If we're using the most brutal realistic physics possible, shouldn't a fast guy (9-A to High 8-C) neg diff any DND?>DM: You see the fast guy, what do you do?>Fighter: I slash him!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Rogue: I stab him!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Barbarian: I rage!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Wizard: I fireball him!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Paladin: I smite him!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Cleric: I heal!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Ranger: I shoot him!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Bard: I sing!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Druid: I turn into a owlbear!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Monk: I punch him!>DM: He's so fast. Before you can do anything, his axe's e=mc2 velocity slices your brain stem sideways. Please enter decorticate posturing.>Everyone at once: WTF we just got speed blitzed! You're a bad DM!>DM: Just giving you the facts.
>>96788062... ok?Also>brutal realistic physics>DnD
>>96788062>the most brutal realistic physics possibleFast guy goes to move fast, the friction of air rips off his skin in layers, he cant see anything because he's moving faster than his eyes can process light, and he embedds himself into the first solid thing he blindly runs into
This board should just be closed at this point.
Pun-Pun no diffs a fast guy with NSJD and arbitrarily high initiative.
Is this DND or your custom rules-lite system that cuts away all the bloat of 5th edition by removing any troublesome player agency and the dm can just skip directly to narrating their sweaty gay fanfiction?
>>96788062>DNDHow does his move speed affect his attacks? He'd get a small bonus for a charge and would have purchased a feat to be able to move before and after attacking. To charge, you can move up to twice your speed in the round that you attack. The fast guy probably has a few feats and class abilities for speed, effectively doubling his movement. He likely has boots of speed too, making his speed 90 ft per round. Let's be generous and give him a move of 120 ft (the speed of a quickling). His charge would allow him to move 240 ft per round (6 seconds) in combat, giving him a speed of about 27 mph. Plus the PCs could just ready an attack to hit him as soon as he comes within range.
>>96788062>9-A to High 8-CHuh?>neg diffWhat?
>>96788062>brutal realistic physicsOkay, sure. We can->dndConsider suicide. Please.
>>96788266Power scaler jargon used in such debates as "can Goku beat Superman?" and "can Shaggy from Scooby-Doo take on a Space Marine?">9-A to High 8-CPower-scaling tiers. 9-A is "small building" level (able to destroy small buildings such as average suburban houses) and 9-C is "medium building" level (able to destroy medium buildings such as factories and supermarkets).Source: https://psbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System>neg diffShort for "Negative Difficulty", implying that the fight is so easy for one side that it is even easier than zero difficulty.
>>96788404Not sure if I should thank you for the clear answer or curse you for exposing me to such radioactive autism. Guess we'll call it even.
>>96788404If the topic is about a speedster, why aren't the speed tiers being addressed? It would be more apt for the thread than the power-scaling tiers.
>>96788062>brutal realistic physics possiblehe bursts into flames from air friction
I cast Time Stop and shove an Immovable Rod up his ass.
>>96788404https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Basilisk_(Dungeons_and_Dragons)https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mr._Bambu/D%26D_Calc:_Dodging_Actual_Lighthttps://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dragonstitch/D%26D_4e:_Light_DodgingRemember that in VSBattles, all D&D characters, even a lowly basilisk, have FTL speed with FTL+ reactions simply because they can "dodge light."
>>96789024This is matpat-tier "following video game logic when it supports my theory, then suddenly switching to real-world physics" retardation. Righteous Aura never mentions the explosion being light, and Positive Energy is already established as a separate concept in the lore. For Anger of the Noonday Sun and Moonfire, I assume that they last longer than instantly (possibly the entire rest of your turn), and that you don't dodge individual photons, your save determines how early you get into a covered position during the sub-6 second duration of the spell. Also, VSBattles can't be trusted to understand light in fiction, they claimed that bolts/beams of light that can be dodged using player dexterity are light speed. Similarly, they constantly pretend to not understand what a muzzle dodge is.Example: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Cyberblader9/Light_Speed_Zelda_(BOTW/AOC)
>>96788062You are not sure to win if your speed is superior
>>96788062>>96788404>>96789024I'll have you know, I'm currently calling on phone the most autistic, THAT GUY rules lawyer faggot I ever had in my game, because when I was kicking his retarded ass out of my group, I promised to publicly apologize to him in front of all my players and relatives if I ever found a more repulsive human being.And apparently there's a whole fucking fandom of them.
