Grimdark Warhammer 40k is dead. And not because of "woke". That's also bad, but another conversation. WH40k used to be grimdark and it no longer is. The entire point of the Imperium in 40k was that it's a crumbling house, rotten to it's very foundation, protected by a loose door, which only needed to be kicked in. That was it's grimdark charme.None of that is true in the current version of the lore. It's led by Primarchs, Space Marines are operating at Legion-level, technological innovation is happening again. Hope for a better future has been restored. If you explained the current state of the story to a newbie, he would not get a grimdark impression of the universe. It's not a tragic dark sci-fi universe. He would not think that. He would think it's capeshit, where the writers constantly asspull new things to save their heroes. You would have to go back to old lore about Hive cities being bad and stuff to try to convince newbies that the Warhammer 40k universe was grimdark. The Imperium even found a way to completely restore worlds eaten by Tyranids or destroyed by an Exterminatus, because their most famous tech priest Belisarius Cawl is the complete opposite of the faction he is supposed to represent, which regards technological innovation as heresy and interact with technology through religious rituals. He even uses the technology of aliens for his purposes.Once a culture is no longer able to bear tragedy, their works of fantasy and sci-fi degenerate into capeshit.
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>>96795013You shouldn’t have CUM here
>>96795024You are an unhinged stalker. I did not consent to you leaking my post history. Please do something else with your life and leave me alone.
>>96795013>He would think it's capeshitAn accurate observation.
>>96795013>Once a culture is no longer able to bear tragedy, their works of fantasy and sci-fi degenerate into capeshit.i have heard this before. but not on /tg/.
>>96795013Jup, primaris, gathering storm and the entire return of the primarchs both loyal and traitor did more damage than woke did.It turned the entirety of 40k into character driven and forgive my lack of a better word "marvel slop" where its all about super heroes 1vs1 fights.
>>96795035>I did not consent to you leaking my post history
>>96795013Ok. How did your last match of 40k go? What was the last mini you painted?
>>96795024It's for shit like this you are supposed to get new images.
>>96795111Can't afford to build and army or even find anyone who plays this stuff where I live so why the hell would I bother with the wargame?
>>96795191>doesn't playPottery
>>96795191>I'm nogamesAs I suspected.
>>96795183Or use filename randomizer
Warhammers was at its best when you had Imperial Guard units hiring Ork mercenaries to back them up in a fight against other Orks.Every step away from that made the setting more shit.
>>96795013None of your complaints are real though, at best they were vibes about the direction the franchise might have gone in back in 2017 with Gathering Storm and the Primaris release.
>>96795316Shh don't tell op that he has never played a game in his life.
>>96795013>Belisarius Cawl is the complete opposite of the faction he is supposed to represent,I can fault you for many things, but not this.Cawl is the asspull bullshit tool of 40K these days.
>>96795346What was the last thing Cawl actually invented?
>>96795013It stopped being "grimdark" when it stopped being a purely comedic backdrop for a miniatures game and instead a full-realised setting. The joke doesn't worjk if you stop to think for 5 minutes how the Imperium is actually functioning amid the non-stop grim darkness. When you write dozens of novels about how it is working you can't sustain a gag like that.
>>96795367>when it stopped being a purely comedicit was never purely comedic. It was a port of fantasy originally, but even then it wasn't purely comedic, it just had comedic elements.
>>96795013>badly written and emotionally inconsistent setting pivots between diablos ex machina and deus ex machina on a whimWow!
>>96795059>It turned the entirety of 40k into character driven and forgive my lack of a better word "marvel slop" where its all about super heroes 1vs1 fightsAs opposed to the oh so deep and engaging 40k where even the most obscure and unpopular Space Marine chapter had a million words of information about it on some wikipage and they conquered million man armies with 10-1000 marines? That more realistic non-capeslop 40k?
>>96795442Yes!
>>96795059>return of the primarchs...traitor The ones that had Epic models and were stated to be active in the Eye of Terror and the Warp? Those traitor Primarchs? Like Angron, who appeared in the 1st War for Armageddon back on the early 90s? IIRC Angron had rules before his official Daemon model but you just used a Blood Thrister instead. All that changed was that they got 40k scale models with the justification of the Great Rift helping them to manifest in real space more often.
>>96795013>The Imperium even found a way to completely restore worlds eaten by Tyranids or destroyed by an Exterminatus>Cawl offhandendly says these worlds COULD be restored, giving no proof.
>>96795013Oh no! Anyway...
>>96795024of course he's german
the same demented little freaks who pushed for this nu-40k faggotry are the same kind of people who love flooding the UK with rapey brownoids. they love destroying everything they see.
