>You've been posting on /tg/ for 15 years, yet you've never played a tabletop game. You buy every book they release but never even tried to find a group to play with. You spend hours watching lore vids and asking questions about them and I'm wondering why does a person that never plays tabletop games is interested in them
>>96787535that hit too close to home
>>96787535This is why we NEED more solo campaigns.
>>96787535Huh? I hosted a Kill Team tournament today and I'm playing Legions Imperialis tomorrow. You gotta get out of your house and do stuff anons. Gaming is not a spectator sport.
>>96787562I genuinely cannot imagine how this could hit close to home for anyone. I've been playing RPGs for ten years and I spent maybe 50€ total on this hobby. Why do you buy all these books?
>>96787659I wasn't talking about buying books part...
>>96787662Then just play some games? How do you manage to obsess over a hobby you do not actively partake in? Call your friends, meet up and plan a session. Bam, done.
>>96787535Just play a game OP
>>96787659Maybe you don't play GURPS
>>96787535Nice try, anon. I'm working on my backlog for Gaslands. It just takes a bit, is all. I'll prime the next one tomorrow, you'll see. Unless something comes up...
>>96787678NTA but you underestimate how many people don’t have friends to play with
>>96787685I have a bunch of pdfs on my harddrive. I just pirate everything I'm interested in.
>>96787535I don't buy any books
>>96787535>You've been posting on /tg/ for 15 years,Yes.>yet you've never played a tabletop game. You buy every book they release but never even tried to find a group to play with. You spend hours watching lore vids and asking questions about them and I'm wondering why does a person that never plays tabletop games is interested in themNo, I have no interest in traditional games.
>>96787789That's even more pathetic.
>>96787564>This is why we need even less attempt at playingHuh?
>>96787691Then make an ad.Or check local ads.I live in a rural backwater in Polish highlands. My village has a population of 350 people, given or taken few people.I still have a group to play with and the effort of the entire pack to meet together and play is part of what both makes it so fun and keeps the group going.So what's your excuse, other than "I didn't even try"?
>>96787659>I genuinely cannot imagine how this could hit close to home for anyone.Same.>>96787691But how do you even develop this obsession if you're not gaming? Surely you'd move on to something you can actually get involved in rather than waste mental bandwidth obsessing about a hobby you're not participating in?
>>96787685Maybe you are utterly clueless about how this hobby works and how people barely buy anything in the first place if they aren't into minisDid you somehow missed the past 20 or so years of technological development, too, where everything moved both online and into electronic format, so getting a book for 15 seconds of your effort of searching costs you the amount of electricity your device used for those 15 seconds? Or you're simply so fucking out of the loop, you are imagining anyone collecting, or even weirder, buying physical copies of rulebooks for any other reasons than sentimental ones
>>96787535I'm not American so I don't do that.
Yeah. Paint a lot of minis, though, so there's that.
>>96787535what if i dont pay for them or spend hours watching vids about them, but i just get them from the pdf thread and occasionally read them and discuss them on tg?>>96788059i have a simple excuse. I tried to get my friends into it, but they just prefer card games and board games instead and i dont wanna play and socialise with randos so i just solo some stuff occasionally and maybe worldbuild a little when i feel inspired by a system
>>96788764>Translation: I actually don't want to play TTRPGs myselfFair
>>96788059talking to people is utterly dreadful
>>96788764There are a lot of card games that work to get people into boardgames and other /tg/ from there. They're light fun usually like Coup or Skull, but those aren't far from fantastical board games. Might be worth investigating your local public library to see if they have a tabletop game group.
>>96787535An interest is an interest, and you can participate in a hobby in more than one way.That said, playing games is so fucking fun, I wish everybody was as lucky as I am to have a stable group that just fell on their lap our of nowhere.Granted that I spent the first 29 years of my life not having a /tg/ hobby, but still.At this point, my obsession with TTRPGs and boardgames has overtaken my desire to play videogames by a good margin.
>>96787535>and I'm wondering why does a person that never plays tabletop games is interested in themMost ttrpg books and models are based on speculative fun light daydreams rather than anything substantial. Most of the substance mechanically sucks. Production and sales have never required it to be played and this has become less and less of a concern over the last decade of kickstarter, social media marketing, hobby as lifestyle politics, etc. That ontop of it already being a hobby oriented towards the less social, bookish types. Hobbies in general really. Its a consumer luxury good like a motorcycle or shoes. People buy them to have an idea they like attached to objects and only sort of use them.