>>96789522Literally nobody and none of those pages said anything about Righteous Aura. You're lying.
>>96788062
>>96789762Did you click the links?
>>96789762Also, nice job pretending to go blind the moment you read the phrase "muzzle dodge".
>>96789024You don't need to be faster than something to dodge it unless the distance you have to move in order to dodge is greater or equal to the amount of distance the thing has to travel to hit you. The feat of dodging light would really be the fact you can somehow "see" light before it hits you and then react.
If the topic is about a speedster, why aren't the speed tiers being addressed? It would be more apt for the thread than the power-scaling tiers.
>>96788062He rolled a 0 on his initiative, so I'm currently assraping since he failed his grapple.
>>96788062>shouldn't a fast guy (9-A to High 8-C)This is fucking nonsense.
>>96788062Before we begin this, I want to just preface something. Powerscaling is retarded. The stupid terminology you faggots have made up is extra retarded. You've turned an argument for children ("Who would win, Goku or Superman?") and tried to make it into something that pantomimes at being a science.>If we're using the most brutal realistic physics possible, shouldn't a fast guy (9-A to High 8-C) neg diff any DND?Okay. We apply brutally realistic physics. Your speedster suddenly has to deal with friction. Congrats. You beat your own ass due to forgetting that air creates friction.
No because that's retarded and unfun. the point of the game is to have fun not randomly kill your players(if you had any lmao nogames nosocialskills nolife) to feel smug like a toddler breaking his sister's barbies
>>96788062Tarrasque doesn't care and he embeds himself inside its flesh like a bullet and dies crushed by the regenerating flesh
>>96789724Good on you for keeping your word, Anon.
>>96788062With the most brutal, realistic physics possible he does exactly one of those things and then breaks every bone in his body. His power is speed, not invulnerability, so newtons third law fucks him royally.
>>96789024>https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Elephant_(Dungeons_and_Dragons)>https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sperm_Whale_(Dungeons_and_Dragons)notice how the wiki users chose to upscale every single animal in the setting to absurd levels rather than admiting their scaling is flawed
>>96792720>Elephant>Lifting Strike: Class M>Class M means lifting the largest ships>Elephants can lift a blue whaleThe worst part is they cite the 5e Monster Manual. And 5e's encumbrance rules are pretty clear. Your max lift is 30 x your Strength score, doubled for Large creatures, and doubled again for Huge creatures. That means an Elephent with 22 Strength can lift 2640 pounds, or a bit over a metric ton. No wonder the scaling is flawed if they don't even bother to fact check people. Somebody on the Stone Golem page will say that lifting a large boulder is a show of Class M strength, and then everyone just accepts that and starts scaling everything else off of that faulty premise.
>>96792860I was thereit basically went like this>use 3.5e rules for lifting capability>use values when dragging rather than lifting>shift to 5e>5e treats lifitng and dragging no different>hence, dragging and lifting is the samethis happened before they found out about the stone golem rolling the boulder, although even yet, they do not take size into account for that deed, which means that whoever has a strength score higher than the stone golem's, can automatically lift as much, even if they are smaller
>>96788062It doesn't matter what a guy's movement speed is, it doesn't make him throw any more attack dice
>>96792924I just read through the boulder explanation and it's more retarded than I thought.There's even an obvious counter example within the very same dungeon, where a Large creature with 23 Strength is necessary to open a 30-foot tall granite door. That's far smaller than the boulder, and yet RAW the stone golem wouldn't be able to open it because it only has 22 Strength.So either a 30-foot slab of granite weighs more than the 40-foot ball of granite, or there's something special about the ball of granite that allows the golem to push it.It just seems like all of this scaling falls apart as soon as you treat outliers as actual outliers rather than using them as proof that everything else in the universe is orders of magnitude stronger.
