen someone claim that rounded dice are better...
>>96784324Most of the dice that GW put out are low effort. Once in a while they release fantastic thematic dice like the Tomb Kings bone dice.
>>96784331Sharp corners are.... le bad?
>>96784348Yeah man that's why casinos famously use very rounded and not at all sharp dice
>>96784345>>96784348Sharp cornered dice roll far worse than rounded corner dice.
>>96783524> Options for dudes is 'gritty'Zoom zooms need to die or go back to Vidya.And FTI you stupid faggot, we ARE essentially TOW lite now, with their bullshit - sorry I mean stunning and brave- decision to introduce points for sub factions, fucking terrain, endless spells, artifacts, and heroic traits (aka the best one that we made of the shitty three options we gave you? You are punished for it). AoS is currently in the worst of both worlds.
>>96784358They don't need to roll for five seconds. That's a waste of time. They need to tumble, stop, and display a number.
>>96784380I think that by "gritty" he actually meant "granular", which would definitely be the correct word for that. Also, what the fuck are you even mad about here?
>>96784324It's already overpriced at 25 euros, so I image he's new zealander or whatever monopoly money works out to 39 fucking dollars.>>96784347I'm going to say it, the weird and practical lumineth "dice" were pure sovl
>>96784407Meant impractical there of courseAlso, lest we forgot the worst dice set ever made by gw
>>96784407Those were very cool. >>96784355The lumineth dice are what casinos used to use. So you want to use that kind of dice?
>>96784419What about the squig dice
>>96784280I've been to several LGS's and most of them still sell everything at MSRP if it's a not a completely fucked box.
>>96784407Apparently they're $34 in American monopoly money
>>96784436This is the correct answer
>>96784443What country do you live in? Definitely not like that here in Canada. Even so, wherever you live you can 100% order online from an LGS in your country and save 15-20%. Here in Canada the LGS discount “ cap “ is 15%. Meant that third parties aren’t allowed to advertise larger than 15% discounts. There’s an LGS in my city that shows online a 15% discount, but if you buy in store it’s a 20% discount. That way they stay within the boundaries of GW’s terms.
>>96784436those are the best dice
>>96784407the long dice are terrible, not even from a practical perspective but because it just leans into the flanderized long boy aesthetic GW elves are.>>96784436bad execution of a good concept. it should have been a normal dice with it looking like a squig is inside, intead of trying to stretch a squiq into a cube shape>>96784419I kind of fuck with the ice cubes. Is this IDK?
>>96784407>>96784444Canada. When you take into account the exchange rate and how shit weak our dollar is we actually pay way less for Warhammer than Americans across the board. In HH and TOW it’s even cheaper because a regular TOW/HH box costs $100 for a 20-40 man unit in Canada and $100 in the US. So we are straight up paying like 30% less than Americans just due to currency.
>>96784380The game should have some degree of granularity and customization to it. You have characters? You should be able to outfit them with traits and artifacts and a selection of spells if they're a wizard. Your army should have some sort of unique attribute based on what Realm they're from. Frankly when I look at the rules I'm just fucking bored by them. A couple of spells for your army plus the whopping ONE any individual wizard gets, even the likes of Nagash and Kroak.
>>96784458I'm in the US, I've walked into 3 different stores and every spearhead is 145, all the individuals units are MSRP. Maybe it's a regional issue, I'm in the suburbs of a big city so I'm sure even at MSRP they probably sell their shit quickly. >Even so, wherever you live you can 100% order online from an LGS in your country and save 15-20%I've joined discords for two of the stores and they take preorders but I haven't seen them list the prices so I'm not sure if maybe that's how you get stuff discounted. All the shit on the shelf isn't discounted.
>>96784326It is hilarious to me that people say Helsmiths lost Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian influence. Anyway, while Valaya does come off more as Hera, I was wondering how to reconceptulize her as Ishtar. Valaya is goddess of beauty, love and ferility. A Duardin Ishtar.
>>96784470Are you sure about that? I've seen some online listings for stuff in Canadian stores and it's usually comes out to a similair price after conversion
>>96784483https://warpfireminis.comTook me 2 seconds going off a quick google search into a Reddit thread. I assume like here in Canada there’s 100’s of other stores that offer the same discounts if you don’t want to order from what I linked.
>>96784470Recommendations for Canadian stores I should import to the US from?
>>96784436Wrong>>96784460Right
>>96784499Looks like they adjusted prices after the price increase. The boxes are now $90 usd and $107 cad MSRP. But still, as of today $90 USD is $126.20 Canadian. So you’re still paying 20% more in the US for the same kits after conversion
>>96784324There's also not enough dice for rolling attacks.Necromunda dice are worth it, but I have one set I use across 4 different gangs, don't care that it doesn't match
>>96784512Unfortunately you can’t. GW makes retailers sign agreements that limited their shipping options to domestic only. If they didn’t the entire world would probably order from Wayland in the UK as they have the highest standards discounts. That being said, literally just google American stores, read some reviews and order. It’s not rare for an LGS to offer 15% off in my experience.
>>96784466They're idk ones yes. Has to be the single worst from a practical perspective.>>96784483I'm in western europe and I'm in the same boat. Alll physical stores I've been to (around 5) sell at gw webstore prices (although one is 99% card games and seemingly hasn't realized there's been a price hike yet lol). That being said there's a few online retailers around that do offer pretty nice discounts, even when accounting for possible shipping costs.
>>96784443Bizarre. Ours vary, some are GW prices but most are 10-30% less
>>96784545Sounds like I should just use a mail forwarder in the UK
>>96784540God I wish people played Necromunda in my city. Looks like such an amazing game.