<I'm looking for lore related answers.>With AI slop threads?<Yeah, I'm kind of working on a theory.>You forget we are in a fucking roleplay games board? We love theories. Come on, spin me a story, nogames.<All right, you got me. I was really wondering how people treat futa mushroom girls in their setti-
>>96787828yeah, he's a terminally online culture war cuck.
>>96787535Can't relate. I ran a game yesterday, played in a different one two days before that, and have another game later tonight. Skill issue, nogames.
>>96787535>lore videosWhat fucking games are you buying where you need someone to handhold you through the lore? Are you not reading the books you buy? Or are you such a fucking nogames retard that you think every system has lore that you need explained to you?
>>96787535Sorry your life turned out this way, anon. Some other loser made a gamefinder thread and bumped it for about a week with almost no replies, maybe you can get in on it next time.
>>96787535I've read all the 3.5 supplements and dozens of the Dragon mags, never roleplayed before. Find roleplaying unbelievably cringe, and from what I've seen most people are interested in "roleplaying" rather than the mechanics behind it, which would drive me nuts besides.
>>96788059Make an ad where? I really want to play tabletop but haven’t had a group since I moved to my new city 5 years ago. And it’s 1million+ population city so not a tiny dump. Can’t find a groupI want an in-person group (not online) but every D&D group is full of pansexual tieflings played by FtM troons. I like combat and OSR and dungeon crawls, some puzzles, some investigations, boss fights, etc. But the only groups I can find are completely uninterested in any combat and just want to have gay erp with the tavern owner for 4 sessions straight and then maybe 1 easy combat encounter with zero difficulty, then back to more gay erp. It’s very tiresome.Hobby shops only host Warhammer or TCG tournaments. Reddit subs are dead. Same for FB or any social media. Where do I find a chill group to roll dice with and do quests? I miss my old group…
>>96791018I'm glad people like you are being pushed out of the hobby.
>>96791268Nonsensical statement, you don’t know me
>>96787535I recently had a “what am I doing with my life crisis” and I can’t even enjoy the miniature painting hobby now. I feel like all the books and miniatures and hobby supplies I bought were a waste.And quite frankly I can’t bring myself to show myself at the game store too.
>>96791010>loser who indulges a hobby without ever engaging int he hobby thinks he's somehow better than people who actually hobby and have funYou could at least do solo play or something. Jesus fucking Christ you're pathetic because you're so worried about being cringe that you became something worse than the gayest theater kid.
>>96787535No way the board is that old, right?I only begun coming here when I got into dungeons and dragons last year, I loved the movie.
>>96789310>At this point, my obsession with TTRPGs and boardgames has overtaken my desire to play videogames by a good margin.Based, but if you can... give a try to BG3
>>96787535Play games anonsPlay games without tumblrinas who failed out of their acting troupe. This was friday and we've got two more interested guys for more narrative giant stompy robot fights
>>96791804hobby isn't a verb.
>>96791010why do you play roleplaying games if you're not interested in roleplaying?
>>96791018>Make an ad where?>He asked, while using internet browser>>96791268I don't think you can push out someone who was never in
>>96792255This is an unironic question that a LOT of people should be asking themselves.Covid was great. It allowed so many asshats to realise they never liked this hobby in the first place and move on, never to return
>>967923991) I played tabletop for several years before moving to a new city where I now cannot find a group2) >just…le use the le internet bro!Did you miss the part where I stated that discord, facebook, reddit, etc are all dead for tabletop in my city? Where on the internet fo you want me to put an ad, fucking Craigslist?
>>96792255>>96792419>why do you play roleplaying games if you're not interested in roleplaying?I genuinely wonder why a lot of people show any interest in RPGs when they hate roleplaying, they hate socializing, they hate other people, they don't want there to be any story, they don't want anything but mudcore, heavily proceduralized dungeon crawling, etc etcIt just comes off as a bunch of fucking nogames poseurs pretending that they really care about "real roleplaying games" according to their vague twitter-brainrot interpretation of the hobby. They've never played anything. They just know to be angry about theater kids and gay tieflings and all the surface level culture war shit.