>>96795013>>96795346The return of the primarchs isn't a problem in and of itself. In fact, that could be used to drive home the grim darkness by causing the primarchs to degenerate to the level of the modern imperium by forced adherence to dogma for political reasons. The return of the people who forged the imperium should've been a hopeful event but their eventual and inevitable downfall just shows how futile their efforts are.The problem is cawl and cawl alone. GW's constant need to one-up itself, which is a problem for any narrative, is another thing entirely but in part enabled by cawl and the primarchs.
>>96795013>Grimdark Warhammer 40k isin the older versions (yes the rogue trader era as well) which we play in miniatures and rpg and the recent faggoty ones are ignored as toilet paper used by baboons.
>>96795442>That more realistic non-capeslop 40k?I dont understand what you mean with realistic but it would be more healthy for the hobby because it encourages/yourdudes/ more >>96795485Demon primarchs are less problematic than loyal ones but they also bring melodrama HH bullshit if combined with loyal ones, they also should be narrative only like all other named characters
>>96795013my brother in christ you can't possibly be trying to seriously talk about the "death of grimdark" while posting the fucking lord of the cum throne girl are you fucking stupid is this what every grimdark cuck is like
>>96795912The faggot does not even play or own miniatures what did you expect?
>>96795485Like you said epic models.It cheapens the game when they show up to fight some random ass Genestealer cult.The fact that this named monsters are not limited to special scenarios is the main issue with modern 40k.
>>96795649Why is this so true? I feel it in my soul.
>>96795013Not sure if bait but I shall bite.I agree there are too many Primarchs and space marines running around but we can't be stuck only playing Guardsmen (because mairnes should always be rare) for a century. Its natural they were included in the universe more since the threats keep growing and humanity needs to fight back.It would make sense humanity would beef up SM production and primarchs get involved more. Are you suggesting it always stay stagnant and the story move forward at a sluggish pace?
The story is moving forward sluggishly, but something has to happen. This is obviously building up to another tragedy.
>>96796576They are literally mirroring the hundred years after the fall of Rome (Great Rift) with Justinian (Guilliman) and Belisarius (Belisarius Cawl) retaking half the lost empire during the Justinian Wars (Indomitus Crusade) which was then lost to the Plague of Justinian (Plague Wars) and...the rise of Islam, which does not have a 40k-equivalent event yet.
>>96796417>It cheapens the game when they show up to fight some random ass Genestealer cult.its not some random ass genestealer cult, its /yourdudes/, and they are important enough to need a named character to try and stop them
>>96796629>and...the rise of Islam, which does not have a 40k-equivalent event yet.Tau are the closest analogue being from the Eastern part of the galaxy and being a growing Xeno State, though obviously they are more East Asian inspired in terms of vibes.
>long winded faggoty post about MUH WOKE IN WARHAMMER >coomer Didnt read beyond the first sentence. Kill yourself my man
>>96796687Nah, they are my dudes, I know they are not important enough for some fucking demon primarch to show up in every fucking battle.
>>96795035So you're admitting that the OP image is your avatar of a sorts?
when does stuff get put back in stock. seems random
>>96797107It makes up like less than 1% of my post history.>>96796836>you can't post a Succubus on a Fantasy Sci-Fi universe with rape demons, because ... you just can't, okay?
>>96796836>MUH WOKE IN WARHAMMERThat's the opposite of what he said.
Good. Grimdark was always a shit genre for retards and tryhards.
>>96795013Grimdark is "dead" in the same sense Sword and Sorcery is. Its core themes and what it originally used to be started to be "yucky" by the mainstream. So all the modern iterations are slowly changing into more palpable things.The genre is still alive and well, and in the hearts of its fans, it's just we're getting a lot of watered-down stuff.
>>96796629if only they were able to do it competentlyThe Islam equivalent is going to be a imperium splinter faction that will show how great and wholesome you can actually be without the racist fascist Terran imperium and they will follow what the god emperor REALLY intended the imperium to be
>>96795035Just stop using the image then anon. Whenever you use the same image people can track it. Pic related.
>>96795013Good. Grimdark is a shit, juvenile aesthetic for edgelords. And WH40k is literally gayer than fucking other men.
>>96796417>not limited to special scenariosremember when things like titansstompaswraithknightsbanebladesetcwere limited to Apocalypse rules (giant full planet conflicts with special rules/formations designed to use your entire miniature collection)instead of the base rules of the game.Same with the more powerful named characters. Plopping Guilliman down on the table in a normal 2000pts matched game will always be retarded.
>>96798387OK, I'm gonna rape you now.
>>96798834Don't think I'm very threatened, grimcuck.
>>96799009It's the only way.
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>>96795013I broadly agree with your point, strange German avatarfag anon. It loses something in trying to sanitize and normalize the dysfunction of 41st millennium humanity, and as a side-effect attracts a lot of weirdos who then annoyingly heresypost everywhere.
>>96795013Actually GW is bringing grimdark back with a vengeance considering how incredibly evil the Grey Knights and Black Templars are acting, despite recent lore that they were being much less cunty. You're getting what you want and still you have the temerity to complain, man.