>>96781786Yeah that tracks. When I get around to painting my DoK minis I'm going to give them tramp stamps and womb tats.
>>96784566Maybe. But once you account for that and the lost money on currency conversion I doubt you end up ahead of just ordering from a domestic LGS that offers the standard 15% and free shipping on decently sized orders
>>96784566not that easy. A mail forwarder will cost extra and that's not factoring in the normal international shipping and tarrifs you have to pay.
>>96784567It is. It is super unbalanced so needs some self control, but it's awesome. If I were you, try and start a campaign and draw others in
>>96784566https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/wiki/retailers/
>>96784575That's not what DoK are for!>>96781786You're missing the most important one>>96781801This
>>96784586I don’t really care about balance desu. Necromunda seems like a game built for narrative players. You’d have to be a massive faggot to try and power game that style of game.
>>96784586Powergamers are the biggest fags in any setting. If you don't prioritize having a cool or thematic army and instead just run the top meta picks you're bitchmade and deserve to be the paypiggy GW treats you as.This new era of GW making the whole game to cater to tournyfags is the worst.
>>96784620Tourneyfags will unironically be the death of age of sigmar. 4e is their edition, and the rest of us suffer bland and boring gameplay because of it.
>>96784620>>96784625What's the point of appealing to tourneyfags anyway? Are they really such huge spenders that GW prefers to cater to them instead of casuals that make up the vast majority of their customers?
>>96784625Every hardcore metafagging player I've heard talk about 4E have said they preferred older editions and wanted more complexity put in with stuff like TOW has. The feeling I get is they wanted to change things up for new people, unfortunately new people don't get into these games because of rulesets, they get into them because of cool characters and models.
>>96784634I imagine it's about trying to create more WAACfags by turning them into tournyfags. WAACfags are the type to buy any model in as much quantity as they need to make the strongest army possible. WHich means whenever something new comes out that has busted rules, they'll buy as many as they can field. So by trying to turn the game into a tournament friendly state where there's not much exploitable and everything is largely the same kinds of +1 whatever buffs, they make people buy more of whatever is new and strong.At least that's my hypothesis.
>>96784634>Are they really such huge spenders that GW prefers to cater to them instead of casuals that make up the vast majority of their customers?Yes. They are immensely more lucrative. Notice how GW keeps talking about balance balance balance in 40k? Do you know why they never achieve balance despite it being all they talk about in terms of game design? Because they don't want balance. They want an ever shifting meta. Why? Because tournament fags will spends thousands of dollars every few months to tune their armies back into meta lists when the balance slate hits.Casuals buy an army, paint it and play with it for years. Meta fags will effectively buy a new army every few months to stay competitive. All by design. This is the future of AoS as one of the two mainline games.
>>96784625Like >>96784646 said gw is trying to appeal to what they THINK tourney players like, not necessarily what they actually like. In my experience tourneys really aren't as waacy as you'd expect (then again I've only gone to local smaller ones). People aren't really trying to win no matter what, they're trying to win with their specific army. Tourney players like choice, they like options, they want to feel like their list building matters like anybody else.
>>96784601>>96784620That's the problem. Some people can't divorce it and still build to power game. My group only has one guy who is kind of a bit power gamey but besides him, everyone else has good self control. Playing the gang to the theme is also great fun. Weirdly I seem to have better results using the worst units/weapons rather than more optimal loadouts.>>96784625This is something I have not enjoyed about 4th, it feels too soulless, I want more character to armies and unique skills and less balance. I love Warcry too and with that the random missions are sometimes disgustingly unbalanced, but, it's more fun.>>96784634I assume so. It's sad. But like >>96784654 said, they will buy whatever is strongest. The rest of us buy an army because it's cool and play it no matter how good or bad it is.
>>96784654I don't know about older AOS, but I've perused 8th 40k rules and units and, at least from a customization POV, it was peak. Lots of psychic disciplines to choose from, plenty of artifacts to customize your generic character units, actual weapon options for squads. That's the kind of shit I want to see in AOS instead of the boring streamlined bullshit it is right now.Bring back full magic lores and choices for your wizards to take x amount of spells, bring back your realm of origin actually doing something for your army, give enough different artifacts that you can actually make a potentially interesting hero build, and for the love of god let traits do something other than fucking rerolls or give a ward save. Give some bonus movement, summon a new unit, drop a comet with a blast plate onto the field. Make the game interesting and fun and not just "hold objectives".
>>96779664Anybody here have the new chorves and try painting them in a non-box scheme?
>>96784737>Make the game interesting and fun and not just "hold objectives".Yes to everything but especially this.Again using Warcry as an example, so many fun and thematic missions. Most of them can easily be adapted to AoS
>>96784739We've had a couple of them post here.
>there are people still hating on the HoH modelsI thought everyone realized they were good after seeing some alternate paint schemes and actually having the models in hand.
>>96780340This is something I absolutely hate about the current edition. They made wizards mandatory but it completely takes me out of it that every fucking podunk warband has a pocket wizard or fucking Kroak with them. How the hell does that make sense. Just let me make thematic lists, just copy Middle Earth Strategy Battle and let Heroes have a resist magic roll so that not every list has a theme breaking wizard in the middle of it at every points size.
>>967847743 contrarians and 5 TOW players crying and spamming, nothing more. Just ignore them.
Now that the dust has settled, why are HoH selling well even on a non-limited release?
>>96784811Because they look good and are good. I have a blast with them. Wins are rare for GW lately, but this one is a win, no doubt.
>>96784811Im still waiting for that spearhead james. I'll only buy the named hero until then.