>>96791010why not try a solo session? just roll up a PC and have fight a goblin. Jesushow can you even debate mechanics without actually testing them out?
this does not describe me. i play way too many games. too much of my life involves tabletop gaming. i really need to pull back a bit
>>96792474>Howie is so fucking retarded, he can't grasp the basic concept of making ads for actual tabletop games via onlineNigga, there is pretending being stupid for the sake of (You)s, and then there is having actual room temperature IQ
it's hard to find a gaming group because gamers are insufferable morons with huge personality flaws. the trick is to just convert your work friends and family members to boardgamers and then slowly introduce miniatures and custom scenarios.do you want to spend 3 hours of your weekend with smelly strangers who want to win at all costs? or enjoy that time with your real friends and family but also do your hobby together? i play d&d 3rd ed with 5 girls from the stripclub i used to work at and we have a lot of fun, the bartender roleplays as an alchemist and we're on her final arc of ingredients for her elixir quest, we have two barbarians who always fight over loot and clothes we find; they strength dumped just to carry more gear, our cleric is a nurse now so she insists on doing her trauma care roleplay and our mage is a single mom so her kids are typically there in the background acting as her familiars and doing naughty things which we write into the game. most people want to relax when doing their hobbies not argue about rules or be passive aggressive. i compare my current group now to the one i had in high school and i can see night and day differences between antisocial wierdos with god complex justifications for their negative behavior and regular people who are just trying to blow off some steam.>play with ur frens
>>96787535why did you post a webm of a zesty-ass niggaAlso I literally played a session of Dungeon Fantasy RPG yesterday.Even had a character death. The dwarf berserker got grabbed by a stone golem and punched in the head repeatedly until he died, while the rest of the party was too far away to help.It was pretty great.
My only social interaction is posting on 4chan but at the same time I don't want to play with other channers so I just read the books...
>>96792917Idk who Howie is. If it’s your boyfriend, that ain’t meSStill haven’t answered my question btw. Because you can’t. So you resort to doing this kindergarten trick>heh, I know the answer but I won’t tell you. lol you’re so stupid for not knowing haha unlike me who definitely knows. But I won’t tell because uhhh just because. But trust me I definitely know an answer I just choose not to say itYea how about you stfu you greasy nigger
>>96793037>Being genuinely too retarded to make an ad online, but throwing a fit anywaySure is Howie
>>96792957>Just play with somes strippers, anon!
>>96787562I came here specifically to say that I doubted a person like that actually existed. My sympathies, anon.
I tried to get into historicals only to be met with the realization that nobody in my area wants to play anything than MTG or 40k
>>96794885ZAK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>96793455Name a website where I should post an ad to join/create a dnd group in my city. Name 1 website and you win this argument, yet curiously you keep avoiding it.As I already explained, FB, reddit and discord are all dead for my city. Where do I post my ad to reach the relevant people? This is your last chance to answer a real website or I win the argument and you automatically concede. No strawmans, no repeating a vague "just post an ad", no spergout. Name a WEBSITE or you admit defeat
>>96793014Well in a couple years once AI gets good enough, human players will not be needed anymore.
>>96795245So we can all play tabletop games without actually playing tabletop games?
>>96787535because RPGs are a toy for my imagination. I don't need useless socialization.
15 years ago I was a nogames pussy fruitlessly trying to wrangle my school friends into playing CoC but today I play no-nonsense sandbox B/X just about every week with some great friends. WAGMI
play daggerheart
>>96794912Got anything going on at the local library or community college?
>>96787535Stop stalking me cunt.
>>96787678What fucking friends? Nobody I know irl has even a passing interest in this nerd shit. The only people who care about this stuff I ever talk to are on the internet.
>>96799224Well get nerd friends then. Why the fuck do you not have nerd friends?
>>96799224Anon i play with my irl friends on discord, one of them doesn't even in the same country as me and the other 2 friends that also play.You only need to find anyone online who can speak the same language as you and play with them.
>>96791018>want an in-person group (not online) but every D&D group is full of pansexual tieflings played by FtM troonsThese "people" don't exist IRL. I've literally never seen one. They're confined to the darkest parts of the internet and it's better this way.
>>96787535Come to /qst/, anon. It's what we made it for: anonymous, low-presssure participation in ingoing RPG-like adventures.
>>96791018Woe is you, I guess. If you can't find a single conservative fantasy fan ir gamer in a million people, I really feel like you aren't looking.
>>96799695I don't know how to make friends, I am an a shy asocial sperg that only has a friend circle due to drinking way too much during my university days, and literally none of those people give a fuck about this nerd shit.
>>96787535I play Ludo with my mom.
I played in a session of PF1e today, why does this thread exist
>>96787535>You've been posting on /tg/ for 15 years,Shorter than that.> yet you've never played a tabletop game.I don't really play anymore, but I used to.>You buy every book they releaseI only bought three d&d 3.5e books (player, gm, bestiary) back when I started playing, and once we bought an adventure book for warhammer for our gm.>but never even tried to find a group to play with.I tried, but I ended up playing other systems,> You spend hours watching lore vidsNowadays not so much, and I mostly listened to them without watching.> and asking questions about themNo>and I'm wondering why does a person that never plays tabletop games is interested in themFor me it's partly nostalgia, partly thoughts that maybe I'll get back to it someday when I have more time, partly just interest in the worldbuilding.