>>96793076>It just seems like all of this scaling falls apart as soon as you treat outliers as actual outliersthe boundary between gameplay and outliers is thin and will be played around out of conveniencegameplay suggests a feat is good? let's use itgameplay suggest a feat is bad? nah, that gameplay, budalso, people don't read novels (and I don't think they plan to), which means they ignoring explicit displays of what real characters can do
>>96788223Fast guy is insanely fast he moves 9,999,999 ft per round and his melee damage scales with how far he's moved during his turn
>>96793270Show me the rule, Steve
OP's a retard, but I'm surprised nobody called him out on using the e=mc2 formula, which has nothing to do with velocity and is completely irrelevant to whatever stupid thing he's trying to do.
>>96793462He's a powerscaling obsessed redditor. What do you expect? He thinks e=mc^2 means "light speed"
>>96788062>Timestops>Casts instant death that bypasses all defenses and saving throws
>>96788724Because powerscalers aren't just autistic. They're also retarded
>>96793230And that's why I can never take powerscalers seriously. They'll cite physics right up until it contradicts their conclusion, at which point they say "it's not real life", but then ignore the opposite.You'll have a character get hit by an arrow and then dodge magical lightning, and rather than conclude the fictional lightning is slower because it's not real life, they'll say the arrow is FTL.
>>96788062Which is why speed like that doesn't exist in D&D. In some systems it does.
>>96788404>can Shaggy from Scooby-Doo take on a Space MarineHe'd dress as a barber and cut the space marine's hair
>>96788062Just like the peasant railgun this falls apart because youre chosing when game mechanics take over. Game mechanics are always on effect. Represent with game mechanics this man's speed & ability. Then I'll tell you how to counter him
>>96793270Cool, he still triggers an attack of opportunity & i stab him dead before he hits me
>>96788062>wizard>fireball>on the guy who auto-wins reflex saves >with evasion...I mean. Ok, I guess... if you can justify the wizard having negative intelligence, because by RAW an int high enough to cast fireball auto-succeeds on the check to know that a fireball won't work.So if you're going for "realism", the wizard casts literally anything that auto-kills the speedster. Like Sleep or Charm or Hold or something. All of those are possible by the time he can cast fireball. And for the record, Slow is the same spell level as fireball.Or he could go for Fortitude saves and cast Blind. Good luck with that E=mc^2 bullshit, kiddo, hope you can navigate your environment at relativistic velocities while blind... What happens to a speedster when he impacts a wall at 99.999999999% of the speed of light?The same thing that happens to everything else.
>>96794268He can do what I do, 20 eternal wands of Fel Drain Hail of Stone held by 20 Messenger Homunculi all prepped to cast at anything that might be a threat
>>96793552He's gonna have a lot of fun when he realizes that the impactor is also affected by the collision. Because if he weren't, then he wouldn't be able to do any damage to anything... Literally. That's literally how the physics works. Ok, you can accelerate to light speed. Are you invincible? No? Ok, well, then I wouldn't do that if I were you.Hint for powerscaling redditors: at those speeds you would disintegrate within the first attosecond as you are torn apart by the air molecules impacting your body and causing nuclear fusion.
>>96788062Monk or any other unarmed fighter for that matter can literally stop any number of lightspeed shots if they are skilled enough, or even redirect them back at the attacker.
>>96789724Check to see if he's a DBfag first.
i just looked at the powerscaling wiki and apparently they think Aragorn is strong enough to blow up a mountain and faster than the speed of sound, and that Anduril is literally a DBZ weapon that can destroy up entire universes. how do you reach the point of writing this stuff down without realizing that it's completely retarded?
>>96794596The short answer is autism, but the longer answer is slightly more complex.These people have developed arguing over whether goku or superman would win in a fight into a full hobby. Their measuring sticks and methods of investigation are based entirely on rationalizing the differences between various forms of media that have no connective tissue in a form of perverse telephone; but furthermore the goal is always to definitively put one character over another, and so there is substantial incentive to escalate and inflate the power of an individual party over another.To be semi-topical; we come to the 'what level of wizard is gandalf' problem. The strongly rational will conclude accurately "who the fuck cares?" and move on, but if we entertain the notion of transfering his demonstrated skills, abilities and characteristics to tabletop we find he casts very little magic very sparsely; the most powerful magic he does that is directly correlated to a DnD spell is conjuring/summoning Daylight (which is even ambiguously magic, in another case he does something similar which is literally him just monologing about it being sunrise). Being an in setting Angel with possible racial abilities and adjustments is no small factor either.The problem then is, for the 'power scaling community' if I am charitable enough to call it that, is that the conclusion from this discussion would be "Since Gandalf is indicated to be somewhere near 6th or 9th level, that means Elminster is up to 5 times as powerful as a level 35 multiclass with 24 levels in Wizard alone".