>>96784747When I see and think of a war game, I think "what would the actual objectives of these armies be?". Most of the time it should be to rout the enemy from the field. Which should always be an option for units to lose morale and flee the field. In the context of a Fantasy game like this, there's tons of room for army objectives. E.g. Seraphon vs STD>Old One artifact on a hill that can be used to seal a Chaos rift, Seraphon want to get there and use it>Ancient Chaos portal across the way that can flood the realm with daemons, STD want to open itSo you have different objectives with potentially different effects if they are reached, with the Old One thing nuking the portal and everything around it and the portal summoning a new unit of daemons or a greater daemon each turn it's active. Is it perfectly balanced? No. But it does give players some choice in how to pursue their games and throws some interesting effects in for meeting or denying objectives.And yes, I do think GW should be using blast templates for big magic and artillery. Getting rid of them in 40k was a mistake and they would do well here.
Anyone has Kharadron pdf for 2, 3 and 4 ed to share?
>>96784828this is why i argue that narrative campaigns benefit from having a gamemaster-figure to set up thematic match objectives and help define the overarching "plot" development based on results
>>967847378th was far into the decline. Look at a pdf of the chaos space marines 3.5e codex. That’s the level of customization I want.
>>96784806>it’s a few shills! Lmao how delusional are you? Even Duncan is voicing his opinion. The HoH are very controversial aesthetically. It’s not a few bad apples you retards.
>>96784811600+ limited edition boxes for sale at 600+ different NA stores (massive flop)
>>96784868>This guy said X is bad, so its bad.yeh yeh, whatever you say deary, go back inside grandma.
>>96784874most of those "stores" on storefront apps like Shop don't offer shipping you retard.
>>96784868I cant speak for others, and i dont know and dont care who this Duncan is, but in my LGS we are 11 playing AoS and 7 bought HoH and like the aesthetic they have.
>HoH are such a flop, here's how I bought them to do minor kitbashes to run in TOW It's really just a deviation from the norm of WHF. Personally I'd give them StD heads and sculpt beards for a more 80s look
>>96784903Yes they do you absolute retard. I’ve literally never seen a store on that app that doesn’t do shipping.
>>96784868dunno who the fuck duncan is but it's true they are controversial. Mostly I think it's a lot of Chorf die hards who don't like them as much as the classic chaos dwarfs, which is fair. I slightly prefer the old hats mainly but I think they did a good job with a lot of the new stuff, especially honing in on the stone aids curse stuff. A guy with a stone back or half stone face is much more interesting than someone like Astrogoth ironhand who's just disabled and needs robo legs to walk
GW must have assumed they would sell like Ultramarines if there is 600+ stores that still have stock of limited edition boxes but also everyone in everyone’s area is buying big time.
>>96779736 It makes me so fucking mad hatchette doesn't even have an australian website that works, i couldn't subscribe to stormbringer if i wanted to even while the last ~10 issues were still being shipped, let alone buying copies like this. I guess they just hate aussies.
>>96784936the app says they ship, yes, but the app is just trawling publicly facing websites for listings. when you go to the same store's actual website they often have big disclaimers saying "local pickup only."
>>96784868Duncan didn't say anything bad about the sculpts retard, he praised themHis video is literally just how to make them wysiwyg and paint them for ToW
>>96784753Any pics? My LGS has one of the starter boxes still and I'm debating grabbing it but I know I don't want to paint them in the warcraft legion default scheme>>96784826didn't they already show what the spearhead is comprised of? I thought they put a pdf out for theirs
>>96784774I just don't like the art deco hexagonal shit. I wanted arrows and spikes. I was really banking on them looking like the 2016 Daemonsmith.
>>96784989Just paint the Burning Crusade dwarfs come on Warcraft is cool
>>96784990>>96784997Mmm as someone relatively new to warhammer this feel too.... generically chaos-y. Like he can be mistaken for khorne or undivided. I can see how HoH can be seen as kinda tame in appearance but you can say for certain they wouldn't be mistaken as Chaos Centrists or one of the Big Four. Or, I guess, Five?
>>96784989There is a chance, a very small chance, that they might make another separate spearhead that’s different from the army set. I have no evidence to back this theory up however. Either way a discount is a Discount.
>>96785007>Like he can be mistaken for khorneThis was a deliberate thing back in Fantasy. In-universe it was acknowledged that depictions of Hashut resembled Juggernauts somewhat and it was theorized that the gods may be connected. One of the old Hashut symbols was even a weird ersatz Khorne symbol.
>>96785007Yeah HoH suck and the redesign was handled really poorly. Careful you'll be labelled a ToW player or Pole or something by the resident " HoH are popular " schizo.
Am I allowed to take my gnoblars and just call them hobgrots? I don't want to spend money on fucking hobgrots.
>>96785025trying too hard
>>96785025the image you're reacting to isn't a HoH mini dumbass
>>96785007counterpoint: that's an awesome model
I am once again asking for gw to release the happenings in the scourge of ghyran.
>>96785025No one said HoH are popular or the best, they are good, just that; and no one will attack >>96785007 , because he said nothing wrong. Old chorfs looks a bit quite like AoS BoK or StD, and thats not good.Next time think a second before posting dumb things.
Can someone actually post a pic showing the differences between HoH and Chaos Dwarf models?
>>96785117
>>96782746I've got 8 or 9 depending on how you count them. All above 3k pts, about half of them above 4k pts
>>96785125pretty sure those are third party (Fabelzel) sculpts on the right
>>96782746I have 2 right now and I'm comfortable with that, not craving another army or anything.
>>96785142By Sigmar how horrifying
>>967827462 and a half. If I could justify the space I’d get 2 more.