>>96787535I have played games but nobody IRL wants to play with me, they all want to play 5e or pathfinder 2e or some even more narrativist systems.
>>96787535>>You've been posting on /tg/ for 15 years, yet you've never played a tabletop game.I was with you until you got to the no-games part. Unironically evict yourself from this place; games are the best thing in the world and the main reason to come to /tg/.
>>96793455I've never understood the point the author was trying to make with this.
my irl friends say they will play a gamei ask them to read and learn the rulesthey do not soafter 5 sessions of stumboing around and having to remind them of the most basic rules, i get frustrated that all the work im putting in is not matchedthe cycle repeats
>>96815979>i ask them to read and learn the rules>they do not soyou've failed them by trusting them to be intelligent enough to digest a ruleset before playing it
>>96791388Adult Fans of Lego sometimes go through a phase where they shelve their Legos and don't engage in the hobbies due to life stuff. I think the term is called "The dark ages" before they pick up the hobby again. You're probably going through that.
I lurk here occasionally and am always disappointed there's no Vegas general for gambling games. Not to gamble, but for the games themselves.But then again, there's not much to talk about besides WSOP and the like.
>>96815979Other guy is right; I have same problem; here is how I resolve it.I break down the system in my head to make sure I fully understand it first.Then at every opportunity I demonstrate the core mechanic, taking care to point it out.This works best with systems that have solid core mechanics with few exceptions, so pick something simple; for an absolute normalfag you might try something like Rangers of Shadowdeep.Assume zero prior knowledge, and be prepared to hand-hold.Nobody said cultivating a gaming circle from scratch was easy.
>>96815962Some people are so functionally incapable that they need to be told/shown/educated literally everything. Without this, because they have no imagination, they cannot conceive any sort of plan to attempt any given action or concept without having already been given a solution as to how to proceed. Instead, despite being offered the chance to 'do the thing' they will instead do nothing because there is nothing there. They are soulless husks of human beings and would be better served by removing their humanity and have them work their days as servitors. I wish I was kidding. I have worked with these people. It is not a case of 'I don't understand' and more of a case of 'I cannot perceive a solution to this, and therefore will attempt nothing.' What's worse is that they will often bemoan their situation to everyone when solutions are staring them right in the face. They find themselves ostracized from social interactions (which just makes them worse) because they wallow in self pity and cannot understand that they are the ones with the problem. They are totally afraid of learning anything new because to do so would be to show a break, a chink in the armor of 'woe is me, the world is to hard and it isn't fair' because being personally responsible for your own strengths and failings is alien to them.I hate them. So very much.
>>96787535>The idiot doesn't know how to use the meme correctly
>>96787659I pirate pdfs of games I'm curious about and buy books of games I like to support them
>>96819326That makes sense. I can kind of relate to being scared of attempting new things without first being shown they're possible and given some instruction, but that's more of an anxiety disorder thing and something that can absolutely be worked through.I wasn't sure if the comic was supposed to be on Howie's side or not. Maybe I'm just retarded.
>>96788067I'm not broke anymore so I buy shit instead of torrentingAnd I play in person more than I used to and physical books are much easier to pass around for referenceYou're probably a German because being a gigantic cheapskate is like the German national sport
>>96820961IIRC, Howie is a meme from /ic/, about the "husks" that instead of actually practicing their art, doing fundamentals, ask "but how do I do it?" over and over again.
>>96787535literally just play a game online at this point. you dont NEED irl friends for this hobby.
>>96787535Hey, I've played TWICE!
>>96790941The World of Darkness has two decades worth of books, spread across multiple editions and revisions.
>>96793455He's just like me...
>>96795245Whatever happened to A.I. Dungeon?
>>96799814But that board is dead ever since it got quarantined away from /tg/.
>>96793455>>96815962>>96819326>>96820961Howie is legitimately in the right. You can ask why he'd want to pet a dog when he doesn't seem to have ever seen it occur, or wonder how far he got this far in life without basic motor control, but the woman does not give him useful instructions for petting a dog, merely repeating that he should "just pet it" when clearly his problem is that he doesn't understand the process itself, not merely that he is incompetent at it. If the wavering fingers in second panel of the woman bumping his hand against the dog is meant to imply movement then he is even trying to experiment with different motions. He really is trying to pet the dog, even if his knowledge is extremely lacking, and when he fails they just get mad at him for not already knowing how.
>>96791010Hi Edna.