>>96790694>Did you click the links?https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Basilisk_(Dungeons_and_Dragons)https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mr._Bambu/D%26D_Calc:_Dodging_Actual_Lighthttps://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dragonstitch/D%26D_4e:_Light_Dodgingctrl+f "righteous aura" pulls up nothing
>>96794277Fast guy is using an axe to pinpoint slice brain stems.Logically, he would suffer basically no impact.
Never would have thought, that a simple bait thread would give me a whole new group of people to laugh at. Thanks OP.
>>96794277>by the air molecules impacting your body and causing nuclear fusion.To be precise I don't think a body moving at near light speed through atmosphere would result in nuclear fusion. Destruction-wise the results would very much resemble it though.Also this thread wasn't a complete waste of bandwidth because your post made me look things up and I learned a new cool word: bremsstrahlung.
>>96794596https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aragorn>at most Small City level to Mountain level, likely far higher (Aragorn possesses a greater share of the Númenórean blessings than any named character for the past 2,000 years.[1][26][27] This should put him above lesser Númenóreans/Dúnedain such as Boromir the Steward, who is stated to have inspired fear in the Witch-King and is implied to have survived a duel with the Nazgûl.[1] The Unfinished Tales note that, had Aragorn been present during the attack of the Nine upon Sarn Ford, the Dúnedain might have been able to fend them off, implying his comparability to them. Further manuscripts of the "Hunt for the Ring" state the Witch-King feared Aragorn as a "great power"[28][29]).>At least Large Mountain level, possibly High Universe level with Andúril (Andúril is the reforged sword of Elendil, Narsil, which was used during the Last Alliance during a duel against Sauron, while the broken weapon would later be used to cut off the finger of the Dark Lord. Even after its reforging, the narration notes that the blade is just 'as deadly as of old', with Sauron still fearing the blade even after thousands of years have passed[6][3])>Speed: At least Subsonic (Should be superior to the likes of Gimli and Faramir[Statistics Values 2]), likely Supersonic+ to High Hypersonic (Fended off several Nazgûl at once[14])>Striking Strength: At least Wall level+, possibly Small Building level, at most Small City level to Mountain level, likely far higher. At least Large Mountain level, possibly High Universe level with Anduril>Durability: At least Wall level+, possibly Small Building level, at most Small City level to Mountain level, likely far higher (Emerged from the War of the Rings practically unscathed. Should be able to withstand the recoil of his own strikes). At least Large Mountain level, possibly High Universe level with Anduril (He can block or deflect attacks with the blade)Lore-accurate Aragorn...
>>96795359https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aragorn#Notable_MatchupsNaturally, in a 1v1 between Aragorn and Starscourge Radahn in the latter's own boss arena, the power scalers vote 7-2 in Aragorn's favor.
>>96794767Logically, he suffers the same fate as this baseball: https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
>>96795359This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. It's like the old stardestroyer.net taking old special effects purely literally and trying to calculate it, but even worse. Most of this is just pure assumption.
>>96795359>>96796208I also like the repeated usage of the phrasing "at most X, likely far higher," which completely defeats the point of saying "at most X" to begin with.
>>96794767Logically he dies before even starting to move. Since by D&D rules he would be from beyond the local multiverse and work on completely different natural laws. As in he would count as a Far Realm inhabitant. Most of which die upon being introduced to D&D multiverse. Some survive in a diminished capacity or degenerate into some aberrations. Occasionally you have motherfuckers who are skilled, smart or eldritch enough to find workarounds and then you get Mak Thuum Ngatha who uses a divine body as a skinsuit to act within D&D multiverse.