>>96785117Left and middle Helsmiths of Hashut (Age of Sigmar), right Chaos Dwarf (Forgeworld)
>>96784855Absolutely. I ran a PTG and we just rolled random missions. Definitely learned it's better to progress the missions as the story goes on
>>96785179The smith has the better staff honestly. Lack of trim probably hurts smiths too.
>>96785179I feel like they went and referenced the old Chorf pose on the new Daemonsmith
>>96785117Forgeworld chorfs were heavy metal and testosterone. HoH are Warcraft crossed with third wave feminism.
>>96785117More FW chorfs
>>967827463 right now, used to have 4 but comnverted all my sbgl (old vordrhai, graveguard, etc) stuff after the refresh to tow
>>96784625The worst part is that the core rules re write of 4.0 is literally the best the AoS CORE rules have ever been, and you could do some fucking zanny rules shit since the timing of all the abilities is now very clear (if I'm active I do all my shit first then you do all of yours).Instead of using this opportunity, they gave use shit choices for all the rules customization choices, and now make us pay points for the one NON SHIT option they happened to write. The 'one special rule' per warscrolls idea was also trash (and isn't even strictly followed).
>>96785117Left and middle Helsmiths of Hashut, right Chaos Dwarf
>>96785201>>96785192These things have better detail but i prefer the new helsmiths aesthetic. Nothing about the old chaos dwarfs actually felt dwarven. The new ones do not have that problem
>>96785117In general the FW style was darker and more realistic. Whereas the HoH are a very cartooney Warcraft esque style.
>>96785216The old deathshrieker. Yeah they were more detailed. FW put in more effort than mainline GW cadslop designers.
>>96784483EBay sellers always discount (if they don't discount they die), shipping is generally free.Flip side gaming is excellent if you are on the east coast (they are based in NY). I have used cataclysm Games as well (all the pricing is within a buck of each other and they all have a lot of stock).
>>96785201>>96785192These are not very good. Especially the bulls. The mortar in general does not look fun to paint.
>>96785192>>96785201>>96785210>>96785217The bad thing about Chaos Dwarves is they are too generic. Take away the babylonian hat and they are generic Chaos Undivided.
>>96785192>There are females so it's feministY'all niggas have deep fried brains
>>96785225>>96785217>>96785210>>96785201>>96785192Not a fan, looks much worse than helsmiths
>>96785117>>96785233Yikes, amazingly bad or shill take. Do you enjoy Marvel movies and Warcraft by chance?
>>96785247trying too hard
>>96785247Why do your examples keep getting worse with every post? This the worst looking one yet
That's right, we will prefer whatever cadslop GW shits out with AoS branding on it. Fuck details and realism when you can have warcraft evil dwarves led by fat women.
>>96785225If you want overdetailed slop then there are plenty of 3d prints of chaos dwarves that just make them look like a mess. At least post faz chaos dwarves you fucking imbecile.
>>96785254*Snaps fingers in support*Say your truth queen!!!!
>>96785247the dorf on the saddle is utterly unreadablebad sculpt or bad paintjob?
>>96785252That's a bronze medalist Golden Daemon winner shillboy
>>96785247Shill? For not promoting something? Are you mentally ill?
>>96785213I prefer Helsmith Bull Centaurs and Anointed Sentinels, their aesthetic actually comes across as bulls. There is a aura of pride and dignity to them. Right picture comes across as basically retarded drooling inbreed beasts of chaos.Ironsworn minis are great however.
>>96785278Ignore the /v/erminHe's been spamming ever since somebody said he was going to buy the HoH box
>>96785267So?Space marines win gold every year, that doesn't make them good models. Just means the guy painted it to a high technical level with no mistakes. The mini itself is not a great mini
>>96779664Soon
>>96785288Nigga you're trying to tell me you genuinely believe the Great Gatsby bull is superior to that? You're actually delusional if so.
>>96785292Anon I...
Are people really returning to "realistic and super mega detailed good"? Are you serious? Did you even saw what kind of miniatures we had in Wharhammer Fantasy? Cartoony as fuck and with 4 tiny details maximum.And funny thing, when GW showed Cathay, all the TOW and WHF fans cried about "overdesigned and satured with bullshit".Stop being so retarded and fake. HoH are fine.
>>96785309people who simp for middle era FW are always offboard raiders looking to stir shit up
>>96783490I fucking hate this rumor and I hope it’s just a leaker who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, merging the disposessed and Fyreslayers is such a stupid and arbitrary decision wholly in service of making them not-dwarven holds. Would anyone who likes Fyreslayers actually want them souped with normal style dwarves and have their aesthetic weakened by it? Would anyone who didn’t like them suddenly like them, if they became half of an army that also contained lazy retreads of WHFB dwarves? Is it healthy or good for a game to rename a faction that’s been around for 10 years?
>>96785315I've literally been in the hobby since 4th edition 40k and 6th edition fantasy
>>96785297Yes. The new brass bull is better by a country mile. Aesthetic, pose, details, options. Everything
>>96785325Yeah and you never finished any of your models we get it, go play this song and dance in your looney bin.
>>96785324>Is it healthy or good for a game to rename a faction that’s been around for 10 years?Fyreslayers don't sell well. Dwarfs in ToW sell well. AoS will veer to make their Duardin more like Dwarfs to make more money. Makes total sense.
>>96785325sure bud
>>96785333I’ve posted my models many times,here are some of my oldest models including the second I ever painted back when I was a kid.
>>96785324 How exactly don dispossessed interact with ur gold? Do they just pocket it? Use it? Trade with it?
>>96785353>back as a kid
>>96785353Oh you're the same brown retard who kept throwing tantrums on 40kg with his barely painted sisters and beastment
>>96785354They sell it to the addicted fyreslayers like short midget drug dealers.