>>96792541These people would be better off playing the original Diablo or something. Vidya is the solution to all their problems, I dunno why they insist on having to play tabletop.
>>96830017Nerd cred. These people are social parasites for whom everything is a performatic act to make themselves look better than they are.
>>96792541>mudcore, heavily proceduralized dungeon crawling, etc etcBecause as far as 'modes' of RPG's this is one that of the original and it works well. It's a bit like saying 'Why do people like Roguelike's don't they know there's skyrim?'>>96830017>original diabloYou mean that thing that basically created the Action RPG genre whole cloth? Im sure there is lots of overlap between people who like TTRPG and Original Diablo. >Vidya is the solutionYeah, Skyrim is obviously the same thing. >I don't understandThat much is obvious. >>96830638>Social ParasitesYes these awkward autistic people are sociopathic liars engineering RPG groups for 'Nerd Cred'. Bit of a magic lantern moment there.
>>96791010I am kinda the same anon, don't worry about these replies. I find most "roleplaying" generally distasteful, boring and selfish. I find the concept of limelight or "turn-taking" in RP antithetical to my idea of fun with RPGs.Everyone wants to act out dialogue and it's very theatrical and annoying. I find it is best kept to a minimum and only works well as window dressing and moving the story forward. I am more than happy for my players to either describe dialogue or voice act it, but I don't entertain players who want to have real-time conversations with barmen like it's a videogame or film.
>>96815962It reminds me of autism and dealing with retards like >>96819326
>>96815979What systems?I am like that, with all the will in the world I can't learn crunchy systems. I have to have someone show me. If I am for some reason running a crunchy game, I have a player learn the rules for me and I learn through them as we play.I tend to only GM lite games and I still don't expect my players to learn them but at least they can look at it for reference without having their head blow up.If I was to guess, your friends are clearly not as interested as you, and you're being an idiot about it.Honestly just run rules that are easy and simple to teach and remember.
>>96792541>they don't want anything but mudcore, heavily proceduralized dungeon crawlingWhy is this a bad thing? If you want to play a gay romance and be the center of attention that's on you, but dungeon crawling and low fantasy were there at the beginning of the hobby.
>>96787535Honestly, I did go through a hiatus after a shitty experience playing RPGs. So yeah, I'm the no-games kind of guy who likes RPG theory but doesn't actually put that into practice.The kind of systems and themes I like to play do not coincide with those of the majority (even more so if you're playing in Spanish, which was the overwhelming majority of my games). I came up with my own ,very rules-lite, system and even though everybody who played understood and liked it, most people were hesitant to try something they didn't know. After all I am some random guy. Why trust me over a long-established franchise everybody is playing? I take full responsibility for that.However, when I did play other, more popular systems, there was little to no attendance. But when, out of frustration, I posted a poorly written 5e lfg ad (with major spelling mistakes, lots of "xD" and " :3 " faces and implications of "pervert" furry characters) lots of people did apply. It wasn't a me-having-a-bad-reputation situation then. People were ok playing that crap. People found it more interesting.While I do concede that I don't appeal to the majority and could work more on learning mainstream systems (which I'm trying to do), most of those players are shit. Freakshitters, marvel humor, uncreative, uncultured, flaky, underaged, anime profile pic, that guy who played shaggy on CoC and a feudal Japan game and got kicked out. Most players lay back and expect the master to teach them the system, work everything out for them, make sure they're comfortable and entertained, come up with ambience and plot hooks that integrate their far-fetched backstories, What do they offer in return? Well, nothing much.Feel free to roast me if you will.
>>96819326Wonderful explanation. I teach art and you get these kind of people regularly. Their weakness becomes excuse for inaction.
>>96831204>>96830693Because if they wanted that, they'd play that. But they are nogames and poseurs, meaning they are repeating the opinion they think good-opinion-having RPG hobbyists are supposed to have. "Real" gamers only play serious dungeon crawls. Like someone who doesn't really have any knowledge about booze insisting that, if they were to order a drink, they'd only drink finely aged top shelf whiskey. They don't even know if they like Whiskey.It's not about history or tradition or what works best. It's not even about what they enjoy. It's about signalling that they believe that (if they were to actually play) that they'd be one of the truly cool kids who understands that mudcore dungeon crawling is the true and best and most refined way to enjoy things.
>>96819326I wonder if people become this way because they missed some key developmental milestones, or if they were always doomed to be this way. I know that at some point, I developed a sort of intuition for problem solving that is, at minimum, expressed as understanding that when something isn't immediately understandable that it can be understood with some effort, and even if I couldn't fully grasp something immediately, that slightly more effort and practice would get me there.A life without any intuition at all must be hell.