>>96788062>Contingency doesn't exist>Celerity doesn't exist>held actions (RAW) don't exist>Interrupts (RAW) don't exist>Attacks of Opportunity (RAW) don't exist>Time Stop doesn't exist>Precognition doesn't exist>AOE's bigger than his movement range don't exist>Battlefields inside with auto locking invulnerable doors don't exist.>FTL damage like an on death Gamma Ray Burst doesn't exist. >The goddamn 5e spell "Invulnerability" cast by a divination wizard 5 minutes before they encountered the speed faggot doesn't exist. You aren't smart or creative, you will never be a writer, you will never be white, you are brown, base, a bottom feeder, an animal, you are a midwit who thinks he is a genius, you are the bane of society, the eternal redditor "um ackshyually"'ing your way through life, don't bother replying you will purposefully misunderstand my post or fixate on one point and ignore criticism that would make a righteous man introspect, you are not capable of that.
>>96788062>Brutal physics and a lightspeed axeAnon, swinging an axe at that speed would literally unleash a horrifying ball of plasmized air that would obliterate everything within a one-mile radius instantly and the resulting sonic boom would render everyone in an even larger radius dead or deaf, assuming they weren't turned to ash by the flames.
>>96799309It doesn't have to be literally lightspeed...
>>96801005Then why posit this shit as a lightspeed attack, retard?
>>96801013>Then why posit this shit as a lightspeed attack, retard?clearly, this thread was made with the intent of mocking scalertards who think elephants can lift space shuttles, whales can move faster than blackbird aircrafts, and montaneers can parry nukes
>>96801005Even if an object is traveling at 1% of the speed of light, it would still vaporize itself from the friction.Even if you slow it down to where he's only moving at the speed of sound, he's going to break his wrist the first time he hits anything solid with that axe. OP's premise is just retarded no matter what way you look at it.
>>96793765Why can't arrows in a world of fantasy physics, often wielded by magical superhuman characters, be faster than real life?
>>96801728>oftenBut not always. Sometimes those arrows are shot by noodle-armed kobolds or barely trained commoners, and yet can still manage to hit a Rogue capable of dodging lightning magic anyway.If we assume that magical lightning is slower than real-life lightning, which is what makes it possible for so many creatures in D&D to avoid it, then we've made a single assumption.If we assume that lightning isn't slower, then we also have to assume that arrows are faster, that every creature in the world is faster, that the laws of sound and air resistance function differently so that arrows aren't creating sonic booms or burning up from friction, and that every object is more durable to explain why arrows aren't piercing through trees or other cover from their enhanced momentum, then we're making far more assumptions with many rippling effects.And all of it is built on the faulty premise that a world of fantasy physics can have all of these wild differences, but the speed of lightning is a multiversal constant. Better yet, explain to me why the scaling must start with the assumption that magical lightning is identical to real-life lightning, rather than starting with the assumption that the Horse statblock is identical to a real-life horse.
>>96793765Yeah, it's pretty funny to see the exact same work have a character dodge a fireball (calced by freeze-framing to be traveling at a gajillion miles an hour!) and then fail to grab their loved ones hand after running across the room before they fall, at a completely normal speed, and you're supposed to ignore the second part in favor of the first lol
>>96788062Any time a DND uses regular logic for how abilities work to take away player agency is usually lame as hell.
>>96801151It used far too much hyperspecific powerscalerfag terminology that other anons had to explain to clarify for regular fa/tg/uys to be a joke at the expense of powerscalerfags.
>>96788062Roll Super Speed versus Agility, Toughness, or a Defense Power.
>>96801902You do know that most fighting includes dodging the attacker not the attack? It's incredibly rare to actually dodge/parry attacks as they come, since even simple melee strikes are in most cases too fast to react to them. Most of fights above amateur level and schoolyard scraps are literally precog duels. Your typical boxer strike is twice-thrice faster than the humans can react, except a few genetic freaks.
>>96802995If you want go with that argument, then the fact that characters are dodging light or lightning magic doesn't matter at all, because what they're actually doing is reacting to the caster chanting and waving his staff around and trying to get out of the way before the spell actually goes off. Which then also supports exactly what I've been saying, which is that D&D characters aren't actually fast enough to split-second dodge something moving at the speed of real lightning, and that anyone trying to argue that a successful reflex save against a lightning bolt spell means that Elephants have lightspeed dodging capability is relying on a ridiculous pile of faulty assumptions.
>>96801151Where does it say mountaineers can parry nukes?