>>96785324>merging the disposessed and Fyreslayers is such a stupid and arbitrary decision wholly in service of making them not-dwarven holds. It's been 10 years and they're obviously run out of ideas at this point so what else would they do with them?>Would anyone who likes Fyreslayers actually want them souped with normal style dwarves and have their aesthetic weakened by it? Probably not, but if James is doing it I'm guessing their figures there aren't enough diaper enjoyers out there for it to matter.>Would anyone who didn’t like them suddenly like them, if they became half of an army that also contained lazy retreads of WHFB dwarves? Nostalgia>Is it healthy or good for a game to rename a faction that’s been around for 10 years?It's better than trying to constantly reinvent a failed concept à la Stormvast every fucking edition.
Why lumineth is so hard to buy? thats like the only army i cant find in any of stores.
>>96785366>brown kek. I have been around in this hobby since before you were even a sperm in your dads ball sack. My skin color is irrelevant.
>>96785334whatevers on the horizon for fyreslayers would have been in development for years before the first sales numbers from old world ever rolled in.its true fyreslayers arent popular, but i'd wager that has more to do with them basically not supporting the army with new models or units for 10 years straight, and their entire range consisting of only a few foot infantry kits and a single monster hero kit, and a smattering of token foot heroes. now in my opinion, as someone who collects fyreslayers, foot heroes are the soul of the army so that isnt a bad thing. if i had my way the army would have a similar setup to that khorne army of renown where all the heroes get like a 4+ ward or whatetever. but thats beside the point. people probably would have bought if over the years they got a cavalry unit, maybe another monster or two, some kind of flying/leaping/lavasurfing jump unit or somethingjust anything with a bit more interest than basic foot guy with an axe in a walking pose. i dont think you need to ditch the naked berzerker aesthetic to accomplish that, and lumping in dispossessed just puts a flat tire in the whole armies design, ESPECIALLY if that new hero from darkwater is any indication of the direction. HOLY FUCK IS THAT GUY BORINGthis picture. THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR.
>>96785392>doesn’t deny it Brown and lonely. Shouldn’t /wfg/ be keeping you company? Maybe you’d find a place in /twg/, your ilk loves echo chambers.
>>96785385>run out of ideasbut they never even tried anything. the army doesnt even have cavalry or a single warmachine
>>96782746As someone still putting together my first army, the most I could see getting is 3 actual armies not counting individual models or spearheads I would be curious about. Some guy in my area posted some pics of his collection of 9 armies including like 10 imperial knights models. I assume much like gacha or card games, Some people are just whales with more money than sense and buy more shit than they can reasonably paint or play with.
>>96785399Isn’t the entire reason they want to soup the two is so that dwarves can finally revive grimnir?
>>96785386>Why lumineth is so hard to buy? thats like the only army i cant find in any of stores.Only chads can access the (a)elf sections of an LGS, it's for your own good.
>>96785392>confirming you're that same sperg>appeal to seniority when saying you're maybe 35 at the oldestlmao!
>>96785386what country?
>>96785402I am neither brown nor lonely. Nor does your racism deflect from the fact that you have dogshit taste.
>>96785423Hopefully not in your favela.
>>96785353>>96785425you can't post these crusty ass beastmen models and claim you "have taste" silly non
>>96785192Falseflag post>>96785201I'm a LoA dickrider but I always HATED these guys. Can't wait to get the new ones.
>>96785419its hard to say because according to the leakers they actually had to scrap their entire 3e dwarf plotline involving the ancestor gods, the white dwarf, and reuniting the dispossessed clans after old world took back the dispossessed dwarf range. so its hard to say what lore is part of that cancelled storyline and what is setting up for the new shit
>>96785425You posted your hands when showing off a codexYou're brown
>>96785412>but they never even tried anything. No, they tried the one they had; diapers and it didn't work. You can't really expect a tiny mom and pop shop like James to come up with a second idea for an already existing army.>the army doesnt even have cavalry or a single warmachineNot diaper compatible, sorry
>>96785438Those were earlier models you retard. To show you how long I have been around. The point remains. If you think the art deco HoH look good then you're a retarded most likely underage warcraft/marvel enjoyer.
>>96785429jfc i was gonna suggest where you could buy some cheap lumineth but if you're gonna be a shit head you can just find them on your own
>>96785423Pl im not the fag that insulted you
>>96785450ah, okay. so you dont actually want to talk about fyreslayers, you're just a shitposter. fine. have fun being that.
>>96785419What? No? Fyreslayers believe grimnir will return when they’ve used up all the ur-gold to free his essence trapped within it, and that he’ll bring their dead back with him for some ragnarok style thing, probably because all fyreslayers become a part of grimnir by letting his essence free through their bodies. Those that go mad from glimmerlust often hallucinate themselves being grimnir, melding their surroundings with half-formed memories that may or may not be his
>>96785460what is Pl? poland? are you subject to the EU imports vat tax?
>>96785442Once again. My skin color is irrelevant. But for the record, I am not brown. But you are racist AND you have shit taste
The problem with Fyreslayers is, when your whole faction is angry barbarian dwarves with mohawks and tongs, it gets old and repetitive very fast.Kharadrons work because they have guns, harpoons, swords, maces, anchors, flying ships, bombs, etc. GW dont even tried with Fyreslayers. Where are the flying units of drakes spiting fire from above? siege weapons? or Avatar of the Grimnir? or a hero mounting an elemental-whatever into combat? The only unique model is the runfather/runesmith/runeson in Magmadroth. Someone use the Vulkites with shield?
>>96785309I just like my machines to have worky bits dudeI like pistons and gears and stuff
>>96785451Your ethos and logos is all fucked up man, you got your pathos running you like you’re a woman.
>>96785473yea
>have legitimate grievances with the HoH range>every time somebody appears to be agreeing with me they shit the bed and start posting about deranged shit like race and sexmake it stop
>>96785460Nie lepiej zamówić z Waylanda? Masz całe EU otwarte nie? >>96785487I don’t speak Peterson.
>>96785309They dont believe their own lie. They try to convince themself that the old ones are good, but they never played them and they are not good. They are a mess, but you know, nostalgia.
>>96785496Im the one being attacked and called brown for agreeing with the grievances with the HoH range. It’s the shills that are racist chuds.
>>96785385>It's been 10 years and they're obviously run out of ideas at this pointThey’ve gotten 1 new kit that isn’t a clone foot hero, and everyone fucking loved it. People are constantly reinventing the same dozen ideas whenever they wishlist for the army. There is plenty of obvious directions, they’ve simply recieved no support, this is like saying the same thing about Idoneth and deciding they should merge with (insert elf faction here).>>96785399This hits the nail on the head, people like Fyreslayers as a concept, they just want more shit for them. Lots of foot heroes is fine and sort of what their fantasy is (except for 4e refusing to let you just go herohammer). No one who likes them or will actually buy them wants dwarf warrior 2.0 arbitrarily yanked out of being a core part of Cities to go shitting up their range.
>>96785505you ruined any semblance of an argument you had by crying shill and throwing a tantrum from the getgo
>>96785507Alright but idoneth absolutely should be souped with gargants, they are both bald.
>>96785507Same deal as Idoneth Deepkin basically. The community as a whole generally likes them and thinks they look really cool, but they're a one scroll spam army that hasn't really gotten much support at all so nobody wants to pick them up.
>can’t understand basic middle school concepts This guy
I'm a racist chud and I bought the Helsmiths box
>>96785495damn. i was gonna suggest trolltrader, because they've got a shit ton of lumineth stock, including new on sprue, for decent prices, but it looks like the VAT tax from UK to poland might kinda kill the savingsidk if there's a way to preview what the import tax would be on the order before you actually place it, im not from the EU, but i've had good luck with trolltrader in the past. i got a whole 4k pt maggotkin army off of there for about 50% off of retail price
>>96785540Yes, that's what I am saying you people are. Not all of you, but obviously there are some racist HoH shills here.
>>96785541gonna check it, thanks anon
>>96785464It's actually not a shit post, I'm fairly certain that is James' thought process, more or less. That they could have tried harder and that you don't like that they didn't is immaterial to the facts on the ground.
>>96785547To be fair I also play Kharadron Overlords
>>96783815>Age of Sigmar>The current edition is actually pretty damn good
>>96785505>>96785547>you're all racist chuuuuds>grrr I hate HoH because fat wimmen and blacks and marvel warcraft goylsop
>>96785634Keep fighting those strawmen anon, you are making your racist ass look much better.
>>96785650>strawmen>>96785247>>96785254>>96785451
>>96785663Yeah literally 0 mentions of race. The only race mentions were you calling me brown as if that makes any difference in how bad/good the HoH are. The fat women and warcraft are objective statement not insults.
>>96785677I accept your concession toddler-kun
I can’t believe the dude screaming „ YOURE BROWN „ has the gaul to call me a toddler. 0 self awareness.
still waiting on them warcry rules James.
>>96785694Just skip to this meltdown next time instead of pretending to give a shit about chorves vs HoH
>>96785694Bud I hope you don't seriously believe there's only one person laughing at your larp
>>96785709I hope you seriously don’t believe I am the only one in the thread who dislikes HoH aesthetically.
>>96785720No but you're the only one flying into this tardrage rant about marvel and warcraft and muh heckin wimmen and how cooool muh overdesigned FW models are (never owned a single one btw)
>>96785726I brought up fat women once. I bring up Warcraft constantly because it’s topical and exactly the aesthetic they went with for HoH
>you're all racistcorrect
>>96785399I think everyone is dooming about dispossessed for no reason. I think they army will still be mainly about fyreslayers, they'll just teach the rest how to use ur-gold s
The Warcraft comparison is valid, just look at the daemonsmith, he's just gul'dan it he was a midget
>>96785399>>96785766>THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FORand you really aren't getting that with current fyreslayers are you? No flaming hair, no proper lava monsters if we aren't counting invocations which don't look that good anyway. Now hear me out>fyreslayers>but they have armor made of Ur-gold and flames coming off their bodies
>>96785482You look fat. I'm down with brown but with fat there can be no pact
>>96785806flaming armor? they're cooked.
>>96785784Pauldrons aren't 3x the size of their head though
God Lumineth are so fucking cool, used to get swept up on the elf hate but they turned it around for me.
>>96785822if there's one thing I can give stormcast is that they don't have the dumb giant fuck off pauldrons that spess marines have
>>96785839Modern slop art. Why do the flesh eaters look like down on their luck kruleboyz?
>>96785822Pauldrons being oversized doesn't make the warcraft aesthetic. Space marines have giant soldiers but no one has ever said they look warcraftey aesthetically.
>>96785862because you've overfocused on the slightly greenish skin and pointy ear. you can't actually confuse the pointy spine backs and spear through the arm guys as anything other than flesh eaters. >>96785867warcraft takes its pauldrons to the extreme, when I think of WoW, I think of giant fucking pauldrons. even space marines don't come close to some of the dumb shit wow does. >literally the first image that comes up when you search "WoW armored characters
>>96785837While I would've absolutely LOVED the army to look more like that Spirefall style, I've come to love what we got with little complaint.
>>96785890Not really looking at the single pointy ear in the pic at all. Face structure etc though.
>>96785890
>>96785890I really should have saved the HoH pics that were photoshopped into the WoW screenshots during the reveal day in the summer. They fit like a glove.
>>96785949I hate WoW aesthetics and think HoH are great, they're not similair at all.
>>96785949You still wouldn’t communicate well
>>96785958You are entitled to your opinion but they really do look like an off brand 3d print range that's meant to represent Warcraft/Burning Legion without copy write infringement.
>>96785990No they really do notThere's nothing they're similar to other than dark iron dwarves and that's only because they're both spiky evil dwarves because they're both interpretations of duergar, with DID most likely ripping off chaos dwarves
>>96785990Bruh, the dwarves you were posting earlier are what look like 3d prints.
>>96786021Are you really going to make me hook up my old computer where I have them saved
>>96786043Yes, those images of them standing in front of the black temple doesn't prove your point
>the guy that is railing against nuchorfs is the piss and shit fetishist posting catgirl sisters in /40kg/ it's too good to be true
>>96786137It's too funny to not be true.
>>96785806>but they have armor no
>>96785837>God Lumineth are so fucking cool,If only the minis looked cool as well
So like was it stupid that I was hoping for hashut daemon engines to be flesh and metal like the 40k and BoK ones
Wow this thread sure went to shit.So anyways I think Stormcasts should have primarch-adjacent figures, one for each realm except Azyr. This way each realm's golden boys (gender neutral) could have something sorta... spicing them up. Like how in 40k chapters have gene flaws or quirks or preferred fighting styles and their successors play with these in different ways. Maybe, idk, "forge flaws", like how sometimes when forging a weapon or armor the metal is flawed or impure, SCE from different realms could have something about them that makes them slightly off from baseline azyrite Eternals. Like Ghyran ones are excellent navigators but can be overly attached to mortal things or Shyish ones are cold and emotionless but built sturdier.
>>96786205
>>96786217But whyOr is your point that I should not have expected literally anything
>>96782885>It didn’t sell out anywhere other than GW’s website where they probably put it as sold out to save face.Here's the classic /tg/ copium in actionDidn't sell out? It's the biggest failure in GW historyDid sell out? It's all a conspiracy by the nigger jews or something and it doesn't mean anythingThey will ALWAYS choose the option that makes them the most personally angry, and I hope these people finally have stress induced heart attacks and die
>>96786224You shouldn't have expected it to look like anything we currently have because any sort of faction mass overhaul would try to be as visually distinct as possible
>>96786205i dont think i've ever seen that done well. it always looks like a juggernaut got stuck in a wad of bubblegum or something
>>96786243But... the Skaven refresh...
>>96786205Is there actually any demon engines in 40K that look good? I kinda like the Mauler fiend but even that doesn’t really give off a demon engine “feel”.
>>96786260was a REFRESH, not an overhaul
>>96782885>It didn't sell anywhere look here's 4 listings
>>96786265If the Forgefiend doesn't give off that nebulous "feel" then I have no idea what would. I like that, the Venomcrawler, the Helstalker, the Bloat Drone, and the Blight Hauler.
>>96786271I can take a picture of the one HoH box lying at my LGS and go "LOOK LOOK IT'S NOT GONE! FLOP! FLOPSMITHS!!! LMAO!" and neglect to mention that I saw 3 of them being sold on release day
>>96786052Come on, the warcraft resemblance is uncanny, lay off the copium
>>96786260Makes me so mad I wanna spitWhy can't two fucking factions both have guns that look like gunsWhy does one have to be a fucking cartoon magic gun that looks like something they'd use as a censor in a german video game release
>>96786137I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about but I’ve never posting any kind of coom shit ever. >>96786271If you said 400 listings you’d still be more than 50% short.
>>96786224having basically the same lore as chorfs, Helsmiths forge machines and lock demons in them. It's not like how 40k demon engines are corruptions of chaos, chorfs are carefully forging these things. Aesthetically it's always been more a machine with swirling demonic souls powering the thing than cybernetic machine meets flesh. I personally prefer this concept to the much grosser way they do it in 40k.
>>96786290>Come on, the warcraft resemblance is uncannyMaybe if you're blind
>>96786301You just posted a model that has fleshy organic growths on the back. They're just painted metallic here; look at the store page photos for how it's "supposed" to look.
>>96786290>>96786297What do you call this autistic phenotype
>>96786303I am not comparing it to a shredder. That image places it in a wow raid where it looks like it fits in exactly. Get off the cope train. HoH look really bad. I don't hate AoS or some shit. Skaven refresh was amazing, Lumineth look great, Sunstealas look great etc. Lots of great new models in AoS. HoH are dogshit warcraft looking mofos.
>>96786317>That image places it in a wow raid where it looks like it fits in exactlyno, it really doesn'tyour nega-shill spergout isn't convincing anybody
>>96786295there is a point, in the sense that the two types of techology is pretty different. Skaven shove warpstone in their tech to make it do stuff and somtimes it explodes in their faces. The chorfs use weapons powered by demon souls that weren't designed by someone trying to fuck over the user.
>>96786310literally the same, actually with less gore bits on it. why did you waste my time making me pull this up
>>96786326Dude. Bottom left.
>>96786315meme-forcing. Some autists just need other people to agree with their "joke" and will repost it until they get other people to repost it (they never do) or they get banned for spamming every thread.
>>96786329This is too gnarly for modern gw. They would turn this into a glowing green orb
>>96786297you posted that your transports are white because they are supposed to look like porcelain toilets and catgirls would shit and piss everywhere in a battlefield
>>96786290>>96786303You’d have a better shot at putting it in fixiv maybe not wow.
>>96786367I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. I completely denounce any and all coombaiting or sexually provocative images on /tg/.
>>96786367
>>96786373Nah, xiv actually has a cohesive artstyle unlike WoW's growing pained lifespanAnd HoH look like neither
>>96786398Now I know you don’t know what you’re talking about.
>>96786401I've played both games for over a decade each, you can keep crying that nobody fell for your forced meme
>>96786398>>96786401>>96786407You’re both retarded for thinking that the other one of you is me. It’s a Warcraft aesthetic I didn’t bring up final fantasy. I don’t play weeb shit.
>>96786420You have far too much of an ego for somebody shitposting on a dead board on a botfilled website
Question. Whats the problem with Warcraft aesthetic? I mean, its a bit cartoony, yes, but isnt Warhammer like that since... mid Warhammer Fantasy? (Look at the WHF and 40K orcs)
>>96786516Retards use it as a pejorative.
>>96786516Wait till people find out that some of the foundational warhammer artists also worked as art directors and artists on world of warcraft
>>96786516I dislike it personally. AoS is kind of cartoony, but there's a scale for how cartoony or realistic something is, and WoW is way further down the scale than AoS is. I would say 40k is a good bit more cartoony than AoS is even.
>>96786516I've never played an mmo in my life so idk. Unless free realms counts. That game was weird.
>>96786553>40k is a bit more cartoony than AoS???
They should release a reverse spearhead for AoS. A system based on older more complex rules for AoS grogs. Call it Warhammer: The Old Realms and base it around 2e rules.
>>96786615i think he might be referring to the ridiculous armor proportions
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h0liF43lnwwThe Lords of War seem to be souring on AoS and hoping they introduce the granularity of Old World into AoS.
>>96786635SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>96782648>>96786635are you like a bot or something?
>>96786665>>96783648>>96783751No these are the only posts that contain any “ bot “ (AI) material in the thread
>>96786688grok is this true?
>>96786716Yes it is true. Grok chose Warhammer fantasy as the superior setting over AoS.
Of course the TOW/WHF retarded widows come here to cry and doomsaying bullshit all day because their thread (like their nostalgia scam game) is fucking dead.Seethe in your own thread, dont contaminated ours with your faggotry.
I think hes just lonely.
>>96786665Obviously it is>>96786754I'll be his friend. After a few months of eating good, lifting, nature exposure he will learn to not be so angry at everything.As we learned when we were kids surfing, "you don't tame the ocean, you learn to ride the waves"
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I think this comment nails the main issue with AoS right on the head
>>96786808>people stop playing setting>gw kills it and makes new one to hopefully start selling again>wtfwtfwtf why did they kill it everybody loved it
>>96786817Nah fantasy being killed was the final and most retarded decision of Kirby’s prior to him getting booted. The only silver lining is that that fat boomer retard sold his shares when they were worth 1/12 of what they are today.
>>96782648>>96786665Why are these fags getting posted here. Their store in Oakville Ontario is unironically filthy.
>>96786829do not let your memories (or others') of 4th and 5th trick you into thinking 6-8th were anywhere near as beloved or even close to as popular
>>96786840If you’re an American then maybe I can understand your take but in Europe fantasy was very popular right up until the end. 8th did have trouble bringing in new players but that was on the cost of entry and core rule changes making the game more expensive (hordes I assume you know what I am talking about)
>>96786836Did you even watch the video. They both have stormcast armies. It’s not some blind hate video.
>>96786868I'm not watching their shit. Their store sucks. Every time I've gone they're rude, dismissive or unhelpful. Fuck those guys. If you ever go there make sure to ask about the blood angels army that was in white dwarf in their cabinet. The one guy working there fucking hates that the other dude got featured and will spill his spaghetti and flip out saying how everything in the cabinet is better than that army and that it's not that good.
>>96786919Thank god my LGS's employees suck ass at painting and will NEVER make it into White Dwarf
>>96786615space marines look way more like toys than stormcast do imo. >>96786808I dont' this assesment makes any sense. >WHFB is bleeding more money than it makes so GW stops supporting it>GW decides to try a fantasy reboot/sequel series with AoS, it actually sells and starts doing well>WHFB gets more interest in it due to AoS and TWW3, so GW brings it back as TOW>instead of maintaining multiple model lines for beastmen, GW just sends it to TOWif anything, it feels more like AoS is one of the only reasons TOW is getting new players besides TWW3.
>>96786930I find the comfiest lgs' tend to be one's where people aren't taking things overly seriously on the game front and the painting side. It's nice to have big hobby stores with everything you need but it also tends to attract the biggest crowds which leads to more annoying people
>>96786988>space marines look way more like toys than stormcast do imo.insane take
so were getting raided again eh?did old world get a release or something? what triggered it this time?
>>96786988They're trying to see if they can use their mainline game (aos) more popular via shifting things around. They did the same thing with heresy when they took all the forgeworld stuff out of 40k
>>96786988its gonna be funny to watch them learn all over again why no one wanted to buy warhammer fantasy 20 years ago
>>96786997Chorfs got a new wave on prerelease so it's whining time
>>96786992they have wider proportions and their helmets make them look more like bugs with big eyes compared to the more normal face storm cast helms, I don't know how you don't see that. >>96787007never played it personally, but at a bare minimum it seems like a mistake to have brought it back if they were going to half ass it and not update most of the ancient models. 2 new factions doesn't save it.
>>96787021>>96787021>>96787021No arguing in the new thread.
>>96786997When they get new stuff, they cry and seethe. When they dont get new stuff, they cry and seethe. When others get new stuff, they cry and seethe. Just a pack of retarded faggots with their asses broken and bleeding.
